[Scarlett.]

Serious question

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Serious question

Reactionary! If the left would stop trying to take the moral high ground and control everyone’s thoughts then others wouldn’t feel the need to take a stand.

[Northern Monkey]

Because without the left there would be no right.....




And vice versa

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Because without the left there would be no right.....




And vice versa

Precisely.

[Scarlett.]

The right seem to paint the left as Tumblr level feminists who have no morals. The left generally only really care about the far right, the normal right wingers aren't so different from the normal left.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The right seem to paint the left as Tumblr level feminists who have no morals. The left generally only really care about the far right, the normal right wingers aren't so different from the normal left.

I don't know about that, there are Labour MPs who say they would never be friends with a Tory, they sell 'Never kissed a Tory' shirts etc at Labour events, it's almost social suicide to be a Conservative at schools and universities

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't know about that, there are Labour MPs who say they would never be friends with a Tory, they sell 'Never kissed a Tory' shirts etc at Labour events, it's almost social suicide to be a Conservative at schools and universities

Yeah some people can take it too far, generally though, Tories are more similar to Labour than some of the more far right parties. I think Tories can't exist without Labour and vice versa.

[Alf]

They care, and are worried

[Scarlett.]

Thinking on it more, I'm betting this is down to the middle slowly disappearing, everyone seems to be going further left or right, and not really listening to each other, it always seems to be "the left said this" or "the right did that"

[Maru]

Intersectionality has become more mainstream and it has a lot to do with many of the formerly fringe voices (on both far-right and far-left) gaining more traction in popular media. There are voices that are automatically being put into the category of "the right" that are not being heard in favor of protected groups, for example with regards to the economy, etc, common sense solutions are not being focused on because they're not deemed "inclusive" enough... it leads to a lot of conclusions regarding the topic of media bias and censorship.

A lowering standard of education and the laziness of mainstream media can also be pointed to as factors. I'm sure there's outright bias on either side, but other times, I think it's just the media pandering to whatever dynamic gets the most views... TV media and online news is struggling massively to maintain a consistent narrative thanks to the likes of Facebook, Google and ad-blocks.

And of course money talks. If your business is heavily dependent on mass marketing and branding, and you're vying for celebrities to put on the covers of magazines or in front of your products, or your audience is considered to be young folk, then some catering is necessary in order to maintain a consistent bottom-line for your shareholders...

Funnily enough, a lot of cognitive dissonance has to occur for all these relationships to be made... meanwhile many companies are in support of things like the corporate tax cuts here in the US (all right-wing supposedly) while anything that is typically considered common sense policy is not "neutral enough" because it doesn't check enough pro-equality/pro-morality behaviors...

And actually, a lot of this pro-morality stuff is "baked in" already with regards to American mainstream... it used to be a woman couldn't share a bed on TV with a man, and there's still a lot of "dated" editing concepts in the US media.

For example, we highly censor our reality TV in comparison... whereas you guys have things like dicks, vaginas and other orifices making their way to the telly. We censor way more than they do in the UK (apparently)... I was shocked when I turned on C5 one time and found they were showing animal birth in it's full bloody gory. We are sheltered in comparison.

So yeah, some of it is narrative... some of it is the inconsistent relationships between media companies, big business and government regulations... and then there is definitely a push and sheltering of alternative perspectives in the education system for example for hard-left that is leading a lot of young people to think these ideas are mainstream.

It's a complex answer really. Great topic.

[Smithy]

I was wondering this the other day, it seems that the right is constantly attacking the left, but with the left it seems to focus much more on itself and ignore the right

[Jack_]

It's fear. Also:

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I was wondering this the other day, it seems that the right is constantly attacking the left, but with the left it seems to focus much more on itself and ignore the right

this

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't know about that, there are Labour MPs who say they would never be friends with a Tory, they sell 'Never kissed a Tory' shirts etc at Labour events, it's almost social suicide to be a Conservative at schools and universities

^

I think both sides seem pretty obsessed with each other at times, tbh. And both seem to have their fair share of utter OTT constant obsessives. Its definitely not a one way street here.

Those on the left automatically seem to assume that anyone more right than themselves is racist/phobic. Meanwhile those on the rights seem to think anyone on the left is a bleeding heart snowflake obsessed with finding offense in everything. Both as bad as each other for this, and to pretend otherwise is pretty silly.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

^

I think both sides seem pretty obsessed with each other at times, tbh. And both seem to have their fair share of utter OTT constant obsessives. Its definitely not a one way street here.

Those on the left automatically seem to assume that anyone more right than themselves is racist/phobic. Meanwhile those on the rights seem to think anyone on the left is a bleeding heart snowflake obsessed with finding offense in everything. Both as bad as each other for this, and to pretend otherwise is pretty silly.

Totally agree with this....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Because without the left there would be no right...

So it's a sort of Jedi / Sith kinda thing is what you're saying?

[Tom4784]

Right leaning views have, until recently, always been the majority but as the world becomes more liberal and open minded, old attitudes are becoming outdated and the types of people that screech 'snowflakes', 'loony left', PC gone made' etc are finding themselves on the outside of popular opinion and they can't handle it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So it's a sort of Jedi / Sith kinda thing is what you're saying?

Well Starwars is very political.Specially volumes 1-3.

[Kizzy]

Media bias does exist, it is a 'thing' complete with longitudinal study. The 'moral' issue which has been touched upon here is one contradictory case in point and proves Owen Jones point perfectly... Right wing ideology and conservatism prides itself in having its roots firmly in what is morally correct, it is against anything it deems to be immoral whih is of course commendable.

Why then is it a common slur on the left to be painted as 'taking the moral high ground' or being a 'social justice warrior'?
Or my personal favourite being 'politically correct'

These are all perfectly admirable qualities and yet met with what has been shown across many platforms as abuse.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well Starwars is very political.Specially volumes 1-3.

Is the original trilogy political though? Not to go off-topic, but I am curious what other peoples views are on this...


Um, back on topic. Yeah, left and right, yin and yang, insert long random typical Maru post explaining how one idea kinda feeds into or lends itself to the other... I'll leave it to the viewer to fill in those blanks

In other news though... I feel like what Western cultural is going through is a a death & rebirth sort of thing where we mourn what was and what now remains... but before we can do that, both sides are first having to argue who gets burial rites... and then onto what is going to replace that "thing".

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Chewy

The right seem to paint the left as Tumblr level feminists who have no morals. The left generally only really care about the far right, the normal right wingers aren't so different from the normal left.

...I don’t know becaus I haven’t looked at things like Tumblr, Chewy...but maybe you notice it more in your focus, the things that are said about the ‘left’, maybe feels more heightened to it in sensitivity....?...but less so with similar that may be said about the ‘right’, that could be a thing as well in you feeling a ‘one way obsession’...because it always feels quite equal to me, if ‘obsession’ were to be applied or applicable...outside of the forum, I hadn’t really noticed so much, a definite ‘divide’ of ‘camps’ of left and right, until the EU referendum result...well, the leading up to it as well ...but the result especially was when it was and has been more obvious...it has sadly been and created a political divide that I’ve never before experienced in my lifetime, in quite the same way...

[Ammi]

..I have to say though, I feel the present government for quite a long time...have pulled more and more to the right...and for me personally, David Cameron in his decision to have the EU Referendum...will now historically be one of the worst PMs ever with the division it has caused in the country...we’ll see how it all goes when we finally get there...but for the moment, it has created a huge divide..something that none of us need to actually go through such a change...the very time when a country would need to feel united and of a common mindset, but what we have is the complete opposite..


...so anyway, a pull to the right as I feel the country has seen and experienced over present government years...will only create an opposite pulling to the left, a resistance as it were, it would be the same if it wasn’t politics connected ...but then a resistance, pulling too far in its trying and striving to ‘correct’, what is felt as an imbalance...obviously that would be equally harmful because ‘centre and balanced’ is always the best ...but we just haven’t got a centre..and even if we had, some may feel it wasn’t enough pulling back.....so that might not be voted for atm either...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Because without the left there would be no right.....




And vice versa

..that’s very profound, NM....and obviously correct...

[Mystic Mock]

Both sides seem to be quite obsessed with each other tbf.

I do think that the far right can have an obnoxious reaction to the left though and just do not respect their point of view at all and will just call it loony if it's not about punishing everyone.

[Ammi]

..you are actually joking...I was in full flow of making a post../...just pressing send etc...it was going to be my best post ever, James...when you disconnected in doing your forum morning stuff and tweaking or whatever...anyways, it’s all gone and I’m coming for you, baby.. with my light sabre...you dastardly, James...you had better hide...