Pensioner bailed after arrest over fatal stabbing of intruder

[jaxie]

We like him to do that though :think:

I hope that's a royal we or someone will think we are a gang. :hehe:

[thesheriff443]

We like him to do that though :think:

Yes then we could lay some flowers!

[Crimson Dynamo]

My big fat gypsy funeral


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5607021/Gypsy-grandmother-73-given-lavish-send-off.html


the actual state of it


:umm2:

[smudgie]

What a lovely send off.
Mind you some of those flowers look dodgy..sworn one was a dildo.:hehe:

[jaxie]

My big fat gypsy funeral


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5607021/Gypsy-grandmother-73-given-lavish-send-off.html


the actual state of it


:umm2:

TBH LT I don't think that's appropriate to this thread or fair to the woman and family of the woman who died in the article.

This post is the nasty one of the thread and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[smudgie]

TBH LT I don't think that's appropriate to this thread or fair to the woman and family of the woman who died in the article.

This post is the nasty one of the thread and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I don’t think it was started in this thread Jaxie..I think it just got merged.:shrug:

[jaxie]

I don’t think it was started in this thread Jaxie..I think it just got merged.:shrug:

Oh well I'm sorry for the misunderstanding but not sorry for disapproving at the mocking of someone's bereavement and elderly mother.

[Oliver_W]

I don’t think it was started in this thread Jaxie..I think it just got merged.:shrug:

There are some idiotic merges going on lately - a thread about Corbyn meeting with a dodgy group got lumped in with the antisemitism thread, and an unrelated gypsy funeral is now in here? whhyyyyyy

[Beso]

ah right, that makes so much more sense. He was there to do some surprise DIY for them. I mean, if he had a knife, he was probably going to peel some potatoes, right?

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

[Beso]

My big fat gypsy funeral


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5607021/Gypsy-grandmother-73-given-lavish-send-off.html


the actual state of it


:umm2:

Oh ****..so now we all have to have the same funeral...to appease you.:unsure:

[jaxie]

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

When I was a girl I knew some boys who lived on our estate and went a party. There was an argument and they were asked to leave. They went back armed, one of them with a screwdriver. A boy was killed by the screwdriver to his brain and the boy who did it went to jail. He was the older brother of a girl I was friendly with, nice family generally. He went back with the screwdriver and his intent wasn't DIY. People have been using screwdrivers as weapons for years. Sad but true.

To assume the screwdriver was taken to unscrew something is a very naive view.

[Sticks]

The moral of this all is that when a burglar breaks in, do everything he says, offer no resistance, he is entitled to anything he wants, even carnal relations with anyone in your household.

Also, keep you trap shut and don't grass to the police

Burglary is a lawful occupation and was decriminalised by the Tony Martin case, and they are entitled to anything they want.

[Sticks]

Also remember police advice is always offer no resistance, do not take people on.

Self defence is never a good idea, another moral of recent events in Hither Green

[arista]

Also remember police advice is always offer no resistance, do not take people on.

Self defence is never a good idea, another moral of recent events in Hither Green


You were not there Sticks
His Ill wife was upstairs
with the other Criminal Punk going up to her.

Well done the 78 year old fella
Killing a wanted Criminal.

The Other Criminal Drove off in his Van
leaving the near dead other criminal in the road...............................

[thesheriff443]

The moral of this all is that when a burglar breaks in, do everything he says, offer no resistance, he is entitled to anything he wants, even carnal relations with anyone in your household.

Also, keep you trap shut and don't grass to the police

Burglary is a lawful occupation and was decriminalised by the Tony Martin case, and they are entitled to anything they want.

Give me your address I would come and rob you with your reasoning.

[Sticks]

But the police always advise against being a have-a-go-hero

Remember this pensioner was originally arrested for murder

The police also seem to be on the side of the dead burglar by requesting the residents not to interfere with the shrine, because such interference is intimidating.

We have a topsy turvy world

[arista]

But the police always advise against being a have-a-go-hero

Remember this pensioner was originally arrested for murder

The police also seem to be on the side of the dead burglar by requesting the residents not to interfere with the shrine, because such interference is intimidating.

We have a topsy turvy world



Of course
not everyone is tough and brave.
But that 78 year old was looking his ill wife,
he is now a World Hero.


The Dead & Wanted Criminal
picked on other old people.

[AnnieK]

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon

[BBUK-Fan]

I hope the shrine is ripped down and not put up. The pensioner defended his home and wife so why does he get punished?

[Beso]

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon


We only have one mans word for that fact.

[AnnieK]

We only have one mans word for that fact.

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

[thesheriff443]

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

Just a spanner in the works, how did it go from the old age pensioner having the screw driver to his throat to him disarming a man half his age and stabbing him?

This poor old man must Arnold swarznigger

[AnnieK]

Just a spanner in the works, how did it go from the old age pensioner having the screw driver to his throat to him disarming a man half his age and stabbing him?

This poor old man must Arnold swarznigger

I wasn't there so no idea. Adrenaline is an amazing hormone in a flight or fight situation. Ive heard of 7 stone women lifting cars off their kids. Its not outside the realm of possibility

[thesheriff443]

I wasn't there so no idea. Adrenaline is an amazing hormone in a flight or fight situation. Ive heard of 7 stone women lifting cars off their kids. Its not outside the realm of possibility

True, but you are making out a screw driver is commonly used as a weapon when it's commonly use to jemmy window frames ins doors.

[AnnieK]

True, but you are making out a screw driver is commonly used as a weapon when it's commonly use to jemmy window frames ins doors.

Where have I said it is commonly used as a weapon in what I have posted so far?

I said whether he went with intent to use it as a weapon or not if you go tooled up woth something that could be used as an offensive weapon you should be prepared to have it used against you. Im from salford and believe me a screwdriver is often the weapon of choice as it can be used to jemmy windows but is also sharp enough to do damage plus its not as incriminating as a knife if you are stopped.

Are you saying that if a stranger was robbing your house in the night with your mrs in bed you wouldn't protect her and your property....?

[Sticks]

The trouble is, if you do, you are the one arrested and sometimes charged by the CPS...

[AnnieK]

I'd be willing to risk an arrest and charge to protect my kid

Having had my house robbed in the night whilst I was in it (before I had my son) I can tell you the violation you feel plus terror is awful. If I woke and someone was in my house whilst my son was sleeping, I would hope I would do all I could to protect him regardless of consequence

[thesheriff443]

If you found out a paedo had molested your child and you went and killed them, you would still get done for murder.

[Beso]

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

Whats offensive about a screwdriver?

[Brillopad]

Whats offensive about a screwdriver?

Nothing when using it to fix something. Everything when taking it to a victim’s house who you intend to rob in the middle of the night - especially OAPs. Sorry I don’t agree with you on this Parmy. It was a disgusting thing to do and far from being the first time he had done it. I see absulutly no valid reason to defend him.

[thesheriff443]

Nothing when using it to fix something. Everything when taking it to a victim’s house who you intend to rob in the middle of the night - especially OAPs. Sorry I don’t agree with you on this Parmy. It was a disgusting thing to do and far from being the first time he had done it. I see absulutly no valid reason to defend him.

No one is defending him!, that's what so many don't get, it's not defending him to question the facts and aspects of this incident.

[AnnieK]

Whats offensive about a screwdriver?

Well considering its killed someone, I would say that is self evident what damage can be done to a person with a screw driver.

[Beso]

Nothing when using it to fix something. Everything when taking it to a victim’s house who you intend to rob in the middle of the night - especially OAPs. Sorry I don’t agree with you on this Parmy. It was a disgusting thing to do and far from being the first time he had done it. I see absulutly no valid reason to defend him.

I wasnt defending him, i'm as happy as everyone else that he has gotten his commuppence...I just think its not happened the way its been portrayed..

But i still dont get why his family are scum which all im bothered about to be fair..so eh, no need to apologise.

[AnnieK]

I wasnt defending him, i'm as happy as everyone else that he has gotten his commuppence...I just think its not happened the way its been portrayed..

But i still dont get why his family are scum which all im bothered about to be fair..so eh, no need to apologise.

My last point on this is had he not broken into another mans house, he would not be dead. We may never know exactly how it went down.

[jaxie]

I saw this today on the news feed in my browser.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dead-burglar-100000-funeral-including-12360330

Burgling must be lucrative. And a drive by of the pensioners home by horse and cart.

[Cherie]

I saw this today on the news feed in my browser.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dead-burglar-100000-funeral-including-12360330

Burgling must be lucrative. And a drive by of the pensioners home by horse and cart.

100,000 is journalistic licence, and media reports like this are just as bad as the family putting flowers up, stokes fires

[Brillopad]

‘Not to be messed with’ - Who do these idiots think they are Al bloody Capone! Morons.

And why are we paying for this particular Morons funeral - they can pay for it from the proceeds of their criminal activities.

[Sticks]

Like I said, if someone breaks in to your home, comply with their every wishes whatever they are, do not resist...

Burglary is a lawful and legitimate occupation and burglars are entitled to protection under the law as they go about their lawful business of burglary and anything else that takes their fancy, especially if they are travellers who have this special dispensation..

You have no rights of self defence, again especially against travellers.

Expect a further spate of burglaries in their road, which if the residence know what's good for them, they will keep their mouths shut about.

The icing on the cake will be when these noble travellers bring a successful private prosecution for murder against this pensioner, as is their right.

Remember the police are on the side of the travellers, especially over the shrine to this murdered noble traveller.

Now can someone please stop the world so I can alight... :bored:

[Beso]

Like I said, if someone breaks in to your home, comply with their every wishes whatever they are, do not resist...

Burglary is a lawful and legitimate occupation and burglars are entitled to protection under the law as they go about their lawful business of burglary and anything else that takes their fancy, especially if they are travellers who have this special dispensation..

You have no rights of self defence, again especially against travellers.

Expect a further spate of burglaries in their road, which if the residence know what's good for them, they will keep their mouths shut about.

The icing on the cake will be when these noble travellers bring a successful private prosecution for murder against this pensioner, as is their right.

Remember the police are on the side of the travellers, especially over the shrine to this murdered noble traveller.

Now can someone please stop the world so I can alight... :bored:

The police are only there incase the travellers come back as people are removing the flowers...they havnt taken sides at all.:nono:

[Sticks]

Really?

Who was it they arrested for murder?

Who is it that tells people never to be have a go heroes and to let robbers have what ever they want with no resistance?

[Beso]

Really?

Who was it they arrested for murder?

Who is it that tells people never to be have a go heroes and to let robbers have what ever they want with no resistance?

All pointless points....and sensible advice.

[Vicky.]

Yes and also punching toddlers (boys) in the stomach to toughen them up to box and fist fight when they are older.

Savages.

Oh god. I used to work in my father in laws bar and we got a group of travelers in and this huge guy did this to his young (maybe 7 or so) son. Then threatened to shoot my husband when he chucked him out for it. It was a weird dynamic with that group though, not sure if this is common but they seemed to have one 'boss'. he was much older than the others and actually got the younger guy to come in and apologize for his behavior. Though his behavior to my husband was the least of our concerns tbh, the way he treat that child was horrific D:

[Cherie]

Oh god. I used to work in my father in laws bar and we got a group of travelers in and this huge guy did this to his young (maybe 7 or so) son. Then threatened to shoot my husband when he chucked him out for it. It was a weird dynamic with that group though, not sure if this is common but they seemed to have one 'boss'. he was much older than the others and actually got the younger guy to come in and apologize for his behavior. Though his behavior to my husband was the least of our concerns tbh, the way he treat that child was horrific D:

can we all be able to bring our negative anecdotes to different culture threads? just wondering! I have never seen a thread about one incident attract so many negative remarks with no censure, traveller culture is not one I admire but then I don't know much about it it apart from all the negative press

[Vicky.]

Up to you tbh :laugh:

[Cherie]

Up to you tbh :laugh:

We know that’s not true, if I were to bring negative cultures of other groups into threads, someone would come out of the woodwork to infract me :tongue:

[user104658]

can we all be able to bring our negative anecdotes to different culture threads? just wondering! I have never seen a thread about one incident attract so many negative remarks with no censure, traveller culture is not one I admire but then I don't know much about it it apart from all the negative pressNow imagine what would happen if a transsexual traveller tried to go into a women's toilet. I'm not 100% sure but I think the earth would probably be sucked into a howling hell dimension through a rip in space and time. And there would DEF be infractions.

[jaxie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43774803

His birthday now too outside the pensioner's house. Can anyone really seriously say the family are not being deliberately provocative and intimidating?

[Brillopad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43774803

His birthday now too outside the pensioner's house. Can anyone really seriously say the family are not being deliberately provocative and intimidating?

They should be charged with tresspass and causing damage to private property.

[Cherie]

saw that on the news, it is quite disturbing that it is allowed.

[arista]

Really?

Who was it they arrested for murder?

Who is it that tells people never to be have a go heroes and to let robbers have what ever they want with no resistance?


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