View Full Version : Why are the right so obssessed with the left?
Scarlett.
13-02-2018, 09:35 PM
Serious question :shrug:
Brillopad
13-02-2018, 09:40 PM
Serious question :shrug:
Reactionary! If the left would stop trying to take the moral high ground and control everyone’s thoughts then others wouldn’t feel the need to take a stand.
Northern Monkey
13-02-2018, 09:40 PM
Because without the left there would be no right.....
And vice versa
Brillopad
13-02-2018, 09:41 PM
Because without the left there would be no right.....
And vice versa
Precisely.
Scarlett.
13-02-2018, 09:42 PM
The right seem to paint the left as Tumblr level feminists who have no morals. The left generally only really care about the far right, the normal right wingers aren't so different from the normal left.
The right seem to paint the left as Tumblr level feminists who have no morals. The left generally only really care about the far right, the normal right wingers aren't so different from the normal left.
I don't know about that, there are Labour MPs who say they would never be friends with a Tory, they sell 'Never kissed a Tory' shirts etc at Labour events, it's almost social suicide to be a Conservative at schools and universities
Scarlett.
13-02-2018, 09:53 PM
I don't know about that, there are Labour MPs who say they would never be friends with a Tory, they sell 'Never kissed a Tory' shirts etc at Labour events, it's almost social suicide to be a Conservative at schools and universities
Yeah some people can take it too far, generally though, Tories are more similar to Labour than some of the more far right parties. I think Tories can't exist without Labour and vice versa.
They care, and are worried
Scarlett.
13-02-2018, 09:54 PM
Thinking on it more, I'm betting this is down to the middle slowly disappearing, everyone seems to be going further left or right, and not really listening to each other, it always seems to be "the left said this" or "the right did that"
Intersectionality has become more mainstream and it has a lot to do with many of the formerly fringe voices (on both far-right and far-left) gaining more traction in popular media. There are voices that are automatically being put into the category of "the right" that are not being heard in favor of protected groups, for example with regards to the economy, etc, common sense solutions are not being focused on because they're not deemed "inclusive" enough... it leads to a lot of conclusions regarding the topic of media bias and censorship.
A lowering standard of education and the laziness of mainstream media can also be pointed to as factors. I'm sure there's outright bias on either side, but other times, I think it's just the media pandering to whatever dynamic gets the most views... TV media and online news is struggling massively to maintain a consistent narrative thanks to the likes of Facebook, Google and ad-blocks.
And of course money talks. If your business is heavily dependent on mass marketing and branding, and you're vying for celebrities to put on the covers of magazines or in front of your products, or your audience is considered to be young folk, then some catering is necessary in order to maintain a consistent bottom-line for your shareholders...
Funnily enough, a lot of cognitive dissonance has to occur for all these relationships to be made... meanwhile many companies are in support of things like the corporate tax cuts here in the US (all right-wing supposedly) while anything that is typically considered common sense policy is not "neutral enough" because it doesn't check enough pro-equality/pro-morality behaviors...
And actually, a lot of this pro-morality stuff is "baked in" already with regards to American mainstream... it used to be a woman couldn't share a bed on TV with a man, and there's still a lot of "dated" editing concepts in the US media.
For example, we highly censor our reality TV in comparison... whereas you guys have things like dicks, vaginas and other orifices making their way to the telly. We censor way more than they do in the UK (apparently)... I was shocked when I turned on C5 one time and found they were showing animal birth in it's full bloody gory. We are sheltered in comparison.
So yeah, some of it is narrative... some of it is the inconsistent relationships between media companies, big business and government regulations... and then there is definitely a push and sheltering of alternative perspectives in the education system for example for hard-left that is leading a lot of young people to think these ideas are mainstream.
It's a complex answer really. Great topic.
Smithy
13-02-2018, 10:34 PM
I was wondering this the other day, it seems that the right is constantly attacking the left, but with the left it seems to focus much more on itself and ignore the right
Jack_
13-02-2018, 10:38 PM
It's fear. Also:
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montblanc
13-02-2018, 10:41 PM
I was wondering this the other day, it seems that the right is constantly attacking the left, but with the left it seems to focus much more on itself and ignore the right
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Vicky.
13-02-2018, 10:42 PM
I don't know about that, there are Labour MPs who say they would never be friends with a Tory, they sell 'Never kissed a Tory' shirts etc at Labour events, it's almost social suicide to be a Conservative at schools and universities
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I think both sides seem pretty obsessed with each other at times, tbh. And both seem to have their fair share of utter OTT constant obsessives. Its definitely not a one way street here.
Those on the left automatically seem to assume that anyone more right than themselves is racist/phobic. Meanwhile those on the rights seem to think anyone on the left is a bleeding heart snowflake obsessed with finding offense in everything. Both as bad as each other for this, and to pretend otherwise is pretty silly.
AnnieK
13-02-2018, 11:22 PM
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I think both sides seem pretty obsessed with each other at times, tbh. And both seem to have their fair share of utter OTT constant obsessives. Its definitely not a one way street here.
Those on the left automatically seem to assume that anyone more right than themselves is racist/phobic. Meanwhile those on the rights seem to think anyone on the left is a bleeding heart snowflake obsessed with finding offense in everything. Both as bad as each other for this, and to pretend otherwise is pretty silly.
Totally agree with this....
Toy Soldier
13-02-2018, 11:48 PM
Because without the left there would be no right...
So it's a sort of Jedi / Sith kinda thing is what you're saying?
Tom4784
14-02-2018, 12:49 AM
Right leaning views have, until recently, always been the majority but as the world becomes more liberal and open minded, old attitudes are becoming outdated and the types of people that screech 'snowflakes', 'loony left', PC gone made' etc are finding themselves on the outside of popular opinion and they can't handle it.
Northern Monkey
14-02-2018, 02:21 AM
So it's a sort of Jedi / Sith kinda thing is what you're saying?
Well Starwars is very political.Specially volumes 1-3.
Kizzy
14-02-2018, 02:58 AM
Media bias does exist, it is a 'thing' complete with longitudinal study. The 'moral' issue which has been touched upon here is one contradictory case in point and proves Owen Jones point perfectly... Right wing ideology and conservatism prides itself in having its roots firmly in what is morally correct, it is against anything it deems to be immoral whih is of course commendable.
Why then is it a common slur on the left to be painted as 'taking the moral high ground' or being a 'social justice warrior'?
Or my personal favourite being 'politically correct'
These are all perfectly admirable qualities and yet met with what has been shown across many platforms as abuse.
Well Starwars is very political.Specially volumes 1-3.
Is the original trilogy political though? Not to go off-topic, but I am curious what other peoples views are on this...
Um, back on topic. Yeah, left and right, yin and yang, insert long random typical Maru post explaining how one idea kinda feeds into or lends itself to the other... I'll leave it to the viewer to fill in those blanks :laugh:
In other news though... I feel like what Western cultural is going through is a a death & rebirth sort of thing where we mourn what was and what now remains... but before we can do that, both sides are first having to argue who gets burial rites... and then onto what is going to replace that "thing". :laugh:
The right seem to paint the left as Tumblr level feminists who have no morals. The left generally only really care about the far right, the normal right wingers aren't so different from the normal left.
...I don’t know becaus I haven’t looked at things like Tumblr, Chewy...but maybe you notice it more in your focus, the things that are said about the ‘left’, maybe feels more heightened to it in sensitivity....?...but less so with similar that may be said about the ‘right’, that could be a thing as well in you feeling a ‘one way obsession’...because it always feels quite equal to me, if ‘obsession’ were to be applied or applicable...outside of the forum, I hadn’t really noticed so much, a definite ‘divide’ of ‘camps’ of left and right, until the EU referendum result...well, the leading up to it as well ...but the result especially was when it was and has been more obvious...it has sadly been and created a political divide that I’ve never before experienced in my lifetime, in quite the same way...
..I have to say though, I feel the present government for quite a long time...have pulled more and more to the right...and for me personally, David Cameron in his decision to have the EU Referendum...will now historically be one of the worst PMs ever with the division it has caused in the country...we’ll see how it all goes when we finally get there...but for the moment, it has created a huge divide..something that none of us need to actually go through such a change...the very time when a country would need to feel united and of a common mindset, but what we have is the complete opposite..
...so anyway, a pull to the right as I feel the country has seen and experienced over present government years...will only create an opposite pulling to the left, a resistance as it were, it would be the same if it wasn’t politics connected ...but then a resistance, pulling too far in its trying and striving to ‘correct’, what is felt as an imbalance...obviously that would be equally harmful because ‘centre and balanced’ is always the best ...but we just haven’t got a centre..and even if we had, some may feel it wasn’t enough pulling back..:laugh:...so that might not be voted for atm either...
Because without the left there would be no right.....
And vice versa
..that’s very profound, NM..:laugh:..and obviously correct...
Mystic Mock
14-02-2018, 04:54 AM
Both sides seem to be quite obsessed with each other tbf.
I do think that the far right can have an obnoxious reaction to the left though and just do not respect their point of view at all and will just call it loony if it's not about punishing everyone.
..you are actually joking...I was in full flow of making a post../...just pressing send etc...it was going to be my best post ever, James...when you disconnected in doing your forum morning stuff and tweaking or whatever...anyways, it’s all gone and I’m coming for you, baby.. with my light sabre...you dastardly, James...you had better hide...
Both sides seem to be quite obsessed with each other tbf.
I do think that the far right can have an obnoxious reaction to the left though and just do not respect their point of view at all and will just call it loony if it's not about punishing everyone.
...which is worse though, Mock...being referred to as a ‘loony left’ or as someone who apparently lacks compassion and empathy, who is apparently quite heartless by nature, so basically a sociopath...I mean, it really is quite equal and untrue, that’s the thing...
I don't think it helps that both sides have also been pigeon-holed into having to defend the more extreme aspects of their political affiliation, even if they don't even agree with their philosophy. Like right folk being forced into arguments about racist bigotry, and the left folk having to defend their more authoritative, rabid variety... makes for a nasty picture at the dinner table all things considered.
I don't think it helps that both sides have also been pigeon-holed into having to defend the more extreme aspects of their political affiliation, even if they don't even agree with their philosophy. Like right folk being forced into arguments about racist bigotry, and the left folk having to defend their more authoritative, rabid variety... makes for a nasty picture at the dinner table all things considered.
...off topic...I love the way you call us all ‘folk’..:lovedup:..
...but yeah, I agree...with the pigeon holing and ‘boxing up and labelling the box’...in a present day that apparently doesn’t like to be pigeon holed, labelled or boxed...an apparent ‘individual’ society...it’s become like a chicken and egg situation of which came first..no it was you, no it was you...I beg to differ etc..:laugh:..
Brillopad
14-02-2018, 06:57 AM
I was wondering this the other day, it seems that the right is constantly attacking the left, but with the left it seems to focus much more on itself and ignore the right
The left attack the right all the time with constant derogatory name-calling but they just don’t like it when it comes back to bite them the gluteus maximus.
Brillopad
14-02-2018, 07:10 AM
Right leaning views have, until recently, always been the majority but as the world becomes more liberal and open minded, old attitudes are becoming outdated and the types of people that screech 'snowflakes', 'loony left', PC gone made' etc are finding themselves on the outside of popular opinion and they can't handle it.
The world may be becoming more liberal and open-minded, which is generally a good thing, but the left has taken it too far and their crude and pushy methodology is now having the opposite effect.
Left-wing liberalism has been hijacked by the far-left and the controlling, not to mention the group-think mentality of the young, and used as a weapon to attack the social structure and politics of the right and it was always going to be a case of giving them enough rope...
Crimson Dynamo
14-02-2018, 07:33 AM
Serious question :shrug:
Sigh
Sorry but this si just a baiting thread
You have provided NO evidence to back up your claim
Its just your attempt to bait
Brillopad
14-02-2018, 08:11 AM
Sigh
Sorry but this si just a baiting thread
You have provided NO evidence to back up your claim
Its just your attempt to bait
Good point. If it had been the other way round certain people would be screaming for it to be removed. :shrug:
Toy Soldier
14-02-2018, 08:16 AM
not to mention the group-think mentality of the young
MICROAGGRESSION!
... No seriously though, "group think" is sadly something that affects all age groups, and both sides of the political spectrum.
Northern Monkey
14-02-2018, 08:36 AM
Is the original trilogy political though? Not to go off-topic, but I am curious what other peoples views are on this...
Not as in your face political as eps 1-3 because they had to go into the background of how the empire and the rebels came to be and the wars.But there’s still plenty of politics to be found in 4-6.The whole empire reminds me of the Nazis or the Romans in a way.The storm troopers are kind of like the SS.
After all when you think about it there’s politics in everything.From the dawn of mankind people had to sort out their roles and how societies would run themselves.
Not to mention Lukes internal struggles and tests to his family allegiances,
Lando Calrissian switching sides although that was in fear but then Switching back to the lefties where his true loyalties lie,Jabba The Hutt is like the ultimate capitalist.
I suppose there’s politics everywhere.
Brillopad
14-02-2018, 08:39 AM
MICROAGGRESSION!
... No seriously though, "group think" is sadly something that affects all age groups, and both sides of the political spectrum.
Yes it does, but in other groups it is generally based on strong personal opinions that people share, whereas the young are much more likely to go along with the popular opinions of their peers rather than be different. The young are generally more focussed on fitting-in.
It isn’t until they gain more experience of life that many start to think differently and form more individual opinions. We have all been there so we all speak from experience on that.
Crimson Dynamo
14-02-2018, 08:44 AM
Good point. If it had been the other way round certain people would be screaming for it to be removed. :shrug:
I have reported it and and I hope others do
This is exactly what the whole Vicky thread was about. A thread to bait and encourage sniping as its based solely on the posters political bigotry
Withano
14-02-2018, 09:06 AM
I only really talk about politics on tibb actually (where the OP has a point considering the volume of threads right members make about left things compared to the opposite). Does it happen off tibb too? I've not picked up on that.
Toy Soldier
14-02-2018, 09:07 AM
I only really talk about politics on tibb actually (where the OP has a point considering the volume of threads right members make about left things compared to the opposite). Does it happen off tibb too? I've not picked up on that.Put it this way: if you think talking politics on TiBB is bad, pray that you never encounter it on Facebook :worry:
joeysteele
14-02-2018, 09:09 AM
Both sides seem to be quite obsessed with each other tbf.
I do think that the far right can have an obnoxious reaction to the left though and just do not respect their point of view at all and will just call it loony if it's not about punishing everyone.
I agree and not surprisingly I do with Jack_ too.
Despite my interest in politics,I now avoid taking part in these debates or issues on here.
The fact is SOME on the right or truly bad in their actions and SOME on the left are too.
Not ALL, as some like to just lump everyone altogether as if they are all wrong or bad,rather than the acceptance that most on right and left want to do their best in politics.
Sadly,all I will say is this govt has for near 8 years chosen an extreme hardline road to be on and stay on.
Going way too far one way,that the end result will likely be a swing stronger the other way,to redress the imbalance created this last near 8 years.
I know personally,speaking for myself and own experience.
When I was more right of centre up to 6 years ago,I never got the abuse from only some, more left leaning people,I now get from only SOME of the more right leaning people, now I am on the left of politics.
Anyway,well said Mock.
Withano
14-02-2018, 09:10 AM
Put it this way: if you think talking politics on TiBB is bad, pray that you never encounter it on Facebook :worry:
Facebook (back when 'promoted posts' came up on my newsfeed a lot during the election and brexit) seemed quite segregated though. The tories would be the top comments on the Conservatives posts and liberals would be the top comments on Labours posts.. I didn't see any dialogue (I didnt look for it). Hmm.
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