Snowflakes - mental problems

[Brillopad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/06/dont-call-us-snowflakes-damages-mental-health-say-young-people/

Apparently being called snowflakes damages the health of young people.

Maybe some suitable medicine would be some advice that it isn’t Advisable to dish it out if you can’t take it.

Problem solved.

[Vicky.]

I think the problem is genuinely that these people feel the need to insert their opinions into everything, but take anyone also asserting their own opinion as some kind of personal attack. So basically..I have a right to speak, but noone can answer back. If you do you are a big meanie :(

And sorry but 'snowflake' is entirely accurate for many of todays youth (and older people, but mainly youth)

[Toy Soldier]

And sorry but 'snowflake' is entirely accurate for many of todays youth (and older people, but mainly youth)

This comes back to the age-old issue, though: "Today's Youth" didn't spring up out of the ground like new potatoes. That only happens in Ireland. In the real world, each generation is raised by the last... and everything is a progression. Todays "Snowflakes" are a direct result of the expectations and entitlements of the post-war generations.

[Vicky.]

I don't think its how they were raised. I think its how Universities and such have gone in recent times. Yes some of the entitlement may come from how they were raised..but it seems to be once they hit Uni that they 'become' special snowflakes who cannot be criticized. I find the idea of 'safe spaces' in Unis to be ridiculous. Uni is meant to be where you learn about how the real world is, not where you cocoon yourself in among like minded people and thus never be criticized ever. Echo chambers are not good, and should not be encouraged.

[Vicky.]

My brother is currently at Uni and says its bloody ridiculous how so many behave. 'Oppression olympics' is used fairly often when he is ranting about stuff. I remember Unis to be somewhere where your opinions were regularly challenged, and this is good no? Now its...omg X has an opinion that I disagree with 'bigot!' *cry* 'where is my safe space'

[Shaun]

Any other wild generalisations Vicky :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I would say it's not an affliction of 'snowflakes' but those also who use those terms to describe others.

Have you tried to counter an opinion on anyone on an issue and met a wall of 'snowflake'! 'unpartriotic'! ' PC brigade'! ' leftie'!

No wonder it drives people mad, those terms are specifically designed to shut down debate.

[Vicky.]

Any other wild generalisations Vicky :laugh:

No thats all for today :laugh:

Obviously not all uni students are like that...indeed, my brother is not, nor are many of his friends who find it all just stupid. But apparently it is a significant minority (and a very loud group)

[Brillopad]

This comes back to the age-old issue, though: "Today's Youth" didn't spring up out of the ground like new potatoes. That only happens in Ireland. In the real world, each generation is raised by the last... and everything is a progression. Todays "Snowflakes" are a direct result of the expectations and entitlements of the post-war generations.

I think that’s a cop-out. It sounds like the old adage blame the mother whenever a child has problems.

Peer pressure is huge and once kids get to a certain age often takes over from parental influence. Youngsters are renowned for following the crowd and taking on board the opinions of others around them as fitting in is so important at that age. I think they should be allowed and expected to take responibility for their own decisions and actions, including any consequences.

[Brillopad]

I would say it's not an affliction of 'snowflakes' but those also who use those terms to describe others.

Have you tried to counter an opinion on anyone on an issue and met a wall of 'snowflake'! 'unpartriotic'! ' PC brigade'! ' leftie'!

No wonder it drives people mad, those terms are specifically designed to shut down debate.

Have you ever tried to counter an opinion on anyone on an issue and met a wall of ‘racist, bigot, ignorant’. It works exactly he same way. No wonder it drives people mad, as those terms are specifically designed to shut down debate.

[Brillopad]

No thats all for today :laugh:

Obviously not all uni students are like that...indeed, my brother is not, nor are many of his friends who find it all just stupid. But apparently it is a significant minority (and a very loud group)

Too damn loud - then they complain and cry when there is some comeback from that.

Maybe their youth and nativity is all too apparent by how immaturely they deal with criticism and different opinions and maybe until they can handle it they should keep their opinions to themselves. Just a thought.

[Kizzy]

Too damn loud - then they complain and cry when there is some comeback from that.

Maybe their youth and nativity is all too apparent by how immaturely they deal with criticism and maybe until they can handle it they should keep their opinions to themselves. Just a thought.

Maybe your old age and senility is all to apparent by how rigidly they deal with criticism and maybe they can't handle it they should keep their opinions to themselves. Just a thought

[Kizzy]

Have you ever tried to counter an opinion on anyone on an issue and met a wall of ‘racist, bigot, ignorant’. It works exactly he same way. No wonder it drives people mad, as those terms are specifically designed to shut down debate.

Yes except those accusations have a meaning ... if you make a statement that can be described as racist then that is a direct response, it has meaning.

If I were to be asked what is a racist sentence I could give you one... I could not give you a 'left' sentence... as it makes no sense whatsoever...look,

'I think there should be better provisions for schools!'

See, that's an example of left but there is no issue with that statement is there?

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/06/dont-call-us-snowflakes-damages-mental-health-say-young-people/

Apparently being called snowflakes damages the health of young people.

Maybe some suitable medicine would be some advice that it isn’t Advisable to dish it out if you can’t take it.

Problem solved.



They must Laugh it off...................


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake

[Brillopad]

Yes except those accusations have a meaning ... if you make a statement that can be described as racist then that is a direct response, it has meaning.

If I were to be asked what is a racist sentence I could give you one... I could not give you a 'left' sentence... as it makes no sense whatsoever...look,

'I think there should be better provisions for schools!'

See, that's an example of left but there is no issue with that statement is there?

Left would be socialist, anticapitalist, someone who sometimes defends the undefendable or fails to allow people the dignity of taking responsibility for their own actions. Left and right have many meanings often based on opinion and interpretation. Not difficult.

[The Slim Reaper]

Left would be socialist, anticapitalist, someone who sometimes defends the undefendable or fails to allow people the dignity of taking responsibility for their own actions. Left and right have many meanings often based on opinion and interpretation. Not difficult.

https://media.giphy.com/media/NlR0RF1v972Mw/source.gif

[Brillopad]

Maybe your old age and senility is all to apparent by how rigidly they deal with criticism and maybe they can't handle it they should keep their opinions to themselves. Just a thought

There is a lot to be said for life experience - you should understand that,

[jet]

I don't think its how they were raised. I think its how Universities and such have gone in recent times. Yes some of the entitlement may come from how they were raised..but it seems to be once they hit Uni that they 'become' special snowflakes who cannot be criticized. I find the idea of 'safe spaces' in Unis to be ridiculous. Uni is meant to be where you learn about how the real world is, not where you cocoon yourself in among like minded people and thus never be criticized ever. Echo chambers are not good, and should not be encouraged.

In a nutshell. Who could argue with that?

[Kizzy]

There is a lot to be said for life experience - you should understand that,

No there isn't... It depends on many factors being old does not make you wise, being wise makes you wise, being educated makes you wise.... if that means that young educated wise people are annoying old, ignorant uneducated people then I'm sorry they have that right.

[Brillopad]

No there isn't... It depends on many factors being old does not make you wise, being wise makes you wise, being educated makes you wise.... if that means that young educated wise people are annoying old, ignorant uneducated people then I'm sorry they have that right.

Who are you calling uneducated? I went to uni is that a clue?

[jet]

No there isn't... It depends on many factors being old does not make you wise, being wise makes you wise, being educated makes you wise.... if that means that young educated wise people are annoying old, ignorant uneducated people then I'm sorry they have that right.

Being educated doesn't make you wise, it makes you informed. It's what you do with that information and how you interpret it that matters...and
there is no substitute for life experience, you have a lot to learn Kizzy.

[Oliver_W]

Calling people "snowflakes" doesn't achieve anything, it's just as daft as when they call everyone racist/sexist/whatever whilst refusing to listen to opposing views. Most people grow out of being what you might call a "snowflake" when they get a job and general responsibilities, which is why I find it concerning to see 30/40+ year old SJWs...

[Withano]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/06/dont-call-us-snowflakes-damages-mental-health-say-young-people/

Apparently being called snowflakes damages the health of young people.

Maybe some suitable medicine would be some advice that it isn’t Advisable to dish it out if you can’t take it.

Problem solved.

Being snowflakey about a snowflake not wanting to be called a snowflake is the snowflakiest thing I've ever seen in my life. Kudos Brillo.

[Brillopad]

Being snowflakey about a snowflake not wanting to be called a snowflake is the snowflakiest thing I've ever seen in my life. Kudos Brillo.

Maybe getting snowflakey about me apparently getting snowflakey about a snowflake not wanting to be called a snowflake would Trump it. Even better would be the actual snowflake not wanting to be called a snowflake taking some responsibility I say!

[Withano]

Maybe getting snowflakey about me apparently getting snowflakey about a snowflake not wanting to be called a snowflake would Trump it. Even better would be the actual snowflake not wanting to be called a snowflake taking some responsibility I say!

I'm not sure anybody is following your definition of snowflake anymore. You can't just say it when someone responds to you in a pretty unenthused and calm manner, snowflake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it's great young people have opinions

I just think we shouldn't listen to them till they are at least 30

[smudgie]

All snowflakes melt eventually and new spring growth appears.
There is hope for us all.
Doesn't matter how old you get you still learn something new on a regular basis..well I do one here that's for sure.

[Northern Monkey]

Jeez,I wish snowflake was the worst i got called at school.

[Tom4784]

Like with Anti-PC people often being the most PC people of all, the right coined a phrase in Snowflake that is more apt towards right leaning attitudes than that of the left.

Nothing more snowflakey than your (sadly all too common) typical Right Winger when they are confronted with the thought of diversity.

[bots]

i think Vicky summed it up rather well, and I see no correlation with the term and politics directly. It may come up when someone cant stand the heat as it were but to say its right or left wing specifically just reflects ones own bias

[Brillopad]

Like with Anti-PC people often being the most PC people of all, the right coined a phrase in Snowflake that is more apt towards right leaning attitudes than that of the left.

Nothing more snowflakey than your (sadly all too common) typical Right Winger when they are confronted with the thought of diversity.

That is such total ballony. If people like you did not constantly try to shut down opposing opinions with petty name-calling and other exclusion attempts, terminology such as snowflakes in its current form would not exist. If you want to place blame for the existence of such terminology you should look closer to home.

[DemolitionRed]

That is such total ballony. If people like you did not constantly try to shut down opposing opinions with petty name-calling and other exclusion attempts, terminology such as snowflakes in its current form would not exist. If you want to place blame for the existence of such terminology you should look closer to home.

There's a difference between shutting down an argument because its verging on the side of racism. You of all the people in here, refuse to take on board any opinions that appose yours; at least when it comes to your ongoing rant about a certain religious group. You may go quiet when your opposes come back with some sort of proof to back up what they are saying but within a few days, the same old hymn sheet starts all over again.Neither of these opinions/debates/rants are 'snowflakey'. This is not what the word 'snowflake' was termed for.

In my mind a 'snowflake' is someone who can't listen or join in a debate about a certain subject because they are too sensitive but will go out of their way to shut that debate down, by other means, because they don't like it.

An example of that could be a debate or conversation about bullying. The 'snowflake' who has in the past been bullied and indeed traumatized by that bullying, does not want to join in this conversation because it triggers all sorts of memories. Instead of walking away as an act of self protection, they hang around and tell everyone that they shouldn't be having this discussion because it upsets them on a personal level. They aren't a snowflake because of what happened to them in the past and they aren't a snowflake because they are traumatized by their past. They are a snowflake because they are shutting down a debate because of their own self pity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One of the problems is of course social media and virtue signalling


Youngsters (not exclusively but for this example)will pepper their posts with how they want to be perceived based on the current mood of the day. SO they want to be seen as the most inclusive, free-thinking, all encompassing SJW they can to get likes. Hence you get a plethora of "wow, Ant that is NOT COOL" etc comments when they mishear Ant say Avvo and think he says ABBO. Its not that they give a tuppney fck about Aborigines or racism per se but they do care about their friends and followers thinking they do

[Northern Monkey]

I first heard it a few years ago.It started out as “special snowflake” and it was for the young American liberal SJW types that thought they deserved some kind of special treatment(i.e a safe space) because their feelings were hurt when they encountered opinions that didn’t match their own liberal ideology.The same people who get triggered by clapping so they click their fingers or use jazz hands to show their appreciation.These are a special kind of liberal from university culture.
The term has expanded abit now though.

[Vicky.]

I first heard it a few years ago.It started out as “special snowflake” and it was for the young American liberal SJW types that thought they deserved some kind of special treatment(i.e a safe space) because their feelings were hurt when they encountered opinions that didn’t match their own liberal ideology.The same people who get triggered by clapping so they click their fingers or use jazz hands to show their appreciation.These are a special kind of liberal from university culture.
The term has expanded abit now though.

Thats what I thought it meant actually.

[Toy Soldier]

Yep, the idea that it means delicate or easily offended is a misconception / a new adaptation of the meaning... it's originally about the fact (?) that every snowflake crystal has its own slightly different shape and structure and no two are ever the same. It's about uniqueness / "being special in the world" a-la the Fight Club rant;

"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile"

A counter to the idea that has been IMPOSED ON WESTERN - ESPECIALLY AMERICAN - CHILDREN SINCE THE 80's... that everyone is super-special and unique and can be the best at something (which is obviously, logically, false). But yeah. If millenials are snowflakes, then the blame lies squarely with the people who raised millenials to believe that they are special.

[Crimson Dynamo]

YOLO!



:yuk:

[Oliver_W]

Yep, the idea that it means delicate or easily offended is a misconception / a new adaptation of the meaning... it's originally about the fact (?) that every snowflake crystal has its own slightly different shape and structure and no two are ever the same. It's about uniqueness / "being special in the world" a-la the Fight Club rant;

"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile"

A counter to the idea that has been IMPOSED ON WESTERN - ESPECIALLY AMERICAN - CHILDREN SINCE THE 80's... that everyone is super-special and unique and can be the best at something (which is obviously, logically, false). But yeah. If millenials are snowflakes, then the blame lies squarely with the people who raised millenials to believe that they are special.

Probably where all the made up genders come from too.

[Toy Soldier]

Probably where all the made up genders come from too.I'd be hesitant to say that it's always this... But yes... I do think that a lot of the new "gender or genderless" pronouns and the need to have a seemingly endless list of descriptors on dating / social media profiles is, at least in part, linked to the need to "have something different" and "be unique".

The irony of course being that at this point it has actually become extremely conformist.

[Tom4784]

That is such total ballony. If people like you did not constantly try to shut down opposing opinions with petty name-calling and other exclusion attempts, terminology such as snowflakes in its current form would not exist. If you want to place blame for the existence of such terminology you should look closer to home.

Projection.

[Tom4784]

I'd be hesitant to say that it's always this... But yes... I do think that a lot of the new "gender or genderless" pronouns and the need to have a seemingly endless list of descriptors on dating / social media profiles is, at least in part, linked to the need to "have something different" and "be unique".

The irony of course being that at this point it has actually become extremely conformist.

I agree with that, tbh. Male, female, Non-binary. That's enough to cover all the boxes.

Pansexuality is something else that bugs me tbh, it's just a pretentious way of saying bisexual and the justification for it is silly, 'oh we aren't attracted to gender, we're attracted to PEOPLE!' that's just bisexuality.

[Oliver_W]

I agree with that, tbh. Male, female, Non-binary. That's enough to cover all the boxes.
tbh I don't even acknowledge "non-binary", there's no science behind it. From what I can tell, it came from Tumblr.

Pansexuality is something else that bugs me tbh, it's just a pretentious way of saying bisexual and the justification for it is silly, 'oh we aren't attracted to gender, we're attracted to PEOPLE!' that's just bisexuality.
This I agree with. Sexuality is based on being attracted to males, females, or both. If someone thinks they're a "grey gender agender nonbinary leprechaun" or whatever nonsense they come up with, they still look male or female, and would attract people accordingly.

[Tom4784]

tbh I don't even acknowledge "non-binary", there's no science behind it. From what I can tell, it came from Tumblr.


This I agree with. Sexuality is based on being attracted to males, females, or both. If someone thinks they're a "grey gender agender nonbinary leprechaun" or whatever nonsense they come up with, they still look male or female, and would attract people accordingly.

I see non-binary is just a catch all phrase tbh, I have no issue with it being unofficial umbrella term.

[Oliver_W]

I see non-binary is just a catch all phrase tbh, I have no issue with it being unofficial umbrella term.

But it's what falls under the umbrella I take issue with, as it involves all the nonsense terms. Male and female is all we need.

[Tom4784]

But it's what falls under the umbrella I take issue with, as it involves all the nonsense terms. Male and female is all we need.

I disagree with that because transgender is a thing.

[Oliver_W]

I disagree with that because transgender is a thing.

Transpeople are still male or female though.

[Tom4784]

I do agree with that but some trans people like to make the distinction.

[Brillopad]

There's a difference between shutting down an argument because its verging on the side of racism. You of all the people in here, refuse to take on board any opinions that appose yours; at least when it comes to your ongoing rant about a certain religious group. You may go quiet when your opposes come back with some sort of proof to back up what they are saying but within a few days, the same old hymn sheet starts all over again.Neither of these opinions/debates/rants are 'snowflakey'. This is not what the word 'snowflake' was termed for.

In my mind a 'snowflake' is someone who can't listen or join in a debate about a certain subject because they are too sensitive but will go out of their way to shut that debate down, by other means, because they don't like it.

An example of that could be a debate or conversation about bullying. The 'snowflake' who has in the past been bullied and indeed traumatized by that bullying, does not want to join in this conversation because it triggers all sorts of memories. Instead of walking away as an act of self protection, they hang around and tell everyone that they shouldn't be having this discussion because it upsets them on a personal level. They aren't a snowflake because of what happened to them in the past and they aren't a snowflake because they are traumatized by their past. They are a snowflake because they are shutting down a debate because of their own self pity.

Some on here like to elect themselves as judge and jury over people whose opinions differ to theirs. I think it makes them feel moraly superior, it doesn't of course. Opposing Islam is not racist - you and others can state it until you are blue in the face but it will not make it so. Trying to force and shame people into your way of thinking, or at the very least not question your thinking is and never will be well-balanced or well-informed because, like you accuse me, you see what you want to see.

You would be within your rights to accuse people of that who were being verbally abusive towards Muslims, threatening them is some way or saying very derogatory things that were clearly recognisable to all as Racist, none of which you can accuse me of doing. I simply oppose the religion because of its second-class treatment of women both here and in the Middle-East, in fact all over the world. We see it every day - to try and claim it is the behaviour of the few is ridiculous. Islam is causing problems all over the world, but hell lets just accuse those that challenge and criticize it as racists rather than address the problems with the religion and the people that blindly follow it. I have yet to see any of you present any actual proof that Islam is a just and tolerant religion who the rest of the world have got completely wrong. You certainly could not convince most that it doesn't treat women as second-class citizens.

Even more we need to address those superior souls who think they are the mouthpiece for every Muslim in the world and speak with such knowledge and wisdom with a belief they have right on their side and in a position to judge everyone else. So boring.

There you are - there is rant for you. But not a word of racism in it, although no doubt you will invent some.

Have fun.

[Oliver_W]

I do agree with that but some trans people like to make the distinction.
Doesn't mean they're not male or female. They can make whatever distinctions they like, doesn't make it so.

[Livia]

I first heard it a few years ago.It started out as “special snowflake” and it was for the young American liberal SJW types that thought they deserved some kind of special treatment(i.e a safe space) because their feelings were hurt when they encountered opinions that didn’t match their own liberal ideology.The same people who get triggered by clapping so they click their fingers or use jazz hands to show their appreciation.These are a special kind of liberal from university culture.
The term has expanded abit now though.

That's my understanding of the term.

[Scarlett.]

I'd be hesitant to say that it's always this... But yes... I do think that a lot of the new "gender or genderless" pronouns and the need to have a seemingly endless list of descriptors on dating / social media profiles is, at least in part, linked to the need to "have something different" and "be unique".

The irony of course being that at this point it has actually become extremely conformist.

Honestly I think the endless gender pronouns actually damage how some people see trans people in general. The ones Dezzy listed are fine enough descriptors.

[DemolitionRed]

Some on here like to elect themselves as judge and jury over people whose opinions differ to theirs. I think it makes them feel moraly superior, it doesn't of course. Opposing Islam is not racist - you and others can state it until you are blue in the face but it will not make it so. Trying to force and shame people into your way of thinking, or at the very least not question your thinking is and never will be well-balanced or well-informed because, like you accuse me, you see what you want to see.

You would be within your rights to accuse people of that who were being verbally abusive towards Muslims, threatening them is some way or saying very derogatory things that were clearly recognisable to all as Racist, none of which you can accuse me of doing. I simply oppose the religion because of its second-class treatment of women both here and in the Middle-East, in fact all over the world. We see it every day - to try and claim it is the behaviour of the few is ridiculous. Islam is causing problems all over the world, but hell lets just accuse those that challenge and criticize it as racists rather than address the problems with the religion and the people that blindly follow it. I have yet to see any of you present any actual proof that Islam is a just and tolerant religion who the rest of the world have got completely wrong. You certainly could not convince most that it doesn't treat women as second-class citizens.

Even more we need to address those superior souls who think they are the mouthpiece for every Muslim in the world and speak with such knowledge and wisdom with a belief they have right on their side and in a position to judge everyone else. So boring.

There you are - there is rant for you. But not a word of racism in it, although no doubt you will invent some.

Have fun.

What do you mean by "I couldn't convince 'most' people that Muslim men don't treat women as second class citizens?" What you aren't getting is, I don't have to convince 'most' people because more people think like me than think like you... at least in the areas I live, work and hang out. Perhaps if I moved to certain towns in the north or out to places like Norfolk, I'd find more people who thought like you do, but I don't plan on doing that.

I have said many times that most Muslims are barely religious. Just as Christians are often only that by name and only go to church at Christmas, the majority of Muslims (the thousands you wouldn't notice) dress in western dress, including the women and never step inside a mosque, but you ignore that and perpetually lump them all together with the terrorists and the misogynists and hate preachers and women in veils. Its like you see all Muslims as one evil person.

Now if you were to suggest that certain types of Muslims treat women like second class citizens, I'd agree with you whole heartedly. There are some institutions within the Islamic faith that treat women appalingly and nobody can really deny that, but when you talk about evil Muslim men, you mean all of them.

[Brillopad]

What do you mean by "I couldn't convince 'most' people that Muslim men don't treat women as second class citizens?" What you aren't getting is, I don't have to convince 'most' people because more people think like me than think like you... at least in the areas I live, work and hang out. Perhaps if I moved to certain towns in the north or out to places like Norfolk, I'd find more people who thought like you do, but I don't plan on doing that.

I have said many times that most Muslims are barely religious. Just as Christians are often only that by name and only go to church at Christmas, the majority of Muslims (the thousands you wouldn't notice) dress in western dress, including the women and never step inside a mosque, but you ignore that and perpetually lump them all together with the terrorists and the misogynists and hate preachers and women in veils. Its like you see all Muslims as one evil person.

Now if you were to suggest that certain types of Muslims treat women like second class citizens, I'd agree with you whole heartedly. There are some institutions within the Islamic faith that treat women appalingly and nobody can really deny that, but when you talk about evil Muslim men, you mean all of them.

I repeat I think Islam and its ideology is fundamentally misogynistic. That is what I see and hear around me. You are one person how many Muslims can you know. You say most Muslims are barely religious but again I feel the evidence around us says differently. How many Muslim women do we see around us wearing headscarfs for example, including many highly educated Muslim women such as consultants in the NHS - is the headscarf not a religous symbol of Islam. I simply don’t buy that statement.

Of course I don’t think all Muslims are terrorists but it seems obvious to many that Muslim terrorism is on the increase and pretty rampant in Europe which poses a significant threat to all of us. It is inevitable that will create mistrust.

For the record I don’t live in the North, I live in the South East not that far from London so your geographical ‘reasoning’ makes little sense and suggests that maybe you are too wrapped up in your own ideals and see what you want to see. Having faith in people is a good thing but you have to accept that not everyone sees things the same way - but that doesn’t necessarily make them racist or full of hate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

snowflakes triggered by being called snowflakes?

yep that happened

[DemolitionRed]

I repeat I think Islam and its ideology is fundamentally misogynistic. That is what I see and hear around me. You are one person how many Muslims can you know. You say most Muslims are barely religious but again I feel the evidence around us says differently. How many Muslim women do we see around us wearing headscarfs for example, including many highly educated Muslim women such as consultants in the NHS - is the headscarf not a religous symbol of Islam. I simply don’t buy that statement.

Of course I don’t think all Muslims are terrorists but it seems obvious to many that Muslim terrorism is on the increase and pretty rampant in Europe which poses a significant threat to all of us. It is inevitable that will create mistrust.

For the record I don’t live in the North, I live in the South East not that far from London so your geographical ‘reasoning’ makes little sense and suggests that maybe you are too wrapped up in your own ideals and see what you want to see. Having faith in people is a good thing but you have to accept that not everyone sees things the same way - but that doesn’t necessarily make them racist or full of hate.

And you, as you have claimed before, work for the NHS so you must come across Muslims. I bet you don't let them know how you feel and yet on here, a place where we know a Muslim man regularly posts, you spit your hate and vile under a sudo name.

[Brillopad]

And you, as you have claimed before, work for the NHS so you must come across Muslims. I bet you don't let them know how you feel and yet on here, a place where we know a Muslim man regularly posts, you spit your hate and vile under a sudo name.

There was no hate or bile in my post - you chose to see that because you don’t like that my options don’t agree with yours.

I clearly said I don’t think all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists currently creating murder and havoc across Europe are Muslims - fact, not fiction. Are we supposed to keep quiet and not state facts as some may take offence?

As for where I work - do we now only employ those that don’t dare criticise religion where criticism is warranted. You really do need to see how constantly attempting to label those who criticise a religion that has blatant flaws as spitting hate and bile is dictorial and controlling - and not a good look. Your attempts to shut down my opinions are fruitless and your opinions no more valid than mine.

[Kizzy]

And we're back to Muslims again... I didn't see that coming. :/