Labour appoint racist Munroe Bergdorf as equalities adviser

[Northern Monkey]

Munroe was the first transgender model to front a campaign for L'Oreal but was dropped in September after claims she posted racist comments online.

She wrote a lengthy Facebook post which it's claimed included the comment: "Honestly I don't have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.

"Because most of ya'll don't even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour.

"Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

The comments were later deleted.

L'Oreal said her comments were "at odds" with their values and it ended its partnership with her.

The 29-year-old will work with Labour's shadow minister for women and equalities, Dawn Butler, who held an event at Parliament on Monday to announce the LGBT advisory panel.

She also said -

Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.

Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’

Amongst other vile stuff.

Conservative vice-chair Helen Grant urged Ms Butler to reconsider the appointment.

Citing Bergdorf’s history of controversial comments, Ms Grant said: ‘There really is no excuse for these abhorrent slurs and, fundamentally, they damage the campaign to promote equality and diversity across public life.

When Jeremy Corbyn was elected Labour leader, he promised a ‘kinder politics’. Yet it seems every day we see some new example of abuse from the Labour Party. The kind of language Bergdorf has used has no place in public life, and ought to be condemned by all those who are serious about promoting equality.’










http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43211136
http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/28/model-munroe-bergdorf-sacked-loreal-saying-white-people-racist-gets-job-labour-equalities-adviser-7347571/

[Oliver_W]

"Derp but only white people can be racist REEEE"

[Kizzy]

Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?

[montblanc]

she isn't racist you just obviously don't know what she was talking about

[montblanc]

yaass queen get that position :clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?

Any point she may have had about institutional racism got lost in all the sweeping generalisations of an entire race.

[Tom4784]

She had good points but she gave people who are too insecure to want to hear them an out by putting across her points in a terrible way.

[Oliver_W]

We're past all that now, nothing she said has any relevance in the modern world, not in the West anyway.

[Kizzy]

Any point she may have had about institutional racism got lost in all the sweeping generalisations of an entire race.

Our foreign secretary.... :idc:

'Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole'.

'The part-Kenyan President [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire'

[Northern Monkey]

“racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.”

“Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

“Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.”

“Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’
White people,white people,white people.........

Her comments speak for themselves.This whole concept of ‘white privilege’ is just regressive racism and has zero place in any kind of equality.I’m sure all the homeless white people she sees on the street daily would take issue with her assertions that they are so privileged and violent.
Extreme idiots like this are trying to divide us not bring us together.

[Northern Monkey]

Our foreign secretary.... :idc:

'Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole'.

'The part-Kenyan President [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire'

He is an idiot too.

[Oliver_W]

'Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole'.
Differences in average IQ by race seem to be a real thing*, is it his choice of words you take issue with?

'The part-Kenyan President [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire'
Maybe this person does dislike the now non-existent British Empire? He didn't say "all Kenyans"

He is an idiot too.
This also.

The fact there are idiots on all sides doesn't excuse other idiots.


* Or at least, differences in the results of IQ tests. Some might say they are flawed, and the results could vary based on samples.

[Beso]

Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?

Are you saying white folks are more violent than black folks like this clown?

[Northern Monkey]

Differences in average IQ by race seem to be a real thing, is it his choice of words you take issue with?


Maybe this person does dislike the now non-existent British Empire? He didn't say "all Kenyans"

Even if true then i still think the foreign secretary saying it is an awful idea.It doesn’t do any good for anyone.It’s another generalisation that’s gonna piss people off.I’d have thought he’d have got in trouble for it.

[Kizzy]

“racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.”

“Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

“Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.”

“Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’
White people,white people,white people.........

Her comments speak for themselves.This whole concept of ‘white privilege’ is just regressive racism and has zero place in any kind of equality.I’m sure all the homeless white people she sees on the street daily would take issue with her assertions that they are so privileged and violent.
Extreme idiots like this are trying to divide us not bring us together.

Sociologically, politically, historically, and geographically ... it exists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is an awful person

what a terrible appointment but no surprise from this shower of idiots

:facepalm:

[Kizzy]

Are you saying white folks are more violent than black folks like this clown?

Are you saying there's a racial propensity to violence?

[bots]

The conservatives have made some choice picks for their spokespeople in the past too, its rarely ever about competence to do the job, it's about rewarding loyalty or buying favour and it stinks

[Twosugars]

We're past all that now, nothing she said has any relevance in the modern world, not in the West anyway.
why?
when exactly did universal racial equality and love break out? I must have been asleep.

[Oliver_W]

why?
when exactly did universal racial equality and love break out? I must have been asleep.

Who said anything about love? But people of all races are legally equal now, there are diversity schemes in place in several workplaces, and most people don't give a crap about race. There was no "break out", it was and still is a gradual process.

[Kizzy]

Differences in average IQ by race seem to be a real thing*, is it his choice of words you take issue with?


Maybe this person does dislike the now non-existent British Empire? He didn't say "all Kenyans"


This also.

The fact there are idiots on all sides doesn't excuse other idiots.


* Or at least, differences in the results of IQ tests. Some might say they are flawed, and the results could vary based on samples.

If they are based on a flawed sample they are not a 'real thing' are they?...:/

He stated he had a dislike of the British empire specifically due to the fact he was Part Kenynan due to the phrase 'ancestral' dislike, intimating it is intrinsic not personal.

So you agree that this government minister is an idiot? Why then is there not a front page spread about him and his unsuitability for his job... Or an expose on how the tories could justify employing him?

[Greg!]

She had good points but she gave people who are too insecure to want to hear them an out by putting across her points in a terrible way.

.

[Beso]

Are you saying there's a racial propensity to violence?

You go first:hee:

[Kizzy]

You go first:hee:

I think you just proved her point... :hee:

[Northern Monkey]

Sociologically, politically, historically, and geographically ... it exists.

Statistical disparity doesn’t mean discrimination..Discrimination due to race is illegal.We live in a meritocracy now.Capitalism doesn’t see colour it sees money.Race discrimination isn’t productive.If you’re racist you lose money.

Historically,So what?Do we want to live in the past forever or move on?This is what these leftist activists do.Constantly bringing up and living in the past to try and keep people living in a constant state of victimhood to benefit their political narrative and try and keep white people feeling guilty about what their ancestors have done.
All it does is hold people back.

Geographically,Yeah all this lovely weather is giving us a real helping hand.

All this generalising people by race is regressive af.There are so many other factors of how people prosper.
So yes the concept of white privilege is racist.Attributing to the individual attributes due to skin colour is racism.

[Kizzy]

Statistical disparity doesn’t mean discrimination..Discrimination due to race is illegal.We live in a meritocracy now.Capitalism doesn’t see colour it sees money.Race discrimination isn’t productive.If you’re racist you lose money.

Historically,So what?Do we want to live in the past forever or move on?This is what these leftist activists do.Constantly bringing up and living in the past to try and keep people living in a constant state of victimhood to benefit their political narrative and try and keep white people feeling guilty about what their ancestors have done.
All it does is hold people back.

Geographically,Yeah all this lovely weather is giving us a real helping hand.

All this generalising people by race is regressive af.There are so many other factors of how people prosper.
So yes the concept of white privilege is racist.Attributing to the individual attributes due to skin colour is racism.

:joker::joker::joker: You better tell the Mail that and they'll stop all their 'migrant' front pages immediately I'm sure.

Says the young, white male.

[Northern Monkey]

:joker::joker::joker: You better tell the Mail that and they'll stop all their 'migrant' front pages immediately I'm sure.

Says the young, white male.

I can’t ever remember the Mail saying ‘keep these brown people out’.They wouldn’t be allowed.It’s illegal.

[Brillopad]

Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?

Because giving such roles to transgenders has far more to do with making a statement than it does with ability. The party becomes more of a joke by the day. Enough rope.

[Brillopad]

:joker::joker::joker: You better tell the Mail that and they'll stop all their 'migrant' front pages immediately I'm sure.

Says the young, white male.

You are so blinded by your ‘hate’ of tradition and ‘whites’ etc you will argue white is black to get a reaction. Get a grip - the Mail is a paper just as is the garbage the Guardian. Neither dictates moral standards.

[Kizzy]

You are so blinded by your ‘hate’ of tradition and ‘whites’ etc you will argue white is black to get a reaction. Get a grip - the Mail is a paper just as is the garbage the Guardian. Neither dictates moral standards.

I 'hate' whites?...

[Brillopad]

I 'hate' whites?...

Oops sorry I should have said non-socialist well-off whites and those who love their country and it’s traditional way of life.

[Underscore]

This thread is summing up every generalisation of polarising Britain jeez

[Oliver_W]

Yeah it is getting rather derailed. The point is that people who say scummy things like that shouldn't be near mainstream politics, let alone in a major party.

[Underscore]

Yeah it is getting rather derailed. The point is that people who say scummy things like that shouldn't be near mainstream politics, let alone in a major party.

Sadly the fact is it is endemic in our political system on both sides. We need to weed them out and deselect them.

[Kizzy]

Sadly the fact is it is endemic in our political system on both sides. We need to weed them out and deselect them.

Great idea! let's start with bojo! :D

[Underscore]

Great idea! let's start with bojo! :D

Kizzy I am a member of Labour you know.

I fully agree with you.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy I am a member of Labour you know.

I fully agree with you.

Hello comrade!! ... er, * cough* I mean great! ;)

[Underscore]

Hello comrade!! ... er, * cough* I mean great! ;)

Although maybe not the comrade you're hoping for ;)

I voted Liz in 2015 and Owen in 2016 :hehe: but still a loyal member nonetheless

[Brillopad]

Great idea! let's start with bojo! :D

And Corbyn. Only Corbynites actually want him, not many of the grass-routes Labour Party members.

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/06/model-munroe-bergdorf-quits-as-labour-lgbt-adviser

[Livia]

Could this be the only forum where people actually stick up for this ridiculous person? Are we down the old Red rabbit hole again?

[kirklancaster]

Could this be the only forum where people actually stick up for this ridiculous person? Are we down the old Red rabbit hole again?

No one who spews such bile in public should EVER be rewarded with positions of power, influence or prestige by ANY political party.

This imbecile is beyond any rational support. In my opinion.

[Alf]

As someone who never want's to see Labour in power again, I think this is great news.

[Livia]

As someone who never want's to see Labour in power again, I think this is great news.

LOL... great post Alfie.

[smudgie]

She resigned.
But rather stupid for anyone to have her in the first place.

[arista]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/06/model-munroe-bergdorf-quits-as-labour-lgbt-adviser


https://news.sky.com/story/transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf-quits-labour-role-amid-racism-row-11278316


Yes its sensible for her to quit
as it became about him/her
all the time.
Bad tweets etc.

https://e3.365dm.com/17/11/1096x616/skynews-munroe-bergdof-transgender_4157849.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180306101321

[Alf]

LOL... great post Alfie.

:grin2:

[Kizzy]

Could this be the only forum where people actually stick up for this ridiculous person? Are we down the old Red rabbit hole again?
Could you explain what the 'old red rabbit hole' is please?

[Oliver_W]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/06/model-munroe-bergdorf-quits-as-labour-lgbt-adviser
Oh lordy, the subheading says Her appointment was criticised by Conservatives because of previous social media comments, but I'm pretty sure Labour supporters weren't happy with her appointment either.
The transgender model and campaigner Munroe Bergdorf has quit her role on the Labour party’s LGBT advisory board after attacks in the tabloid press and by Conservatives (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/conservatives)over comments she had made.
But what looks like a citation is just a link to the various articles of their writers sperging on about the Tories, rather than a link to anything directly relevant.

Gotta love the Grauniad.

[armand.kay]

I’m sorry labour but wtf.

[Livia]

I have no problem with transgender women, but I don't want them representing me as any kind of 'equality adviser'. She knows as much about women's issues that I know about transgender issues... ie, not that much.

[Oliver_W]

I have no problem with transgender women, but I don't want them representing me as any kind of 'equality adviser'. She knows as much about women's issues that I know about transgender issues... ie, not that much.

Like how that Lily Madigan got the Women's Officer for her local Labour office bullied out of office her being a "TERF", and then took her job...

[Livia]

Like how that Lily Madigan got the Women's Officer for her local Labour office bullied out of office her being a "TERF", and then took her job...

Exactly like that. And I'm sure that irks some long-standing Labour supporters, as well as non-Labour voters.

[Oliver_W]

Exactly like that. And I'm sure that irks some long-standing Labour supporters, as well as non-Labour voters.

I'm sure it does, like I said in my post upthread, I didn't like have the Guardian made it sound like only Conservatives had a problem with someone like that model being given such a position.

[Jack_]

I have no problem with transgender women, but I don't want them representing me as any kind of 'equality adviser'. She knows as much about women's issues that I know about transgender issues... ie, not that much.

She wouldn't have been representing you, because she was appointed a member of the LGBT+ advisory board, which is only a newly created division of the Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities' department.

[Mystic Mock]

Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?

The way she's worded it is extremely racist aswell tbf.

[Livia]

She wouldn't have been representing you, because she was appointed a member of the LGBT+ advisory board, which is only a newly created division of the Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities' department.

Great. Because transgender women are not the same as born women and don't understand women's issues, any more than I understand transgender issues.

[Jack_]

Great. Because transgender women are not the same as born women and don't understand women's issues, any more than I understand transgender issues.

Hm, quite.

Just wanted to clarify the position :)

[Livia]

Hm, quite.

Just wanted to clarify the position :)

I'm glad you're clear now. Although you only seem to have highlighted the bit where it says I don't understand transgender issues... as if that's the only bit you've taken on board.

[Jack_]

I'm glad you're clear now. Although you only seem to have highlighted the bit where it says I don't understand transgender issues... as if that's the only bit you've taken on board.

I'm glad you are too.

And you're right, it is - that's because it told me everything I need to know.

[Livia]

I'm glad you are too.

And you're right, it is - that's because it told me everything I need to know.

Oh Jack, I was clear from the start what you were trying to say. And I'm glad you think that tiny snippet of information is enough for you to form an opinion. And from whatever pigeon hole you've popped me into, I have to say that you being a man yourself, you wouldn't have a clue about the the myriad of ways a transsexual women and a born women differ. So let's leave it at that.

[Jack_]

Oh Jack, I was clear from the start what you were trying to say. And I'm glad you think that tiny snippet of information is enough for you to form an opinion. And from whatever pigeon hole you've popped me into, I have to say that you being a man yourself, you wouldn't have a clue about the the myriad of ways a transsexual women and a born women differ. So let's leave it at that.

I don't think you were.

Could you point me in the direction of where I said I could? As I remarked in a post a few weeks back, I routinely and

completely recognise my privilege as a white, (temporarily) able-bodied male, and agree with the importance of acknowledging one's social standing before passing judgement on issues of social exclusion and discrimination.

Ironically enough, this is something you often don't do yourself. But yeah, please learn to read my posts in future. It will help stop you jumping to conclusions.

For what it's worth though, I'd be willing to bet you don't have much of a clue in that regard either.

[chuff me dizzy]

Munroe was the first transgender model to front a campaign for L'Oreal but was dropped in September after claims she posted racist comments online.

She wrote a lengthy Facebook post which it's claimed included the comment: "Honestly I don't have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.

"Because most of ya'll don't even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour.

"Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

The comments were later deleted.




L'Oreal said her comments were "at odds" with their values and it ended its partnership with her.

The 29-year-old will work with Labour's shadow minister for women and equalities, Dawn Butler, who held an event at Parliament on Monday to announce the LGBT advisory panel.

She also said -

Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.

Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’

Amongst other vile stuff.

Conservative vice-chair Helen Grant urged Ms Butler to reconsider the appointment.

Citing Bergdorf’s history of controversial comments, Ms Grant said: ‘There really is no excuse for these abhorrent slurs and, fundamentally, they damage the campaign to promote equality and diversity across public life.

When Jeremy Corbyn was elected Labour leader, he promised a ‘kinder politics’. Yet it seems every day we see some new example of abuse from the Labour Party. The kind of language Bergdorf has used has no place in public life, and ought to be condemned by all those who are serious about promoting equality.’










http://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43211136
http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/28/model-munroe-bergdorf-sacked-loreal-saying-white-people-racist-gets-job-labour-equalities-adviser-7347571/

What a wonderful creature he/she is, ideal for Corbyns clan ,she will fit in well with the other white hater Abbott :idc:

[chuff me dizzy]

Because giving such roles to transgenders has far more to do with making a statement than it does with ability. The party becomes more of a joke by the day. Enough rope.

:clap1:

[Oliver_W]

She wouldn't have been representing you, because she was appointed a member of the LGBT+ advisory board, which is only a newly created division of the Shadow Minister for Women & Equalities' department.

I'm LGBT, and I don't want her representing me in any capacity.

[smudgie]

:clap1:

Lovely to see you in S&D Chuff. :cheer:

[chuff me dizzy]

Lovely to see you in S&D Chuff. :cheer:

Hiya :wavey:I only come on now and then for a look around, but couldn't stop myself commenting on the traitor Corbyn

[Vicky.]

Bergdorf is an utter twat

Labour continue making themselves unelectable. Its so ****ing depressing, having been a lifelong Labour voter, I cannot vote for them in their current form. They seem to be getting worse and worse by the day, nevermind the month

[chuff me dizzy]

Bergdorf is an utter twat

Labour continue making themselves unelectable. Its so ****ing depressing, having been a lifelong Labour voter, I cannot vote for them in their current form. They seem to be getting worse and worse by the day, nevermind the month

Same here, they could stick lighted matches down my nails and I still wouldn't vote Labour while Corbyn is leader and Abbott is still around

[jet]

Same here, they could stick lighted matches down my nails and I still wouldn't vote Labour while Corbyn is leader and Abbott is still around

:clap1: I just KNEW he couldn't fool you Chuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they are unelectable and are making UKIp look like a more electable bunch

Theresa may must be loving this

[chuff me dizzy]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-admits-being-member-of-controversial-facebook-group-11281462?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

[chuff me dizzy]

they are unelectable and are making UKIp look like a more electable bunch

Theresa may must be loving this

The reason he mainly does tours of universities is because the great unwashed,1st time voters do not know him of old and hang on his every word and THEY are the ones who will vote him in

[Crimson Dynamo]

The reason he mainly does tours of universities is because the great unwashed,1st time voters do not know him of old and hang on his every word and THEY are the ones who will vote him in

yep, you will always get young votes saying we must tax the rich (whoever the rich are) we must fight poverty, we must be more equal, we must love thy neighbour, help starving africans and all the other idealistic stuff

then these voters get a job, a car a mortgage and they start thinking about themselves a bit more and and their children and they think fck all that I want cheaper tax, petrol, mortgages and better schools/council services etc

:joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

yep, you will always get young votes saying we must tax the rich (whoever the rich are) we must fight poverty, we must be more equal, we must love thy neighbour, help starving africans and all the other idealistic stuff

then these voters get a job, a car a mortgage and they start thinking about themselves a bit more and and their children and they think fck all that I want cheaper tax, petrol, mortgages and better schools/council services etc

:joker:

True !! and Corbyn is ideal for the muppets to bow down too ,as they know no better

[Brillopad]

True !! and Corbyn is ideal for the muppets to bow down too ,as they know no better

You can't beat life experience. It's like a new apprentice trying to tell the qualified staff how it really is! :hehe:

[chuff me dizzy]

You can't beat life experience. It's like a new apprentice trying to tell the qualified staff how it really is! :hehe:

So true my lovely xxx

[Mystic Mock]

Bergdorf is an utter twat

Labour continue making themselves unelectable. Its so ****ing depressing, having been a lifelong Labour voter, I cannot vote for them in their current form. They seem to be getting worse and worse by the day, nevermind the month

Tbh our two main parties are getting lazy because they know that none of the other parties can challenge them so they don't have to put any effort into running the country.

[Mystic Mock]

yep, you will always get young votes saying we must tax the rich (whoever the rich are) we must fight poverty, we must be more equal, we must love thy neighbour, help starving africans and all the other idealistic stuff

then these voters get a job, a car a mortgage and they start thinking about themselves a bit more and and their children and they think fck all that I want cheaper tax, petrol, mortgages and better schools/council services etc

:joker:

It's ashame that we haven't got a party that can do all of this then LT.

[jet]

You can't beat life experience. It's like a new apprentice trying to tell the qualified staff how it really is! :hehe:

Indeed. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Like how that Lily Madigan got the Women's Officer for her local Labour office bullied out of office her being a "TERF", and then took her job...

Speaking of Lily Madigan, just saw this elsewhere. Lily totaly butchered with common sense arguments :D

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2EvPqQeLE0

[Kizzy]

You can't beat life experience. It's like a new apprentice trying to tell the qualified staff how it really is! :hehe:

I'm in my mid 40s... how much experience do you need before your mind totally closes off?