Trump arrives in UK Thursday 12th of July : Confirmed

[Smithy]

and if you paid attention at school, you might remember what democracy, freedom of speech and freedom to protest are all about

Welp! Let me get a mop for this spilt tea

[Kazanne]

and if you paid attention at school, you might remember what democracy, freedom of speech and freedom to protest are all about

I don't think you know anything about my schooling , so that's a silly thing to say ,I know what freedom of speech is so stop trying to shut me down , I know what democracy , and freedom are , I just don't think anyone is ever too old to learn so I like listening and hearing various debates on these subjects, one thing school did teach me is to listen to all sides and not be closeminded, hope you enjoy your balloon launch.:smug:

[Smithy]

I don't think you know anything about my schooling , so that's a silly thing to say ,I know what freedom of speech is so stop trying to shut me down , I know what democracy , and freedom are , I just don't think anyone is ever to old to learn so I like listening and hearing various debates on these subjects, one thing scholl did teach me is to listen to all sides and not be closeminded, hope you enjoy your balloon launch.:smug:

The fact you’re incapable of using punctuation correctly tells us all we need to know about your schooling, so dw hun.

[Kazanne]

Welp! Let me get a mop for this spilt tea

Mind you don't burn yourself.what a silly expression,was that learnt at school ?

[Kazanne]

The fact you’re incapable of using punctuation correctly tells us all we need to know about your schooling, so dw hun.

Don't call me hun , it's so school boyish . I don't have to do anything correctly to suit you , get over yourself.

[Smithy]

Mind you don't burn yourself.what a silly expression,was that learnt at school ?
I’m actually cackling, you try to clock me with an equally “silly phrase” and then try to come for me learning it at school jfc :skull:
Don't call me hun , it's so school boyish . I don't have to do anything correctly to suit you , get over yourself.

Well HUN, I don’t have to do anything to suit you either and all I’m saying HUN, is that your inability to us punctuation properly just speaks volumes.

[Kazanne]

I’m actually cackling, you try to clock me with an equally “silly phrase” and then try to come for me learning it at school jfc :skull:


Well HUN, I don’t have to do anything to suit you either and all I’m saying HUN, is that your inability to us punctuation properly just speaks volumes.

:laugh::laugh: Don't witches cackle ? if you can't debate without going down the insulting route , no need to respond to you anymore . Also the 'clocking' word is hilarious , maybe you should get back on topic instead of concentrating on my punctuation errors.:wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Welp! Let me get a mop for this spilt tea

This is SD not chat

:facepalm:

[Smithy]

yes it was a big blow job as i recall

This is SD not chat

:facepalm:

And yet you think sex puns are acceptable :facepalm:

[Twosugars]

And yet you think sex puns are acceptable :facepalm:

Drag ha sis :hehe:

[arista]

The Trump baby balloon
is due to come down
in the next 20mins

[Twosugars]

Enjoyed it
Now all the demos and marches will slowly get under way

[kirklancaster]

The Trump baby balloon
is due to come down
in the next 20mins

More of a 'Damp Squib' from an 'efficiency' viewpoint, Arista, and more of a 'Let Down' than a comedown.

Useless, immature, and ineffective bullshot.

[arista]

Enjoyed it
Now all the demos and marches will slowly get under way


Yes but Trump is not near any them.

No Traffic on Regent Street
ready for the March

[Crimson Dynamo]

Enjoyed it
Now all the demos and marches will slowly get under way

you enjoyed a balloon you probably could barely see?

:joker:

sure you did

[bots]

it all looks warm and convivial i would say :laugh::laugh:

https://i.imgur.com/CRQtsMi.png

[Nicky91]

what an awkward situation in that picture lol

[Twosugars]

Yes but Trump is not near any them.

No Traffic on Regent Street
ready for the March

That's not the point.
Security would never allow it.
Bush junior was kept well away from protests too.
Trump said he felt unwelcome in London so he got the message :dance:

[Cherie]

The fact you’re incapable of using punctuation correctly tells us all we need to know about your schooling, so dw hun.

:umm2:

[Cherie]

Wonder why there was no balloon for Tayyip Erdogan, I don't agree with balloons as I think it detracts from meaningful demonstration, but lets have a balloon for everyone if this is the way we are going.

[Twosugars]

Maybe he'll be loved in Scotland? Maybe LT will wave the flag?
LT show us the figures, how loved is he in Scotland?

[bots]

Wonder why there was no balloon for Tayyip Erdogan, I don't agree with balloons as I think it detracts from meaningful demonstration, but lets have a balloon for everyone if this is the way we are going.

they wouldnt have got more than a couple of quid in donations for him, so it wouldnt have been much of a balloon

I do agree that priorities seem to be a bit askew

[Marsh.]

Sure
but 11 years ago,
Nothing to do with NOW.

11 years makes facts disappear.

Who knew?

[Tom4784]

More of a 'Damp Squib' from an 'efficiency' viewpoint, Arista, and more of a 'Let Down' than a comedown.

Useless, immature, and ineffective bullshot.

It's been quite effective, it's shown that Trump is too scared to confront his detractors and he's avoiding London completely just because of a protest against him and it's shown rampant hypocrisy in his supporters across the world who have spoken out against this seem all too keen to try to deny people their democratic right to protest despite the fact that many of his supporters claim to support him because he gives them a voice. They do this in in the guise of freedom of speech but they are only interested in their own free speech.

[Marsh.]

Maybe there is, no need to swear,lol, there was also proof that President Clinton had some actual favours from Monica,but he didn't get all this bile thrown at him did he ?:shrug:

Clinton never had bile thrown at him?

Do you want to double check that?

[Tom4784]

Wonder why there was no balloon for Tayyip Erdogan, I don't agree with balloons as I think it detracts from meaningful demonstration, but lets have a balloon for everyone if this is the way we are going.

I find points like this to be flawed. People are free to protest what they choose to protest, you can't try to smear or invalidate it by saying 'well, why aren't you protesting THIS!' Because ultimately, this is the issue of Trump and people's displeasure of having to host and likely rely on his government when Brexit goes through. People are entitled to protest what they are opposed to.

[Oliver_W]

Even Owen Jones marched against state visits from islamic leaders, let's not pretend they get ignored or endorsed.

[Cherie]

I find points like this to be flawed. People are free to protest what they choose to protest, you can't try to smear or invalidate it by saying 'well, why aren't you protesting THIS!' Because ultimately, this is the issue of Trump and people's displeasure of having to host and likely rely on his government when Brexit goes through. People are entitled to protest what they are opposed to.

Not really because some of the protests are about Trumps human rights record so it is a bit hypocritical to single him out and not representatives of China or Turkey, it doesn't look like we will be doing any deals with Trump at any rate unless we have a hard Brexit so they don't need to worry

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe he'll be loved in Scotland? Maybe LT will wave the flag?
LT show us the figures, how loved is he in Scotland?

His mum is scottish and he is an employer here :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Khan is too scared of Nick Ferrari and wont speak to him so he snuck on to James O'Brein at 10 to whinge about what Trump said (on LBC)

You could not make it up

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Not really because some of the protests are about Trumps human rights record so it is a bit hypocritical to single him out and not representatives of China or Turkey, it doesn't look like we will be doing any deals with Trump at any rate unless we have a hard Brexit so they don't need to worry

Singled out? Trump is the only person to have protesters?

Well that's a new one.

[Tom4784]

Not really because some of the protests are about Trumps human rights record so it is a bit hypocritical to single him out and not representatives of China or Turkey, it doesn't look like we will be doing any deals with Trump at any rate unless we have a hard Brexit so they don't need to worry

Not really, you're just trying to undercut a right to protest here.

People can go out and protest whatever they please, they don't need to fulfil a list of prerequisites in order to validate their protest in the eyes of their detractors who will look for any reason to do so.

It's just a way of avoiding the issue, why talk about why people are protesting when you can smear them for not protesting other issues? It's just an attempt to silence voices people don't agree with.

[Cherie]

Khan is too scared of Nick Ferrari and wont speak to him so he snuck on to James O'Brein at 10 to whinge about what Trump said (on LBC)

You could not make it up

:joker:

:bored: I can't believe I voted for this muppet

[Twosugars]

His mum is scottish and he is an employer here :smug:

But how popular is he? What are the actual figures?
I seem to remember there were some complaints over his investments there, you know standard trump stuff like bullying and broken promises?

[Kazanne]

That's not the point.
Security would never allow it.
Bush junior was kept well away from protests too.
Trump said he felt unwelcome in London so he got the message :dance:

And what has it actually achieved other than he wasn't welcome by some people :shrug: loads of money also wasted on this.

[Cherie]

Not really, you're just trying to undercut a right to protest here.

People can go out and protest whatever they please, they don't need to fulfil a list of prerequisites in order to validate their protest in the eyes of their detractors who will look for any reason to do so.

It's just a way of avoiding the issue, why talk about why people are protesting when you can smear them for not protesting other issues? It's just an attempt to silence voices people don't agree with.

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

[Kazanne]

:bored: I can't believe I voted for this muppet

Off with your head Cherie !!! :fist::hee:

[bots]

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

in any form of protest you have to target where they are likely to have the greatest effect.

Targeting the turkish president wont have any effect, his countries people would probably never see it .... or care given how they voted

The USA president here is a world wide spotlight, so any protest will have a bigger impact.

[Twosugars]

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

There are more protests planned, the balloon is one of many
Let's not pretend the balloon is unusual. Protests tend to employ cartoonish imagery, effigies, masks, satirical slogans. Nothing new there

[Tom4784]

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

But what's the point of protesting China? Nobody in China is going to know it happened and ultimately it won't change anything. Turkey won't be affected much by it either, the best way to protest Turkey would probably be a tourism boycott rather than a protest. It'd be pointless to do a protest like this in regards to those countries.

Protesting the US is different though, Trump's gonna get attention wherever he goes and these protests have gained media attention because of it. Trump relenting from going to London because of the protests will ultimately hurt his image and make him look more like the baby afraid of criticism that's been flying around London.

[Cherie]

There are more protests planned, the balloon is one of many
Let's not pretend the balloon is unusual. Protests tend to employ cartoonish imagery, effigies, masks, satirical slogans. Nothing new there

Really when was the last time something like this that needed permission was used in a protest, genuine question as I don't recall

obviously I know about posters etc, I really am not that dumb

[Kazanne]

I am not denying any one anything, and I am not detracting from their right to protest, as previously stated, I think flying the balloon takes away any meaningful demo as it gives it a cartoon image, if they want to make themselves look stupid and fly a blimp that is up to them, just be a bit less hypocritical about it and do the same for everyone they are protesting against

Yes,surely those people who don't agree with the protest and balloon also have the right to voice it, as we are,but some are getting annoyed over it.:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2018/Jul/13/LiveLeak-dot-com-TrumpBabyBallon1307v5_1531475061.jpg?WfwzyJhPSe2E1 epUsmu6Vz82pck49IOxQ77oJntnZHmCgKhaVg8KimppZ37ikLE e


:laugh2:

I swear that most of the things in LOndon are so expensive that people will literally go to anything if its free

[The Slim Reaper]

Khan is too scared of Nick Ferrari and wont speak to him so he snuck on to James O'Brein at 10 to whinge about what Trump said (on LBC)

You could not make it up

:joker:

You do realise that trump is so scared to be challenged, that he only ever talks to fox news pravda?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You do realise that trump is so scared to be challenged, that he only ever talks to fox news pravda?

well i watched his last main news conference and he took calls from about 50 different media so that is not correct

[The Slim Reaper]

well i watched his last main news conference and he took calls from about 50 different media so that is not correct

A news conference on foreign soil is not something you can dictate, and it is not an interview. It is absolutely correct and you know it.

[Brillopad]

There are more protests planned, the balloon is one of many
Let's not pretend the balloon is unusual. Protests tend to employ cartoonish imagery, effigies, masks, satirical slogans. Nothing new there

I think that such childish protests simply give the image of those doing it as extreme and childish and are less likely to get taken seriously. They undermine their cause and make others think 'who wants to be associated with that bunch of idiots!' Not a good look!

[arista]

President Trump and PM MAY
are Live on all media

Her written speech is the same old thing

[Kazanne]

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2018/Jul/13/LiveLeak-dot-com-TrumpBabyBallon1307v5_1531475061.jpg?WfwzyJhPSe2E1 epUsmu6Vz82pck49IOxQ77oJntnZHmCgKhaVg8KimppZ37ikLE e


:laugh2:

I swear that most of the things in LOndon are so expensive that people will literally go to anything if its free

Yes just seen some in Birmingham getting on coaches for their day out,:laugh::laugh:

[arista]

PM has limited the Press to 4 questions each.

The PM just said we will be able to trade with USA
The BBC reporter Laura
claimed that we would not
be able to do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sounds like The Donald and TM got on like a house on fire last night (listening live)

[Greg!]

This press conference is a scream!

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

he just dragged NBC into the gutter and drowned it

[arista]

This press conference is a scream!

Trump
just had a go at NBC
possible worse than CNN
he just said

[Crimson Dynamo]

jinx!

[arista]

Now Robert Peston
ITV1NEWSHD

Just said to Trump you will not
be able to export to the UK.


The PM asked him not to take over

[arista]

Trump just blocked the CNN reporter


Then stated CNN is Fake news again


so he took the FoxNewsHD reporter

[Kazanne]

Yes instead of people getting their rocks off over an inflatable , maybe they should actually watch the news and listen to what he says, he is making perfect sense on a lot of things.

[arista]

Yes instead of people getting their rocks off over an inflatable , maybe they should actually watch the news and listen to what he says, he is making perfect sense on a lot of things.


Only up for a few hours.

[Kazanne]

Only up for a few hours.

And now the marches begin :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes instead of people getting their rocks off over an inflatable , maybe they should actually watch the news and listen to what he says, he is making perfect sense on a lot of things.

i suspect many have never seen a press conference like this. They just get pictures of things on Facebook..

[Kazanne]

i suspect many have never seen a press conference like this. They just get pictures of things on Facebook..

I found it really interesting, I learnt he isn't the ogre he is portrayed,fascinating stuff.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair CNN is garbage tier.

[Kazanne]

To be fair CNN is garbage tier.

And to be even fairer , so is The Sun, nobody gives it creedence any other time,but look at people hanging on it's every word now.

[Oliver_W]

And to be even fairer , so is The Sun, nobody gives it creedence any other time,but look at people hanging on it's every word now.
Stopped clocks, etc.

[arista]

To be fair CNN is garbage tier.


yes some of it.

[arista]

The President is now flying back to London
to the USA ambassador home.
Then off to Windsor to meet the Queen for Tea.



Regent St.
London has loads of Protestors
but no place near Trump

[bots]

The Sun taped the interview and extracts at least have been released, so while the newspaper may sensationalise, what he actually said is there for all to hear. He had to back track a lot in his press conference

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Sun taped the interview and extracts at least have been released, so while the newspaper may sensationalise, what he actually said is there for all to hear. He had to back track a lot in his press conference

he did but that is no bad thing

[arista]

The Sun taped the interview and extracts at least have been released, so while the newspaper may sensationalise, what he actually said is there for all to hear. He had to back track a lot in his press conference

Of Course
the PM staff wrote out his script
with the USA staff.


But today's Sun Front Page.
has some truth in it, all the same. (illegal migration is killing Europe)
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F398/production/_102506326_sun-front-page-for-13_07_20.jpg

[bots]

too funny, the trump balloon was about 10 feet off the ground .... you wouldnt be able to see it if you were 100 yards away :joker:

[arista]

Baby Trump getting all puffed up in Parliament Square

https://i.imgur.com/lAQbqLJ.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/BzVTwaq.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/2Gtipqb.jpg?1


Yes thanks to Twosugars
for posting these pictures

[Oliver_W]

too funny, the trump balloon was about 10 feet off the ground .... you wouldnt be able to see it if you were 100 yards away :joker:

To be fair I doubt anyone would be allowed to inflate a balloon that big and just let it go.

[arista]

Trump is now with Our Queen in Windsor
https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/536x302/skynews-queen-trump_4361221.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180713170326

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/72K_sCu2OOzgLoiC0z9BTw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/QVPtt749T4SXo30EqPG7_tt.JPG

https://news.sky.com/story/protests-as-donald-trump-visits-chequers-and-the-queen-11435496

Meanwhile
Regent Street , far away
https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/992x558/skynews-donald-trump-uk-visit_4361079.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180713143524

[Twosugars]

btw, LT, I'm still waiting for your figures on Trump's popularity in Scotland

[Twosugars]

Yes thanks to Twosugars
for posting these pictures
you're welcome, Arista! Always happy to help if needed

[kirklancaster]

too funny, the trump balloon was about 10 feet off the ground .... you wouldnt be able to see it if you were 100 yards away :joker:

:joker::joker::joker: Maybe the baby's nappy was full and the extra weight anchored it. :laugh:

[Kazanne]

It's hilarious these people marching with their pots and pans,lol,as they don't want him here !!!! he is already here numpties, anything to get on TV. I saw kids on some of those coaches,as if they would understand what Trump is about.

[arista]

On ITV1 London
a Brave Bar in Tott.Crt Rd
is Pro Trump.

[kirklancaster]

It's hilarious these people marching with their pots and pans,lol,as they don't want him here !!!! he is already here numpties, anything to get on TV. I saw kids on some of those coaches,as if they would understand what Trump is about.

The morons probably told them it was an alternative mini-break which they'd paid for them because Alton Towers was fully booked.

They probably put sandwiches and a flask of tea up. :laugh:

[Kazanne]

The morons probably told them it was an alternative mini-break which they'd paid for them because Alton Towers was fully booked.

They probably put sandwiches and a flask of tea up. :laugh:

Aint that the truth Kirk,:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boo we dont want trump

"er he is here"

Boo make him leave


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If this does not affect change smash capitalism then nothing will

[kirklancaster]

Boo we dont want trump

"er he is here"

Boo make him leave


------------

If this does not affect change smash capitalism then nothing will

:laugh:

[Kazanne]

Boo we dont want trump

"er he is here"

Boo make him leave


------------

If this does not affect change smash capitalism then nothing will

They have given him so much more publicity than if they had just let him come and go quietly. :laugh: sad sacks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you know, and its just my theory, that I think a lot of people now go on these rallys to post pics on social media to virtue signal to their pals

its the fault of social media and vanity

One common theme i find with left wing people is how much they rate themselves and i think social media feeds this


as i say, just my personal theory..

[Kazanne]

Do you know, and its just my theory, that I think a lot of people now go on these rallys to post pics on social media to virtue signal to their pals

its the fault of social media and vanity

One common theme i find with left wing people is how much they rate themselves and i think social media feeds this


as i say, just my personal theory..

Just been watching it on TV, the poor kids in pushchairs ,how irresponsible , bloody people trying to play trumpets, wtf. :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Some excellent examples of minimisation above.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just been watching it on TV, the poor kids in pushchairs ,how irresponsible , bloody people trying to play trumpets, wtf. :laugh:

any leather ones?


:think:

[Kazanne]

any leather ones?


:think:

:joker::joker: If there was LT it would have been the loudest:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/17/4E34B8BE00000578-5949835-image-a-25_1531499048891.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/17/4E34C84B00000578-5949835-image-a-33_1531499535414.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/12/4E314AB600000578-5949835-Mrs_Trump_is_carrying_out_her_own_engagements_as_h er_husband_mee-a-119_1531480879605.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

look how high the blimp went

:laugh2:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/12/4E3025B900000578-5949835-Protesters_gathered_in_Westminster_London_to_take_ part_in_the_St-a-121_1531480880645.jpg

[bots]

i hope aircraft flying overhead were alerted :laugh:

[Kizzy]

look how high the blimp went

:laugh2:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/12/4E3025B900000578-5949835-Protesters_gathered_in_Westminster_London_to_take_ part_in_the_St-a-121_1531480880645.jpg

Well it's higher than the trump balloon.... Oh, you meant that, sorry.

[Kazanne]

look how high the blimp went

:laugh2:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/12/4E3025B900000578-5949835-Protesters_gathered_in_Westminster_London_to_take_ part_in_the_St-a-121_1531480880645.jpg

:hehe::laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i mean really

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

he is now safely Home in Scotland

he can relax

[arista]

President Trump has landed in Scotland.

[Crimson Dynamo]

#trumpiscominghome

[Kazanne]

#trumpiscominghome

I can't wait till Monday to see what Piers Morgan thinks of it all:laugh:

[Maru]

lmao the balloon

[Cherie]

look how high the blimp went

:laugh2:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/13/12/4E3025B900000578-5949835-Protesters_gathered_in_Westminster_London_to_take_ part_in_the_St-a-121_1531480880645.jpg

I thought it was going to be huge, why did they need permission for that, a kite would go higher

[Maru]

They'd done better to make the balloon with an image that was a more powerful than an "infant Trump" (not emotionally invocative imo), attach it to the top of a van with a bitchin' decal with a similar theme and then drive it around the city in the most annoying fashion possible honking at people... that would've been far more effective than flying a color-washed Trump balloon down the street... people would've stood outside looking for it and it would've probably been all over social media. It would've not only gotten the point across, but would've been more fun to follow I think...

[GoldHeart]

I can't wait till Monday to see what Piers Morgan thinks of it all:laugh:
Didn't think Piers can be seen as his head is so far up Trump's rear end :bored: .
Farage usually has his head up there as well.

[Oliver_W]

They'd done better to make the balloon with an image that was a more powerful than an "infant Trump" (not emotionally invocative imo), attach it to the top of a van with a bitchin' decal with a similar theme and then drive it around the city in the most annoying fashion possible honking at people... that would've been far more effective than flying a color-washed Trump balloon down the street... people would've stood outside looking for it and it would've probably been all over social media. It would've not only gotten the point across, but would've been more fun to follow I think...

It could have an unannounced zigzag all through the country - no-one would be sure if it was heading for their town! It'd be fun to follow it on twitter, see the trail of selfies, wondering if the #TrumpVan would be coming near you!

But no, it's invoking a joke which stopped being funny about a year ago, in a form which hovers a few feet above the ground for a limited time.

[Maru]

It could have an unannounced zigzag all through the country - no-one would be sure if it was heading for their town! It'd be fun to follow it on twitter, see the trail of selfies, wondering if the #TrumpVan would be coming near you!

But no, it's invoking a joke which stopped being funny about a year ago, in a form which hovers a few feet above the ground for a limited time.

Right, I don't see this generating that much political conversation aside from a derivative reference.... the balloon is generating more of a dialogue about itself than of Trump... a weak idea, but poorly executed, imo... it would make very nice memorabilia though after someone buys it off of Ebay and "enshrines" it in their garage with associated newspaper clippings.

[Ammi]

...I just think that focusing on the balloon in terms of its success or failure to launch...is kind of missing the point really...the point of ‘Britian being great again’ in one of the ways that surely have contributed to a ‘Great Britian’...the right of people to exercise peaceful protest and take a voice against something that goes against their greatness...to not follow but to lead, to not take a stance of...of oh this is a world leader, a world leader that some of us don’t believe in...but we have to welcome him anyway because that’s the ‘done thing’ with these things, that’s the European way...(...even though the European way was apparently not a great way and something as a country we voted to be no part of...)...we just have to put up, hush up and not express our voice...it doesn’t matter that the balloon didn’t take flight...the really important thing surely is that some people were trying to put the great back into Britian, no matter what the controversy...that they stood up for something they believed in...or rather, stood up against something/someone that they didn’t believe in...and it doesn’t matter whether it was a minority or a majority voice because minority voices have equality to majority voices...so well done all of those who supported the balloon in whichever way they supported it...:love:...

....it’s funny because one of the things Trump has apparently said is that all other US presidents that have gone before him...have had values and beliefs much the same as his...and yet we’re too afraid, to reluctant to try to bring changes or whatever...that they just weren’t ‘brave’ enough...but he is THAT president who has found his voice and his bravery..THAT president that the world has been waiting for...etc, etc, good old Donald..well some UK people were brave enough as well...they were brave enough to not just follow but to attempt that balloon and brave enough to send their message...I mean surely, that’s every apparent value that he holds as well...so he should be fully appreciate the greatness that tried to launch the balloon...it should have put a little smile of irony on his face...#great is coming home, Donald as displayed with that balloon attempt...

...whether it failed to launch or not is really not the point of it....

[Brillopad]

Peaceful ptotest is one thing but attempting to mock the president in such an infantile way makes them no better. They call him childish - really, maybe they should look a bit closer to home. Is that their brilliant solution - if you can’t beat em join em. Sounds like they have already admitted defeat. Well they have certainly shown the world whose boss! :rolleyes:

[Ammi]

Peaceful ptotest is one thing but attempting to mock the president in such an infantile way makes them no better. They call him childish - really, maybe they should look a bit closer to home. Is that there brilliant argument - if you can’t beat em join em. Sounds like they have already admitted defeat.

...the protesters haven’t ‘joined ‘em’ though, Brillo...there is actionary and reactionary...Trump has taken action in encouraging prejudice and intolerance against a neighbouring country...and it seems also African and Middle Eastern countries in being particularly vocal in not wanting immigration from those world areas...maybe it’s because the skin colour is not quite what he perceives as being the good old American skin colour of his acceptability..?...I don’t know, it’s hard to fathom with him because he’s a ocean of contradictions...but reactionary to his beliefs and his actions is the voice that spoke out in protest...actionary and reactionary are not always of equal value...putting a balloon in the air to say...No Trump your value are not welcome here because we’re trying to make Britian great again is not of equal value to encouraging prejudice against another country’s people...one is very harmful and the other is...well, fairly harmless...the very opposite of each other, really...

[lime]

...the protesters haven’t ‘joined ‘em’ though, Brillo...there is actionary and reactionary...Trump has taken action in encouraging prejudice and intolerance against a neighbouring country...and it seems also African and Middle Eastern countries in being particularly vocal in not wanting immigration from those world areas...maybe it’s because the skin colour is not quite what he perceives as being the good old American skin colour of his acceptability..?...I don’t know, it’s hard to fathom with him because he’s a ocean of contradictions...but reactionary to his beliefs and his actions is the voice that spoke out in protest...actionary and reactionary are not always of equal value...putting a balloon in the air to say...No Trump your value are not welcome here because we’re trying to make Britian great again is not of equal value to encouraging prejudice against another country’s people...one is very harmful and the other is...well, fairly harmless...the very opposite of each other, really...
:love::love:

[Brillopad]

...the protesters haven’t ‘joined ‘em’ though, Brillo...there is actionary and reactionary...Trump has taken action in encouraging prejudice and intolerance against a neighbouring country...and it seems also African and Middle Eastern countries in being particularly vocal in not wanting immigration from those world areas...maybe it’s because the skin colour is not quite what he perceives as being the good old American skin colour of his acceptability..?...I don’t know, it’s hard to fathom with him because he’s a ocean of contradictions...but reactionary to his beliefs and his actions is the voice that spoke out in protest...actionary and reactionary are not always of equal value...putting a balloon in the air to say...No Trump your value are not welcome here because we’re trying to make Britian great again is not of equal value to encouraging prejudice against another country’s people...one is very harmful and the other is...well, fairly harmless...the very opposite of each other, really...

Skin colour is just a straw man in my opinion. Skin colour often represents culture and belief systems that are backward, misogynistic and not conducive to the Western way of life. Many people from these cultures are not looking to assimilate and fit in to the countries they want to enter just to reap the economical rewards of the more prosperous cultures created by people with a different more forward way of thinking. It is very self-serving in exactly the same way as people accuse the West of being.

Whatever people think of Trump he is trying to protect America from more crime and violence - which is why so many are behind him.

[lime]

Skin colour is just a straw man in my opinion. Skin colour often represents culture and belief systems that are backward, misogynistic and not conducive to the Western way of life. Many people from these cultures are not looking to assimilate and fit in to the countries they want to enter just to reap the economical rewards of the more prosperous cultures created by people with a different more forward way of thinking. It is very self-serving in exactly the same way as people accuse the West of being.

By "many" people from those cultures not looking to assimilate...do you know that as fact or you referring to a feeling

[Ammi]

Skin colour is just a straw man in my opinion. Skin colour often represents culture and belief systems that are backward, misogynistic and not conducive to the Western way of life. Many people from these cultures are not looking to assimilate and fit in to the countries they want to enter just to reap the economical rewards of the more prosperous cultures created by people with a different more forward way of thinking. It is very self-serving in exactly the same way as people accuse the West of being.

Whatever people think of Trump he is trying to protect America from more crime and violence - which is why so many are behind him.

...the way to protect violence and crime though, Brillo...is to address violence and crime...(...like in addressing gun laws, for instance..)...nothing is protected by persecution if people from other countries or intolerance of them...or encouraging prejudice against other countries and cultures...the USA make the laws and (...whatever culture...)...those laws will be enforced when crimes are committed...the only ‘targeting’ necessary, is the targeting of violence and crime...because that’s what he is apparently protecting against...and that makes perfect sense and is perfectly understandable...Trump though does not make any sense at all...except the sense that he wants ‘all to obey’ the word and beliefs of the Donald...

[bots]

Let's look at one of the key topic Trump has involved himself in ... Brexit.

He stated at the press conference in front of the world yesterday that he was in Scotland the day before the brexit vote and that he predicted the result 100% correctly .... wasn't he clever.

The facts are that he arrived in Scotland the day after the brexit vote, when the vote result had already been announced .... Believe it or not .... i'm 100% correct when I make predictions like that :laugh:

[Brillopad]

...the way to protect violence and crime though, Brillo...is to address violence and crime...(...like in addressing gun laws, for instance..)...nothing is protected by persecution if people from other countries or intolerance of them...or encouraging prejudice against other countries and cultures...the USA make the laws and (...whatever culture...)...those laws will be enforced when crimes are committed...the only ‘targeting’ necessary, is the targeting of violence and crime...because that’s what he is apparently protecting against...and that makes perfect sense and is perfectly understandable...Trump though does not make any sense at all...except the sense that he wants ‘all to obey’ the word and beliefs of the Donald...

‘Those laws will be enforced when crimes are commited’ - after the horse has bolted Ammi. It’s a bit late for the victims by then - they may already be dead. Sorry I believe in prevention first and foremost. I don’t want to see a long line of emotionally scarred or dead people with their attackers in Jail. I want to see those people alive and enjoying their lives. Not such a big ask.

[lime]

Let's look at one of the key topic Trump has involved himself in ... Brexit.

He stated at the press conference in front of the world yesterday that he was in Scotland the day before the brexit vote and that he predicted the result 100% correctly .... wasn't he clever.

The facts are that he arrived in Scotland the day after the brexit vote, when the vote result had already been announced .... Believe it or not .... i'm 100% correct when I make predictions like that :laugh:

IT's gas to watch on live TV....But it also sad to see some trying to make his lies good

[Ammi]

‘Those laws will be enforced when crimes are commited’ - after the horse has bolted Ammi. It’s a bit late for the victims by then - they may already be dead. Sorry I believe in prevention first and foremost. I don’t want to see a long line of emotionally scarred or dead people with their attackers in Jail. I want to see those people alive and enjoying their lives. Not such a big ask.

...well yeah that’s usually the way that crimes go, Brillo...the crime has to be committed first before the punishment can come...I mean, that horse has to bolt first surely...you can’t prevent something when you don’t know that thing is going to happen...building walls won’t prevent crime because it’s not just Mexicans who commit crimes in the USA...if they do though, they won’t get any special treatment...they do the crime, they serve the time like everyone else and all being equal...if crime is what Trump wants to prevent then that’s what he has to target and that’s what he has to focus on....’preventative’ is targeting high crime areas and the reasons for that, like poverty...?...and focusing some help and changes their with community care and policing...etc, etc...

[Brillopad]

...well yeah that’s usually the way that crimes go, Brillo...the crime has to be committed first before the punishment can come...I mean, that horse has to bolt first surely...you can’t prevent something when you don’t know that thing is going to happen...building walls won’t prevent crime because it’s not just Mexicans who commit crimes in the USA...if they do though, they won’t get any special treatment...they do the crime, they serve the time like everyone else and all being equal...if crime is what Trump wants to prevent then that’s what he has to target and that’s what he has to focus on....’preventative’ is targeting high crime areas and the reasons for that, like poverty...?...and focusing some help and changes their with community care and policing...etc, etc...

My point is Ammi that if you let in large numbers of undocumented illegal immigrants - that increases the risk of letting in more dangerous criminals and therefore more victims. That can be prevented by stricter border controls and focusing on protecting the legal citizens of that country.

[Ammi]

My point is Ammi that if you let in large numbers of undocumented illegal immigrants - that increases the risk of letting in more dangerous criminals and therefore more victims. That can be prevented by stricter border controls and focusing on protecting the legal citizens of that country.

...but you know, Brillo....if we all restricted birth a little bit more, the birth of our ‘undocumented’ children...those little unknowns that could grow up to become criminals and create victims etc...that also could be seen as a good prevent measure, if we stop producing children then there would be no risk of producing a criminal...potentially...?...but that wouldn’t be a good way, would it...the target and the focus always has to be on the criminal and on violence, as you say that is what is to be prevented...it would be foolish to overlook an individual’s past if there was a history of persistent and consistent criminal activity...so yeah, security checks etc do have to be something..it would be foolish not to do them...it’s very important that, that time is taken...if a person who had much criminal activity in their past were allowed into a country with full knowledge of that activity..?...then yes, that would increase the risk, as it were...but when there is no such activity at all of any criminal past...then there is nothing to suggest a ‘prevent’ is needed....it’s a case by case thing, not a whole country of people or countries of people thing...we look at the risks, we assess the risks, we restrict if risks are found applicable...and then we allow immigration to happen...no more or less a leap of faith than having a child, really....if our ‘values’ are not adopted in terms of breaking laws etc and harming people...then there will be repercussions for that...

[arista]

[Police search for Trump protester who breached no-fly zone
in Scotland.]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/14/police-search-donald-trump-protester-breached-no-fly-zone-scotland-turnberry-uk-visit?CMP=twt_gu&__twitter_impression=true

[Greenpeace Paraglider committed a criminal offence
Scottish police say they are trying to trace a paraglider who flew a Greenpeace protest banner over the golf resort that President Donald Trump is staying at.]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-protesters-prepare-as-trump-visits-golf-club-11436618


Video
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44832450/donald-trump-paragliding-protester-flies-over-president-s-scottish-hotel


The Greenpeace para-glider made President Trump goes inside
the building
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/106A0/production/_102523276_hi048137149.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump now just down the road from me playing golf after a very successful UK visit

job done and another win for Trump

[lime]

[Police search for Trump protester who breached no-fly zone
in Scotland.]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/14/police-search-donald-trump-protester-breached-no-fly-zone-scotland-turnberry-uk-visit?CMP=twt_gu&__twitter_impression=true

[Greenpeace Paraglider committed a criminal offence
Scottish police say they are trying to trace a paraglider who flew a Greenpeace protest banner over the golf resort that President Donald Trump is staying at.]

https://news.sky.com/story/live-protesters-prepare-as-trump-visits-golf-club-11436618








Video
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44832450/donald-trump-paragliding-protester-flies-over-president-s-scottish-hotel


The Greenpeace para-glider made President Trump goes inside
the building
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/106A0/production/_102523276_hi048137149.jpg

Arista you are fake news


I apreciate that you love US now despsite previously .......pre Brexit you were tellling us FM's that we as Europeanns were going to crash out and burn........

[arista]

"Arista you are fake news "

This is not not my View
The Greenpeace Protester boss
is on every news ch.


There is a Brexit thread
post on it
if you have valid views on the subject?
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10084376#post10084376

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/992x558/skynews-golf-trump-scotland_4361764.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180714135321

Protests
and Trump Blimp baby has arrived in Edinburgh...
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/13gtAW704vPmwGTgBkHQHw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/npe75lwDRwOCQBoC84Rs_RTX6B8N8.jpg
https://news.sky.com/story/live-protesters-prepare-as-trump-visits-golf-club-11436618

[Nicky91]

i predict Trump saying something like ''look at beautiful scotland, a wonderful country, wonderful'' ''my mother country''

lmao

[Livia]

Someone should have touched a cigarette to that stupid blimp. What irritates me most about all this is the way the protestors think they are speaking for everyone when they're not even speaking for most. When you think of some of the despots we've hosted and not a peep from the protesters, even taking their small children along to shout political slogans. They looks stupid and small.

As for the bloke who parasailed towards Trump in a no fly zone... I'm pretty impressed that he wasn't shot. He was lucky.

[bots]

You can always trust Scottish people to be eloquent ... "you stinking pile of orange turd" :joker:

[Nicky91]

without his daddy he would've been nothing, and we would've had a different (better) u.s president now

[Tom4784]

Someone should have touched a cigarette to that stupid blimp. What irritates me most about all this is the way the protestors think they are speaking for everyone when they're not even speaking for most. When you think of some of the despots we've hosted and not a peep from the protesters, even taking their small children along to shout political slogans. They looks stupid and small.

I dislike this way of thinking, of trying to undercut a right to protest by saying they aren't speaking for everyone. Of course they aren't, that's just common sense. They are speaking for themselves. It should be obvious really.

[Alf]

A few videos from on the ground at yesterdays Trump protests in London.


This is a number 1 hit in the making

nVp_M5wybc0


These people really dislike Trump, there is no other agenda.

fMI41jxPsU4



If you can last until the end of this video, could you explain to me what she's taking about? Sargon tries to interview her at the end of the video, what do you think happens?


9o2GgTqbcaU

[Crimson Dynamo]

A few videos from on the ground at yesterdays Trump protests in London.


This is a number 1 hit in the making

nVp_M5wybc0


These people really dislike Trump, there is no other agenda.

fMI41jxPsU4



If you can last until the end of this video, could you explain to me what she's taking about? Sargon tries to interview her at the end of the video, what do you think happens?


9o2GgTqbcaU


The last vid

"I hope you all agree we are living in a racist, sexist homophobic world"




and they cheer

:skull:

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/536x302/skynews-trump-scotland_4361856.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180714153040
Trump waves at protesters as he plays golf




And
at 13:05hrs today

[Trump supporters and people campaigning for the release of Tommy Robinson have come together in London... ]
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/34PK3s57GbpTvxjX18tNOA/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/ui2OXMLSlW4TwlIAJdxg_tommy%20trump_frame_1_ces03.j pg


https://news.sky.com/story/live-protesters-prepare-as-trump-visits-golf-club-11436618

[Brillopad]

It is very early days, Rome wasn't built in one, and Trump wont destroy democracy in one either.

What democracy - the Left only believe in one-way democracy which clearly defeats the object of it!

[Kizzy]

What democracy - the Left only believe in one-way democracy which clearly defeats the object of it!

And which part of the left is advocating removing rights from anyone?.....

[MTVN]

Another good day for Mr Trump :clap1:

I hear he shot a 76

[Brillopad]

And which part of the left is advocating removing rights from anyone?.....

The far-Left and free speech comes to mind.

[Maru]

A few videos from on the ground at yesterdays Trump protests in London.


This is a number 1 hit in the making

nVp_M5wybc0


These people really dislike Trump, there is no other agenda.

fMI41jxPsU4



If you can last until the end of this video, could you explain to me what she's taking about? Sargon tries to interview her at the end of the video, what do you think happens?


9o2GgTqbcaU

@last video
"Liberation won't come from the ballot box." Well that's comforting.

She keeps using the word "you" and "it" a lot, but no idea what she is talking about in that reference. (This is typical of the confusing usage of the Royal "you"). I'm not really sure who the "you" is she is talking to either... I don't know any woman that feels this immobilized/disenfranchised. I don't know know any woman that would really "resonate" with this in my own life... people I know in other states or here.

It just seems that the "feminist" movement (and LGBT) is something that far-left folk have conveniently hitched a ride on to get their ideology into the political mainstream... I would hesitate to call myself a feminist woman from this point on. I think classical liberal with roots in first-wave.. but not this "new" New Age garbage.

I also find it really awkward that another woman is telling me what to do... stand in the mirror and do what I say? Nah... I think for myself. Go pound sand.

[lime]

Someone should have touched a cigarette to that stupid blimp. What irritates me most about all this is the way the protestors think they are speaking for everyone when they're not even speaking for most. When you think of some of the despots we've hosted and not a peep from the protesters, even taking their small children along to shout political slogans. They looks stupid and small.

As for the bloke who parasailed towards Trump in a no fly zone... I'm pretty impressed that he wasn't shot. He was lucky.

I think the blimp was stupid and defleted away from concerns people have about Trump and his pollicies...I disagree with you when you say that parents shouldn't bring their children to these protests parent's sit at home and discuss these maters with their children,,,,,you know that look in you kids face and it says what are we going to do about it ?


Will it change anything? Nope

But I think it's important for children to have their voice's heard

[Brillopad]

I think the blimp was stupid and defleted away from concerns people have about Trump and his pollicies...I disagree with you when you say that parents shouldn't bring their children to these protests parent's sit at home and discuss these maters with their children,,,,,you know that look in you kids face and it says what are we going to do about it ?


Will it change anything? Nope

But I think it's important for children to have their voice's heard

Young children don’t really understand politics and I think taking them to such events is a form of indoctrination which doesn’t sit well with me.

[Ammi]

..I agree with Lime about the children being present because absolutely, we do most of us as families, discuss these things in the presence of our children...with world matters, politics included...we don’t as parents tend to send children to their rooms while we discuss ‘grown up’ things...we don’t allow them to reach adulthood with no knowledge of the world around them or people’s thoughts and feelings about that world...one day, children will be grown ups and in my opinion, there is a preparation for adulthood...even if we tried to cushion as it were..parents will never be the only influence in a child’s life as things are discussed by peers etc...


...I’ve known many young children through my past working life...and some will take stances that their parents have and hold similar beliefs...but it’s not because it’s coming from their parents as a sole thing...it’s because those beliefs and opinions etc have been reasoned and have been something the child...(..through their individuality..)...have also believed in ...I have equally known reasoned parent stances and beliefs that haven’t been shared by children...where they’ve not been fully on board so no indoctrination has applied...that’s my general experience of most families where world events and politics etc are discussed on a level their child will understand...

...I do agree Brillo, children don’t naturally understand politics, which is the whole thing of why it’s important to include them with all significant and important events in the world and understand everything their parents and family and friends etc, believe in...otherwise their understanding will be much more difficult....we learn because we discuss and we absorb, we ask, we listen...and then from childhood to adulthood our belief system is being formed with every influence it has....

[lime]

Young children don’t really understand politics and I think taking them to such events is a form of indoctrination which doesn’t sit well with me.

Having an open discussion with your own children about politics.....and our views vary on many topics..is not indoctriaton ..It's just a healthy conversation


You say young children don't understand politics...Well when can they ever understand something that their parent's don't discuss with them?

[Kazanne]

Having an open discussion with your own children about politics.....and our views vary on many topics..is not indoctriaton ..It's just a healthy conversation


You say young children don't understand politics...Well when can they ever understand something that their parent's don't discuss with them?

Some of them were in pushchairs Lime,what is the benefit of that?

[Parmy]

You can always trust Scottish people to be eloquent ... "you stinking pile of orange turd" :joker:

I saw one sign.....

"Away hame ya roaster"

Made me laugh.

[Oliver_W]

Some of them were in pushchairs Lime,what is the benefit of that?

So people can post pictures of them on social media holding protest signs which, quite frankly, usually do look like they were written by someone under the age of three, so they can tell the world how their family is #Resisting?

[Ammi]

Some of them were in pushchairs Lime,what is the benefit of that?

..there doesn’t have to be a benefit though, Kaz...some parents (...for whatever reason, whether it be childcare or whatever...)...would maybe just want to include those little pushchair people as well...and I’ts their choice and decision as a parent...there is no right or wrong of it, a decision each individual parent would make...as we all do....

[lime]

Some of them were in pushchairs Lime,what is the benefit of that?

What was the negative?


If it was a march against Apartheid or a suffforgeets march I doubt some who complain about kids being there would have a problem be it pushchair or walking

[Crimson Dynamo]

I saw one sign.....

"Away hame ya roaster"

Made me laugh.

:laugh2:

[Parmy]

Sounds like pushy parents forcing thier views upon thier children.

[Oliver_W]

What was the negative?


If it was a march against Apartheid or a suffforgeets march I doubt some who complain about kids being there would have a problem be it pushchair or walking

There's a bit of a difference between Suffrage or anti-Apartheid, and the (current) leader of one of our best ally nations who said dumb things.

[Ammi]

Sounds like pushy parents forcing thier views upon thier children.

...it’s not forcing, Parmy...it’s presenting a view..(..with a protest, if protesting is something a parent believes in at times..)...some views will be rejected by children as they journey into adulthood and some will be agreed with, etc..it’s the same with everything within many families...children are quite smart people, they have their own individuality as well, which can’t be dismissed... and they’re quite capable of forming their own views...the presentation of different views can be helpful in that forming...

[Brillopad]

Having an open discussion with your own children about politics.....and our views vary on many topics..is not indoctriaton ..It's just a healthy conversation


You say young children don't understand politics...Well when can they ever understand something that their parent's don't discuss with them?

Do you not think that parents usually hope their children will share their political views and maybe taking them to such events is a ‘sub-concious’ attempt to influence them in the ‘right’ direction.? It could certainly be construed that way.

As far as discussion goes I think a lot depends on how biased that discussion is. I think it would be quite difficult to keep your own political bias out of it and people would be including it without even necessarily realizing it.

[Ammi]

There's a bit of a difference between Suffrage or anti-Apartheid, and the (current) leader of one of our best ally nations who said dumb things.

..it doesn’t make any difference though, Oliver...it’s still not shielding a child from the world they live in...that would be more damaging to a child, I feel, to do that...

[Parmy]

...it’s not forcing, Parmy...it’s presenting a view..(..with a protest, if protesting is something a parent believes in at times..)...some views will be rejected by children as they journey into adulthood and some will be agreed with, etc..it’s the same with everything within many families...children are quite smart people, they have their own individuality as well, which can’t be dismissed... and they’re quite capable of forming their own views...the presentation of different views can be helpful in that forming...

They should have taken them to both sides of the rallies then imo...rather than forcing only one view point upon them..dont you think?

[Livia]

They should have taken them to both sides of the rallies then imo...rather than forcing only one view point upon them..dont you think?

I don't think you'll find that they're aware that there is another side to the argument, Parm. And if they are aware, they imagine the other side doesn't count because it is different from theirs.

[Ammi]

They should have taken them to both sides of the rallies then imo...rather than forcing only one view point upon them..dont you think?

....not necessarily...whatever the belief of a parent they often don’t show ‘both sides’...like oh there are those who believe in smacking..(..for instance..)...so there’s a smack, what did you think of that then...how did that make you feel...now well try sending you to your room and removing some toys or whatever...so which did you prefer, then...which one do you think you would adopt...what a parent tends to do is discuss their own beliefs and why they have those beliefs etc, etc...they present those beliefs as it were and they present their actions..(..as in a protest being something they would like to be a part of...)...it’s just a presentation of one belief system to a child is all...as that child goes through childhood, other beliefs will be presented also by teachers and peers etc...or an aunt who thinks quite differently to a parent..?...so there are all type of balances and pondering sin a child’s life...let’s not have these poor parents running ragged trying to present everything in every which way...parenting is exhausting enough..:laugh:...

[Kazanne]

What was the negative?


If it was a march against Apartheid or a suffforgeets march I doubt some who complain about kids being there would have a problem be it pushchair or walking

Well there would be the noise for one , the confusion , the child wouldn't know what was happening and could be fearful , also if trouble had broken out that child could have been in danger :shrug: that would be enough to leave the child at home for me.

[Ammi]

Well there would be the noise for one , the confusion , the child wouldn't know what was happening and could be fearful , also if trouble had broken out that child could have been in danger :shrug: that would be enough to leave the child at home for me.

..that’s fine also, Kaz...you factor all of those things into your decision and you think....no, that’s not a good idea for me as a parent and for my child..there is no right or wrong of it...it’s just every parent’s individual choice...

[arista]

from LBC
the Greenpeace Protester who flew
over Trump at the Scottish Golf Course Rooms
has now been arrested

[Livia]

from LBC
the Greenpeace Protester who flew
over Trump at the Scottish Golf Course Rooms
has now been arrested

He was lucky he wasn't shot. It was a clear no fly zone and he was heading toward the leader of the free world. They would have been well within their rights to take him out. The ****ing idiot.

[bots]

Demonstrations are no place for children as was proven recently at the Israel border. Maybe the risk wasn't as great in London, but it is still nevertheless unnecessary risk

[Parmy]

I get what you are saying ammi....but.

I wonder what would happen if these kids started supporting trump...would the parents take them to a pro trump rally?

I doubt it very much myself..x

[Brillopad]

Well there would be the noise for one , the confusion , the child wouldn't know what was happening and could be fearful , also if trouble had broken out that child could have been in danger :shrug: that would be enough to leave the child at home for me.

I would imagine Kaz that god forbid a child was injured - there could be questions from health and social care professionals etc on why young children were even there. I could be wrong but I could see there being issues regarding that in that scenario.

[Ammi]

I get what you are saying ammi....but.

I wonder what would happen if these kids started supporting trump...would the parents take them to a pro trump rally?

I doubt it very much myself..x

...maybe not take their child to the rally, Parmy...if they had not intended to go anyway...because that would be specifically going somewhere for the child rather than including a child in something they intended to be a part of...(...we are all human, Parmy and can’t balance everything in life..:laugh:..)..but many parents would discuss their child’s support of someone in politics with them...what they liked about him, why they supported him etc...what values of his did they particularly think were good...they would ask..again...and listen...many parents wouldn’t just say...go to your room, I don’t want to discuss your support of Trump, just hush up or you’ll lose your priveledges...many and hopefully most parents don’t close their children down, wherever their support lies ....

[Nicky91]

tbh children in general shouldn't need to worry about politics at such young ages at all, let them have fun in their childhoods, and when they become 16 they can be involved into politics their opinions to be heard then

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/536x302/skynews-theresa-may-donald-trump_4362415.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180715103913

A Conservative poll is down 6%


Sign Of The Times

[Nicky91]

Trump did that :thumbs:

[lime]

There's a bit of a difference between Suffrage or anti-Apartheid, and the (current) leader of one of our best ally nations who said dumb things.
But Oliver I'm not comparing like for like about policies...I'm talking about discussing politics with your children and going o protest marches together

[lime]

Demonstrations are no place for children as was proven recently at the Israel border. Maybe the risk wasn't as great in London, but it is still nevertheless unnecessary risk


Jeez that's quite worrying post...Don't protest because you might be murdered


Not a message I will be sending to my children

[Brillopad]

Jeez that's quite worrying post...Don't protest because you might be murdered


Not a message I will be sending to my children

Oh come on Lime - you seem to be suggesting that it has been suggested that the police/authorities may harm protestors. That would be ridiculous in Britain unless someone was posing a serious threat o others.

The risk could come from some more aggressive protestors or others that crash the party to cause trouble though. Fact is that happens at protests - and something as emotive as Trump coming to Britain increased that risk.

[Parmy]

...maybe not take their child to the rally, Parmy...if they had not intended to go anyway...because that would be specifically going somewhere for the child rather than including a child in something they intended to be a part of...(...we are all human, Parmy and can’t balance everything in life..:laugh:..)..but many parents would discuss their child’s support of someone in politics with them...what they liked about him, why they supported him etc...what values of his did they particularly think were good...they would ask..again...and listen...many parents wouldn’t just say...go to your room, I don’t want to discuss your support of Trump, just hush up or you’ll lose your priveledges...many and hopefully most parents don’t close their children down, wherever their support lies ....

:douf:

[Parmy]

Oh come on Lime - you seem to be suggesting that it has been suggested that the police/authorities may harm protestors. That would be ridiculous in Britain unless someone was posing a serious threat o others.

The risk could come from some more aggressive protestors or others that crash the party to cause trouble though. Fact is that happens at protests - and something as emotive as Trump coming to Britain increased that risk.

Which is exactly what happened yesterday at the tommy this tommy that rallies.

[Withano]

Trump did that :thumbs:

:joker:

[Withano]

Children are very vocal about Trump tbf. Maybe thats learned behaviour, or just having to sit through the news at tea time and hearing about all the stupid **** he’s doing.

Either way, there was a giant trump-baby balloon floating about. Of course a child would love that.

Nobody is ever gonna get to twenty and be like “oh I saw a Trump balloon in the sky as a child, so now Im a lefty”. The hysteria over this is.. hysterical..

[arista]

Children are very vocal about Trump tbf. Maybe thats learned behaviour, or just having to sit through the news at tea time and hearing about all the stupid **** he’s doing.

Either way, there was a giant trump-baby balloon floating about. Of course a child would love that.

Nobody is ever gonna get to twenty and be like “oh I saw a Trump balloon in the sky as a child, so now Im a lefty”. The hysteria over this is.. hysterical..


Yes many kids
are there with their Parents
who are directing them.

One kid had to look at the parent
before speaking etc.

[Tom4784]

Children are very vocal about Trump tbf. Maybe thats learned behaviour, or just having to sit through the news at tea time and hearing about all the stupid **** he’s doing.

Either way, there was a giant trump-baby balloon floating about. Of course a child would love that.

Nobody is ever gonna get to twenty and be like “oh I saw a Trump balloon in the sky as a child, so now Im a lefty”. The hysteria over this is.. hysterical..

It basically comes down to 'It's okay to protest something as long as I agree with it!'

[Parmy]

Children are very vocal about Trump tbf. Maybe thats learned behaviour, or just having to sit through the news at tea time and hearing about all the stupid **** he’s doing.

Either way, there was a giant trump-baby balloon floating about. Of course a child would love that.

Nobody is ever gonna get to twenty and be like “oh I saw a Trump balloon in the sky as a child, so now Im a lefty”. The hysteria over this is.. hysterical..

Children that would love a balloon floating in the sky are very vocal about trump...r u sure withano, cause the ages aint matching up in my head.

[arista]

He was lucky he wasn't shot. It was a clear no fly zone and he was heading toward the leader of the free world. They would have been well within their rights to take him out. The ****ing idiot.


The 55 year old man will
appear at Ayr Sheriff Court on Monday.


https://news.sky.com/story/man-charged-over-paragliding-protest-stunt-at-donald-trumps-golf-resort-in-scotland-11437802

[Parmy]

He sounds like a stooge the poor fella.

[lime]

It basically comes down to 'It's okay to protest something as long as I agree with it!'


so true Dezzy


It's a kin to saying I love freedom of speach as long as you agree with me

[arista]

Trump is being driven off to Air Force One Plane
off to Finland.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It certainly was a successful visit and I think people have seen a human side to him

[Nicky91]

Trump is being driven off to Air Force One Plane
off to Finland.

b5G_ZRBTbts

:flutter: and this was also Trump's music when he got elected as president of the united states

[Brillopad]

so true Dezzy


It's a kin to saying I love freedom of speach as long as you agree with me

That sounds much more like those on the Left to me. They are the ones constantly attempting to stifle free speech.

[Withano]

That sounds much more like those on the Left to me. They are the ones constantly attempting to stifle free speech.

...you were literally furious about the balloon existing at all. If this thread is anything to go by, then no, it sounds much more like those on the right.

[Kazanne]

It basically comes down to 'It's okay to protest something as long as I agree with it!'

It doesn't come down to that at all , it comes down to common sense and decency, protest all you like but keep your babies away (and some of them were), keep a sense of decency and don't be on a par with those you are protesting about . No one needs a balloon to do that .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Those Trump protesting children should be caged

That would learn them

[Kazanne]

Those Trump protesting children should be caged

That would learn them

Apparently we in the UK have done this as well LT , it was said on one of the TV shows, I will have a look for it. People coming here who are criminals who bring there children are separated from them , isn't it the same :shrug:

[lime]

That sounds much more like those on the Left to me. They are the ones constantly attempting to stifle free speech.

But nowhere in my post did I mention left or right politics.I certinatly am not trying to stifle free speech...in fact I encourage it

[Withano]

Tbf, children probably are quite safe at a left-wing-protest. Wouldnt want to take them to one of those mobby, violent right wing protests though.

[lime]

Apparently we in the UK have done this as well LT , it was said on one of the TV shows, I will have a look for it. People coming here who are criminals who bring there children are separated from them , isn't it the same :shrug:
Jeezis that how you live your life kazanne....on TV show's ..earler I noticed you saying you couldn't wait to hear what Pierse Morgan would say on Modnay monrnig....you should try have an own opinion...It's quite refreshing

[Kazanne]

I see we are getting some flack on social media from our American friends already ,here's just a few from FB...…………………………………….

Comments

Jeff Anderson Do you mean these English people?
https://i.imgur.com/BUGFoPy.jpg

You would fit right in over there freak!

4 Replies

Staci Pomroy The English should spend more time brushing their janky teeth then worrying about what we are doing with our country


Shani Sanford Oh brother such drama.

Charlette Salic Pacini Imagine todays England fighting WWII. Get out the surrender flags.

Richard Suckel

Hugh Rice Churchill would have embraced his no BS protocol..


Kathy Stewart Any disrespect going on its from England awful signs protest bottles of urine and a balloon before he even entered the country best thing to do is u stay in ur country and we will stay in ours and then we will see who needs who fend for yourselves when Muslims take over england


Track McCreary Wait until they start on the homoerotic obsessions with their phrasing....pretty good since its probably boilerplate out of their kompromat notebooks....
Jesse Lambert Lol i call this more fake ass bs lol


Herman Reinhold Trump treats people terribly with his tweets and comments. He is not worthy of respect, because he does not respect other people.

Timothy Brand I think it was George Washington who once said "Screw the British..bunch of Sissy's"....lol


Paul Worrall Hey Im English And Im Ashamed How donald Trump Was treated By All Them London fags Sick and Tired of It Disgraceful And Yes I said Fag

Richard Perry better than george washington

[Brillopad]

...you were literally furious about the balloon existing at all. If this thread is anything to go by, then no, it sounds much more like those on the right.

You miss the point again - it’s the principle. People on the left who constantly try to limit free speech and get so het up about overturning public votes have no moral high ground.

Then they try to take it by flying a childish balloon over London in an attempt to once again stop free speech from the American President voted in by millions of Americans. Tiresome!

[Kazanne]

Jeezis that how you live your life kazanne....on TV show's ..earler I noticed you saying you couldn't wait to hear what Pierse Morgan would say on Modnay monrnig....you should try have an own opinion...It's quite refreshing

I do have my own opinion , I also like to hear other peoples, and when there are serious debates about this sort of thing I do watch on TV and probably learn something :shrug: Much better than believing everything you read, and yes, I like to see Piers Morgan talking about such issues , because please or offend he will ask the questions most are too scared to ask.

[Withano]

You miss the point again - it’s the principle. People on the left who constantly try to limit free speech and get so het up about overturning public votes have no moral high ground.

Then they try to take it by flying a childish balloon over London in an attempt to once again stop free speech from the American President voted in by millions of Americans. Tiresome!

...but you are the onle trying to limit free speech in this thread.. thought you were fighting double standards, not actively partaking in them?

[arista]

https://i.imgur.com/BUGFoPy.jpg
Yes Kaz
its Pathetic.

Grabbing women
like that was 11 years ago.

As President he is much older,now
and regrets that Audio tape.


Left Wing Bill Clinton was just as BAD

[Withano]

https://i.imgur.com/BUGFoPy.jpg
Yes Kaz
its Pathetic.

Grabbing women
like that was 11 years ago.

As President he is much older
and regrets that Audio tape.


Left Wing Bill Clinton was just as BAD

Yeh, everyone makes mistakes like a little bit of sexual harassment in their 60s, now hes a wise 70-something year old. Like get over it guys.

[arista]

Yeh, everyone makes mistakes like a little bit of sexual harassment in their 60s, now hes a wise 70-something year old. Like get over it guys.


The Left Wingers
will keep on about it,
but who is the NEXT democratic leader
thats what they need?

[Withano]

The Left Wingers
will keep on about it,
but who is the NEXT democratic leader
thats what the need?

Bloody left wingers, cant even let a sexual predator become the most powerful man in the world without having a few words to say about it.

Do the right wingers not care arista?

[arista]

Bloody left wingers, cant even let a sexual predator become the most powerful man in the world without having a few words to say about it.

Do the right wingers not care arista?


Some Do Care
but 11 years ago it was taped.

He was a Sexual Predator
but Not Now as President of USA.

[Brillopad]

Bloody left wingers, cant even let a sexual predator become the most powerful man in the world without having a few words to say about it.

Do the right wingers not care arista?

Clinton had a similar history and his wife defended him which puts them both on pretty much the same level in my opinion. Like all the American and British politicians are so perfect. Never likely to happen.

[Kazanne]

IF Donald Trump was guilty of ALL the things he is accused of surely he would never have made president and he would have been locked up ages ago .Is there any proof of his so called misdemeanors ? has he been arrested over anything ? has he even been found guilty ? I cant say I like or dislike him as all I really know about him is that he is a self made billionaire, a bit on the sleazy side with opinions that some of us don't agree with , so I don't get all the hate and hysteria .

[arista]

IF Donald Trump was guilty of ALL the things he is accused of surely he would never have made president and he would have been locked up ages ago .Is there any proof of his so called misdemeanors ? has he been arrested over anything ? has he even been found guilty ? I cant say I like or dislike him as all I really know about him is that he is a self made billionaire, a bit on the sleazy side with opinions that some of us don't agree with , so I don't get all the hate and hysteria .

Its all they have.
they are sad left wingers

[arista]

Clinton had a similar history and his wife defended him which puts them both on pretty much the same level in my opinion. Like all the American and British politicians are so perfect. Never likely to happen.


Yes Bill Clinton as a PRESIDENT
getting that younger student Lady to suck him off/

Far worse

[Kazanne]

Yes Bill Clinton
getting that younger student Lady to suck him off/

Far worse

Yes,Ide say so arista.:wavey:

[Withano]

Clinton had a similar history and his wife defended him which puts them both on pretty much the same level in my opinion. Like all the American and British politicians are so perfect. Never likely to happen.

Ok you need to take down that ‘fighting double standards’ tag

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Bill Clinton as a PRESIDENT
getting that younger student Lady to suck him off/

Far worse

quite right


Clinton WAS a sex pest, the lies about Trump are just that

[Brillopad]

Ok you need to take down that ‘fighting double standards’ tag

How did you come to that conclusion. A particular fuss has been made about Trump - not because of such allegations, that’s just a stick to beat him with - but because of his un-PC policies on immigration.

If they didn’t have Trump they would have Clinton (both of them). It’s all a smokescreen to detract from the PC immigration views of the Left which is their real objection to him.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiKHgwIWsAEKW3r.jpg

Bye Bye Scotland

[lime]

I do have my own opinion , I also like to hear other peoples, and when there are serious debates about this sort of thing I do watch on TV and probably learn something :shrug: Much better than believing everything you read, and yes, I like to see Piers Morgan talking about such issues , because please or offend he will ask the questions most are too scared to ask.

Piers Morgan is not a debater...between hm and Farage I want to offer them a tub of Ben and Jerrys and some tampons...the hysretics is laughable.


I maybe wrong but I think you are trying to do a typiccal Trump move and sugggest I listen to fake news...WRONG...I lissten to all news and not one of them will talk it right about taking these babies away from their parents




You are talking to a mother that picked her kids and fled her homeland because it was no longer safe to be there

[Kazanne]

Piers Morgan is not a debater...between hm and Farage I want to offer them a tub of Ben and Jerrys and some tampons...the hysretics is laughable.


I maybe wrong but I think you are trying to do a typiccal Trump move and sugggest I listen to fake news...WRONG...I lissten to all news and not one of them will talk it right about taking these babies away from their parents




You are talking to a mother that picked her kids and fled her homeland because it was no longer safe to be there

Well tbh as a mother I don't feel my kids are particularly safe in this country , but that's another topic, I think you have me wrong but it's up to you how you see me , I said am quite happy to listen to all sides , I can learn from it all, I said before I don't know too much about Trump, I am learning all the time, I just refuse to believe anything I read that is from the press as we all know what the Sun did to Hillborough. I don't know where you got this I am a Trump fan from, I just don't particularly know that much about him and I find some of the things I hear about him down right nasty or stupid.

[Kizzy]

The far-Left and free speech comes to mind.

Whose speech is under threat? Can you give me an example...or do you just want people to be able to appear bigoted and racist without it being commented on?

Do you want free speech to mean the right to be racist without impunity?

[Brillopad]

Piers Morgan is not a debater...between hm and Farage I want to offer them a tub of Ben and Jerrys and some tampons...the hysretics is laughable.


I maybe wrong but I think you are trying to do a typiccal Trump move and sugggest I listen to fake news...WRONG...I lissten to all news and not one of them will talk it right about taking these babies away from their parents




You are talking to a mother that picked her kids and fled her homeland because it was no longer safe to be there

You are seeing the situation related to your own experience only I think. With all the movement going on throughout the world today no country may be safe. Just as you wanted to be safe with your children - mothers in the relative safety of the West want to keep their countries safe for their children.