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Munroe was the first transgender model to front a campaign for L'Oreal but was dropped in September after claims she posted racist comments online.

She wrote a lengthy Facebook post which it's claimed included the comment: "Honestly I don't have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.

"Because most of ya'll don't even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour.

"Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

The comments were later deleted.

L'Oreal said her comments were "at odds" with their values and it ended its partnership with her.

The 29-year-old will work with Labour's shadow minister for women and equalities, Dawn Butler, who held an event at Parliament on Monday to announce the LGBT advisory panel.

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Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.

Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’

Amongst other vile stuff.

Conservative vice-chair Helen Grant urged Ms Butler to reconsider the appointment.

Citing Bergdorf’s history of controversial comments, Ms Grant said: ‘There really is no excuse for these abhorrent slurs and, fundamentally, they damage the campaign to promote equality and diversity across public life.

When Jeremy Corbyn was elected Labour leader, he promised a ‘kinder politics’. Yet it seems every day we see some new example of abuse from the Labour Party. The kind of language Bergdorf has used has no place in public life, and ought to be condemned by all those who are serious about promoting equality.’










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http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/28/model-...viser-7347571/
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"Derp but only white people can be racist REEEE"
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Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?
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she isn't racist you just obviously don't know what she was talking about
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Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?
Any point she may have had about institutional racism got lost in all the sweeping generalisations of an entire race.
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She had good points but she gave people who are too insecure to want to hear them an out by putting across her points in a terrible way.
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We're past all that now, nothing she said has any relevance in the modern world, not in the West anyway.
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Any point she may have had about institutional racism got lost in all the sweeping generalisations of an entire race.
Our foreign secretary....

'Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole'.

'The part-Kenyan President [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire'
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“racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.”

“Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

“Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.”

“Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’
White people,white people,white people.........

Her comments speak for themselves.This whole concept of ‘white privilege’ is just regressive racism and has zero place in any kind of equality.I’m sure all the homeless white people she sees on the street daily would take issue with her assertions that they are so privileged and violent.
Extreme idiots like this are trying to divide us not bring us together.
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Our foreign secretary....

'Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole'.

'The part-Kenyan President [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire'
He is an idiot too.
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'Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole'.
Differences in average IQ by race seem to be a real thing*, is it his choice of words you take issue with?

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'The part-Kenyan President [has an] ancestral dislike of the British empire'
Maybe this person does dislike the now non-existent British Empire? He didn't say "all Kenyans"

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He is an idiot too.
This also.

The fact there are idiots on all sides doesn't excuse other idiots.


* Or at least, differences in the results of IQ tests. Some might say they are flawed, and the results could vary based on samples.
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Why can't we acknowledge she has a point?...
Her historical depiction is factually accurate, why can't that be acknowledged.
There exists institutional racism , all these institutions don't have a racist ethos and the the required level of equality and diversity training and yet it exists.

Why should we have an equalities spokesperson who is afraid to address such issues?
Are you saying white folks are more violent than black folks like this clown?
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Differences in average IQ by race seem to be a real thing, is it his choice of words you take issue with?


Maybe this person does dislike the now non-existent British Empire? He didn't say "all Kenyans"
Even if true then i still think the foreign secretary saying it is an awful idea.It doesn’t do any good for anyone.It’s another generalisation that’s gonna piss people off.I’d have thought he’d have got in trouble for it.
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“racial violence of white people any more. Yes ALL white people.”

“Your entire existence is drenched in racism."

“Come see me when you realise that racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege.”

“Once white people begin to admit that their race
is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth… then we can talk.’
White people,white people,white people.........

Her comments speak for themselves.This whole concept of ‘white privilege’ is just regressive racism and has zero place in any kind of equality.I’m sure all the homeless white people she sees on the street daily would take issue with her assertions that they are so privileged and violent.
Extreme idiots like this are trying to divide us not bring us together.
Sociologically, politically, historically, and geographically ... it exists.
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she is an awful person

what a terrible appointment but no surprise from this shower of idiots

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Are you saying white folks are more violent than black folks like this clown?
Are you saying there's a racial propensity to violence?
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The conservatives have made some choice picks for their spokespeople in the past too, its rarely ever about competence to do the job, it's about rewarding loyalty or buying favour and it stinks
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We're past all that now, nothing she said has any relevance in the modern world, not in the West anyway.
why?
when exactly did universal racial equality and love break out? I must have been asleep.
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when exactly did universal racial equality and love break out? I must have been asleep.
Who said anything about love? But people of all races are legally equal now, there are diversity schemes in place in several workplaces, and most people don't give a crap about race. There was no "break out", it was and still is a gradual process.
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Differences in average IQ by race seem to be a real thing*, is it his choice of words you take issue with?


Maybe this person does dislike the now non-existent British Empire? He didn't say "all Kenyans"


This also.

The fact there are idiots on all sides doesn't excuse other idiots.


* Or at least, differences in the results of IQ tests. Some might say they are flawed, and the results could vary based on samples.
If they are based on a flawed sample they are not a 'real thing' are they?...:/

He stated he had a dislike of the British empire specifically due to the fact he was Part Kenynan due to the phrase 'ancestral' dislike, intimating it is intrinsic not personal.

So you agree that this government minister is an idiot? Why then is there not a front page spread about him and his unsuitability for his job... Or an expose on how the tories could justify employing him?
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You go first
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I think you just proved her point...
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Sociologically, politically, historically, and geographically ... it exists.
Statistical disparity doesn’t mean discrimination..Discrimination due to race is illegal.We live in a meritocracy now.Capitalism doesn’t see colour it sees money.Race discrimination isn’t productive.If you’re racist you lose money.

Historically,So what?Do we want to live in the past forever or move on?This is what these leftist activists do.Constantly bringing up and living in the past to try and keep people living in a constant state of victimhood to benefit their political narrative and try and keep white people feeling guilty about what their ancestors have done.
All it does is hold people back.

Geographically,Yeah all this lovely weather is giving us a real helping hand.

All this generalising people by race is regressive af.There are so many other factors of how people prosper.
So yes the concept of white privilege is racist.Attributing to the individual attributes due to skin colour is racism.
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