Is it time to move on from this war of the sexes rubbish?

[Northern Monkey]

Honestly it’s like being back at school “girls are better than boys,boys are better than girls rah rah rah”
Is Big Brother just perpetuating division?

Debate

[Oliver_W]

I don't think there was anything about a "war of the sexes" in the launch? Unless you think celebrating females and their right to vote is a slight against men?

[Alf]

Girls are just jealous because we're so much better then them, they're like little slugs!


David Brent quote there, swapping the Swindon lot for girls

[Nicky91]

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we will have guys in this series as late entrants ugh, so i like this twist, and when the guys arrive everyone has someone to stan, guy or woman

[ChristmasNeeve]

Celebrating being a woman and how far we've come since we got the vote isn't a war on men

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think there was anything about a "war of the sexes" in the launch? Unless you think celebrating females and their right to vote is a slight against men?

I think men and women can celebrate that without removing men from the launch and banning them from the crowd.It all just came over abit pretentious and boring tbh.

[chuff me dizzy]

Honestly it’s like being back at school “girls are better than boys,boys are better than girls rah rah rah”
Is Big Brother just perpetuating division?

Debate

Totally agree, move on, get over it ffs

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think men and women can celebrate that without removing men from the launch and banning them from the crowd.It all just came over abit pretentious and boring tbh.

So celebrate it by just having a normal CBB then? :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Celebrating being a woman and how far we've come since we got the vote isn't a war on men

But is having a man free zone for a week promoting equality or a gynocentric female superiority complex?

And if they can do that should they reintroduce Yorkie as a male only chocolate bar?





:laugh:

[ChristmasNeeve]

But is having a man free zone for a week promoting equality or a gynocentric female superiority complex?

And if they can do that should they reintroduce Yorkie as a male on chocolate bar?





:laugh:

Oh come off it, you really think women are now viewed as superior to men? I don't think so sonny Jim :nono:

[Northern Monkey]

So celebrate it by just having a normal CBB then? :laugh:

They can still have the theme.Just take the sexism out.Show that feminism is about equality and not further perpetuate the feminazi stereotype.

[Northern Monkey]

Totally agree, move on, get over it ffs

Exactly.It was a hundred years ago now.

[ChristmasNeeve]

They can still have the theme.Just take the sexism out.Show that feminism is about equality and not further perpetuate the feminazi stereotype.

If they had the theme but had male HMs in on launch people would still be complaining and shouting feminazi

[Jake.]

If they had the theme but had male HMs in on launch people would still be complaining and shouting feminazi

Exactly lol

The theme would only work with women HM’s starting the show off.

[chuff me dizzy]

If they had the theme but had male HMs in on launch people would still be complaining and shouting feminazi

There shouldn't be either IMO ,this is an entertainment show, not a platform for idiots who feel they are hard done by

[Oliver_W]

There shouldn't be either IMO ,this is an entertainment show, not a platform for idiots who feel they are hard done by

Who was acting like they were hard done by?

[chuff me dizzy]

Who was acting like they were hard done by?

Lots of "groups" feel hard done by

[ChristmasNeeve]

There shouldn't be either IMO ,this is an entertainment show, not a platform for idiots who feel they are hard done by

Who was acting like they were hard done by?

^^^

[ChristmasNeeve]

Lots of "groups" feel hard done by

We're talking specifically about the Theme of BB this year not lots of groups feeling hard done by though?

[chuff me dizzy]

We're talking specifically about the Theme of BB this year not lots of groups feeling hard done by though?

The theme is strong women and womens rights, Im equal to my husband,but we both have different rolls ,he's the breadwinner and Im the housewife, a perfectly good,happy relationship thats how it should be, women will never be able to do all men do and visa versa, just shut up and carry on girls ( not you Niamh,just women in general )

[jet]

I thought it was OTT to have an all female crowd and all female BOTS. It was too contrived and pretentious. Talk about overkill.

[smudgie]

Women got a 4 day start basically.
The theme was to celebrate women getting the vote 100 years ago, can't see a problem with it myself.
I am all for them trying something new to try and keep the show fresh.

[ChristmasNeeve]

The theme is strong women and womens rights, Im equal to my husband,but we both have different rolls ,he's the breadwinner and Im the housewife, a perfectly good,happy relationship thats how it should be, women will never be able to do all men do and visa versa, just shut up and carry on girls ( not you Niamh,just women in general )

If that works for you Chuff then all power to you, for me, we both work full time and share the household responsibilities and that works for us, I don't see the relevance any of that has to the theme still though?

[thesheriff443]

If a woman wants to be on top I'm not going to argue.

[Oliver_W]

Lots of "groups" feel hard done by

Sure they do, but none of them played a role in the BB launch. If there were "Tumblr feminists" moaning about mansplaining or wage gaps, you might have a point. But there weren't so you don't.

[thesheriff443]

The theme is pointless, and the line up piss poor.

[Livia]

Celebrating being a woman and how far we've come since we got the vote isn't a war on men

EXACTLY! Maybe because men gave us such a hard time for so many years some men are now worried that we're going to do the same to them. But we're so much nicer than that and we're looking for equality not superiority. And let's face it, for every woman who wrongly claims that men are inferior to women, there will be a man who still thinks it's okay to say "Show us yer tits, darlin'!"

[ChristmasNeeve]

EXACTLY! Maybe because men gave us such a hard time for so many years some men are now worried that we're going to do the same to them. But we're so much nicer than that and we're looking for equality not superiority. And let's face it, for every woman who wrongly claims that men are inferior to women, there will be a man who still thinks it's okay to say "Show us yer tits, darlin'!"

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[Cherry Christmas]

I want to know why Emma felt the need to wear a pink coat! Will she wear a blue one on Friday night for the arrival of the males, very bizarre

[chuff me dizzy]

I want to know why Emma felt the need to wear a pink coat! Will she wear a blue one on Friday night for the arrival of the males, very bizarre

And the stupid way she growled every time she said "woman" silly cow !!

[Livia]

I want to know why Emma felt the need to wear a pink coat! Will she wear a blue one on Friday night for the arrival of the males, very bizarre

I kind of like that coat. Am I strange?

[Cherry Christmas]

And the stupid way she growled every time she said "woman" silly cow !!

I haven't watched the launch, it will all be rehashed tonight in the hls so will watch it then, just flicked over for the last 15 minutes, I didn't think it was necessary to have an all female audience either, that's not equality, thats pandering!!

[Tom4784]

Celebrating being a woman and how far we've come since we got the vote isn't a war on men

Exactly, the attitude that it is kinda embodies the stereotypical attitude that men believe everything revolves around them and if it doesn't they'll see it as an attack on themselves.

'Oh? The theme is about female empowerment and celebrating the anniversary of the right to vote? But what about meeeeeeeee!?'

[Cherry Christmas]

I kind of like that coat. Am I strange?

The coat itself was fine, did she wear pink because of its association with females, it felt like it :think:

[chuff me dizzy]

I haven't watched the launch, it will all be rehashed tonight in the hls so will watch it then, just flicked over for the last 15 minutes, I didn't think it was necessary to have an all female audience either, that's not equality, thats pandering!!

Sheer stupidity !!

[Livia]

The coat itself was fine, did she wear pink because of its association with females, it felt like it :think:

I guess she did... it didn't occur to me though.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Exactly, the attitude that it is kinda embodies the stereotypical attitude that men believe everything revolves around them and if it doesn't they'll see it as an attack on themselves.

'Oh? The theme is about female empowerment and celebrating the anniversary of the right to vote? But what about meeeeeeeee!?'

I just don't see the issue, getting the vote was a major historical thing for women and society in general and should be celebrated, i don't know why some people are trying to make it about something it isn't

[Livia]

Exactly, the attitude that it is kinda embodies the stereotypical attitude that men believe everything revolves around them and if it doesn't they'll see it as an attack on themselves.

'Oh? The theme is about female empowerment and celebrating the anniversary of the right to vote? But what about meeeeeeeee!?'

Great post...

[Jamie89]

I just don't see the issue, getting the vote was a major historical thing for women and society in general and should be celebrated, i don't know why some people are trying to make it about something it isn't

This. I do think some people are kind of missing the point with all of this. It's not about saying women are superior, it's celebrating something specific that happened in our history (which only needed to happen in the first place because men were seen as superior). If you want to be angry at any part of this be angry about that being our history. The women who fought to change things deserve to be remembered and celebrated, even if it is by way of a crass reality TV show :laugh:

[Robodog]

I think men and women can celebrate that without removing men from the launch and banning them from the crowd.It all just came over abit pretentious and boring tbh.

Exactly.

That's not the approach of equality, it's just another version of gender supremacy but flipped on its head.

Like saying:

'We believe men have had all the power and that's wrong - so now we are going to show how wrong that is - by doing the exact same thing in reverse!'

It's pretty basic and silly. And of course pretty hypocritical.

If you think the idea of one gender holding all the cards is so bad - why do the exact same thing then?

Empty gestures really. It makes out like someting serious is happening but really it's just another BB 'theme'

[rionablue]

Honestly it’s like being back at school “girls are better than boys,boys are better than girls rah rah rah”
Is Big Brother just perpetuating division?

Debate

I liked launch night. I know the girl thing has been done before but I think there is a very diverse mix of women in there so will see how it pans out

[Parmy]

Who was acting like they were hard done by?

Ashley ****ing James hasnt stopped...if it wasnt for having a fake posh voice, it was for being a young chubster...if its not that its her working class background..if its not that its working class people thinking shes posh.....horrid, needy unninteresting fake.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think this theme would have been great in 1988 but in 2017 with a woman PM

:thumbs: way to be relevant BB


:umm2:

(and calling rooms after suffragettes ... wow, dats edgy...)

[Oliver_W]

I think this theme would have been great in 1988 but in 2017 with a woman PM

:thumbs: way to be relevant BB

i'm not sure if this is a joke but i'm guessing you're aware who the PM was in '88

[Christmas Dynasnow]

i'm not sure if this is a joke but i'm guessing you're aware who the PM was in '88

exactly so that is my point

that would have been the time for this but now its like "we need a theme" and some 20 year old twit who reads cosmo came up with this pish

[Nicky91]

there was no CBB in 88 ;)

[ChristmasNeeve]

Exactly.

That's not the approach of equality, it's just another version of gender supremacy but flipped on its head.

Like saying:

'We believe men have had all the power and that's wrong - so now we are going to show how wrong that is - by doing the exact same thing in reverse!'

It's pretty basic and silly. And of course pretty hypocritical.

If you think the idea of one gender holding all the cards is so bad - why do the exact same thing then?

Empty gestures really. It makes out like someting serious is happening but really it's just another BB 'theme'

Not when it's done in remembrance of something so specific and momentous as women being able to vote though

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Not when it's done in remembrance of something so specific and momentous as women being able to vote though

what by naming a room after one woman who they googled?

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think this theme would have been great in 1988 but in 2017 with a woman PM

:thumbs: way to be relevant BB


:umm2:

(and calling rooms after suffragettes ... wow, dats edgy...)

It's because it's the 100 year anniversary of women getting the vote though, that's a big mile stone, it's a celebration of how far women have come but alot of people on here are trying to make it about something else altogether

[Parmy]

Not when it's done in remembrance of something so specific and momentous as women being able to vote though

Should be celebrating the men who gave them it as well then...they are the real heroes here.

[ChristmasNeeve]

what by naming a room after one woman who they googled?

By having an all female launch and audience also :hee: It's Big Brother what else did you expect them to do?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

this is why we need The Truth to talk about why men suffered far more at work due to conditions etc than any woman did by not voting

He would have loved this theme

[bots]

Not when it's done in remembrance of something so specific and momentous as women being able to vote though

I think its a contrived and tacky theme that insults the efforts and achievements 100 years ago. It trivialises their achievements

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think its a contrived and tacky theme that insults the efforts and achievements 100 years ago. It trivialises their achievements

Listen, I can go to a Polling station and vote as can my daughter, nothing trivialises that

[ChristmasNeeve]

this is why we need The Truth to talk about why men suffered far more at work due to conditions etc than any woman did by not voting

He would have loved this theme

Oh Bloody hell, thank jebus for small mercies :skull:

[bots]

Listen, I can go to a Polling station and vote as can my daughter, nothing trivialises that

and really, please tell me how this BB is furthering that cause, I don't see it.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Should be celebrating the men who gave them it as well then...they are the real heroes here.

:laugh2: sure thing

[ChristmasNeeve]

and really, please tell me how this BB is furthering that cause, I don't see it.

I never said it was?

[Parmy]

Only women over 30 were allowed to vote in 1918 anyway...it took another 10 years until over 21s were anle too.......bb should have waited until the sisters all became one...and done this in 2028

[ChristmasNeeve]

Only women over 30 were allowed to vote in 1918 anyway...it took another 10 years until over 21s were anle too.......bb should have waited until the sisters all became one...and done this in 2028

They can do it again then :hee:

[Jamie89]

and really, please tell me how this BB is furthering that cause, I don't see it.

It's not meant to further any cause, it's just celebrating something that happened in history.

[Parmy]

They can do it again then :hee:

Women will have evolved into having cocks by then.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Women will have evolved into having cocks by then.

Good to see male superiority is alive and well :laugh:

[Parmy]

Male superiority.....More made up words to appease women....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Male superiority.....More made up words to appease women....

Well no, that's just two words that I stuck together in reply to your statement about women wanting cocks for some reason, implying we're not happy with being women, that would suggest you think men are superior?

[Livia]

Listen, I can go to a Polling station and vote as can my daughter, nothing trivialises that

Exactly. And I've not seen anything else highlighting this anniversary, so frankly what ever Big Brother does is a step up. And from what I can see it's mostly men saying it's trivial and worthless anyway.

[Livia]

Male superiority.....More made up words to appease women....

That's not it. Try Five thousand years of male superiority. That's the truth. So if someone wants to have a bit of a celebration on Big Brother, good for them.

[Livia]

Only women over 30 were allowed to vote in 1918 anyway...it took another 10 years until over 21s were anle too.......bb should have waited until the sisters all became one...and done this in 2028

Small steps.

[Parmy]

Well no, that's just two words that I stuck together in reply to your statement about women wanting cocks for some reason, implying we're not happy with being women, that would suggest you think men are superior?

I never said they wanted cocks though.

[Vicky.]

Celebrating being a woman and how far we've come since we got the vote isn't a war on men

Indeed.

I don't understand why so many guys are up in arms about this tbh.

[Vicky.]

Anyway, its all good. I expect a bloke will win. As so many blokes (and women actually seemingly) are butthurt over the launch that they will spend a lot to make sure a female does not win. Maybe this was the real idea behind it :D

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I dont think women should be allowed to vote on any reality shows as they fck them all up with their thirst


can i get an amen?

[Livia]

Indeed.

I don't understand why so many guys are up in arms about this tbh.

I'm a bit shocked too, to be honest.

[Parmy]

That's not it. Try Five thousand years of male superiority. That's the truth. So if someone wants to have a big of a celebration on Big Brother, good for them.

Thats fair enough, but emma going on last night about sisterhood etc etc..not once asking a hm if they may fall out and argue...makes a mockery of it all cause its not all rosey when a group of women live with eachother in the bb house...infact its probably a stand out that women have caused most of the friction we have seen in bb in the past....

Im all for the idea, but to make it out to be something it isnt regarding the togetherness etc just didnt work for me.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I never said they wanted cocks though.

Oh so evolving for women means growing a cock? well that really really scream male superiority then :laugh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Indeed.

I don't understand why so many guys are up in arms about this tbh.



carpets wont hoover themselves


:fist:

[Livia]

Thats fair enough, but emma going on last night about sisterhood etc etc..not once asking a hm if they may fall out and argue...makes a mockery of it all cause its not all rosey when a group of women live with eachother in the bb house...infact its probably a stand out that women have caused most of the friction we have seen in bb in the past....

Im all for the idea, but to make it out to be something it isnt regarding the togetherness etc just didnt work for me.

Yeah, it's Big Brother though. It was never going to be Women's Hour.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Thats fair enough, but emma going on last night about sisterhood etc etc..not once asking a hm if they may fall out and argue...makes a mockery of it all cause its not all rosey when a group of women live with eachother in the bb house...infact its probably a stand out that women have caused most of the friction we have seen in bb in the past....

Im all for the idea, but to make it out to be something it isnt regarding the togetherness etc just didnt work for me.

I don't know about that, the male HMs have been just as argumentative imo especially on CBB

[Parmy]

I don't know about that, the male HMs have been just as argumentative imo especially on CBB

Come on....thats just not true.

[Livia]

Stephen Bear.

That is all.

[Vicky.]

Stephen Bear.

That is all.

:joker:

[Parmy]

Stephen Bear.

That is all.

Charley
Channelle
The girl with the red hat on first night
Fight night...
Bloody bit on the sidegate
Brapp brapp woman

Bored now...but im guessing theres about the same again......

[Parmy]

Old witch and horse face last year

[Livia]

Charley
Channelle
The girl with the red hat on first night
Fight night...
Bloody bit on the sidegate
Brapp brapp woman

Bored now...but im guessing theres about the same again......

You think that little list compares to the irritation factor of Bear?

Good grief man...

[Livia]

Old witch and horse face last year

What did you call me?

[Vicky.]

Charley
Channelle
The girl with the red hat on first night
Fight night...
Bloody bit on the sidegate
Brapp brapp woman

Bored now...but im guessing theres about the same again......

Main people Victor, Jason, Nadia and Emma. 3 male people and 1 female. Hmm. Not the best example of females being more argumentative :joker:

[Vicky.]

If I had a list of every BB housemate, I bet it would be near 50/50 for argumentative sexes. Just women are judged more harshly for it. Dare I say...sexism?!

[Parmy]

Main people Victor, Jason, Nadia and Emma. 3 male people and 1 female. Hmm. Not the best example of females being more argumentative :joker:

I remember jason and victor removing themselves from the situ...a woman got thrown out..

I cant see your counter argument working this time....

[Vicky.]

I remember jason and victor removing themselves from the situ...a woman got thrown out..

I cant see your counter argument working this time....

What!:joker: I really think you need to watch it again.

Emma was thrown our for spitting at someone and racism IIRC. I thought the decision was wrong at the time from what we saw, but apparently a lot was cut and when the full story is there, it was definitely the right decision

[Livia]

I am truly shocked to see you so upset over this, parmnion.

[Parmy]

I am truly shocked to see you so upset over this, parmnion.

Blame emma.

[Livia]

Blame emma.

No, I love Emma. Not in a gay way...

[Vicky.]

No, I love Emma. Not in a gay way...

I love Emma in a gay way :laugh: Not been with a woman for like 15 years now but my god I would leave my husband in an instant for Emma, or Emmas husband actually. Love them both :laugh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

i loved emmas jacket last night


:worry:

[Livia]

I love Emma in a gay way :laugh: Not been with a woman for like 15 years now but my god I would leave my husband in an instant for Emma, or Emmas husband actually. Love them both :laugh:

Vicky LOL...

Emma has the most beautiful eyes.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Come on....thats just not true.

Andrew Stone, Pete Burns, Coolio, Bear, Spencer Pratt etc etc off the top of my head

[ChristmasNeeve]

If I had a list of every BB housemate, I bet it would be near 50/50 for argumentative sexes. Just women are judged more harshly for it. Dare I say...sexism?!

When men are being "bitchy" they're basically called a woman so taking the heat off men cos men aren't bitchy by nature of course so therefore the man is behaving like a woman, that's why it's always made out to be a womans trait. In reality, there are argumentative people in both sexes

[Denver]

Main people Victor, Jason, Nadia and Emma. 3 male people and 1 female. Hmm. Not the best example of females being more argumentative :joker:

Wrong pronoun for Nadia

[Vicky.]

Wrong pronoun for Nadia

I used no pronoun. So nope. Pronouns are he and she...and apparently ze zir and a load of other bollocks made up words

[bots]

i may get branded sexist for saying this but ....:worry:

in my experience, its fairly common for there to be loud, aggressive, drunk males, shooting their mouths off, its not pleasant, but its not uncommon.

For me personally, I just haven't had the same exposure to woman doing that around me, so if I see a man doing it on the TV i think what a twat, if I see a woman doing it I find it much more shocking, purely because its not what I'm used to, so I find it very uncomfortable viewing, and of course it sticks in the memory more

So for me, its not about judging more harshly at all, its just for me at least a much rarer experience

[Parmy]

No, I love Emma. Not in a gay way...

It was more her presenting style again...very nearly had me switching off..

[Vicky.]

i may get branded sexist for saying this but ....:worry:

in my experience, its fairly common for there to be loud, aggressive, drunk males, shooting their mouths off, its not pleasant, but its not uncommon.

For me personally, I just haven't had the same exposure to woman doing that around me, so if I see a man doing it on the TV i think what a twat, if I see a woman doing it I find it much more shocking, purely because its not what I'm used to, so I find it very uncomfortable viewing, and of course it sticks in the memory more

So for me, its not about judging more harshly at all, its just for me at least a much rarer experience

Yeah this is a very honest reply. Thanks for that. yes it might stick in the mind more as its rarer for women to behave that way (in everyday life). SO maybe it was unfair to say that people who think this are just judging women more harshly, as its not a conscious thing :)