Doctor Who: Series 11

[Nicky91]

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[Nicky91]

i am excited for tonight's ep :flutter:

[Good King Glennceslas]

Here for the Grace the Frog spin off

[Underscore]

weak episode

[Marsh.]

:(

[Denver]

Worst episode yet

[Rob!]

That was bizarre. Not Moffat returning and writing under a pseudonym.

The Flesh Moths were a genius idea though. Really creepy. Ribbons was good too.

[Oliver_W]

It was ... okay. She somehow seemed more "Doctorish" than she had in the rest of the season. Graham is still the best thing about it. Like a lot of episodes this year it feels like it should have just been 45 mins.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not surprised this was directed by Jamie Childs - despite the mediocre story it was the best directed and best looking.

[Morgan.]

Low-key enjoyed that

[Marsh.]

Doctor: Ryan will stay with yer!

Hanna: Oh! Not HIM!


Too right, love!

[Marsh.]

I'm not surprised this was directed by Jamie Childs - despite the mediocre story it was the best directed and best looking.

He's directed 4 episodes.

[Marsh.]

Worst episode yet

Nah. That honor still goes to The Tsuranga Conundrum.

[Scarlett.]

Pretty decent episode, felt kinda Moffat-y. I like that the episode seemed like it was going to be about a monster in the woods then changed into something completely different

[Marsh.]

Yeah, it was actually quite good.

If anything I appreciate the atmosphere an episode like this tends to create even if the story isn't perfect. The daughter was a good actress.

And it is nice to see all of the location filming this year, it really pays off well.

Just a shame the scripting is at an all time low. Although last weeks and this weeks were pretty good.

[Braden]

Well, that's another one I bloody enjoyed.

Make Doctor Who Great Again by Jodie Whittaker, Chris Chibnall & co.

[Headie]

The legend, ha return https://static.tvmaze.com/uploads/images/medium_portrait/170/426088.jpg

Not long before she takes over from the Doctor and becomes the main character :clap1:

[Marsh.]

Not "Grace Who"

Or "Doctor Grace"

[Merry Mockmas]

weak episode

This.

I thought that the last couple of episodes had picked up in quality a bit, but this episode had a few confusing moments in it's writing that felt a bit like the writers didn't know what they were doing, especially during all of the Grace stuff.

[Nicky91]

great episode, i fully understand why people don't like the ryan character, he's so useless and here he said something completely stupid about the father just abandoning his daughter :facepalm:



next week Mark Addy (Hercules) guest role :clap1: :clap1:

[Marsh.]

This.

I thought that the last couple of episodes had picked up in quality a bit, but this episode had a few confusing moments in it's writing that felt a bit like the writers didn't know what they were doing, especially during all of the Grace stuff.

What do you mean?

The Grace stuff was about the pocket universe keeping hold of humans by using their deceased loved ones as emotional blackmail.

[Marsh.]

The first episode I felt the character development blended seamlessly with the plot.

Graham and Grace, and even Ryan pushing his abandonmemt issues about his dad onto Hanne and her situation.

It's always shoehorned in elsewhere, but here it felt natural and earned.

I was going to say Whittaker seems to be finding her groove as the Doctor, but apparently this episode was filmed first so maybe she lost her energy as the shoot went on.

Either way, more proof that the show thrives when Chibnall is not on scripting duties. Hopefully he doesn't monopolise too many of the episodes of series 12.

[Morgan.]

great episode, i fully understand why people don't like the ryan character, he's so useless and here he said something completely stupid about the father just abandoning his daughter :facepalm:



next week Mark Addy (Hercules) guest role :clap1: :clap1:


But ... the father did just abandon the daughter :umm2:

[Marsh.]

Not Nicky defending the villain of the piece. :nono:

[Marsh.]

Oh and I did like the Woolly Rebellion gag.

"The sheep have gone... probably plotting" :joker:

[Nicky91]

But ... the father did just abandon the daughter :umm2:

because he believed his wife was trapped in that other universe ;)


that Frog creature made people see those who they had lost, Graham seeing Grace but he found out she wasn't grace when she said don't worry about ryan he'll be fine, cause that is the exact opposite of what his grace would say

[Morgan.]

because he believed his wife was trapped in that other universe ;)


that Frog creature made people see those who they had lost, Graham seeing Grace but he found out she wasn't grace when she said don't worry about ryan he'll be fine, cause that is the exact opposite of what his grace would say

Yeah I know I did watch it :joker: He still abandoned her though it doesn't matter why :joker:

[Nicky91]

Yeah I know I did watch it :joker: He still abandoned her though it doesn't matter why :joker:

:laugh:

anyway i've noticed Tosin Cole's bad acting, also the doctor could've just had Yaz and Graham as companions, Ryan doesn't really add anything to the team


slightly offtopic but nice BBC Christmas commercial which was just before this episode last night :hee:

[Jarrod]

It was okay.

What I really want to know is.... did they only have a TARDIS interior for 2 days filming? Where is it?

[Nicky91]

It was okay.

What I really want to know is.... did they only have a TARDIS interior for 2 days filming? Where is it?

:think: now you mention it, i can remember we seeing more from the TARDIS on the inside in past doctor who series

[Jarrod]

:think: now you mention it, i can remember we seeing more from the TARDIS on the inside in past doctor who series

It's made barely any appearances this series, let alone it turning up late in Episode 2. It's one of the key characters to the series!

[Marsh.]

I don't actually mind. There can be times where the convenience of the Tardis spoils a story because the writer uses it as a cheap way of resolving something, rather than being a bit original.

However, they haven't sacrificed the far too overused sonic screwdriver.

PLEASE, allow it to pick locks and stuff and not detect/solve bloody everything. It's beyond a joke at this point.

[Jarrod]

I don't actually mind. There can be times where the convenience of the Tardis spoils a story because the writer uses it as a cheap way of resolving something, rather than being a bit original.

However, they haven't sacrificed the far too overused sonic screwdriver.

PLEASE, allow it to pick locks and stuff and not detect/solve bloody everything. It's beyond a joke at this point.

I agree with this - as much as it's great to have... every episode seems to rely on the sonic. Even with the "I love my sonic" quote. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Then again, if they took it away from her, we'd probably have more of that eating the soil stuff to figure out where they are. :unsure:

Although, considering they were in the present day this week, you'd think one of them would've figured that out with their smartphone.

[Greg!]

Then again, if they took it away from her, we'd probably have more of that eating the soil stuff to figure out where they are. :unsure:

Although, considering they were in the present day this week, you'd think one of them would've figured that out with their smartphone.

Their phones always get zapped by the sonic so they work anywhere silly! :oh:

[Marsh.]

Their phones always get zapped by the sonic so they work anywhere silly! :oh:

That doesn't make any sense, that HELPS MY POINT YOU STUPID WOMAN!!

They should be able to tell when and where via the magic of their mobile bloody phone. :fist:

[Oliver_W]

No shade but I think I must have had a "micronap" during the episode because my recollection of the events was Graham saying bye to Grace, then they were back in the real world - apparently there was a talking frog or something?

[Tom4784]

I really enjoyed it, the plot was interesting, the threat of the sentient universe and the moths were well written and, in the universe's case, sympathetic.

One thing this series has done well (although the effect has been lessened through overuse) is presenting aliens as often misunderstood good guys and I like how this episode leaned into that while making the universe's morality more complicated than the other good aliens thus far. It's sympathetic but still a massive threat to everything that has to be dealt with.

Ryan continues to be a problem as always though. He fit better in this episode but, tbh, he could have easily not been in it and nothing would have been lost. Yazz as a character is finding her feet and Graham's excellent as always but Ryan needs to go.

I also think this was the best showing for Jodie's Doctor yet, although the writers need to be brave and have her lose the screwdriver as often as the doctors typically loses access to the Tardis, it's such a lazy crutch of a writing tool.

[Rob!]

New Years Day episode news :

The Daleks are back.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-new-year-special-13698163

[Greg!]

New Years Day episode news :

The Daleks are back.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-new-year-special-13698163


AAAAAh wish I didn't open the spoiler. Ruined the bloody surprise

[Scarlett.]

Calling it

The Stenza are wiped out by the Daleks

[Good King Glennceslas]

Jodie confirms she’s staying for series 12

[Braden]

New Years Day episode news :

The Daleks are back.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-new-year-special-13698163


Ah, wish I didn't read this.

[Tom4784]

Jodie confirms she’s staying for series 12

Queen, let's just hope Chibnall gets the boot.

[Rob!]

AAAAAh wish I didn't open the spoiler. Ruined the bloody surprise

Ah, wish I didn't read this.

Well you’re both silly for reading her then aren’t you!!

[Marsh.]

Well, they've not had a proper story in three years so it's been a decent break.

Even then...

That story was more Davros' than theirs!

[Braden]

Well you’re both silly for reading her then aren’t you!!

I know! But it's good to say just in case other people are also silly and don't know the severity of the spoiler.

[Marsh.]

Am I the only one who wouldn't have found that to be an earth shattering reveal?

I've always been pretty meh about them tbh. :laugh:

[Greg!]

Am I the only one who wouldn't have found that to be an earth shattering reveal?

I've always been pretty meh about them tbh. :laugh:

It would have been a cute and exciting reveal at the end of the finale but the press had to go and ruin it

[Good King Glennceslas]

****ing goodbye I just read they’ve had a makeover. KEEP IT!

[Marsh.]

****ing goodbye I just read they’ve had a makeover. KEEP IT!

Here for the female Daleks. Now with vacuums "Decontaminate! Decontaminate!"

[Rob!]

Here for the female Daleks. Now with vacuums "Decontaminate! Decontaminate!"

The LGBT Daleks are coming :clap1:

“You will be exfoliated!”

[Marsh.]

The LGBT Daleks are coming :clap1:

“You will be exfoliated!”

:joker::joker::joker:

[Scarlett.]

****ing goodbye I just read they’ve had a makeover. KEEP IT!

As long as they're more faithful than Moffat's Power Ranger Daleks

[Time to Sleigh]

Just watched. The most bizarre episode ever. The talking frog that still had graces voice. Weird!

[Good King Glennceslas]

Lowkey didn’t mind the Moffat Daleks

[Denver]

What happened to no old foes

[Marsh.]

What happened to no old foes

He said there'd be no returning villains/characters in season 11.

He never said he would never bring anything/anyone back ever.

[Rob!]

Lowkey didn’t mind the Moffat Daleks

I wasn’t that bothered by the big power ranger Daleks as I assumed they would just be Daleks in charge of certain sections. The fact they went through a whole episode building up this big new design and then never mentioned it again was ridiculous.

[Good King Glennceslas]

The metallic ones in Asylum of the Daleks were cute

[Rob!]

The New Years Day episode is apparently called “Resolution.”

[Good King Glennceslas]

The New Years Day episode is apparently called “Resolution.”

...of the Daleks?

[Rob!]

...of the Daleks?

You’d think.

[Marsh.]

The New Years Day episode is apparently called “Resolution.”

Wow, after a bunch of long-winded and some unpronounceable ones that's fairly simple.

[Good King Glennceslas]

IKR what the **** is tomorrow nights called

[Marsh.]

The Battle of Krackle and Pop or summat.

[Ashsleigh]

The Battle of Babayaro's drunk posts

[Tom4784]

The battle of gays hammering 'asgASFGafgsfAGSFGafsgAFSGg' on their keyboards.

[Marsh.]

The battle of gays hammering 'asgASFGafgsfAGSFGafsgAFSGg' on their keyboards.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

Ok, I only just got that.

New Year special called Resolution...

:unsure: Oop. :worry:

[Rob!]

Ok, I only just got that.

New Year special called Resolution...

:unsure: Oop. :worry:

Wow.

[Marsh.]

Wow.

:(

[Ashsleigh]

****ing goodbye I just read they’ve had a makeover. KEEP IT!

https://i.imgur.com/HoMdkRE.jpg

[Good King Glennceslas]

https://i.imgur.com/HoMdkRE.jpg

I’d lowkey be here for it if it was airing Christmas Day

[Rob!]

Sort of perched for tonight I guess? It’s going to need to be ****ing good though.

[Scarlett.]

The worry I have is it will just be like any old episode. I think the only time we've only ever had a finale with no two parters was The Name of the Doctor, and even that was the first of a trilogy of episodes. I hope tonight's episode leads into the New Years ep somehow

[Nicky91]

24 minutes left, Mark Addy :love: and i heard the doctor in a sneak preview saying ''i know that voice'' hmm a returning character :think:

[Morgan.]

**** I forgot

[Morgan.]

How much have I missed

[Rob!]

Well, safe to say Bradley Walsh has been the best thing about this series.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Well that was a pretty abysmal series tbh

[Good King Glennceslas]

Confirmed that Series 12 will air early 2020!!

[Morgan.]

Confirmed that Series 12 will air early 2020!!

Mess that's horrible

[Marsh.]

At least it's early. Just a couple of extra months.

[Scarlett.]

I quite enjoyed the finale, glad they brought Tim Shaw back

[Tom4784]

That was complete and utter ****e. It's embarrassing how bad it was and it's squarely down to the writing. Chris Chibnall is a **** writer, his writing his lazy and his dialogue drowns in cliches, I'm pretty sure I heard 'It can't be!' multiple times this episode and Tim Shaw responding to Graham telling him he killed his wife with 'Good' is just ugh.... How does this man get work?

The plot was boring, it all felt derivative of better finales and it was all flat as ****. Chibnall has to go, I'm hoping the break will be because they need to find a new showrunner because he can't stay, he's incompetent. If he stays, I won't watch another series until he is gone (or more likely, the show is cancelled before then).

Like, he doesn't understand his own characters at all, Graham is indicative of this, his 180 degree turn in his personality was just random and it didn't fit the character at all. They made him vengeful to serve the plot and that's another sign of a piss poor writer, especially considering there's no arc to his journey in this episode, he just decides 'Nah, i'm not gonna kill this person because of reasons although I was planning on doing so a second before.'

Ugh, trash writer.

It pains me that Ryan will be returning next season as well, he cannot act, it's simple as that. Listen to his lines when he is supposed to be emotiing, he sounds exactly the same whether he's meant to be scared, angry or happy. He's just.... Was he really the best option for them to cast? Like, how bad were the other candidates?!

[Scarlett.]

I really hate the way the Doctor randomly remembers plot important things at random and explains them as if she was reading a Wikipedia page. Also enough of "I was there at historical event, I was even part of it maybe"

[Oaker]

This series kinda got lucky with its good guest writers because Chibnall's stuff is... not great.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Let's hope he does a Russell T Davies and takes more of a backseat when it comes to writing in series 12.

[Good King Glennceslas]

There’s too many people to have a decent story. Tonight’s was prime example with them splitting up which effectively halted the flow of the story repeatedly. The companions seem to know more about everything than the Doctor does. It doesn’t make sense.

The writing is awful which considering how great Broadchurch was is surprising and I expected great things. Such a shame.

[Ashsleigh]

Looking back at episodes he has written before, they weren't terrible. 42 in my opinion is underrated and had all the components of a decent story; The Hungry Earth two-parter was quite a powerful story about human error and unity between two species; Dinosaurs was weak, sure, but it was fun; The Power of Three although fairly filler came at the perfect time and was an (almost) emotional story.

What these episodes have in common is an extremely weak sci-fi foundation. So the way I see it, he is much better at episodes that don't have such a huge focus on sci-fi elements - so you sort of wonder why he's in charge of a sci-fi show.

[Oliver_W]

Did anyone care about Tim Shaw enough for him to have been the finale villain? This episode might have worked better as a mid-season one, like how RTD would revive classic monsters halfway through.

This season as a whole has been a bit naff. None of the villains will be remembered, that's for sure.

I agree with Dezzy in that I hope the gap is so the BBC can find a replacement. I've read in various places that Jodie wouldn't stay without the Chibb, but I don't care - I don't actively want her to go, nor do I really want her to stay. With Capaldi there was always a brilliant performance despite the material, but Jodie only seems to be as good as what she's given.

[Nicky91]

nice episode, Mark Addy another nice role from him after i also enjoyed him as Hercules in Atlantis (wish that would come back tbh)


also excited for the new years day special :flutter:

[Scarlett.]

I wonder if it might be better the show scrapped the 'Showrunner' model? Having a more traditional set up could go a long way, helping the show be on more consistently, and not forcing the burden on just one person.

[Good King Glennceslas]

I thought they were adopting a writers room approach when it came to scripts.

[Scarlett.]

I heard that too, but it never seemed to happen, it'd be a lot better for the show if it did though.

[Marsh.]

Not watched it in its entirety yet but there's a lot of people on DS talking about "Stealing planets? What a STUPID idea!!"

Erm.. The Stolen Earth from series 4 anyone?

[Marsh.]

Looking back at episodes he has written before, they weren't terrible. 42 in my opinion is underrated and had all the components of a decent story; The Hungry Earth two-parter was quite a powerful story about human error and unity between two species; Dinosaurs was weak, sure, but it was fun; The Power of Three although fairly filler came at the perfect time and was an (almost) emotional story.

What these episodes have in common is an extremely weak sci-fi foundation. So the way I see it, he is much better at episodes that don't have such a huge focus on sci-fi elements - so you sort of wonder why he's in charge of a sci-fi show.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was given the outlines for the story of those episodes that he then had to turn into a script.

The worst aspects of them are the pacing and the dialogue.

I didn't notice it as much with Broadchurch, maybe he is just completely out of his depth with sci-fi.

He seems to have the job because he was a lifelong fan of DW and he's a writer. Whether he's capable of writing sci-fi seems to be an afterthought.

[Tom4784]

There’s too many people to have a decent story. Tonight’s was prime example with them splitting up which effectively halted the flow of the story repeatedly. The companions seem to know more about everything than the Doctor does. It doesn’t make sense.

The writing is awful which considering how great Broadchurch was is surprising and I expected great things. Such a shame.

I actually think a competent writer could balance out a four person team quite well but I do think, in the next series, there should be episodes where certain characters sit out in order to develop others better. Do what they did with Clara and the Ponds and have the companions have an established life outside the tardis that can give them a reason why they can't go on every adventure.

Looking back at episodes he has written before, they weren't terrible. 42 in my opinion is underrated and had all the components of a decent story; The Hungry Earth two-parter was quite a powerful story about human error and unity between two species; Dinosaurs was weak, sure, but it was fun; The Power of Three although fairly filler came at the perfect time and was an (almost) emotional story.

What these episodes have in common is an extremely weak sci-fi foundation. So the way I see it, he is much better at episodes that don't have such a huge focus on sci-fi elements - so you sort of wonder why he's in charge of a sci-fi show.

I always found his episodes to be quite middling most of the time and decent at best but his episodes this season have been utterly woeful and he hasn't been able to transfer his strengths from shows like Broachurch over to Doctor Who at all. His writing comes across like something you'd see from a Media BTEC student who's in the middle of writing their first script.

Did anyone care about Tim Shaw enough for him to have been the finale villain? This episode might have worked better as a mid-season one, like how RTD would revive classic monsters halfway through.

This season as a whole has been a bit naff. None of the villains will be remembered, that's for sure.

I agree with Dezzy in that I hope the gap is so the BBC can find a replacement. I've read in various places that Jodie wouldn't stay without the Chibb, but I don't care - I don't actively want her to go, nor do I really want her to stay. With Capaldi there was always a brilliant performance despite the material, but Jodie only seems to be as good as what she's given.

I don't know what Chibnall was thinking when it came to bringing back Tim Shaw. He was terrible the first time around and dreadful the second.

I think the season has been hit and miss, miss whenever Chibnall's written the episode and more of a hit when another writer's tackled it. I think Rosa and the Punjab episodes were very strong in particular.

I think Jodie's done well with the material she's been given and the comparison between her and Capaldi doesn't really work since, even when Moffett's heart wasn't in it anymore, he was still a cracking writer and knew how to write the doctor and non-cliched dialogue that popped. I don't think Capaldi would have fared much better with Chibnall's poor writing and limited characterisation because that's what's really held Jodie back I think.

Chibnall's characterisation of the doctor is just weak and extreme in her passiveness. She's not allowed to be as multi-faceted as other doctors who would often flip between kindness and necessary brutality when it came to their enemies and that's overly simplified the character too much and made her seem dumber than any other doctor since, painfully enough, they made the first female doctor someone who is ruled by their heart, not their head. It's just poor that they've obviously written her differently when she should have been more in line with the other doctors but have her own quirks.

I don't think we'll really see what Jodie can do until we get a new showrunner that will overhaul the character.

[Rob!]

Rosa was great obviously, though not without it’s flaws. Punjab was excellent but for me the best episode of the series was Kerblam! I thought there were some really clever twists that all made sense come the end and the robots were creepy.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, Chibnall's "characterisation" of 13 seems to be non-existent until at various stages he remembers "Oh the Doctor has to be eccentric!!" So makes her randomly eat soil and then say how much she loves something.

Yes, Tom Baker loved jelly babies, Tennant shouted Allons-y and Smith thought Fez's were cool but that was not the start and end of their characterisation.

[Rob!]

Yeah, Chibnall's "characterisation" of 13 seems to be non-existent until at various stages he remembers "Oh the Doctor has to be eccentric!!" So makes her randomly eat soil and then say how much she loves something.

Yes, Tom Baker loved jelly babies, Tennant shouted Allons-y and Smith thought Fez's were cool but that was not the start and end of their characterisation.

I actually mouthed along with her saying “I love wellies” last night. It was so predictable.

[Tom4784]

Let's just hope the rumours of him leaving are true. I don't know if the series could survive another season of Chibnall tbh.

[Oliver_W]

I actually mouthed along with her saying “I love wellies” last night. It was so predictable.

A lot of the episodes may as well have been reciting the alphabet - we all know that L is followed by MNOP, so unless you either mix up the letters or do something different with them, it's all a bit flat.

[Greg!]

I watched the finale and it was good! Don't know what you're all bloody moaning about! :oh:

I agree thought that this series hasn't been the best. Hopefully next series there will be more of a story arc and better writing

[Scarlett.]

-gNz_6HeaW4

[Morgan.]

THIS series reminded by of that show where Jodie Whittaker played a lady pretending to be a doctor :love:

[Morgan.]

Joking I love jodielegend

[Oliver_W]

I watched the Christmas Carol episode earlier, it's soo good. Makes me miss how amazing the show was sometimes <3

[Scarlett.]

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[Oliver_W]

1077539963481276416

Already it's the best 13th Doctor ep <3

[Greg!]

So this is on tonight lol! Perched!

[Greg!]

Sheffield is the new Cardiff, the amount of times aliens bloody invade her!

[Greg!]

Why doesn't anyone know what a Dalek is when they literally invaded the whole planet a few years ago

[Greg!]

Can this Ryan and dad scene END!

[The Grinch]

Why doesn't anyone know what a Dalek is when they literally invaded the whole planet a few years ago

Oh I don't know.

[Ashsleigh]

Why doesn't anyone know what a Dalek is when they literally invaded the whole planet a few years ago

T'cracks wiped them out

[Denver]

Not yet killing the hottie the scumbag

[Greg!]

T'cracks wiped them out

Oh yeah lmao forgot about that

[Oliver_W]

That Mitch guy is cool, wish he'd replace Ryan and/or Yaz!

[Greg!]

Mess not Unit shut down

[Oliver_W]

Urgh this is just awful. Does anyone actually care about Ryan's dad?

[Oliver_W]

This is just bad. The Dalek CGI model looks noticeably different to the prop, and what was with that stupid family WiFi scene?

[Rob!]

That was ****ing brilliant. Best episode Chibnall has ever written.

[Headie]

Mess not Unit shut down

Martha did that? :clap1:

[Good King Glennceslas]

The Dalek actually murdering loads of people though :love:

[Scarlett.]

That was the best episode since Moffat's era, more of that please Chibbers.

TBH, I think he handicapped himself with S11, by not reusing any old aliens, I hope we get more like this in S12

[Marsh.]

Definitely the best episode from Chibnall so far.

Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, Jodie let it down in parts again. Her line delivery is kind of annoying. Well, after 11 episodes, it's now REALLY annoying. :(

Also, it's the first time I've really appreciated the new score. :love: More of this please.

[Marsh.]

Gutted about UNIT though, there was no need. We wanted Kate Stewart and Osgood in the wings to make appearances.

[Marsh.]

Next time I get pulled over for speeding I can't wait to say "You are an enemy of the Daleks!"

[Ashsleigh]

Definitely the best episode from Chibnall so far.

Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, Jodie let it down in parts again. Her line delivery is kind of annoying. Well, after 11 episodes, it's now REALLY annoying. :(

Also, it's the first time I've really appreciated the new score. :love: More of this please.

I don't see how it can be Jodie, as other shows have proved how well an actress she can be. They're just not allowing her to explore the character on her own because they're too busy trying to keep up with modern times and make her appear "relatable". It's like watching a pantomime.

[Scarlett.]

I don't see how it can be Jodie, as other shows have proved how well an actress she can be. They're just not allowing her to explore the character on her own because they're too busy trying to keep up with modern times and make her appear "relatable". It's like watching a pantomime.

I think its the way some lines are written, like, she'll have a solution to a question she just finished asking

[Marsh.]

I don't see how it can be Jodie, as other shows have proved how well an actress she can be. They're just not allowing her to explore the character on her own because they're too busy trying to keep up with modern times and make her appear "relatable". It's like watching a pantomime.

Yeah, maybe. Just like when she looks to the floor, holds her hands out and is explaining something with bizarre words the way she speaks really grates on me. Like a children's TV presenter.

I kind of agree, in interviews she's more Doctor-y than she is onscreen. If I was a director I'd be like "Jodie, play yourself love!"

[Ashsleigh]

I think its the way some lines are written, like, she'll have a solution to a question she just finished asking

That too. It's very repetitive.

Yeah, maybe. Just like when she looks to the floor, holds her hands out and is explaining something with bizarre words the way she speaks really grates on me. Like a children's TV presenter.

I kind of agree, in interviews she's more Doctor-y than she is onscreen. If I was a director I'd be like "Jodie, play yourself love!"

Exactly. She overpronounces every single word as though she's teaching a child how to talk. It's unnatural. And it's clearly just the writing since I'm noticing it a lot in the companions too, mostly Graham. The patronising tone, how you'd speak to a four year old.

[Marsh.]

It's the best paced episode he's written, and he balanced the character stuff a lot better too. Felt like it flowed much more naturally.

The dialogue is still his weakest point though, as Ashley says.

[Headie]

People on Twitter fuming that the BBC used the axing of UNIT as a dig at Brexit voters :joker:

[Marsh.]

The scene itself was actually funny. The first bit of genuine humour, but sad at the same time. :(

[Marsh.]

And can I just say the most bad-ass Dalek the show's had in years.

Who knew Chibbers had it in him?

[Scarlett.]

Interested in how UNIT will be back, was surprised The Doctor didn't try Captain Jack though, lol

[Good King Glennceslas]

This was the first episode this season that actually gave me goosebumps in a few places. A marked improvement, that I hope continues into S12

[Rob!]

It's the best paced episode he's written, and he balanced the character stuff a lot better too. Felt like it flowed much more naturally.

The dialogue is still his weakest point though, as Ashley says.

I will say I thought he wrote the Dalek very well, which sounds weird when you're talking about something that's fairly one-note like the Daleks, but they are quite hard to get to sound right. Victory of the Daleks has the most annoying line where a Dalek says "Stalemate, Doctor" which always wound me up as why would the Daleks use an expression that derives from a game that humans play? I mean, I know later it was established that chess is a game that is played over the universe but you will never get me to believe that the line was given that much thought.

[Marsh.]

Were those the Power Ranger Daleks? *shudders*

[Rob!]

Were those the Power Ranger Daleks? *shudders*

Yes and now we have the Kardashian Dalek with it's skinny top and huge ass :love:

[Marsh.]

Yes and now we have the Kardashian Dalek with it's skinny top and huge ass :love:

:joker:

[Marsh.]

I love how Chibbers is rebuilding everything with scrapyard junk and Sheffield steel.

[Braden]

Dalek came waltzing through with a new cinched waist. I could not believe.

[Rob!]

I love how Chibbers is rebuilding everything with scrapyard junk and Sheffield steel.

Coming to Walford soon to fix the bin problem?

[Scarlett.]

Coming to Walford soon to fix the bin problem?

https://perpetualstateofmildpanic.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/doctor-who-rose-mickey-smith-wheelie-bin.jpg

[Oliver_W]

When the narrator was talking about how "the enemy" was cut up and buried in different parts of the world, and a skull was among the things Mitch and whatsherface had recovered, I was expecting a bait and switch, that the enemy would be Captain Jack and the skeleton would reform...

[Ashsleigh]

Dalek came waltzing through with a new cinched waist. I could not believe.

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

When the narrator was talking about how "the enemy" was cut up and buried in different parts of the world, and a skull was among the things Mitch and whatsherface had recovered, I was expecting a bait and switch, that the enemy would be Captain Jack and the skeleton would reform...

John Barrowman's eyes LIT up then!

[Tom4784]

That was.... Okay I guess.

It's still got all the Chibnall related problems though. Like, WHY is he so vehemently opposed to presenting the Doctor as being competent? If this was any other Doctor, the episode would have ended at the factory where the Dalek reforged it's shell but instead the Doctor ****s up twice and almost gets Ryan's dad killed. It's just.... Why give the first female doctor this characterisation? Why is she not allowed to have the same big moments as the other doctors have had? It''s pretty unforgivable.

I'm also SICK of Chibnall's terrible writing, if I hear 'It can't be' in another one of his episodes, I'm done. He can only write in the most painful of cliches and his dialogue is just woeful and forced. The whole bit with the family having no wi-fi wasn't funny, it was just cringeworthy, needless and patronising. It's obvious and unimaginative and I think that sums up Chibnall's writing in a nutshell.

[Tom4784]

He wrote the Dalek stuff pretty well I suppose but then again, if his best writing comes from an inhumane avatar of destruction incapable of emotion, empathy or any kind of meaningful connection then that says it all, really.

[Rob!]

That was.... Okay I guess.

It's still got all the Chibnall related problems though. Like, WHY is he so vehemently opposed to presenting the Doctor as being competent? If this was any other Doctor, the episode would have ended at the factory where the Dalek reforged it's shell but instead the Doctor ****s up twice and almost gets Ryan's dad killed. It's just.... Why give the first female doctor this characterisation? Why is she not allowed to have the same big moments as the other doctors have had? It''s pretty unforgivable.

I'm also SICK of Chibnall's terrible writing, if I hear 'It can't be' in another one of his episodes, I'm done. He can only write in the most painful of cliches and his dialogue is just woeful and forced. The whole bit with the family having no wi-fi wasn't funny, it was just cringeworthy, needless and patronising. It's obvious and unimaginative and I think that sums up Chibnall's writing in a nutshell.

He wrote the Dalek stuff pretty well I suppose but then again, if his best writing comes from an inhumane avatar of destruction incapable of emotion, empathy or any kind of meaningful connection then that says it all, really.


So...had a good Christmas babe?

[Tom4784]

It was lovely, thanks xxx.

[Mokka]

Dalek came waltzing through with a new cinched waist. I could not believe.

:joker::joker::joker:

I love this so much

[Mokka]

And can I just say the most bad-ass Dalek the show's had in years.

Who knew Chibbers had it in him?

That Dalek was the best part of the episode. I'm kinda glad we have a years break from this. Gonna watch the Eccelston/Tennant eras and reflect on the good old days... maybe a bit of Capaldi during the Bill era.

[Oliver_W]

I'm also SICK of Chibnall's terrible writing, if I hear 'It can't be' in another one of his episodes, I'm done. He can only write in the most painful of cliches and his dialogue is just woeful and forced. The whole bit with the family having no wi-fi wasn't funny, it was just cringeworthy, needless and patronising. It's obvious and unimaginative and I think that sums up Chibnall's writing in a nutshell.

It's so crap and predictable, isn't it. I said "no! It can't be!" in a stupid voice in perfect unison with JW.

And the family bit - it says something when you can tell even the actors think what they're saying is rubbish!

[Scarlett.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7HYPNTXYAAo1X9.jpg

[Greg!]

Iconic

[Morgan.]

OMG yes

[Scarlett.]

I'm hoping with old aliens making a comeback, the Doctor isnt going to have to spend forever explaining everything lol

[Greg!]

I'm hoping with old aliens making a comeback, the Doctor isnt going to have to spend forever explaining everything lol

TEA!!! Cba with half the episodes taken up by her explaining the back stories and non-existent scientific theories again!

[Oliver_W]

When I saw Judoon was trending on twitter, I expected it to be a footballer or something, I was so glad it was actually Dr Who <3

I hope she regenerates soon - anyone from my sigpic would do nicely.

[Rob!]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7HYPNTXYAAo1X9.jpg

YASSSS!!!!

Also, SCREAMING at the hair.

[Denver]

Rafe Spall has said he was meant to be the doctor but they got rid of him when he started telling people, he didnt say when though but I guess he was instead of Matt Smith?

[Denver]

Maxim Baldry has apparently signed up for various episodes.

I believe him and Mandip were in Hollyoaks together

[Braden]

Viktor :love: :love:

[Marsh.]

Maxim Baldry has apparently signed up for various episodes.

I believe him and Mandip were in Hollyoaks together

Since her character died the year before he made his first appearance, I believe they did not.

[Scarlett.]

Cybermen spotted filming

https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/15c92cf462ff58b99e9b35f416f5b11a/5E149D0B/t51.2885-15/e35/68784782_1344309665724296_821184330025279532_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com

https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/408fd345f14cbb0613ce60a200559747/5DDB1D2F/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/67628729_1127481070777445_1957626354195839431_n.jp g?_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com

[Liam-]

Cybermen spotted filming

https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/15c92cf462ff58b99e9b35f416f5b11a/5E149D0B/t51.2885-15/e35/68784782_1344309665724296_821184330025279532_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com

https://scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/408fd345f14cbb0613ce60a200559747/5DDB1D2F/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/67628729_1127481070777445_1957626354195839431_n.jp g?_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.cdninstagram.com

:love:

[Morgan.]

They’re the new cybermen again which is a bit sad but a welcome return if they’re done right.

[Rob!]

The Cybermen are tricky to get right tbh. Moffat's Cybermen episodes while entertaining rarely featured them in an especially prominent role. They were more foot soldiers for the master/missy.

[Good King Glennceslas]

I never really liked the Cybermen.

[Oliver_W]

I prefer the old school Cybs. In NuWho they're basically always just stompy robots with no mind of their own. While in the old series they weren't too far removed from that in concept, but they still had individual minds, and could make their own plans etc.

[Ant.]

What I liked about the Mondasian Cybermen is how... primitive they were design-wise. They still look human and I think they act more human, too. It's super creepy and unsettling compared to the monochrome Iron Men we see in NuWho

[Joe.]

So no Christmas special, and nothing new to the new year, what was everyone's consensus on Jodie and S11?

[MB.]

Jodie was fine, the season itself was trash

[Joe.]

Jodie was fine, the season itself was trash

I think 'The Battle of...' was one of the WORST season finales in the shows history.

[Time to Sleigh]

So no Christmas special, and nothing new to the new year, what was everyone's consensus on Jodie and S11?

Didn't mind Jodie but it was an awful season and Bradley and gang were hideous assistants :fist:

[Morgan.]

Jodie did the best she could woth a terrible script and poor storytelling, and now has to take the blame for ruining the series for being a woman when it actually had nothing to do with her ability.

[Morgan.]

Yaz was the only good companion and shes the only one of the 3 id like to see back.

[Liam-]

Jodie was great, I loved her take on the character, the script was awful as were all of the companions, the next series needs a massive change

[Morgan.]

Jodie was great, I loved her take on the character, the script was awful as were all of the companions, the next series needs a massive change

People mistake the bad script for bad acting on jodies part and it frustrates the HELL out of me.

[Liam-]

People mistake the bad script for bad acting on jodies part and it frustrates the HELL out of me.

Yeah but no matter what she did she would have been slaughtered, I think she did a really good job with what she was given, but she could have given an Oscar worthy performance and people still would have slagged it off, cause she’s a woman and the thousand year old alien who travels through time and space and regenerates, just HAS to be a man for it to be ’realistic‘ :sleep:

[Good King Glennceslas]

Jodie was great, the scripts were not.

[Tom4784]

Jodie was great, as was Bradley, surprisingly enough but the other two assistants were trash and the scripts were beyond terrible.

[Scarlett.]

They threw too much at the wall, you had basically four new characters to get used to, rather than the usual one or on the rare occasion, two. Then you had no returning monsters, which put further pressure on the episodes to make up a new threat each week, instead of being able to use old monsters as a vehicle for character progression. The last problem was that there was just no tension.

[Morgan.]

They made the sonic way too much of a plot solver again too iirc

[Joe.]

Jodie did the best she could woth a terrible script and poor storytelling, and now has to take the blame for ruining the series for being a woman when it actually had nothing to do with her ability.

THIS IS THE TRUE TEA. The writing was just terrible and the companions ridiculous, I mean who even was 'Ryan'?

Jodie is a talented actress and made do with what she had, but it was still dire and no-where near classic Who.

[user104658]

They threw too much at the wall, you had basically four new characters to get used to, rather than the usual one or on the rare occasion, two. Then you had no returning monsters, which put further pressure on the episodes to make up a new threat each week, instead of being able to use old monsters as a vehicle for character progression. The last problem was that there was just no tension.

Indeed; I think they really need to overlap companion / doctor changes most of the time. The change to Capaldi would not have worked as well as it did AT ALL without Clara, nor the change from Eccleston to Tennant without Rose :shrug:. Tennant to Smith worked, partly because Tennant went "companionless" for good while after losing Rose and partly smply because Matt Smith (imo) really carried his first few episodes compellingly.

But I think they needed to keep Bill for the transition this time round. Instead they lumped in a load of underdeveloped "filler" companions and it doesn't work. They tried for a "clean break" but overshot the landing strip.

[Time to Sleigh]

I agree I think when they overlapped the companions it worked better. Thats why the master/mistress? Should have been in a couple of first episodes with Jodie. I think that worked have worked really well

[Nicky91]

the Rosa Parks episode was fab though :love:


at least i had goosebumps near the end scene, with the Andra Day song Rise Up

[Time to Sleigh]

the Rosa Parks episode was fab though :love:


at least i had goosebumps near the end scene, with the Andra Day song Rise Up

Oh yeah that was an emotional scene but even that episode has some dodgy writing and acting

[Oliver_W]

Jodie was fine, the scripts didn't allow her to be great but she did the best thing she could with what she was given. Bradley was the best thing about her season.

The entire season just added nothing - it didn't expand on any of the old enemies, I can't close my eyes and "picture" any of the new ones. Rosa is the only memorable episode, but that doesn't save the season. It was just a wasted year basically.

I really wouldn't care if the Beeb decided to just throw it in the bin and have a new S11 with an entirely new cast.

[Morgan.]

Bradley was awful I dont really get his appeal

[Marsh.]

It was odd that every time a companion carries over from one Doctor to another we have a transition where they struggle to accept this new person as the Doctor but the one time that change was bigger than many before it, we didn't have any companion to react to the fact the Doctor was now female.

I mean, I get they didn't want to make a big thing of it (nor should they), but the clean break hasn't helped ease Jodie into the show's universe I don't think.

[Tom4784]

Bradley was awful I dont really get his appeal

I was sceptical when he was cast but he was the only compelling companion in S11. Ryan (was that his name? I can't remember) was a terribly written character and the actor wasn't good at all and Yaz was played by a decent actress but the character was a nothing character that was nothing more than a spectator even in episodes that focused on her.

Bradley turned in the best performance and had the most well rounded character of the three.

I think the only time Season 11 worked well was when they dealt with human tragedy and more complex issues. Both the Rosa Parks and Punjab episodes were great because they focused on the reality of the times. Chibnall can't write a good alien threat to save his life but Season 11 shined when it dealt with strictly human themes/

[Oliver_W]

It was odd that every time a companion carries over from one Doctor to another we have a transition where they struggle to accept this new person as the Doctor but the one time that change was bigger than many before it, we didn't have any companion to react to the fact the Doctor was now female.

I mean, I get they didn't want to make a big thing of it (nor should they), but the clean break hasn't helped ease Jodie into the show's universe I don't think.
Bill is in my top three rotating favourites when it comes to NuWho. She's great and I wish she lasted longer. I'd happily trade her for all three of JW's.

I was sceptical when he was cast but he was the only compelling companion in S11. Ryan (was that his name? I can't remember) was a terribly written character and the actor wasn't good at all and Yaz was played by a decent actress but the character was a nothing character that was nothing more than a spectator even in episodes that focused on her.

Bradley turned in the best performance and had the most well rounded character of the three.

I think the only time Season 11 worked well was when they dealt with human tragedy and more complex issues. Both the Rosa Parks and Punjab episodes were great because they focused on the reality of the times. Chibnall can't write a good alien threat to save his life but Season 11 shined when it dealt with strictly human themes/
Agree with basically all of this. That said, I liked Chib's episodes when he was writing under the other showrunners. Though I can't forgive him for "Homo reptillia", as the Silurians aren't hominids!

[Morgan.]

Loved Bill and actually think shed have been perfect to transition into Jodie’s series just to gove that familiarity with the show.

[Scarlett.]

Seems we might get a special after all
https://cultbox.co.uk/news/doctor-who-series-12-news-on-a-special

[Marsh.]

I don't think there was any doubt of another special tbh.

[Scarlett.]

I dunno, Chris Chibnall has been kinda weird with the show, with Moffat and RTD the specials were pretty much a given, with Chibnall its almost feels like he doesnt wanna do them.

[Good King Glennceslas]

It will be New Years Day at the earliest. Wasn’t it confirmed that there isn’t any Doctor Who this year?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Filming last night. RTD gold Daleks back and a new recon Dalek

[Denver]

I really hope the writing has improved, the cast is great and the show could be amazing with great writing

[Good King Glennceslas]

I’ve read on DS that the Special is a part two for the New Years special with
Dalek Fleet the recon Dalek summoned arriving on earth

[Greg!]

I’ve read on DS that the Special is a part two for the New Years special with
Dalek Fleet the recon Dalek summoned arriving on earth

Hope this is true, been ages since there was a proper dalek invasion story

[Tom4784]

I’ve read on DS that the Special is a part two for the New Years special with
Dalek Fleet the recon Dalek summoned arriving on earth

How boring.

There's not been a good Dalek episode in years, this will be no different.

[Good King Glennceslas]

The one with Davros was ok

[Good King Glennceslas]

Well actually it was Davros that made it ok

[Scarlett.]

Well actually it was Davros that made it ok

and Missy :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

CjN0LI8NHVE

[Oliver_W]

Cool! There's meant to be something Doctor Who related on Children in Need, hope it's a release date!

[Time to Sleigh]

Cool! There's meant to be something Doctor Who related on Children in Need, hope it's a release date!

There always is. I doubt a release date. It will be a 1 minute scene of jodie whittaker meeting pudsey the bear and being overly excited about it. It will be cheesy as hell and the script will be as bad as the last series. So don't get your hopes up

[Braden]

I was one of the very few who loved season 11. I'm so excited for this to return, and hope the cast remains the same.

[Marsh.]

It's About Time
Watch This Space

I like the double meaning tag lines.

[Morgan.]

Doctor Who fans face a Christmas without their favourite show, with no festive special planned – for the second year running.

But there is some good news – the long-awaited 12th series is due to start on New Year’s Day, with one of the biggest episodes in the show’s history.

Insiders say the first instalment of a two-part story, starring Jodie Whittaker , is one of the most ambitious ever attempted.

A BBC One source said: “It’s going to be huge. The scale is just epic. No one will be disappointed.”

The second half of the story is then expected to air on January 4, as the series shifts back to its traditional Saturday evening teatime slot.

A festive special involving the Daleks is thought to have already been filmed – but it will not air until next Christmas or New Year.

.

[Greg!]

It won’t let me change the title to series 12! @mods get it sorted please chicks x

[Morgan.]

Stephen Fry and Lenny Henry will Star in S12

[Marsh.]

So... is NYD episode 1 of 10 or is it counted as a separate special?

[Morgan.]

So... is NYD episode 1 of 10 or is it counted as a separate special?

From what I’m hearing, it’s episode 1, with the series continuing on the 4th (as it’s a two parter)

[Good King Glennceslas]

So the Dalek ep isn’t til NEXT Christmas/Year?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Unless it’s the finale of S12?

[Morgan.]

So the Dalek ep isn’t til NEXT Christmas/Year?

2020 New Year

[Marsh.]

2020 New Year

*2021

Unless the Dalek is part of the finale for S12.

[Morgan.]

*2021

Unless the Dalek is part of the finale for S12.

Ah sorry, I misread the comment.

[user104658]

I don't think they've thought this through. What if Jodie Whittaker loses an eye before 2021? I mean SURE they could explain it away as the Doctor's regenerative abilities, but then it's missing again in the very next episode? Doesn't even make sense. MASSIVE plot hole.

[Morgan.]

Chibnall has said he’s already working on S13 and has suggested he and the current TARDIS Team will all return.

[user104658]

Chibnall has said he’s already working on S13 and has suggested he and the current TARDIS Team will all return.Yukk I haven't even watched 11 because I disliked them all so much in the first 3 episodes. I miss Doctor Who, I bloody loved the entire Tennant/Smith/Capaldi era, and frustratingly after all the worries about the gender change, I like Jodie Whittaker fine in the role... And yet the managed to wreck it with crap secondary characters and crap writing. Well done :hmph:.

Might be due a rewatch of Smith I think :hee:

[Time to Sleigh]

Did you all see the trailer for the series before strictly last night...wow

[Marsh.]

I don't think they've thought this through. What if Jodie Whittaker loses an eye before 2021? I mean SURE they could explain it away as the Doctor's regenerative abilities, but then it's missing again in the very next episode? Doesn't even make sense. MASSIVE plot hole.

Maybe she's leaving.

[Marsh.]

Chibnall has said he’s already working on S13 and has suggested he and the current TARDIS Team will all return.

I doubt it. I reckon it's been filmed so far ahead either due to nicking this year's budget for next after cutting an episode or because 1 or more cast members are leaving so filming their last episode now means they can go off and not worry about remaining free next year to film one more special.