Interesting article on the disadvantage black women suffer in Reality TV

[Headie]

It mentions Melanie and Makosi from BB, Joanna from The Apprentice and Alexandra from Strictly.

Alexandra Burke and the trouble with reality TV and race
As a brilliant dancer fails to win votes on Strictly week after week, an unsettling interpretation emerges: that racial anxieties are the problem

Few contestants have dominated the Strictly Come Dancing dancefloor like Alexandra Burke has this year. She received the first 10 of the season for her jive to Tina Turner’s Proud Mary, performed a flawless, Mary Poppins-themed charleston and impressed the judges with her salsa and her Viennese waltz.

Despite her technical brilliance, Burke has found herself repeatedly in the bottom two – as voted for by the British public. And some observers have perceived a contempt for her, from both the media and the public, that is unlike anything directed towards her fellow contestants.

This week Burke received an apology from the BBC Radio 2 presenter Chris Evans over the fact that she had been in the bottom two the week before. “I would like to apologise on behalf of Great Britain because we forgot to vote for you,” said Evans to Burke, who revealed that Strictly had told her people didn’t vote for her because they presumed she was safe.

But alongside that benign explanation for her underperformance is another more troubling interpretation – and one that has nagged televised popularity contests ever since the early days of Big Brother. By this argument, Burke’s surprising difficulties are linked to deeply rooted racial anxieties that will not go away.

Despite Ore Oduba taking the Strictly crown last year, accusations of unconscious voter racism have long plagued the show, particularly after the row caused by the successive departures of black contestants Tameka Empson and Melvin Odoom. Subsequent analysis by the Guardian demonstrated that being black or minority ethnic increased a contestant’s chances of being in the bottom two by 71%, and being both black and female increased those odds by 83%.

Kehinde Andrews, a sociology professor at Birmingham City University and the co-editor of Blackness in Britain, said it was unsurprising that the British public were uncomfortable voting for Burke to win Strictly, a show beloved for promoting family values and a sense of British national identity, which many still see as being at odds with multiculturalism and diversity.

“Every time you see one of these reality shows, you see they get ethnically cleansed very quickly,” said Andrews. “These shows speak to how black and ethnic minority people are viewed with suspicion across Britain.”

Burke may have been the highest scoring contestant of the competition but across the media she has repeatedly been branded a “diva” and a “difficult” contestant, who “can’t stop bickering” and “screaming” at her dance partner, Gorka Marquez. It was then alleged that she went into “meltdown” after finding herself in the bottom two once again last Sunday, forcing Burke to issue a denial of the “fake” report.

Some observers said Joanna Jarjue, a contestant on The Apprentice, had received similar treatment before she was fired this week, having been persistently presented as unusually argumentative and aggressive. Lucy Mckeown, a makeup artist, tweeted:


Lucyferrr
@Lucyferrr
Have to say the thinly veiled racism directed at @joannajarjue on this seasons Apprentice was hard to watch. She was no more “confrontational” than anyone else.


When Jarjue left the show she said she was grateful to everyone “who has supported me, been rooting for me and seen beyond a narrative”.

Andrews said Burke’s characterisation in some parts of the media was typical. “We shouldn’t be surprised that this is what’s happened on Strictly,” he said. “The diva script is one of the only scripts that is put across on TV for reading black women.”

Melanie Hill, a mixed-race female contestant on the first series of Big Brother, said that she had experienced similar prejudice when she was on the show and added that misogyny often went together with racial stereotypes.

“It was all interwoven with sexuality from the beginning,’ said Hill. “The video clip of the show that I couldn’t escape was of me getting unchanged in the bedroom. It was the same behaviour as everyone else, it’s not like I was doing striptease, but it was my bum that got singled out.

“It felt like they wanted to reduce me to this stereotype of a overly sexual, aggressive mixed-race woman. And the press had a complete field day with me being this despised ‘black widow’. I was called a preying mantis. It was all so sexually loaded which couldn’t be further my own view of my own identity.”

It was a similar experience for Makosi Musambasi, a contestant on Big Brother 6, who described how she had entered the show believing people would see her for who she was, an articulate, well-educated nurse, and had been shocked to find on leaving the show that the focus was entirely on her as a “sexy black woman with big boobs”.

“When I did it, it was awful. I just wanted to hide away after,” said Musambasi. “I realised people really can’t accredit anything else to black women but her body and in the Big Brother house there was no place for me as a smart black woman. They brought me into the house for my boobs and the script they had always intended for me was as a sexy black woman. The editing made that obvious – they showed me in the shower more than any other contestant, male or female.”

In a damning piece for Black Ballad, its editor, Tobi Oredein, described how this series of Strictly had once again seen flawed and damaging stereotypes foisted on a black reality TV contestant. “The ‘problem’ the public has with Alexandra Burke exposes the hypocrisy and racism that still has tight grip around the neck of the British nation,” she said.

Oredein said the treatment of Burke was indicative of how some members of the British public remained uncomfortable with a black woman outperforming the white contestants. “Alexandra is a self-assured black woman who is infiltrating a world of entertainment that is seen as an extremely white space,” she added.

“To the British public, how can this black woman be better than her white counterparts, show emotion and be beautiful?”

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/dec/16/alexandra-burke-and-the-trouble-with-reality-tv-and-race-strictly?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Matthew.]

Interesting one that I saw earlier as Joanna retweeted it

[montblanc]

true true true :clap1:

[GoldHeart]

Ohh the negativity but very interesting article but I'm not surprised . But I knew Alexandra wouldn't win but I'm so happy both her & Debbie made the final :) .

It was obvious Joe was going to win , yes it was wrong that Alexandra was in the B2 twice . But the hate campaign against her didn't help :bored: . But I'm glad her fans and new fans supported her even more.

We all know the wrong people get kicked out of strictly early on because it's a popularity show and it's all about who you fancy or who you're a fan of . That's just how it goes , it's supposed to be a dancing competition but more often than not the bad dancers get kept in until much later on . There is injustice and it isn't always fair but it's been happening for a long time .

The reality stars mentioned in this are all different , Makosi didn't help herself on BB :nono:, she started off cool & entertaining but then the crap with Anthony in the pool and him denying it just made her look bad , and she generally acted like she was full of herself . It's ashame really but I think the secret missions she got in the BB house made her act weird .

I agree Joanna has been wrongfully treated on the apprentice , she expressed her opinion and was called argumentative for it when the other women on the show were just as confrontational if not MORE ! :nono: .

Melanie got terrible backlash on BB for literally just kissing 2 guys I think :conf: ? , Again totally unfair . Especially considering since BB 1 people have had sex in that house, cheating on their partners and all sorts :bored: .

There's alot of fickle attitude with reality shows and hypocrisy unfortunately . It was insane the hate Alexandra got though. Anyway It's nearly Christmas .

[rusticgal]

Load of crap...it's nothing to do with the skin colour...its just a convenient arguement.
You have to have the 'likeability' factor...and although there is nothing nasty about Alexandra she simply came across as over dramatic and the public saw it as 'fake' and OTT. All the 'WOW' and 'omg' as though she was shocked about being admired by the judges...she knows she's good but I like many found it stomach churning.
Debbie was as good...she deserved it as much as Alexandra...people have their reasons for voting or not voting for someone. Why didn't they vote for Debbie?...it certainly wasn't anything to do with the colour of her skin..:shrug:
The GBP like to see the underdog win...someone who has come from nowhere where their improvement has grown week in and week out..Debbie and Alexandra have been of a high standard from week 1 based on previous dancing experience...boring. I think Gemma should have won based on tonight's show.
That's reality TV for you...nothing to do with colour.

[Mystic Mock]

The hate for Alexandra was very OTT.

However I did find her too princessy for my personal tastes, I find that kind of woman very annoying to listen to as I had the same issues with Debbie on that front to.

[chuff me dizzy]

I dont watch the Apprentice so cannot comment, but the other 2 you mention were self serving,arrogant bitches regardless of their colour ,and with such a bad attitude they will and should never win

[Cherie]

She made the final on the two shows she entered, beating a boyband ( when apparently only thirsty women vote), and she was beaten on Strictly by someone from a very popular drama show, add to that that she wasn't particularly likeable on Strictly, and neither was Debbie, Gemma should have won as she had the likability factor and made the most progression

[chuff me dizzy]

She made the final on the two shows she entered, beating a boyband ( when apparently only thirsty women vote), and she was beaten on Strictly by someone from a very popular drama show, add to that that she wasn't particularly likeable on Strictly, and neither was Debbie, Gemma should have won as she had the likability factor and made the most progression

:clap1: Joe or Gemma for me too

[Niamh.]

She won X Factor and came what 2nd or 3rd on this? So I don't get this article

[Cal.]

I could agree with the 'angry black woman' stereotype but I don't think there's a 'sexy black woman' stereotype fitting with the boobs etc in RTV. That's more reserved for blonde females.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I dont watch the Apprentice so cannot comment, but the other 2 you mention were self serving,arrogant bitches regardless of their colour ,and with such a bad attitude they will and should never win

Joanne was edited to be cry baby, but she is only 23, she might be better off tv but the way she was shown to be argumentative cry baby, she needs to grow up.

[Niamh.]

I could agree with the 'angry black woman' stereotype but I don't think there's a 'sexy black woman' stereotype fitting with the boobs etc in RTV. That's more reserved for blonde females.Yeah I definitely get that one

[MTVN]

I don't always agree with this theory but I did think they made far too big a deal of Joanna being 'confrontational' on TA, there was one task at the start where she was that way but other than that she wasn't that bad but Lord Sugar returned to it every week.

I think Makosi is being a bit obtuse to say she was shocked at her portrayal though given the way she acted in the house though

[Nicky91]

i see no problem :shrug:

[rusticgal]

She made the final on the two shows she entered, beating a boyband ( when apparently only thirsty women vote), and she was beaten on Strictly by someone from a very popular drama show, add to that that she wasn't particularly likeable on Strictly, and neither was Debbie, Gemma should have won as she had the likability factor and made the most progression


I would have loved Gemma to win..

[Cherie]

If the leaked percentages are anything to go by she only lost by 5 per cent and LT could only get Debbie to 4th :hehe:

[Kazanne]

Nothing to do with colour imo,some people just use that as an excuse for someone who is usually obnoxious,unlikable off their rockers or gobby,it's the same for white people some are likable others are not,usually in the case of BB the women of colour are usually all of the above,which is a shame as I am sure there are plenty of lovely ones Alison Hammond comes to mind she seems a lovely person and has done really well for herself.

[chuff me dizzy]

Nothing to do with colour imo,some people just use that as an excuse for someone who is usually obnoxious,unlikable off their rockers or gobby,it's the same for white people some are likable others are not,usually in the case of BB the women of colour are usually all of the above,which is a shame as I am sure there are plenty of lovely ones Alison Hammond comes to mind she seems a lovely person and has done really well for herself.

:clap1: Spot on ! As far as I can recall Alison is the only non white woman without a vile attitude in BB, this is why she's done os well for herself

[LukeB]

:clap1: Spot on ! As far as I can recall Alison is the only non white woman without a vile attitude in BB, this is why she's done os well for herself

Deborah from BB18
Adjoa BB16
Heaven BB12
Rachel BB11
Dawn BB7

Didn’t have a vile attitude

[chuff me dizzy]

Deborah from BB18
Adjoa BB16
Heaven BB12
Rachel BB11
Dawn BB7

Didn’t have a vile attitude

You are joking ? please tell me you are

[Smithy]

:clap1: Spot on ! As far as I can recall Alison is the only non white woman without a vile attitude in BB, this is why she's done os well for herself

:umm2:

[stewartf]

u9Load of crap...it's nothing to do with the skin colour...its just a convenient arguement.
You have to have the 'likeability' factor...and although there is nothing nasty about Alexandra she simply came across as over dramatic and the public saw it as 'fake' and OTT. All the 'WOW' and 'omg' as though she was shocked about being admired by the judges...she knows she's good but I like many found it stomach churning.
Debbie was as good...she deserved it as much as Alexandra...people have their reasons for voting or not voting for someone. Why didn't they vote for Debbie?...it certainly wasn't anything to do with the colour of her skin..:shrug:
The GBP like to see the underdog win...someone who has come from nowhere where their improvement has grown week in and week out..Debbie and Alexandra have been of a high standard from week 1 based on previous dancing experience...boring. I think Gemma should have won based on tonight's show.
That's reality TV for you...nothing to do with colour.

I think Debbie played the faux surprise game too at her scores ..also an accomplished dancer so a really annoying game when after years of dance they knew they were in for nines and tens. Thought Gem's reactions were very mature and normal by comparison. Ironically the actress, but not playing the stupid drama queen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh its from the Guardian


:idc:

is that the "paper" that begs you for money after every article because noone reads it anymore?

thought so

[TomC]

All the comments were calling it rubbish etc :rolleyes:

I definitely see it as a problem. Black women do tend to get a really rough ride in public-voted reality shows. There are some actual stats in the article aren't there? I cba to re-read it, I already saw it a few days ago :laugh:

[Alf]

I don't always agree with this theory but I did think they made far too big a deal of Joanna being 'confrontational' on TA, there was one task at the start where she was that way but other than that she wasn't that bad but Lord Sugar returned to it every week.

I think Makosi is being a bit obtuse to say she was shocked at her portrayal though given the way she acted in the house thoughNot half as much of a big deal as they made of Elizabeth being a potty control freak!

They only portrayed Elizabeth like that because she is White (I can't think of another reason why?)

[GoldHeart]

Not half as much of a big deal as they made of Elizabeth being a potty control freak!

They only portrayed Elizabeth like that because she is White (I can't think of another reason why?)

I don't want to use the race card as that ISN'T always the case. Despite Makosi behaving weird in the house Davina still had to admit she was an entertaining hm even though both her & the audience treated her like public enemy number 1 :bored: .

Makosi didn't help herself as I've already said , the crap with Anthony was a mess and the secret missions she had in the house made her act differently . She's swears blind without the secret missions she would of acted the same but I'm not convinced tbh :think: .

She was a fun hm to start with and I was glad she completed the secret missions but it became frustrating how narcissistic and annoying she became. But she made the final, I don't think she would ever of won but some people reckon she might of won if all the BS antics never happened but I'm not sure.


But anyway Elizabeth was a mad hatter control freak and drove everyone crazy yet Sugar kept her in :bored: and it proves the apprentice is a big fat joke:joker:, zero to do with proper business skills and more about entertainment and comedy. Elizabeth was never going to win but I always knew she'd make the interviews to see her get grilled for viewers pleasure.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder how white contestants get on in African RT?

etc

etc

[armand.kay]

I could agree with the 'angry black woman' stereotype but I don't think there's a 'sexy black woman' stereotype fitting with the boobs etc in RTV. That's more reserved for blonde females.

The trope has existed since slavery. I've not really seen it on British tv but its more prevalent on american tv and media. e.g., love and hip hop, BGC, lil kim etc

[armand.kay]

I wonder how white contestants get on in African RT?

etc

etc

pretty well.

[armand.kay]

Alexandra is a really bad example to use though

[Jamie89]

Hmm, I do think that racism and sexism can sometimes play a part in how well contestants do in RTV shows. To deny that would be to deny that racism and sexism exist imo. I don't think it effects outcomes to a major extent though as I think there a far more people who aren't racist or sexist, and there are probably a bunch of people who are kinda racist and/or sexist who occasionally like black/female contestants. It's probably not so black and white (no pun intended). As in, yes I imagine there's an influence there but it's not so determinate that it means black women will always perform worse than everyone else.
Makosi is probably a bad example for them to use though. Wasn't she the favourite to win for the first few weeks? She was hugely popular with the public, it turned around after she lied about getting pregnant and much of her behaviour after that.

[montblanc]

i understand that some of these examples were kind of bad but the overall points that the article is making are very true

[GoldHeart]

Hmm, I do think that racism and sexism can sometimes play a part in how well contestants do in RTV shows. To deny that would be to deny that racism and sexism exist imo. I don't think it effects outcomes to a major extent though as I think there a far more people who aren't racist or sexist, and there are probably a bunch of people who are kinda racist and/or sexist who occasionally like black/female contestants. It's probably not so black and white (no pun intended). As in, yes I imagine there's an influence there but it's not so determinate that it means black women will always perform worse than everyone else.
Makosi is probably a bad example for them to use though. Wasn't she the favourite to win for the first few weeks? She was hugely popular with the public, it turned around after she lied about getting pregnant and much of her behaviour after that.

All the women mentioned in the article are all from different backgrounds and have different personalities the only thing they have in common is their race .

Makosi is a BAD example for sure as she ruined her own chances of winning but i don't think she would of won anyway , some people even think Kinga had a chance which is laughable :laugh2: and that the nasty wine bottle incident ruined her chances :yuk: .But Neither of them would of won.

Anthony was a fav to win for a long time and the crap with Craig just gained him more votes ,probably sympathy votes having to put up with an emotional unstable stalker :facepalm: .

But let's all be real when we acknowledge racism , sexism and other prejudices still exists today :nono: , I don't always think discrimination is the result of something bad happening to a contestant but it does definitely play a part sometimes .

And the statistics for these shows don't look good atall .

[chuff me dizzy]

All the women mentioned in the article are all from different backgrounds and have different personalities the only thing they have in common is their race .

Makosi is a BAD example for sure as she ruined her own chances of winning but i don't think she would of won anyway , some people even think Kinga had a chance which is laughable :laugh2: and that the nasty wine bottle incident ruined her chances :yuk: .But Neither of them would of won.

Anthony was a fav to win for a long time and the crap with Craig just gained him more votes ,probably sympathy votes having to put up with an emotional unstable stalker :facepalm: .

But let's all be real when we acknowledge racism , sexism and other prejudices still exists today :nono: , I don't always think discrimination is the result of something bad happening to a contestant but it does definitely play a part sometimes .

And the statistics for these shows don't look good atall .

And their vile attitude :idc:

[Nicky91]

excuse me but i don't like Craig's vile behaviour towards Mollie & Aston, denying them from the tour, even though Mollie has admitted she loves dancing and would've loved to do the tour


it makes me furious :rant:

[Crimson Dynamo]

excuse me but i don't like Craig's vile behaviour towards Mollie & Aston, denying them from the tour, even though Mollie has admitted she loves dancing and would've loved to do the tour


it makes me furious :rant:

WRONG THREAD

[GoldHeart]

And their vile attitude :idc:

What on Earth are you talking about ! :bored: did you even watch Melanie & Makosi in BB ?. I bet you're just making up your mind from what you've heard and been told.

And you still seem to believe the malicious crap written about Alexandra , the only thing that's vile are those lies written about Alexandra.

Joanna was a strong candidate and had some good ideas and her business had potential, so tell me how she has a "vile attitude"?.

If you're referring to her argumentative side then that's unfair as every woman from this apprentice near enough was argumentative, Siobhan was one of the worst ones this year . Elizabeth was a nightmare for people to work with, Jade was stuck up and rude at times.

But because Joanna happens to be on the receiving end of some of the arguments then she's the "aggressive vile one" hmm interesting ::whistle::bored:

[Nicky91]

WRONG THREAD

so what :rolleyes:


it's still about strictly, so ontopic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Makosi was a vile egotistical narcissist of the worst kind. She typifies the horrible stereotypes that BB continue to feed. The problem solely lies with the production sourcing such horrible black women for drama and not with the British public, the most accepting and tolerant audience in the entire world

:rolleyes:

[Nicky91]

Makosi is a sweetie :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Makosi is a sweetie :love:

like you watched that series when you were 12 or whatever

:rolleyes:

[GoldHeart]

Makosi was a vile egotistical narcissist of the worst kind. She typifies the horrible stereotypes that BB continue to feed. The problem solely lies with the production sourcing such horrible black women for drama and not with the British public, the most accepting and tolerant audience in the entire world

:rolleyes:

It's funny how since then people love egomaniacs on BB including on the CBB .

I already said Makosi's character changed and she was narcissistic and behaving stupidly with the whole "I might be pregnant " rubbish and contemplating "jacuzzi" as a name for her imaginary baby :facepalm: .


She still didn't deserve the heavy hate she got, the interview was unwatchable and the last time I've seen an interview as cringy as that was Becky from BB5 just because she did what BB told her to do which is the aim of the game :rolleyes:. All Becky did was follow the rules and had to nominate someone by giving them a kiss on the face cheek .

Like I said Makosi didn't help herself and she's an attention seeker, but Joanna & Alexandra definitely don't deserve the hate . Melanie kissed 2 guys ooooh what a hussy ?? :joker: pleaseee give me a break. People have shagged in the house cheated on their partners and even stripped naked and groped each other. Just to name a few.

[chuff me dizzy]

What on Earth are you talking about ! :bored: did you even watch Melanie & Makosi in BB ?. I bet you're just making up your mind from what you've heard and been told.

And you still seem to believe the malicious crap written about Alexandra , the only thing that's vile are those lies written about Alexandra.

Joanna was a strong candidate and had some good ideas and her business had potential, so tell me how she has a "vile attitude"?.

If you're referring to her argumentative side then that's unfair as every woman from this apprentice near enough was argumentative, Siobhan was one of the worst ones this year . Elizabeth was a nightmare for people to work with, Jade was stuck up and rude at times.

But because Joanna happens to be on the receiving end of some of the arguments then she's the "aggressive vile one" hmm interesting ::whistle::bored:

Ive watched every series both normal and Cbb since series 1 ........ and still say the only nice black woman in any series has been Alison Hammond, they will never win, nor should they unless they realise you get further in life being nice than nasty, something their mothers should have learned them from an early age

[Crimson Dynamo]

and of course the last few years even on Tibb the usual omg i love her quick get the fan club together, member falling over themselves to join up etc only for the women to be so vile that by week 2 not a peep from anyone nd only chuff and me saying *cough told you so

:whistle:

[GoldHeart]

Ive watched every series both normal and Cbb since series 1 ........ and still say the only nice black woman in any series has been Alison Hammond, they will never win, nor should they unless they realise you get further in life being nice than nasty, something their mothers should have learned them from an early age

Are you being serious :shocked: :facepalm:, Alison was and still is a lovely bubbly person .
But to actually say she's the only nice black woman to enter BB is absurd and offensive.

Sandi from Gogglebox was fairly nice And she seemed like a mother figure and tried to be a peacemaker, plus she cleaned and cooked while others sat on their lazy arses . Ohh let me guess you think Sandi is fake?? :laugh3: .

Latoya Jackson didn't behave bad in the house she was just quiet .

What did Adjoa do that was bad?? I didn't watch much of that series but I didn't see her do anything that bad apart from talk about sex which is what all of them do in that house ,and some even have sex .


There's so many other examples i can say but I'm busy today :idc: .

[Niamh.]

^^^ Heaven just off the top of my head, Ife I think although I don't remember much of her ^^^

[GoldHeart]

^^^ Heaven just off the top of my head, Ife I think although I don't remember much of her ^^^

Ife lost support because she was seen as boring and quiet, I remember she had massive cheers when she went in . But hanging around Those 2 girls ( I'm not even going to attempt to try and spell the Irish girl's name and what was the other girl called Shab ?) , Ife shouldn't of hanged around them as they were bitchy and negative.

[Niamh.]

Ife lost support because she was seen as boring and quiet, I remember she had massive cheers when she went in . But hanging around Those 2 girls ( I'm not even going to attempt to try and spell the Irish girl's name and what was the other girl called Shab ?) , Ife shouldn't of hanged around them as they were bitchy and negative.

Caoimhe :hee:

[chuff me dizzy]

and of course the last few years even on Tibb the usual omg i love her quick get the fan club together, member falling over themselves to join up etc only for the women to be so vile that by week 2 not a peep from anyone nd only chuff and me saying *cough told you so

:whistle:

Ive never made a fan club for anyone,and I'm the 1st to admit if I misjudged someone after a week or so in ,but to see series after series the same crowd worshipping someone for the colour of their skin BEFORE they've even entered the house is laughable, but will they admit when this person turns out to be the devils daughter that they got it wrong? Nope never !!

[GoldHeart]

Caoimhe :hee:

Yes that's the silly bint's name :joker: . I couldn't stand her !! Such a miserable cow.

[Niamh.]

Yes that's the silly bint's name :joker: . I couldn't stand her !! Such a miserable cow.

Yeah me neither, terrible year for HMs in general actually BB11

[Cherie]

Ife lost support because she was seen as boring and quiet, I remember she had massive cheers when she went in . But hanging around Those 2 girls ( I'm not even going to attempt to try and spell the Irish girl's name and what was the other girl called Shab ?) , Ife shouldn't of hanged around them as they were bitchy and negative.

you wouldn't get away with a comment like that if the same girl was black..:hee:

[GoldHeart]

you wouldn't get away with a comment like that if the same girl was black..:hee:

FFS I was defending people like Sandi from Gogglebox because of what chuff said :facepalm: , you know for a fact some Irish people have weird spelling names :nono: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

there was a girl last night in Tesco with a white face and black hands

tru fact

[chuff me dizzy]

FFS I was defending people like Sandi from Gogglebox because of what chuff said :facepalm: , you know for a fact some Irish people have weird spelling names :nono: .

So have Asian women, but you would be 1st in line to jump down someones throat if they spelt it wrong :joker:

[GoldHeart]

So have Asian women, but you would be 1st in line to jump down someones throat if they spelt it wrong :joker:

No I wouldn't , all kinds of people have complicated and weird spelling names:nono: .

[Cherie]

FFS I was defending people like Sandi from Gogglebox because of what chuff said :facepalm: , you know for a fact some Irish people have weird spelling names :nono: .


so do many other nationalities however there would be an outcry if you said you weren't going to spell someones name say if they came from India because you found the spelling too weird :idc: , bit unbelievable in all honesty it makes me think your stance on racism is just posturing..

[chuff me dizzy]

No I wouldn't , all kinds of people have complicated and weird spelling names:nono: .

You've done it with me before

[GoldHeart]

You've done it with me before

When??

[GoldHeart]

[/B]

so do many other nationalities however there would be an outcry if you said you weren't going to spell someones name say if they came from India because you found the spelling too weird :idc: , bit unbelievable in all honesty it makes me think your stance on racism is just posturing..

I'm pretty sure mis spelling someone's name doesn't mean you're racist:joker: . And I've spent all kinds of people's name wrong, I don't care about their background:nono:.

But it's ok for Chuff to say Alison Hammond is the only "nice black woman to enter BB " ?? :bored: pretty sure that's more racial offensive.

[Niamh.]

I'm pretty sure mis spelling someone's name doesn't mean you're racist:joker: . And I've spent all kinds of people's name wrong, I don't care about their background:nono:.

But it's ok for Chuff to say Alison Hammond is the only "nice black woman to enter BB " ?? :bored: pretty sure that's more racial offensive.

As an Irish person with a funnily spelled name, i can confirm that i wasn't offended :p

[GoldHeart]

As an Irish person with a funnily spelled name, i can confirm that i wasn't offended :p

Thank you :clap1: :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm pretty sure mis spelling someone's name doesn't mean you're racist:joker: . And I've spent all kinds of people's name wrong, I don't care about their background:nono:.

But it's ok for Chuff to say Alison Hammond is the only "nice black woman to enter BB " ?? :bored: pretty sure that's more racial offensive.

Racial offensive because I only like Alison Hammond ? Grow up fgs

[GoldHeart]

Racial offensive because I only like Alison Hammond ? Grow up fgs

There's nothing wrong with only liking her, but to claim she's and I quote
" the only nice black woman to go on BB " is utter rubbish :laugh2: :crazy:

[Nicky91]

strictly is over, done, finito for the year, let us move on to CBB and Christmas now

[chuff me dizzy]

There's nothing wrong with only liking her, but to claim she's and I quote
" the only nice black woman to go on BB " is utter rubbish :laugh2: :crazy:

In my opinion she was ,as my opinion counts as much as anyone else's

[bots]

i could count the number of nice contestants throughout the entire history of BB uk in one hand