[Smithy]

So before this starts don’t start posting in here complaining about your infractions (unless it’s a relevant example to the topic I guess) and such that’s not the point of this thread

And mods dont close it straight away bc it’s meant to be an open discussion and not a dictatorship of a forum

Anyway, on topic it’s been brought up numerous times but I’m gonna bring it up again because something needs to be done on the site bc it drives members away.

WHY is there no set infraction system on the site? for years now infractions are handed out by mods with zero consistancy at all and as much as mods will say they have no bias, it’s quite blatant that there is and always will be, on top of that there is no appeal system and whenever I personally have replied to an infraction I have never received a response and I imagine many members are in the same boat.

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t, it’d completely rule out any accusation of bias because it’d be there in black and white as to what is against the rules. It seems like atm there’s far too much of a grey area where depending on who the mod is they can decide what to infract and what rule they want to relate it to.

On top of that, I’m not too sure why there is such secrecy around infractions, thinking about it more it seems that the less secrecy around it the less people can complain because it’s there for everyone to see, surely if everyone could see who got infracted for what and how many points were handed out, nobody could ever claim it was unfair because everyone could see it (this idea has only just come to me now it wasn’t an original part of the thread but yes let’s do an infraction list similar to a ban list), so for example if member A calls member B a twat and gets a one point infraction and then member C calls member B a silly billy and gets a 5 point infraction, everyone could see the blatant bias in the modding.


So yes, that’s me two cents, keep it RELEVANT please ladies

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i mean

my latest infraction was for commenting on a picture that was posted in a music thread

i thought that was beyond ridiculous and i actually messaged the mods about it but didn’t even get a reply so

[Marsh.]

I didn't think they worked points like that. It was just so many individual infractions added up to a ban?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't think they worked points like that. It was just so many individual infractions added up to a ban?

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction

[Marsh.]

I would certainly like to know why calling out an ignorant member for an ignorant comment is member insult but calling out a racist member isn't?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

It’s a point based system whereby 9 points mean a one day ban (iirc) and then it goes up from there

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction

Ah right. See when they changed it I assumed they'd removed the points system to make it simpler.

But they just removed members ability to see the number of points they received.

Not strange at all.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ah right. See when they changed it I assumed they'd removed the points system to make it simpler.

But they just removed members ability to see the number of points they received.

Not strange at all.

Exactly


Marsh’s passive aggressiveness aside removing members ability to see the number of points handed out just means that mods can do as they please and as much as they all say “it’s a team, it’s discussed” it an admin overruled and said no this is what’s happening, it’s not like they’re going to argue the point

[Jay.]

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

[Marsh.]

My aggression isn't passive!

It's on a boil wash!

[Amy Jade]

I've found messaging a mod outside the infraction works for me (Usually Niamh or Dezzy, sorry guys )

I do wish there was a better way to appeal though, I normally feel quite bad bothering people to deal with my issue.

[BBUK-Fan]

Here here

[Firewire]

I think removing the reporting posts feature would help a lot

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Jay.

I remember getting one for mentioning the name of a shop in soap and without any hesitation I received one 12 hours later, with no reply when I asked why.

Just needs to be more transparent and I'm surprised it isn't already. That idea should work a lot better because it helps us almost police them, so it keeps everything fair.

Masala Masood?

[Rob!]

A bit of feedback on the reports we give wouldn't go amiss tbh. This on season especially has been horrendous for unacceptable comments and it doesn't seem to have altered at all.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I think removing the reporting posts feature would help a lot

Why?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Why?

Because it'll stop me getting infracted!

[Denver]

I do think mods protect some posters.

Also they say contact if you have questions about your Infraction but they get ignored

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Because it'll stop me getting infracted!

[Vicky.]

I really don’t understand why mods/admin are so against have a rigid structure of what is classed as a rule break and what isn’t,

because it makes no sense to do it this way. Context is often important . Like, if we had it set so that everytime someone called someone else an idiot it was an infraction, fair enough. But then in the chat thread, there would be a bunch given out per day and we would still be in the wrong

There is a set system also in a way. There are set points for each thing. But its impossible to moderate a forum like this with completely set rules..I mean lets think of a random example that we could have for total consistency with no thinking of the context or anything else. Racism = instant ban. Seems fair enough. But some people would class saying the N word was racism (hopefully all would think this). Some would class saying immigration needs to be controlled as racism. So even then, someone has to use their judgement to if the comment is actually racist or not

Insults are either a warning, 1 point, 3 points, 5 points, or we can chose to ban outright depending on the severity. Would you really prefer every single post that could be perceived as an insult to have 5 points or something? I think..be careful what you wish for with that one tbh

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But each infraction comes with a set number of points, but the problem is people don’t know how many points they have per infraction

You already know why this was. People used to be able to see how many points they had, and they would post about how they infractions had all expired so they were going to insult people, then when they got close to a ban again they would calm down purposely until one expired, then start again. Basically its this way, as people abused it. Like the appeals section.

I will reply to most messages about infractions. Though I do tend to ignore it if people just send me a huge rant, or if its extremely clear why they got one but they are trying to pretend its not.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

[Denver]

No mod has ever answered this but why was i infracted and given a 2 day ban last year but the Infraction was revoked but not the ban?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Exactly


Marsh’s passive aggressiveness aside removing members ability to see the number of points handed out just means that mods can do as they please and as much as they all say “it’s a team, it’s discussed” it an admin overruled and said no this is what’s happening, it’s not like they’re going to argue the point

Not entirely sure what this means? Admin do overule us sometimes, and no, its total paranoia to even think that we just do as we please tbh. Has been said before but every single infraction given out automatically creates its own discussion thread in the mod section. So everything we do is pretty transparent behind the scenes (by the way, I see no reason for members to 'police' us as has been mentioned, admin do just fine) and quite often we will challenge each other if we feel one is too harsh or too soft. Sometimes admin will step in also.

I see no reason at all for it to be public which members have had infractions. besides satisfying your noseyness

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

vicky you’re the only mod to post in here so WHY was my pm ignored? i’m assuming ever mod sees the messages sent to the tibb staff robot?

No only James and Josy see those I think

[Ashley.]

I don't know, I've found it relatively easy to avoid receiving infractions. If you think there's a chance you're going to be infracted for saying something then just don't say it. That's all I can say really.