The Modding/Infraction system on this site

[Smithy]

So before this starts don’t start posting in here complaining about your infractions (unless it’s a relevant example to the topic I guess) and such that’s not the point of this thread :nono:

And mods dont close it straight away bc it’s meant to be an open discussion and not a dictatorship of a forum :nono:

Anyway, on topic :hee: it’s been brought up numerous times but I’m gonna bring it up again because something needs to be done on the site bc it drives members away.

WHY is there no set infraction system on the site? for years now infractions are handed out by mods with zero consistancy at all and as much as mods will say they have no bias, it’s quite blatant that there is and always will be, on top of that there is no appeal system and whenever I personally have replied to an infraction I have never received a response and I imagine many members are in the same boat.

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t, it’d completely rule out any accusation of bias because it’d be there in black and white as to what is against the rules. It seems like atm there’s far too much of a grey area where depending on who the mod is they can decide what to infract and what rule they want to relate it to.

On top of that, I’m not too sure why there is such secrecy around infractions, thinking about it more it seems that the less secrecy around it the less people can complain because it’s there for everyone to see, surely if everyone could see who got infracted for what and how many points were handed out, nobody could ever claim it was unfair because everyone could see it (this idea has only just come to me now it wasn’t an original part of the thread but yes let’s do an infraction list similar to a ban list), so for example if member A calls member B a twat and gets a one point infraction and then member C calls member B a silly billy and gets a 5 point infraction, everyone could see the blatant bias in the modding.


So yes, that’s me two cents, keep it RELEVANT please ladies :nono:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i mean

my latest infraction was for commenting on a picture that was posted in a music thread

i thought that was beyond ridiculous and i actually messaged the mods about it but didn’t even get a reply so

[Marsh.]

I didn't think they worked points like that. It was just so many individual infractions added up to a ban?

[Smithy]

I didn't think they worked points like that. It was just so many individual infractions added up to a ban?

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction :shrug:

[Marsh.]

I would certainly like to know why calling out an ignorant member for an ignorant comment is member insult but calling out a racist member isn't?

[Marsh.]

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction :shrug:
Ah right. See when they changed it I assumed they'd removed the points system to make it simpler.

But they just removed members ability to see the number of points they received.

Not strange at all. :idc:

[Smithy]

Ah right. See when they changed it I assumed they'd removed the points system to make it simpler.

But they just removed members ability to see the number of points they received.

Not strange at all. :idc:

Exactly


Marsh’s passive aggressiveness aside :eyes: removing members ability to see the number of points handed out just means that mods can do as they please and as much as they all say “it’s a team, it’s discussed” it an admin overruled and said no this is what’s happening, it’s not like they’re going to argue the point :shrug:

[Jay.]

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

[Marsh.]

My aggression isn't passive! :oh:

It's on a boil wash! :rant:

[Amy Jade]

I've found messaging a mod outside the infraction works for me (Usually Niamh or Dezzy, sorry guys :D)

I do wish there was a better way to appeal though, I normally feel quite bad bothering people to deal with my issue.

[BBUK-Fan]

Here here

[Firewire]

I think removing the reporting posts feature would help a lot

[Firewire]

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

Masala Masood? :skull:

[Rob!]

A bit of feedback on the reports we give wouldn't go amiss tbh. This on season especially has been horrendous for unacceptable comments and it doesn't seem to have altered at all.

[Smithy]

I think removing the reporting posts feature would help a lot

Why?

[Firewire]

Why?

Because it'll stop me getting infracted!

[Denver]

I do think mods protect some posters.

Also they say contact if you have questions about your Infraction but they get ignored

[Smithy]

Because it'll stop me getting infracted!

:joker:

[Vicky.]

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t,

because it makes no sense to do it this way. Context is often important . Like, if we had it set so that everytime someone called someone else an idiot it was an infraction, fair enough. But then in the chat thread, there would be a bunch given out per day and we would still be in the wrong :shrug:

There is a set system also in a way. There are set points for each thing. But its impossible to moderate a forum like this with completely set rules..I mean lets think of a random example that we could have for total consistency with no thinking of the context or anything else. Racism = instant ban. Seems fair enough. But some people would class saying the N word was racism (hopefully all would think this). Some would class saying immigration needs to be controlled as racism. So even then, someone has to use their judgement to if the comment is actually racist or not

Insults are either a warning, 1 point, 3 points, 5 points, or we can chose to ban outright depending on the severity. Would you really prefer every single post that could be perceived as an insult to have 5 points or something? I think..be careful what you wish for with that one tbh :laugh:

[Vicky.]

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction :shrug:

You already know why this was. People used to be able to see how many points they had, and they would post about how they infractions had all expired so they were going to insult people, then when they got close to a ban again they would calm down purposely until one expired, then start again. Basically its this way, as people abused it. Like the appeals section.

I will reply to most messages about infractions. Though I do tend to ignore it if people just send me a huge rant, or if its extremely clear why they got one but they are trying to pretend its not.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

[Denver]

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban?

[Vicky.]

Exactly


Marsh’s passive aggressiveness aside :eyes: removing members ability to see the number of points handed out just means that mods can do as they please and as much as they all say “it’s a team, it’s discussed” it an admin overruled and said no this is what’s happening, it’s not like they’re going to argue the point :shrug:

Not entirely sure what this means? Admin do overule us sometimes, and no, its total paranoia to even think that we just do as we please tbh. Has been said before but every single infraction given out automatically creates its own discussion thread in the mod section. So everything we do is pretty transparent behind the scenes (by the way, I see no reason for members to 'police' us as has been mentioned, admin do just fine) and quite often we will challenge each other if we feel one is too harsh or too soft. Sometimes admin will step in also.

I see no reason at all for it to be public which members have had infractions. besides satisfying your noseyness :joker:

[Niamh.]

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?No only James and Josy see those I think

[Ashley.]

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. :shrug: If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

so WHY was i ignored was it bc y’all knew i was in the right and just wanted to brush the whole thing under the rug?

https://i.imgur.com/hSCvxsQ.gif

[Vicky.]

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

No. James and Josy get tibbstaff messages. I used to also but it seems to not send them to me now. Josy has been away for a while. I think I remember James commenting on that actually in admin. But it was decided that it would stand, so I assume thats why you did not get an answer, or because James forgot after posting in the infraction thread. Can bring it up that even if the decision is not going to be reversed, and answer should still be given? Problem there is, so many people just send in totally random rants as replies to infractions, and it would be a huge pain in the arse for admin to send replies to every single moan.

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban?

That will have been a mistake. The system is weird, when we reverse the infractions I think it should automatically reverse bans as..that makes sense. But it doesn't and whoever reversed it will have just overlooked that. Did you not message again?

[Niamh.]

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban? if you reverse an infraction it doesn't unban you automatically, that has to be done separately so whoever did it must have forgot to unban you. I can't check it right now though because I'm on my phone

[Marsh.]

I'm sorry but a rule like "No name calling" being in place and there also being context so like Scott and Smithy calling each other slags would not warrant an infraction when they're pissing about in the chat thread. Versus someone saying it in serious debates. That's just common sense.

That's not a reason to not have any actual structure imo. :shrug:

[Denver]

That will have been a mistake. The system is weird, when we reverse the infractions I think it should automatically reverse bans as..that makes sense. But it doesn't and whoever reversed it will have just overlooked that. Did you not message again?

I messaged the robot but was ignored

[Marsh.]

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. :shrug: If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.
That's not the point though when you know what you're saying is within the rules but will be infracted. OR, more common, a different poster who said similar wouldn't have their posts removed.

[Marsh.]

But I've debated this stuff so much I got bored of it like ages ago. So... nothing will change so what's the point.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

also maybe slightly off topic but i got infracted for posting that pepe meme where he has his dick out yet i’ve seen people post actual nudity :skull:

this is the pic i was referring to btw i’m not posting it to bait so don’t infract me please

https://i.imgur.com/aN1uX0o.jpg

idk i feel attacked

[Niamh.]

I messaged the robot but was ignoredProbably better off to message a mod in future

[Denver]

I was also Infracted for saying i thought a forum member was older then they said and it wasnt even in a nasty way like how is that fair

[Marsh.]

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot" :laugh2:


Salman returns: I've been banned for SIX YEARS!!!!

Mod: Josy's been really busy she forgot to change it to six days. Chill!

[Vicky.]

I'm sorry but a rule like "No name calling" being in place and there also being context so like Scott and Smithy calling each other slags would not warrant an infraction when they're pissing about in the chat thread. Versus someone saying it in serious debates. That's just common sense.

That's not a reason to not have any actual structure imo. :shrug:

But thats already challenging the consistency you claim you want?

Basically this sounds a bit like..mod other people harshly but not me and my friends. Which is usually whats meant by these threads.

If blanket rules were made up, blanket rules apply across the board. To everyone. In every thread.

Hence needing context to matter

[Jay.]

Masala Masood? :skull:

That would be it, yes :hmph:

[Vicky.]

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot"

Yeah **** this. Smithy I was willing to answer your questions in this thread but theres no point at all as I can already see where this is going. Just yet another let say the mods are crap and such. I genuinely am so close to being done with modding this site.

[Niamh.]

There's an awful lot of "They must have forgot" :laugh2:


Salman returns: I've been banned for SIX YEARS!!!!

Mod: Josy's been really busy she forgot to change it to six days. Chill!Are you serious? bloody hell, terribly sorry we're only humans who do this s**t for nothing [emoji23]

[Jordan.]

I haven't had an infraction since 2010 when she used to be popular

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar13520_127.gif

[Marsh.]

But thats already challenging the consistency you claim you want?

Basically this sounds a bit like..mod other people harshly but not me and my friends. Which is usually whats meant by these threads.

If blanket rules were made up, blanket rules apply across the board. To everyone. In every thread.

Hence needing context to matter
No it's not.

It's the difference between two people having a laugh and someone insulting another member in a serious debate.

The idea of a rule being "members must not call other members a twat" is ridiculous as there's a million contexts in which this would happen.

Friends messing about, however, doesn't fall under "don't insult other members".

[Marsh.]

Also I remember a time when avoiding the swear filter earned infractions. I guess mods just admitted defeat with that one? [emoji23]

[Marsh.]

Are you serious? bloody hell, terribly sorry we're only humans who do this s**t for nothing [emoji23]
Omg it was a joke you silly girl! :fist:

[Smithy]

because it makes no sense to do it this way. Context is often important . Like, if we had it set so that everytime someone called someone else an idiot it was an infraction, fair enough. But then in the chat thread, there would be a bunch given out per day and we would still be in the wrong :shrug:


But common sense has to be used, especially in C&G if people are clearly joking then you obviously wouldn’t infract someone, for example the other day in my birthday thread (dezzy I think) said happy birthday you slag (or something along those lines) it’s quite obviously a joke, unless somebody explicitly complains or it’s reported or leads to an argument then you can’t really compare the two
]
There is a set system also in a way. There are set points for each thing. But its impossible to moderate a forum like this with completely set rules..I mean lets think of a random example that we could have for total consistency with no thinking of the context or anything else. Racism = instant ban. Seems fair enough. But some people would class saying the N word was racism (hopefully all would think this). Some would class saying immigration needs to be controlled as racism. So even then, someone has to use their judgement to if the comment is actually racist or not
But again, surely that just comes down to common sense, it doesn’t take a genius to see what is racist or not, that being said or not, why not using the warning system to remind members that certain points such as the one you mentioned could be perceived as racist by others, but again, only if it has offended someone, or somebody has reported the post

Insults are either a warning, 1 point, 3 points, 5 points, or we can chose to ban outright depending on the severity. Would you really prefer every single post that could be perceived as an insult to have 5 points or something? I think..be careful what you wish for with that one tbh :laugh:
No I really do think that there should be a flat out one point system, this is the rules (excluded irrelevant ones) from a different site I post on, and I’ve never once seen anyone complain about the system because it’s fair

Penalties

Reminders are warnings with no points attached. These are issued to new members, for first time offenses and content that isn’t severe enough to receive a full warning.
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Warnings are points issued to members that break the rules. Points accumulate and expire over a period of time depending on the violation. Accumulated points will result in a ban from the forum after reaching a certain limit.*You can view your warnings in your profile.
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14 Day Ban — Occurs when member reaches 5 active warning points, or gets warned when they already have 5 active warning points.*(Currently inactive due to issue with forum software)
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60 Day Ban — Occurs when member reaches 10 active warning points, or gets warned when they already have 10 active warning points. (Important Note: This ban may take effect even with expired points; see this thread for clarification)

Abrasive — 1 point, expires in 60 days
Your comment was rude and/or hurtful to other members or staff.*
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Disruptive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You did one of the following:
- Spammed gifs/images/smileys/random keys
- Posted a pointless thread or too many times in a row
- Intentionally used a fake, misleading or attention-seeking thread title
- Used all caps in a thread title or capitalized one or more words for the sole purpose of hyping the thread
- Bumped one or more old threads for no reason
- Posted in a language other than English when the thread did not call for it
- Typed or formatted your posts in a disruptive or annoying style
- Participated in disruptive group behavior
- Intentionally fooled the profanity censor
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Flamebait — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You started a thread or posted a reply that just seems to be fishing for an argument, or you perpetuated an argument by quoting such posts.
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Insensitive — 1 point, expires in 60 days
You posted something disturbing or highly polarizing with no concern for other people’s feelings.
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Vulgar — 1 point, expires in 60 days
You posted sexually suggestive content.
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Spoiler — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You posted information that gives away major plot details of a movie, TV show, book or video game. For more information on this, see the Entertainment guidelines.*
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Personal Attack — 2 points, expires in 90 days
You personally attacked another member, viciously and/or repeatedly, on the forum or on their wall.

File Share Request — 1 point, never expires
You requested a link to an illegal download or an illegal download website, either directly or by hinting at it.
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Graphic — 2 points, expires in 90 days
You posted content of a highly violent, discomforting or sexual nature.
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Offensive — 2 points, expires in 1 year
You posted something racist, homophobic, or otherwise discriminatory.
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Explicit — 2 points, expires in 1 year
You posted a sexually or violently explicit image or your profile info contains sexually or violently explicit content.
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Duplicate — 1+ points, 3 month ban, never expires
We’ve discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.
You already know why this was. People used to be able to see how many points they had, and they would post about how they infractions had all expired so they were going to insult people, then when they got close to a ban again they would calm down purposely until one expired, then start again. Basically its this way, as people abused it. Like the appeals section.

It’s the same now though, people can still see when their infractions expire and it doesn’t take a genius to see if you have three outstanding infractions then you’ll be, less inflammatory let’s say to reduce the risk of you getting infractions, The fact is, before the points system was removed from view, members still got banned, so clearly that logic is faulted :shrug:

[Niamh.]

No it's not.

It's the difference between two people having a laugh and someone insulting another member in a serious debate.

The idea of a rule being "members must not call other members a twat" is ridiculous as there's a million contexts in which this would happen.

Friends messing about, however, doesn't fall under "don't insult other members".But we're then expected to know who is friends with who at a particular time, I've often read posts in the chat thread thinking 2 people are having a laugh and then 2 minutes later one of them is reporting the other one for insults

[Niamh.]

Omg it was a joke you silly girl! :fist:See what I mean though, you were joking, I thought you were serious [emoji23]

[Smithy]

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. :shrug: If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.
But as people have said, they’ve been infracted for things that they didn’t think was intractable

Yeah **** this. Smithy I was willing to answer your questions in this thread but theres no point at all as I can already see where this is going. Just yet another let say the mods are crap and such. I genuinely am so close to being done with modding this site.

Wat

[Smithy]

This isn’t me attacking anyone, this is me just trying to make a fairer system :umm2:

[Smithy]

Martin Luther King realness

[Rob!]

This is what Smithy was like at Boots. Mincing around, causing trouble :nono:

[Smithy]

This is what Smithy was like at Boots. Mincing around, causing trouble :nono:

Actually I was in charge and it was very smooth sailing :idc:

[Denver]

That is not what Trip Advisor says :fan:

[T*]

tripadvisor is where you review pharmacies?

[Jay.]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HU6w7eoB7woHXnq/giphy.gif

(i do like the idea of the points though)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

This is what Smithy was like at Boots. Mincing around, causing trouble :nono:

Actually I was in charge and it was very smooth sailing :idc:

That is not what Trip Advisor says :fan:

tripadvisor is where you review pharmacies?

AAADFFDDFD :joker:

[Denver]

You can review anywhere you go on there

[Cal.]

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction :shrug:

Surely not knowing how many points you have makes it harder for you to be like 'hmm well I have 4 points until I'm banned for a day so I could risk getting a 1 point infraction to call LeatherTrumpet a twat'

[RileyH]

Surely not knowing how many points you have makes it harder for you to be like 'hmm well I have 4 points until I'm banned for a day so I could risk getting a 1 point infraction to call LeatherTrumpet a twat'

:laugh2:

[Cal.]

Idk if I made much sense then but basically knowing your own infraction points would just allow you to plan when you're gonna be a bitch which sounds lovely for us but would be awful for the mods!

[Smithy]

Surely not knowing how many points you have makes it harder for you to be like 'hmm well I have 4 points until I'm banned for a day so I could risk getting a 1 point infraction to call LeatherTrumpet a twat'

Idk if I made much sense then but basically knowing your own infraction points would just allow you to plan when you're gonna be a bitch which sounds lovely for us but would be awful for the mods!

Well, that’s what Vicky said, however that’s how it used to be and people would still be banned, the only difference was people could see how many points they were getting per infraction, which was fairer

[Cal.]

Oh sorry I've only just read through I just wanted to quickly give my two cents because I'm so gobby!

[Niamh.]

Idk if I made much sense then but basically knowing your own infraction points would just allow you to plan when you're gonna be a bitch which sounds lovely for us but would be awful for the mods!Yep

[Mokka]

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

This is still my most favourite night in the chat thread :flutter:

[Mokka]

Anyway, on topic :hee: it’s been brought up numerous times but I’m gonna bring it up again because something needs to be done on the site bc it drives members away.

WHY is there no set infraction system on the site? for years now infractions are handed out by mods with zero consistancy at all and as much as mods will say they have no bias, it’s quite blatant that there is and always will be, on top of that there is no appeal system and whenever I personally have replied to an infraction I have never received a response and I imagine many members are in the same boat.

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t, it’d completely rule out any accusation of bias because it’d be there in black and white as to what is against the rules. It seems like atm there’s far too much of a grey area where depending on who the mod is they can decide what to infract and what rule they want to relate it to.


Thanks Smithy... couldn't have summed it up better :clap1:

[Jordan.]

Who has the infraction system driven away apart from a few racist oldies? if anything that's a reason to keep it how it is :flutter:

[Smithy]

Who has the infraction system driven away apart from a few racist oldies? if anything that's a reason to keep it how it is :flutter:

Well clearly from above...Mokka, people don’t like coming onto a site where it isn’t moderated prooperly and people are allowed to spout bile, look how long it took before the truth got banned

[Denver]

Bring back Kirk.

But in all fairness like 4 or 5 long term members walked away/limited their time on the site last year

[Marsh.]

But we're then expected to know who is friends with who at a particular time, I've often read posts in the chat thread thinking 2 people are having a laugh and then 2 minutes later one of them is reporting the other one for insults
Well then they're obviously not mates.

Maybe it depends on the person but I can always tell when it crosses from banter to arguing. [emoji23]

[Marsh.]

See what I mean though, you were joking, I thought you were serious [emoji23]
Well obviously Josy isn't going to accidentally ban someone for 6 years and not 6 days you silly. [emoji23]

[Smithy]

Thanks Smithy... couldn't have summed it up better :clap1:

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar13520_127.gif

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

remember kirk’s cover of hurt by johnny cash

[Marsh.]

Surely not knowing how many points you have makes it harder for you to be like 'hmm well I have 4 points until I'm banned for a day so I could risk getting a 1 point infraction to call LeatherTrumpet a twat'
:laugh2:

[Denver]

remember kirk’s cover of hurt by johnny cash

Shame he never got a #1 single

[Niamh.]

Well obviously Josy isn't going to accidentally ban someone for 6 years and not 6 days you silly. [emoji23]I was talking about the first part of your post :hmph:

[Marsh.]

I was talking about the first part of your post :hmph:
I might've been serious. :smug:

TiBB will not stand for forgetful mods.

Although I guess I'm in a really great position in that it's impossible to forget about me. :flutter:

[thesheriff443]

Mods are members too, they did not start out as mods, like the police they do a thankless job and people are always ready to have a dig at them.

[Niamh.]

Mods are members too, they did not start out as mods, like the police they do a thankless job and people are always ready to have a dig at them.:love:

[Jordan.]

Well clearly from above...Mokka, people don’t like coming onto a site where it isn’t moderated prooperly and people are allowed to spout bile, look how long it took before the truth got banned

And what better way of stopping people spouting bile than having a system that allows them to know how far they can push their luck :think: I think the real problem with those people "leaving" is that they hate not getting their own way.

[Smithy]

And what better way of stopping people spouting bile than having a system that allows them to know how far they can push their luck :think: I think the real problem with those people "leaving" is that they hate not getting their own way.

Well not really, as I’ve said before, people still got banned under the old system it’s not like everybody stopped being arsehole just because they were close to a ban, that appears to just be the excuse given to justify changing the system.

Well clearly the current system doesn’t work, so why not try something different? Set rules that show what will lead to infractions and bans can’t be argued against, and it’s not about pushing your luck? It’s about breaking the rules

[Marsh.]

Is that why it changed?

They didn't like people knowing they could get away with one or two comments, they want us fearful that any comment at any moment could lead to a ban? :laugh:

It's like Don't Wake Dad, that board game. :worry:

*creeps past Niamh to get to the fridge*

[Smithy]

Is that why it changed?

They didn't like people knowing they could get away with one or two comments, they want us fearful that any comment at any moment could lead to a ban? :laugh:

It's like Don't Wake Dad, that board game. :worry:

*creeps past Niamh to get to the fridge*

Apparently so!

[Gstar]

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why

No one ever replies to those messages :laugh: been trying since 2013. Pretty sure I posted Gl0rangu in the reply as a test one time but still no luck

[Withano]

All but one of mine have been fair... but I agree, I dont think we should see the points.

I would say that 'baiting' is the most hazy rulebreak. There are two members who basically only bait, yet its hard to believe they get pulled up on that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All but one of mine have been fair... but I agree, I dont think we should see the points.

I would say that 'baiting' is the most hazy rulebreak. There are two members who basically only bait, yet its hard to believe they get pulled up on that.

:oh:

[Ashley.]

No one ever replies to those messages :laugh: been trying since 2013. Pretty sure I posted Gl0rangu in the reply as a test one time but still no luck

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

what if you get infracted for baiting and the reason for the infraction is actually in a baiting tone?

[Cherie]

what is you get infracted for baiting and the reason for the infraction is actually in a baiting tone?

:joker:

[Cherie]

No one ever replies to those messages :laugh: been trying since 2013. Pretty sure I posted Gl0rangu in the reply as a test one time but still no luck

:joker: infract ha

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mods are members too, they did not start out as mods, like the police they do a thankless job and people are always ready to have a dig at them.

Yes the mods remind me a lot of US law enforcement Officers

Especially Dezzy as I always see him dressed as Eric Estrada from CHIPS when he posts

[thesheriff443]

Yes the mods remind me a lot of US law enforcement Officers

Especially Dezzy as I always see him dressed as Eric Estrada from CHIPS when he posts

You and your fantasys

[Kazanne]

All but one of mine have been fair... but I agree, I dont think we should see the points.

I would say that 'baiting' is the most hazy rulebreak. There are two members who basically only bait, yet its hard to believe they get pulled up on that.

Your quite good at fishing yourself tbh.

[Marsh.]

Your quite good at fishing yourself tbh.
Reporting for baiting about baiting.

[Jack_]

I think removing the reporting posts feature would help a lot

I know you were joking and I know people think I'm being flippant when I suggest this but these days I'm really not

Just...get rid of it? How about we all just learn to handle ourselves like adults rather than running off to the mods like kids to a teacher? I would much prefer - and think it's a lot healthier - for members to be able to address things and people they disagree with and say what they REALLY think if it gets heated rather than trying to reign it in, which just fosters ill feeling. Let's hash it out. This is the internet, text on a screen, does it really matter if someone is offended? Just give as good as you get.

The way I see it is, so long as threads don't go off-topic too much (which can make the forum messy), so long as people's personal information isn't being used against them, and so long as people aren't making any libellous comments that could get admin into legal trouble, then what other rules do we need?

'It cheapens/spoils the forum' is often used as justification for a lot of rules. Well, let me put it this way...there's a lot of spammy, repetitive, inane or just plain baiting threads that are posted here on a daily basis, and it's those that actually cheapen/spoil the forum and that need dealing with IMO. I'd much rather see two people going at it in a thread over racism than yet another three pager about someone's favourite changing or what Jeremy Corbyn put in the bin last night.

[Vicky.]

I am fairly sure your suggestion would never happen Jack. Also members may say they want that, but in reality what most people want is for them to be able to post what they like, and people they don't like be banned for random crap. So people would be all for no rules, but then someone would call them a twat and they would want that dealt with. I reckon thats how it would go anyway :laugh:

I could be persuaded to be on side for no rules (as such) in the serious debates forum though. We do tend to give a bit more leeway in that section due to the nature of the discussions anyway though.

Mods have actually seriously considered going on a complete strike for a day or so..a couple of years ago when everyone was moaning about moderation and how we either did nothing at all, or were biased against them and let everyone else away with everything (nothing changes :p ). To see how many members really like no rules and basically an unmoderated forum. Also obviously with no modding to allow the spambots that we get all the time to run wild, the multis, the really disgusting posts..all of it. Can't remember why we decided not to do this, I do remember talking about it and being up for it and thinking it would be a decent 'experiment' :laugh: We did a kind of version of this a while ago..when half the forum really hated the other half. We basically left a HUGE argument to run its course without intervening at all and no bans/infractions given. The amount of people who complained about 'the other side' getting away with it (ignoring that pretty much every member that night broke a rule) was insane .

[Withano]

Your quite good at fishing yourself tbh.

I mean. This proves my point quite well. This is literally baiting, so where is the line?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean. This proves my point quite well. This is literally baiting, so where is the line?

you need a hook first..

[thesheriff443]

you need a hook first..

Maggots Or worms ?

[reece(:]

Mods are members too, they did not start out as mods, like the police they do a thankless job and people are always ready to have a dig at them.

:clap1: The mods are unpaid and do a great job considering! The rules are fine as is and prevent users from taking advantage of misbehaving if they are aware of being a far way from a ban.

[Alf]

:clap1: The mods are unpaid and do a great job considering! The rules are fine as is and prevent users from taking advantage of misbehaving if they are aware of being a far way from a ban.Nobody is forcing them to be mods, they can stop anytime.

But they love the power!

[Smithy]

Nobody is forcing them to be mods, they can stop anytime.

But they love the power!

Kind of have to agree with this :laugh: if you don’t like people moaning at you, don’t do the job

[James]

On top of that, I’m not too sure why there is such secrecy around infractions, thinking about it more it seems that the less secrecy around it the less people can complain because it’s there for everyone to see, surely if everyone could see who got infracted for what and how many points were handed out, nobody could ever claim it was unfair because everyone could see it (this idea has only just come to me now it wasn’t an original part of the thread but yes let’s do an infraction list similar to a ban list), so for example if member A calls member B a twat and gets a one point infraction and then member C calls member B a silly billy and gets a 5 point infraction, everyone could see the blatant bias in the modding.


It was changed so that the points are secret - it used to be that people saw the points level. People would just compare infractions points levels for infractions and complain even more.

It's impossible to be 100% consistent with moderating at that micro-level.

i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

No, I look at most (I think) of them. 95% of the time no ever accepts they've done anything wrong - as was the case with the appeals forum - as some people are rude, so I generally it's not worth sharing them. There's not much point responding either, it would just be time-wasting, and going around in circles.

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. :shrug: If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.

It's very easy to avoid infractions. :hehe: If I was just a member on here I wouldn't be getting infractions.

[James]

I know you were joking and I know people think I'm being flippant when I suggest this but these days I'm really not

Just...get rid of it? How about we all just learn to handle ourselves like adults rather than running off to the mods like kids to a teacher? I would much prefer - and think it's a lot healthier - for members to be able to address things and people they disagree with and say what they REALLY think if it gets heated rather than trying to reign it in, which just fosters ill feeling. Let's hash it out. This is the internet, text on a screen, does it really matter if someone is offended? Just give as good as you get.

The way I see it is, so long as threads don't go off-topic too much (which can make the forum messy), so long as people's personal information isn't being used against them, and so long as people aren't making any libellous comments that could get admin into legal trouble, then what other rules do we need?

'It cheapens/spoils the forum' is often used as justification for a lot of rules. Well, let me put it this way...there's a lot of spammy, repetitive, inane or just plain baiting threads that are posted here on a daily basis, and it's those that actually cheapen/spoil the forum and that need dealing with IMO. I'd much rather see two people going at it in a thread over racism than yet another three pager about someone's favourite changing or what Jeremy Corbyn put in the bin last night.

Experience on the forum has shown allowing arguments to go on, or allowing insults, doesn't work. Many people generally don't want to be personally insulted for supporting a housemate or whatever, and are likely to be put off the forum if they get insulted - and that isn't in this forum's best interests. You'll get some people thinking it is alright to insult as a forum weapon, and you'll only be left with those types of members.

Allowing arguments has the effect (in practise) of excluding people from debates.

[arista]

Nobody is forcing them to be mods, they can stop anytime.

But they love the power!


Its not about Power
it is about members not being Rude to other members

I get warnings

TIBB staff are fair.

[hijaxers]

Well i have always found the mods to be helpful so no complaints from me.

[Ashley.]

Experience on the forum has shown allowing arguments to go on, or allowing insults, doesn't work. Many people generally don't want to be personally insulted for supporting a housemate or whatever, and are likely to be put off the forum if they get insulted - and that isn't in this forum's best interests. You'll get some people thinking it is alright to insult as a forum weapon, and you'll only be left with those types of members.

Allowing arguments has the effect (in practise) of excluding people from debates.

I'm against the idea of discontinuing infractions/bans but what you're explaining I feel happens despite the warnings. Once the ban is over, or once the infraction runs out, it's back to the normal routine... We're heading for a forum with only those types of members regardless of whether or not you "allow" arguments and insults to occur.

Like somebody else has mentioned, certain members can go on insulting other members for years before they're banned indefinitely... just look at 'The Truth'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well i have always found the mods to be helpful so no complaints from me.

hi welcome to Tibb :wavey:

I hope this forum lives up to your last one

:fc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm against the idea of discontinuing infractions/bans but what you're explaining I feel happens despite the warnings. Once the ban is over, or once the infraction runs out, it's back to the normal routine... We're heading for a forum with only those types of members regardless of whether or not you "allow" arguments and insults to occur.

Like somebody else has mentioned, certain members can go on insulting other members for years before they're banned indefinitely... just look at 'The Truth'.

The Truth did not insult members?

If he did there were plenty of members with their fingers on the red triangle


his beef was women in general

[Kazanne]

The Truth did not insult members?

If he did there were plenty of members with their fingers on the red triangle


his beef was women in general

Is he banned? I quite liked him didn't agree with some of his views but never saw him insult anyone, was his surname Widdecome? Not Tibb shutting down peoples opinions

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is he banned? I quite liked him didn't agree with some of his views but never saw him insult anyone, was his surname Widdecome? Not Tibb shutting down peoples opinions

Yes he was banned sine die

[Smithy]

It was changed so that the points are secret - it used to be that people saw the points level. People would just compare infractions points levels for infractions and complain even more.

It's impossible to be 100% consistent with moderating at that micro-level.

But do you not think an implementation of more clear rules would mean it would be easier to be consistent with moderating?


No, I look at most (I think) of them. 95% of the time no ever accepts they've done anything wrong - as was the case with the appeals forum - as some people are rude, so I generally it's not worth sharing them. There's not much point responding either, it would just be time-wasting, and going around in circles.

Is that something that could be implemented though? So that all mods receive a reply rather than just yourself?

It's very easy to avoid infractions. :hehe: If I was just a member on here I wouldn't be getting infractions.
You don’t post very often that’s why :smug:
Is he banned? I quite liked him didn't agree with some of his views but never saw him insult anyone, was his surname Widdecome? Not Tibb shutting down peoples opinions

TiBB shutting down, sexist, misogynistic, victim blaming (and after he was banned and decided to make multis) racist and homophonic trash more like

[Ashley.]

The Truth did not insult members?

If he did there were plenty of members with their fingers on the red triangle


his beef was women in general

I'd say a lot, if not all of his threads were created with the intention of insulting members of the forum and to cause an argument. I think the countless accounts he's made since he was banned proves that he was only around to cause trouble.

[Cherie]

Did people take the truth seriously :omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd say a lot, if not all of his threads were created with the intention of insulting members of the forum and to cause an argument. I think the countless accounts he's made since he was banned proves that he was only around to cause trouble.

how do you know what multis he has made

:suspect:

[Niamh.]

Did people take the truth seriously :omgno:Well if he wasnt serious then he was trolling so justified either way

[Crimson Dynamo]

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

[Cherie]

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

:joker:

[Niamh.]

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friendI'll be looking out for new member called LeatherStrumpet :suspect:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'll be looking out for new member called LeatherStrumpet :suspect:

ElleT

[Niamh.]

ElleTMuch more classy

[Maru]

Nah, leave the system as it is. People need to learn to stop responding to simple baits and just use ignore. It's difficult enough to mod a board as clique-y as TiBB... every deletion/mod I think offends one of each of those groups in one way or another and it always seems to come back to over-modding.

The thing I would suggest instead that would help everyone equally, that mods make it a point to post reminders where the discussion is going off-topic for those users to get back to the original OP. If it is a reasonable transition, either lock the thread or split those posts to another one entirely (usually lock first, split, reopen, etc). This will encourage new thread creation and will also make people feel safer about posting true comments, rather than being concerned they will be ****-posted five minutes later for simply having a discussion...

I'm sure quite a bit of it is on purpose, but TiBB threads almost never stay on-topic and this enables the same 6 people to come in with their same pet peeves to derail the discussion and take it a totally different direction. This is a vast majority of where the **** posts come from.

So it's no surprise that there's only the same 3-4 topics of conversation across the entire board, because this rule is not being upheld.

And you know, some threads are just meant for a humane death.. I think give it a page or two to fall apart and when it's getting stupid, lock dat sh*t tight.

[Kazanne]

what if a male member wants to have a female multi like Shane J and Courtney, would not allowing that be a hate crimeophobia?

i am asking for a friend

:joker:

[thesheriff443]

The truth was telling lies about being in a relationship to continue his propaganda, I feel sorry for him to be honest.

[thesheriff443]

On the forum chuff and dezzy are the two members who's strong opinions devide the forum, pyramid was another member who did it as well, that's a compliment not a dig.

[Niamh.]

Nah, leave the system as it is. People need to learn to stop responding to simple baits and just use ignore. It's difficult enough to mod a board as clique-y as TiBB... every deletion/mod I think offends one of each of those groups in one way or another and it always seems to come back to over-modding.

The thing I would suggest instead that would help everyone equally, that mods make it a point to post reminders where the discussion is going off-topic for those users to get back to the original OP. If it is a reasonable transition, either lock the thread or split those posts to another one entirely (usually lock first, split, reopen, etc). This will encourage new thread creation and will also make people feel safer about posting true comments, rather than being concerned they will be ****-posted five minutes later for simply having a discussion...

I'm sure quite a bit of it is on purpose, but TiBB threads almost never stay on-topic and this enables the same 6 people to come in with their same pet peeves to derail the discussion and take it a totally different direction. This is a vast majority of where the **** posts come from.

So it's no surprise that there's only the same 3-4 topics of conversation across the entire board, because this rule is not being upheld.

And you know, some threads are just meant for a humane death.. I think give it a page or two to fall apart and when it's getting stupid, lock dat sh*t tight.

Yes, this kind of thing really applies in SDs more than any other section, we do need to do something about the conversations always ending up back to the same could of topics (Jeremy Corbyn, Trump etc) We've actually been discussing this issue recently so we are hoping to get to some sort of a solution for it

[Maru]

Yes, this kind of thing really applies in SDs more than any other section, we do need to do something about the conversations always ending up back to the same could of topics (Jeremy Corbyn, Trump etc) We've actually been discussing this issue recently so we are hoping to get to some sort of a solution for it

Yeah, I think give the threads back to the OP and create a relatively strong on-topic rule. That way everyone can have whatever conversation they want without it being derailed and the sh*t posts would stay in the more controversial topics (like religion), gives the average user much more breathing room I think to spread their legs instead of being sucked into endless arguments all over the board about the same ol' topics...

I actually think it helps to spot stealth trolls faster too (as a mod) since it is much more difficult to bait when you have to adhere to the original topic itself. Pesky rules. :laugh: