Karma Ratings / poll merged

[Bells]

Use this thread to discuss which forum member's karma rating you've decided to boost, or lower, and why (if you choose to).

[Sam]

Mine isnt working because i think i voted someone earlier in the past three hours, i accidently voted someone down sorry :blush2:.

[Mrluvaluva]

Does anyone know how it works? Can you only change someones every 3 hours? It is obviously an incentive to be good on the forum. lol

[Bells]

Yeah, which is why I think it's a good idea! And I think it's basically there for if you see someone's post and you really like it, you click +Karma and the opposite if you disapprove of someone's.

Plus you can only do it after time intervals (not sure how long exactly), which I think makes sense too, otherwise people may be constantly changing everyone's karma... :hugesmile:

[Mrluvaluva]

So you can only change 1 members karma in a certain time period it seems.

[Sam]

Yes seems like it

[Bells]

Well, I changed J.C.'s because I've really enjoyed reading his posts lately!

[J.C.]

I think you can click a max of once each three hours. It was very funny when it opened up it was like AndyBigbro just hit the Karma jackpot! Honest, he was covered with Karma, it was great. I woke up this morning with a point, so whoever that was???...Thank you .....what a great idea admin. :thumbs:

[Sunny_01]

I think it is a great idea indeed - I went away for the weekend came back and we had Karma :dog:

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Ash
Well, I changed J.C.'s because I've really enjoyed reading his posts lately!

Omg, that was kind of you. It's made my day to be honest. As you have just noticed I am a bit slow on the uptake with my posting.

[MarkWaldorf]

It's a great idea! As long as people don't use it wrongly. :nono: :hugesmile:

[Sunny_01]

Agree with you Mark - I think it is a fantastic idea lets hope it works the way it has been intended to work :spin2:

[Sam]

I voted Nodishamy as his posts are excellent

[J.C.]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
It's a great idea! As long as people don't use it wrongly. :nono: :hugesmile:

I think you will find that this will settle in quite neatly, and that it can only really go wrong if members make their choices in groups to abuse the system for tactical voting .I think it is also very important not to get too carried away with the negative karma.

[Sam]

I dont think the negative karma is a good idea though? what does it achieve?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
It's a great idea! As long as people don't use it wrongly. :nono: :hugesmile:

I think you will find that this will settle in quite neatly, and that it can only really go wrong if members make their choices in groups to abuse the system for tactical voting .I think it is also very important not to get too carried away with the negative karma.

That's true.
Especially with BB8 tomorrow, there's going to be a lot of debating, which could lead to agreements or disagreements. Then the Karma would come in.

[Bells]

It encourages good behaviour on the forum I think Sam - especially with BB8 coming up and more and more new members etc. If there's a certain type of post you don't approve of, you can show that.

[Sam]

I like the awards thing personally :wink:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Sam
I like the awards thing personally :wink:

I like that too. As I said before, it gives people the credit they deserve. Shame the creators of them don't get as much credit though.

[Sam]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by Sam
I like the awards thing personally :wink:

I like that too. As I said before, it gives people the credit they deserve. Shame the creators of them don't get as much credit though.

* sheds tears* Yes i would have eight otherwisew :tongue:

[Bells]

Aww, well you could always keep it in your sig - we all know, or if not already, will come to know that you're the official banner comp person anyway! :thumbs:

[Sam]

* blushes * Well... :blush2:

[Sam]

Hey i have another karma vote :lovedup:

[Bells]

I've just ended up with 3 over the last hour :conf:... thanks to the people who gave me the karma votes. :flowers:

[Sam]

Ill give you one for your excellent posts soon :thumbs2:

[MarkWaldorf]

I'm still deciding on mine. :blush:

[Mrluvaluva]

What is the "awards" thing?

[Bells]

Competitions people have taken part in on the forum, and then won.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Ash
Competitions people have taken part in on the forum.

And won.

[Bells]

Lmao, you were too quick (I had just edited).

[MarkWaldorf]

Haha, yep. Too quick for youu!

[Nicola]

Sounds like a fun idea to reward people and be positive about each other on the Forum. I'm not expecting to get much and as part of my "Active During BB8" pact I won't get too upset or take it personally if I don't get anything.

Thanks to whoever gave me the point by the way! :cat:

The awards are also a good idea!

[Bells]

Yeah Baz, Shakira/my name thing. Never mind, I'll explain in a U2U. I wish Mark would shut his gob! See you what you've started Mark! :nono:

And I agree Nicola, I think it'll be even better from tomorrow onwards.

[Nicola]

Yeah expect to see me joining in more and more as the series goes on! :wavey:

[BeeBee]

I think one of the Mods should explain the Karma process to us all as I am confused about the time period wait thingy.....

Why wait 3 hours to give good Karma????

Mods, please intervene!

[Bells]

I think it's 3 hours, because otherwise people might go mental? I'm not sure.

[~Kizwiz~]

I think the karma system is a good idea in principle.

I do hope its not abused tho.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Ash
I think it's 3 hours, because otherwise people might go mental? I'm not sure.

Yeah, some could give karma to their friends like every few minutes and then they would do it in return so it ends up not being worth very much.

[Sophii3x]

Karma's good, it's on another forum I'm on so I'm glad that it's now on TiBB!

Iv'e only given one to Mark (admin) becuase of all the new stuff he's done. Not sure who gave me mine.. but thanks!:laugh:

[Ruth*Star]

I gave one to mark the admin because of the things he did last night, giving us the karma and the birthday thing

[Arneldo]

I gave Dan +1. I did accidentally, not knowing what it was but he deserves it anyway lol :hugesmile:

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Arneldo
I gave Dan +1. I did accidentally, not knowing what it was but he deserves it anyway lol :hugesmile:

:laugh: thanks.

[Mrluvaluva]

So is there a karma list where it is updated who has the most and the least? lol

[~Kizwiz~]

If you click on member list it shows you how many each member has got

[Chrizzle]

Im lvoing the karma thing, but Im gonna try and not give it to my friends.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Im lvoing the karma thing, but Im going to try and not give it to my friends.
I agree with you there Chris!

It makes the system more worthwhile

[BeeBee]

I've tried giving Karma and it ALWAYS tells me I can't do it.....

Is it possible you can't do it til you reach a certain number of posts???

I guess i'm still a noob!

[Bells]

Yes BeeBee, you need 100+ posts - but don't worry, you're not far off! :thumbs:

[MarkWaldorf]

I gave one to Ruth for a U2U she sent me earlier. :hello:

[Chrizzle]

I gave one to you Mark cos I dint know what it was, and I said 'ill try it out on Mark' and its not there anymore:conf:

[cepb]

What if someone takes a load of points off for no reason just because they've got a grudge against someone?

Does the person have to explain before taking points off?

[MarkWaldorf]

Oh well, lol.
Did someone steal it? :nono: lmao

[Bells]

Well, you can only vote every three hours if you choose to. And I think the admin has a log of who has given who karma and taken it off, so that shouldn't be a problem I don't think.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by cepb
What if someone takes a load of points off for no reason just because they've got a grudge against someone?

Does the person have to explain before taking points off?

Someone might have taken one off me then. :rolleyes:

[Bells]

It might've been me Mark, well I tried to give you karma but it didn't work... :conf: So sorry if it was. I wanted to give it to you because I was pleased you came back LOL.

Never mind, I'll give it to you later!

[MarkWaldorf]

LOL It doesn't matter, thanks anyway!

[Emilee]

Wow these are awesome. So are the awards. :colour:

[BigSister]

ooh i think its good. i havent given any1 any karma yet but im sure i will

[SiMoN!]

i have giv 1 to andy and ash so far

[Emilee]

I dont understand what they are lol

[BigSister]

Its if you agree with the posts or not emilie if you agree or if you think its a goo dpost you give + karma if you dont agree or you dont like what theya re saying you give - karma. or if its like exams or a birthday you can also give +karma as i just gave ash +1 for her exams

[GhettoSuperstar]

I have no friends :sad:

Owell just kidding. I like this idea but I expect me to be -10 soon, :whistle:
Har. TiBB rocks! :hello:

[GlitterEyes]

I don't understand it really...I do wonder if its based on posts or friendship though lol.

[Emilee]

LOL probably a bit of both.

[BigSister]

Yeah probbaly abit of both. I try to give it to good posts though

[Polka.dot]

i'm loving this! i think its based on posts and situations . plus admin has a log n also u can only do it every 3 hours right .

[GhettoSuperstar]

I don't really mind my rating. I just think its another thing to the forum. Lets not take it too seriously. :bigsmile:

[GlitterEyes]

Ok for some strange reason mine now says 1...don't think I have said much constructive...just been moaning:tongue:

[Captain.Remy]

The thing who scares me is now it could be sometimes the war and some jealousy between the membesr because "hey mate you have more karma points than me, that's unfair blablabla..."
I hope it will be right and something constructive.

[GlitterEyes]

Yeah it doesn't really highlight much for me, I think its more about who has the most friends than what people actually say or debate about. I think if it is to work it needs to be more clear.

[Captain.Remy]

Yes because the thing is, it could bring some conflicts and don't you think we have enough here ? there are too many arguments, then imagine if the members always keep an eye on it !

[Polka.dot]

those who earn respect r those that post good stuff tho so it shud b fine . and its getting clearer n clearer.. i think its a simple concept but anyway those who are having difficulty understanding have time to get used to it .

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by sunshine30
The thing who scares me is now it could be sometimes the war and some jealousy between the membesr because "hey mate you have more karma points than me, that's unfair blablabla..."
I hope it will be right and something constructive.
I have to agree with you there Remy, it like some people consider post count to do this too or how long a member has been on the site.

For me none of this matters. Its the posts that people make that does.

I really hope it doesnt end up like a popularity contest.

[Polka.dot]

on top of my last post, admin has records so why worry. :puzzled:
if it doesnt bother you just keep posting theres no need to spoil it for the others .

[Emilee]

Everyone is going to be voting for their frends and each other and it wont end up how people like reading each others posts. But i do think this is a great idea. It should be kept.

I think the awards are better though lol. :spin2:

[Polka.dot]

i dont like the awards at all bcoz for some ppl its hard to take part in contests n they end up with none .

Please don't use text speech in future or your posts will be removed - it is not allowed on TiBB

Red

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Emilee
Everyone is going to be voting for their frends and each other and it wont end up how people like reading each others posts.

Hopefully the people doing that will get bored of it after a while. It is a system to reward people and not big up your mates.

If that keeps happening people could have their voting rights taken away or the system removed.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : kizwiz
Originally posted by sunshine30
The thing who scares me is now it could be sometimes the war and some jealousy between the membesr because "hey mate you have more karma points than me, that's unfair blablabla..."
I hope it will be right and something constructive.
I have to agree with you there Remy, it like some people consider post count to do this too or how long a member has been on the site.

For me none of this matters. Its the posts that people make that does.

I really hope it doesnt end up like a popularity contest.

I'm not against the concept, and I do agree with you, at the end of the day, if the rules and the consideration about it are not clear, it will become a popularity contest ! And it will be the beginning of the end, I don't want a war here. We had too many conflicts, so now people have to understand what does that mean and don't abuse it.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by sunshine30

I'm not against the concept, and I do agree with you, at the end of the day, if the rules and the consideration about it are not clear, it will become a popularity contest ! And it will be the beginning of the end, I don't want a war here. We had too many conflicts, so now people have to understand what does that mean and don't abuse it.
I am sure that Admin will keep a pretty close eye on whats going on on the site regarding this.

I for one will give them out to people I feel have made good posts

[GlitterEyes]

I think its a good idea and it will take a bit of getting use to and understanding but I feel it will end up being abused and cause conflict and right at the start of bb won't be helpful. Its interesting, new and fresh just hope it stays that way.

[MarkWaldorf]

If people are voting their friends, or someone has more than others, I wouldn't worry. As Red said, some people will find it boring, and just forget about it. Isn't Karma meant to be a bad thing anyway? LOL

[Bells]

I really hope people don't abuse it, but to be honest I don't think they will as admin/mods are aware of who's doing what, and can therefore remove privileges accordingly. For me, I find it a good idea because sometimes I do read a post and think, 'That made a lot of sense' but unfortunately can't do much more apart from say, 'I agree'.

EDIT: Thanks to those of you who gave me karma votes. :flowers:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Isn't Karma meant to be a bad thing anyway? LOL

Ermm kind of..... its about doing something that will come back on you. Do a good deed then get one back in return and vice versa for bad deeds

Karma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma)

[Arneldo]

As a thnak you for the James Sutton Banner, i gave MarkChap?! +1.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Arneldo
As a thnak you for the James Sutton Banner, i gave MarkChap?! +1.

:hug: and thats the nice thing about Karma :hug:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Isn't Karma meant to be a bad thing anyway? LOL

Ermm kind of..... its about doing something that will come back on you. Do a good deed then get one back in return and vice versa for bad deeds

Karma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma)

Ahh, thanks.

I always thought it was do something bad, and something bad will happen to you? So in a way it could mean both?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Arneldo
As a thnak you for the James Sutton Banner, i gave MarkChap?! +1.

Aw thanks.

You're welcome. Sorry it was like 2 weeks late. :laugh:

[GlitterEyes]

While on the subject of Karma anyone here believe in it?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by GlitterEyes
While on the subject of Karma anyone here believe in it?

Only the bad Karma. I witness it all the time.

I don't believe in the good Karma for personal reasons.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!

So in a way it could mean both?
Yeah..... what you do will come back to you I guess.

[J.C.]

Some of us will remember Glen Hoddle, the ex England football coach who was fired for expressing his views on Karma. In his case, I believe he said something like, being born handicapped was like a punishment for a bad deed committed in a previous life. I don't buy into that at all, but in terms of the saying `what goes around comes around` that does have an air of truth to it but only in this life or indeed on this forum. I think it would be good Idea for admin to clarify and give more examples of how it should be used.
After the first couple of days I reckon we would tend to forget about the karma click until we read something that suddenly inspires us to vote. The negative button is the problem area as it is vital that everyone understands that a difference of opinion is nothing to do with negative karma.
:thumbs:

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by bigbro323
i dont like the awards at all bcoz for some people its hard to take part in contests n they end up with none .

Please don't use text speech in future or your posts will be removed - it is not allowed on TiBB

Red

Everyones open to the contests though.
X Factor and Next Top Model were open to ANYONE. Loads of people who werent excellent singers did X Factor, and NTM was fun and people did funny novelty photos. I recall Tanser saying he wanted to be a Page 3 Model lmao:laugh:

[Sunny_01]

I wouldnt worry about it too much - we understand that people will be inclined to give Karma to the people they get on most with, thats just a fact of life, why wouldnt they? as long as it does no turn into a competition I dont see any major problems with it!

I think it is a great idea along with the awards to let people show others that they appreciate each other, I really think the plus Karma will be used a lot more than the minus one to be honest!!

[Sam]

I beleive in Karma in real life, its a good belief to have :thumbs:

[GhettoSuperstar]

What is karma anyway?

[Sam]

In Hindu belief where the term originated, it is the idea that the good and evil a person does will return either in this life or in a later one. Among Pagans, the theory is that whatever negative or positive energies one sends out will come back to the sender in like kind. The “Three Fold Law” is a version of this belief.

[Ruth*Star]

I always wondered where Karma came from, thanks Sam.

[Sunny_01]

great explanation Sam :dance:

[Sam]

Thanks i found it on a website :thumbs:

[Chrizzle]

Giving Sam a Karma point in a few hours for saying 'i assume its for virgins only' talking about Virgin Media users:joker:

[BigSister]

Ive given you some Karma chris for the post in tthe other karma thread

[GhettoSuperstar]

I want to give Sam karma too. =]

[Sam]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Giving Sam a Karma point in a few hours for saying 'i assume its for virgins only' talking about Virgin Media users:joker:
Aww thanks, ill give you a karma point for winning tibbs next model seen as though on the night i was moody :thumbs:

[Sam]

Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
I want to give Sam karma too. =]

Awww :tongue: Stop it ! Your too kind :tongue:

Edit: Grr i got moved down one :tongue: and i think i know why by...

[Red Moon]

I'm expecting to get some negative karma points real soon :thumbs:

[Sophii3x]

Who's the king of the karma's so far.. Sam? :hugesmile:

[Sam]

May I ask

"Members with 100+ posts can use the Karma."

Use it how?

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Chrizzle
Giving Sam a Karma point in a few hours for saying 'i assume its for virgins only' talking about Virgin Media users:joker:
Aww thanks, ill give you a karma point for winning tibbs next model seen as though on the night i was moody :thumbs:

aw thanks!:thumbs:

[Sam]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by Chrizzle
Giving Sam a Karma point in a few hours for saying 'i assume its for virgins only' talking about Virgin Media users:joker:
Aww thanks, ill give you a karma point for winning tibbs next model seen as though on the night i was moody :thumbs:

aw thanks!:thumbs:

Sorry i was really moody and a bit upset because Remy really wanted to win but i was so selfish as to not even congratulate you, so well done :thumbs:

[Chrizzle]

Thanks:thumbs:

[andybigbro]

Damn i was going to give Simon one but i have slready used mine so i will give him it later

[Sam]

Ive got lots of karmas to give people who really deserve it , i get my vote back in ten minutes, i want to vote Chrizzle, Mark, Andy and Sophie, theres so many people who deserve it on this forum

[Matt]

Thanks to whoever's given me karma so far!

[andybigbro]

Matt it was me that gave you one

[Bells]

Thanks to whoever's given me my recent 2 karmas! :hug:

[Sam]

Good luck Ash, only one more until the thumb! :tongue:

[Michael]

id appreciate if some people karma me, please :sad:

lol

[Sam]

Originally posted by mcq
id appreciate if some people karma me, please :sad:

lol

Aww im sure someone will:wink:

[Michael]

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by mcq
id appreciate if some people karma me, please :sad:

lol

Aww Im sure someone will:wink:

you not going to? il karma you lol :hello:

[Sam]

Originally posted by mcq
Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by mcq
id appreciate if some people karma me, please :sad:

lol

Aww Im sure someone will:wink:

you not going to? il karma you lol :hello:

shhh lol, thats not the point, your suppose to karma people with good threads and good posts, though i dont think this karma experiment has worked really, if i see a good post of yours im sure i will :tongue: Your a good poster and im sure someone will karma you very soon

[Michael]

ahh rite, thanks!

[Sam]

What do you think of TiBB's latest feature?

[MarkWaldorf]

If I'm being honest, I don't like it. But I don't hate it.

Looking round, I can see people are just randomly giving it to people. Also, those who don't have any are now 'begging' for some. Some have -3 Karma which is a bit unfair.

[Sam]

Originally posted by mcq
ahh rite, thanks!

you never know, i may vote for you if i see a good thread

[andybigbro]

i Like It

[Sam]

At the end of the day its a popularity contest, anything like this always turns out as a populairty contest which a shame. Have an argument with some one? Its a great way to get revenge by voting them down? I dont see why it was brought on to be honest

Edit: I know ive got nine points but i think it will just cause rivalry

[LargeAndInCharge]

i feel like a twat askin this but

what is 'karma'

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
If I'm being honest, I don't like it. But I don't hate it.

Looking round, I can see people are just randomly giving it to people. Also, those who don't have any are now 'begging' for some. Some have -3 Karma which is a bit unfair.

I have to agree with you there Mark....I think it may become a popularity contest..... its going to be a race to see who has how many and thats what this site is all about

[Bells]

I think it might be more useful when BB starts, and hopefully people won't abuse it. This is only the first day after all - so at the moment I'm not sure, because I don't want to judge too soon.

[Sam]

Lets face it is a race and for me a bad idea,

[SiMoN!]

its good i think

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Sam
At the end of the day its a popularity contest, anything like this always turns out as a populairty contest which a shame. Have an argument with some one? Its a great way to get revenge by voting them down? I dont see why it was brought on to be honest

Edit: I know ive got nine points but i think it will just cause rivalry

It was meant to reward good posts and it seems to being abused.

[LargeAndInCharge]

what is karma

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
If I'm being honest, I don't like it. But I don't hate it.

Looking round, I can see people are just randomly giving it to people. Also, those who don't have any are now 'begging' for some. Some have -3 Karma which is a bit unfair.

I have to agree with you there Mark....I think it may become a popularity contest..... its going to be a race to see who has how many and thats what this site is all about

Yeah, that's true. Fair enough if someone makes loads of good posts, and has like 6 Karma. But I don't think the Karma has been given out fairly.

[Sophii3x]

I think this is working really well on here so far! But people, just renember not to take it personally if you get a -Karma.

On another forum I was on 20, but then a few weeks ago because I was supporting Paris and everything it went down to 12 in a matter of hours. I wasn't bothered but you do feel a bit crappy about it which is normal! But anyways.. I'm on 18 now! :tongue:

(Still only given one to Mark this morning, when I see a worthy post, I will then give)

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!

Yeah, that's true. Fair enough if someone makes loads of good posts, and has like 6 Karma. But I don't think the Karma has been given out fairly.

I am all for rewarding good posts but lets be honest..... its clear from the first day that thats not how this is going to be.

Its sad really because its a cracking idea.

[Captain.Remy]

The worst idea ever really. The mod said they don't want conflicts and arguments but at the end of the day, TIBB will become a big popularity contest between each members, it will be sad, I don't want that to my account. It's so unfair, it's a forum when we could express our opinions and now if someone disagrees with you, that persons gives you away a point, that's weird.
I don't hate it, I just don't like the idea. And I don't see the point for being rewared because we made a great post, normally it's normal to make great posts.
Please mod, think about it.

[Sam]

To be honest i dont think i deserve nine karmas for the posts i make

[Sophii3x]

Iv'e been used to it on another forum, so I like it. It's still early days with it on TiBB, but I hope people don't get too carried away or too upset by it.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by MarkChap?!

Yeah, that's true. Fair enough if someone makes loads of good posts, and has like 6 Karma. But I don't think the Karma has been given out fairly.

I am all for rewarding good posts but lets be honest..... its clear from the first day that thats not how this is going to be.

Its sad really because its a cracking idea.

It's a brilliant idea. It could be because there are so many people on here.

Maybe if you could only give out 1 or 2 a day it might work fairer. But then that does ruin the good posting credit.

[LargeAndInCharge]

WHAT IS KARMA

[Sam]

I agree one a day would be better

[Matt]

I chose don't like because I feel it might cause arguments...

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!

It's a brilliant idea. It could be because there are so many people on here.

Maybe if you could only give out 1 or 2 a day it might work fairer. But then that does ruin the good posting credit.

one or two a day would be grand but it still might be the same thing happening.

I would rather it just be removed from my account to be honest. I dont want to be judged on what people think of my posts and I would be gutted if any got taken away.

[Captain.Remy]

Do you think we could ask the mods to remove it fom people who don't want that in their accounts ? I hope so !

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by MarkChap?!

It's a brilliant idea. It could be because there are so many people on here.

Maybe if you could only give out 1 or 2 a day it might work fairer. But then that does ruin the good posting credit.

one or two a day would be grand but it still might be the same thing happening.

I would rather it just be removed from my account to be honest. I dont want to be judged on what people think of my posts and I would be gutted if any got taken away.

Yeah.
I think we should have the option of wanting the Karma. I wouldn't mind it being removed from mine too.

The people with -3 Karma though must feel unwanted, depending on what they have done. I've seen people - peoples due to arguments which they weren't even involved in.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Do you think we could ask the mods to remove it fom people who don't want that in their accounts ? I hope so !

I dont know..... I hope so because I would just rather it be removed from my account.

[Captain.Remy]

We need that option please mods !!!

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by sunshine30
We need that option please mods !!!

Deffo!

[LargeAndInCharge]

WHAT IS KARMA

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by sunshine30
We need that option please mods !!!

Deffo!

Its not up to the Mods..... its an admin thing Iam afraid

[Bells]

I've given two out today anyway - one to Mark because I was glad he'd come back to the forum, and one to J.C. earlier today. I'll give out another when I see a post that deserves it.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by sunshine30
We need that option please mods !!!

Deffo!

Its not up to the Mods..... its an admin thing Iam afraid

Ah yeah. Well hopefully Mark will understand.

[Sam]

I want mine removed

[MarkWaldorf]

Me too.

Seems like somebodys already removing mine for me though. :laugh2:

[Bells]

I think an optional thing might be the answer - we'll see when Mark next comes on.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Me too.

Seems like somebodys already removing mine for me though. :laugh2:

Huh???? Your kidding..... why?????????

[Sam]

Yeah i hope Mark will let us

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Me too.

Seems like somebodys already removing mine for me though. :laugh2:

Huh???? Your kidding..... why?????????

I have no clue. It's just gone down. :laugh:

[lily.]

How do we use this crap then?

[Ruth*Star]

I like the Karma, its new and its early days, people need to get used to it.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by L
How do we use this c**p then?

Every 3 hours you can add or take away a forum members karma

[Sam]

Looks like Ash is on 10, and the first to get a thumb, she deserves one

[Dan_]

I think the optional thing is the way to go really, it's pretty harsh on some people getting negative karma for seemingly nothing, I can understand it for spamming or text speech but some on negative karma have not done any of that.

In an ideal world those being given it would be getting it for a lot of great posts but I just cannot see it working out like that especially if and when arguments break out.There's some people making great posts and not getting anything.

[Mike]

I like the idea if everyone sticks to the plan but unfortunately it's not looking that way, it should be good for when BB starts because there are some very good posters who always make good posts however i have noticed that certain members have already been awarded with karma yet it only came onto the forum in the early hours of this morning plus those people have hardly even been on. If people want to give karma out it's not a problem but if your going to then at least do it for the right reasons instead of making it some sort of competion as to who can reach whatever number first, we all want this to work and remain a tibb feature so let's try not abusing the whole thing that way it doesn't have to be taken off.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Sam
Looks like Ash is on 10, and the first to get a thumb, she deserves one

I didn't expect that all. Thanks! I still think this karma thing will take getting used to, because to be honest I've not done anything different today, but if people feel I should be rewarded for my posts then I won't argue, lol.

EDIT: As I said before, I hope this isn't abused but it's early days yet. And with BB coming up it should be useful. But I can still see the optional thing happening.

[lily.]

It'll just be down to popularity in the end. Friend's will give positive Karma and enemies will give negative.

I don't care where mine is to be honest. :shrug: As long as people don't take it seriously, then no harm is done.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
I think this is working really well on here so far! But people, just renember not to take it personally if you get a -Karma.

On another forum I was on 20, but then a few weeks ago because I was supporting Paris and everything it went down to 12 in a matter of hours. I wasn't bothered but you do feel a bit crappy about it which is normal! But anyways.. I'm on 18 now! :tongue:

(Still only given one to Mark this morning, when I see a worthy post, I will then give)

aww Sophie, that's a very good example of what happens when the system is abused. It would be wrong to take away karma points just because of a member's opinion or because of who they are a fan of. I'm not surprised it didn't feel great. I think and hope this would be spotted very quickly on this forum and those members would then be advised of the real reasons for giving negative karma. IMO we should all consider using far more of the positive button than the negative one. I think it will work well:thumbs:

[Amy21]

I dont understand what this karma thing is???. What does it mean???.

[lily.]

It's all a bit "high school" Amy. I wouldn't worry about it. Gimme 3 hours and I'll add one onto urs.. :laugh:

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Amy21
I dont understand what this karma thing is???. What does it mean???.

You can reward people with a point for a good posts and takeaway a point for bad posts basically.

I gave you karma btw.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Originally posted by Sam
Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
I want to give Sam karma too. =]

Awww :tongue: Stop it ! Your too kind :tongue:

Edit: Grr i got moved down one :tongue: and i think i know why by...

Lol you make me larf :bigsmile::cheer2::bigsmile:

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Mike
I like the idea if everyone sticks to the plan but unfortunately it's not looking that way, it should be good for when BB starts because there are some very good posters who always make good posts however i have noticed that certain members have already been awarded with karma yet it only came onto the forum in the early hours of this morning plus those people have hardly even been on. If people want to give karma out it's not a problem but if your going to then at least do it for the right reasons instead of making it some sort of competion as to who can reach whatever number first, we all want this to work and remain a tibb feature so let's try not abusing the whole thing that way it doesn't have to be taken off.

This is probably just a first day type of thing. Members are probably wanting to try the new system out and are no doubt considering their most positive vibes from recent posts as opposed to just today. As for the negative votes being back dated so to speak, that is a bit unfortunate but it should settle in within a short while.:thumbs:

[GhettoSuperstar]

Love it! But I want -100 karma lol to be different.

[Arneldo]

I like it and i think during Non-BB TiBB it work very well but with BB coming up people will give Karma to people who support the same housemates as them and it will be abused - Not by all members mind, just maybe the immature text talk members.

But i do like it and i think we should give it a chance before we all plead for it to be taken off.

[Bells]

Just gave you one for that Aaron, because I think that was a really mature post.

[Chrizzle]

I like it. It will be good for BB.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Ash
Just gave you one for that Aaron, because I think that was a really mature post.

Thanks Ash! :thumbs:

[Amy21]

I get it now. Sounds a bit mean though if people do bad posts they get points taken away. And plus its horrible if some people get loads of points but others dont get any at all. Who created this idea???.

Dan thank you very much for the point I have been wondering who gave me the point :bigsmile: :kiss: :hug: xxxx.

[Bells]

People had been asking for it for a while Amy. I think it could work, but we'll have to see.

[Arneldo]

Also, i think the idea that some members could get -Karma could stop arguments and stupid fights that sometimes kick off over nothing.

[Michael]

i like it, too, makes the forum look even more better and interesting.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Also, i think the idea that some members could get -Karma could stop arguments and stupid fights that sometimes kick off over nothing.

That's a really good point! Constant bickering can get so irritating to read sometimes.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Corporal
what is 'karma'

I think it's an Eastern philosophy. It is on the wikipedia search engine. :joker:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Also, i think the idea that some members could get -Karma could stop arguments and stupid fights that sometimes kick off over nothing.

That's true. But a lot of -Karma has been given out for no reason. There are people with -3. And someone took one off me for no reason lmao.

[xGemmax]

I think it's a nice addition! But I hope it doesn't cause any bad feeling or upset anyone. It's supposed to be fun!

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by Arneldo
Also, i think the idea that some members could get -Karma could stop arguments and stupid fights that sometimes kick off over nothing.

That's true. But a lot of -Karma has been given out for no reason. There are people with -3. And someone took one off me for no reason lmao.

Well Mark said those wo abuse it and give out -Karma for no reason will get the power to give and recive Karma taken off them.

[Emilee]

I think its a great idea.... It might make people post better.
But if it does become a race for popularity it certainly wont work.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by Arneldo
Also, i think the idea that some members could get -Karma could stop arguments and stupid fights that sometimes kick off over nothing.

That's true. But a lot of -Karma has been given out for no reason. There are people with -3. And someone took one off me for no reason lmao.

Well Mark said those wo abuse it and give out -Karma for no reason will get the power to give and recive Karma taken off them.

Oh?

I don't care really anyway. Just a little Karma.

[Matt]

Hey! Someone took a karma off me!

[Stu]

When all is said and done its not a perfect world and this is not a perfect forum. A karma system is certainly an ill-advised way of trying to whip some less-preffered members into shape , as well as being leveraged as a tool for personal vendettas , the karma system will also segragate members , cause popularity races , and create an exclusive club of established members who will grow to have monstrous karma.

Me-no-likey bassicaly.

[the_chosen_one]

The only problem i would have is that karma is about you deciding your own fate according to Earl, not someone else deciding it for you. I think we should control our own karma score. :bigsmile:

[xGemmax]

On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by xGemmax
On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

That person must be pretty sad.:laugh:

[xGemmax]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

That person must be pretty sad.:laugh:

Tell me about it :laugh::rolleyes:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Stu
When all is said and done its not a perfect world and this is not a perfect forum. A karma system is certainly an ill-advised way of trying to whip some less-preffered members into shape , as well as being leveraged as a tool for personal vendettas , the karma system will also segragate members , cause popularity races , and create an exclusive club of established members who will grow to have monstrous karma.

Me-no-likey bassicaly.
To add another brick to this wall of rants , the karma system will also discourage membership and weed out some members with low karma.

To re-itterate , Me-no-likey :whistle:.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by xGemmax
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

That person must be pretty sad.:laugh:

Tell me about it :laugh::rolleyes:

Is it still happening now on that forum? Or has it just toned down a bit?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Matt™
Hey! Someone took a karma off me!

Same! :laugh2:

[xGemmax]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

That person must be pretty sad.:laugh:

Tell me about it :laugh::rolleyes:

Is it still happening now on that forum? Or has it just toned down a bit?

No, this was around Christmas time. The person got bored of it eventually :laugh:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Stu

To add another brick to this wall of rants , the karma system will also discourage membership and weed out some members with low karma.


Very very good point!!!

This might start fights too... I would never do this but I can see a scenario where as someone wont be listened to because they have a "low" karma by others that have a high karma.

This has already happened recently regarding post counts!!!!

[Stu]

Originally posted by xGemmax
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

That person must be pretty sad.:laugh:

Tell me about it :laugh::rolleyes:

Is it still happening now on that forum? Or has it just toned down a bit?

No, this was around Christmas time. The person got bored of it eventually :laugh:
And whats stopping it from happening here?...

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by xGemmax
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Originally posted by xGemmax
On another forum, me and this other girl kept on getting smited like 40 times a day! I have a feeling whoever was doing it has more than one account. You can give and take away karma every hour there..we had absolutely no idea who was doing it, but it was so annoying that someone could be that petty :conf: I hadn't even done anything wrong.. =( As long as that doesn't happen here, the karma is a good idea

That person must be pretty sad.:laugh:

Tell me about it :laugh::rolleyes:

Is it still happening now on that forum? Or has it just toned down a bit?

No, this was around Christmas time. The person got bored of it eventually :laugh:

:laugh: So your Karma's fine now.

[Arneldo]

Well you see, i think people are going to get Karma coming an going for the next few days. My advice is not to take it too seriously or personally. Matt & Markus, i ain't seen anything from either of you that deserved -Karma so its probably some jealous member. Mark said that people who abuse it will have it taken off them, so I'm sure that person will be at least be warned.

[MarkWaldorf]

Yeah, that's true Aaron.

Matt, we know we haven't done anything wrong, so don't worry.

[~Kizwiz~]

I am afraid that that 2 of the 7 deadly sins have been added to the forum today:

ENVY & JEALOUSY

[MarkWaldorf]

LMAO Kiz, that's very true.

[Stu]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I am afraid that that 2 of the 7 deadly sins have been added to the forum today:

ENVY & JEALOUSY
And we already have the gluttony & greed [post *****s] , sloth [text speech] , Wrath [most of my own posts] , and pride [remember the argument over who posted the pictures first?].

This forum is going to hell!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Stu

And we already have the gluttony & greed [post *****s] , sloth [text speech] , Wrath [most of my own posts] , and pride [remember the argument over who posted the pictures first?].

This forum is going to hell!
Cracking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That made me laugh so much!!!!!!

[Sunny_01]

I think saying this forum is going to hell when you have only been here a short time is very harsh indeed! How about give it a real go then comment?

Karma - well if used properly I think it is a great idea and lets not get to caught up in Karma frenzy! the problem is it is all everyone has talked about all day!

Let is sit there a while, get used to it, see how it feels in a week or so then complain, but it is such early days.

It seems that at times Mark and James can not do right for doing wrong :bored:

[Sunny_01]

I think that the whole point is it is an anonymous thing, people dont know who they get good or bad Karma from!!!

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think saying this forum is going to hell when you have only been here a short time is very harsh indeed! How about give it a real go then comment?
Sarcasm knocks on your door with a happy face and a shake of the hand...

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think saying this forum is going to hell when you have only been here a short time is very harsh indeed! How about give it a real go then comment?

Karma - well if used properly I think it is a great idea and lets not get to caught up in Karma frenzy! the problem is it is all everyone has talked about all day!

Let is sit there a while, get used to it, see how it feels in a week or so then complain, but it is such early days.

It seems that at times Mark and James can not do right for doing wrong :bored:

I agree that it needs time to settle in....but ..... its taken over from whats happening tomorrow.

As far as I can see,today it has been abused. I cant see it being any different tomorrow or the day after that. Somepeople are always going to vote for mates.

[MarkWaldorf]

Yeah, but getting -Karma for no reason is unfair.

[Sophii3x]

Guysss.. please don't let it get to you. BB8 is coming tomorrow, you'll have plenty of time to gain karma's!

[Sunny_01]

I do understand and appreciate your concerns Kiz but like I say lets give it a little more time.

People will get carried away and give their pals their Karma at first but then it will settle (says me the optomist lol )

[Sunny_01]

I agree Mark and I am hoping that in the coming days people will forget about it and let it become part of normal TIBB life, just now it is a new toy really :dog:

[MarkWaldorf]

Yeah, within the next week people probably as fussed with it.

[Stu]

Fair enough the forum should give it a chance , but equally fair it should be the members who decide. A poll should be put up in say a week.

Now that I think of it , therein lies a problem. Some people who have lots of Karma will be in love with the system as it strokes their digital egos so to speak ,so they will vote to keep it.

I just think the negatives outweigh the positives. The forum could probably do with karma here. But it could do without it far easier.

[Sunny_01]

I hear what you say Stu and I will take that suggestion to the Team. I agree new features need reviewed which is what we will be doing on a daily basis.

[Arneldo]

I have given +1 to Sunny_01 for her posts in the 'Karma? Love it or Hate it?' topic :thumbs:

[Sunny_01]

yep it will with luck just become a normal feature - I am not planning on getting upset about Karma ratings at my name, at the end of the day I am a MOD here and feel sure people will do the negative thing when I give them an ear bashing lol

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I do understand and appreciate your concerns Kiz but like I say lets give it a little more time.

People will get carried away and give their pals their Karma at first but then it will settle (says me the optomist lol )

I do hope so sunny...... I really do.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Stu
Fair enough the forum should give it a chance , but equally fair it should be the members who decide. A poll should be put up in say a week.

Now that I think of it , therein lies a problem. Some people who have lots of Karma will be in love with the system as it strokes their digital egos so to speak ,so they will vote to keep it.

I just think the negatives outweigh the positives. The forum could probably do with karma here. But it could do without it far easier.

So why have you now got a minus Karma???? Oh come on...... thats not fair

[Stu]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Stu
Fair enough the forum should give it a chance , but equally fair it should be the members who decide. A poll should be put up in say a week.

Now that I think of it , therein lies a problem. Some people who have lots of Karma will be in love with the system as it strokes their digital egos so to speak ,so they will vote to keep it.

I just think the negatives outweigh the positives. The forum could probably do with karma here. But it could do without it far easier.

So why have you now got a minus Karma???? Oh come on...... thats not fair
I would tell you why , but someone with too much time on their hands may deduct my karma....

[Sunny_01]

Not worth getting upset about though - I plan not to give to much thought to my Karma - take at will is what I say it wont affect the posts I make or the people I speak with :wavey:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Not worth getting upset about though - I plan not to give to much thought to my Karma - take at will is what I say it wont affect the posts I make or the people I speak with :wavey:
Yeah I plan on making light of the situation with bad jokes , which in turn may lower my karma even more.

And your a mod , which come to think of it , almost guarantees your gonna get negative karma from an angry member :joker:.

[Sunny_01]

yep yep Stu which is why my thick skin will not allow me to get upset about it :laugh:

[andybigbro]

i Just gavre some to My Dear Linda

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Stu
Fair enough the forum should give it a chance , but equally fair it should be the members who decide. A poll should be put up in say a week.

Now that I think of it , therein lies a problem. Some people who have lots of Karma will be in love with the system as it strokes their digital egos so to speak ,so they will vote to keep it.

I just think the negatives outweigh the positives. The forum could probably do with karma here. But it could do without it far easier.

So why have you now got a minus Karma???? Oh come on...... thats not fair

People are going to abuse but as Mark said the people that do will have the power to give out and to recive Karma taken from them.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by andybigbro
i Just gavre some to My Dear Linda

Shhhh this is all meant to be secret lol :hug:

[Sophii3x]

At the end of the day, karma is a number. I'ts sad that some people have gotten upset by it. :sad:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
At the end of the day, karma is a number.
No need for it to be here then.

[SiMoN!]

it would be good if we can havelike a list of the top 50 people who have the most or something

[Emilee]

^^ yer that would be good... show who are the most popular.
Thats not really fair on the people with like -3

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by SiMoN!
it would be good if we can havelike a list of the top 50 people who have the most or something
Then it really becomes a compitition

[SiMoN!]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by SiMoN!
it would be good if we can havelike a list of the top 50 people who have the most or something
Then it really becomes a compitition

oh yer people might take it to hart

just thought it woulde be good to see has the most

[Legend]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by Sophii3x
At the end of the day, karma is a number.
No need for it to be here then.

Why not? Do you really give a shiny $hite about it being here?

Sophie summed it up well, it is only a number, A NUMBER, something that shouldn't be taken serious, a bit of fun, no biggie, something that the majority of members want and like having. It's a good addition to the forum and i can't understand how ''a number'' has caused such a debate.

[Chrizzle]

I think its a lot of fuss for something which doesnt matter at all.
Its a new addition to the forum, something new for BB8. Anyone who gets bothered by a tiny number under their avatar needs to experience some real problems:laugh:

Yeah its not as nice, as having main numbers, but if your that bothered try and win them back by doing insightful and worthy posts.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Stu
Fair enough the forum should give it a chance , but equally fair it should be the members who decide. A poll should be put up in say a week.

Now that I think of it , therein lies a problem. Some people who have lots of Karma will be in love with the system as it strokes their digital egos so to speak ,so they will vote to keep it.

I just think the negatives outweigh the positives. The forum could probably do with karma here. But it could do without it far easier.

So why have you now got a minus Karma???? Oh come on...... thats not fair
I would tell you why , but someone with too much time on their hands may deduct my karma....

Me too!!:sad: I wasnt even here...

Im glad real karma isnt up to other people!!:tongue:

[Sunny_01]

It really is about rewarding great posts etc.. it was put here as a positive thing not a negative - lets give it time then we can review it.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
I think its a lot of fuss for something which doesnt matter at all.
Its a new addition to the forum, something new for BB8. Anyone who gets bothered by a tiny number under their avatar needs to experience some real problems:laugh:

Yeah its not as nice, as having main numbers, but if your that bothered try and win them back by doing insightful and worthy posts.

I give up then......So we cant debate it because we need to experience real problems?

I personally dont like the negative effect that this will have

[Sunny_01]

I dont think thats what Chris was saying at all Kiz, I think he was trying to encourage people not to get to upset about a number!

Like I have said this is going to take time to see if it will work, but unless we all work together to give it that time then it has very little chance which would be a real shame

[~Kizwiz~]

I just feel very sorry for people who have negative karma on day one.... some even have -3..... not fair really when I personally cant see what they have done wrong

[Sunny_01]

I know Kiz I know and hopefully like I say they will get their dislike out of their system in the first day or so and things will settle down. Come tomorrow no one will give a monkeys chuff about Karma :dance2:

[~Kizwiz~]

I am going to leave this now.

I like the site.... no.... I love the site.... and I didnt see how this can improve it :sad:

No matter what anybody says..... there are going to be people who get back by taking karma when they dont like what you have to say and time isnt going to stop that in my opinion. But hey.... it only little me's opinion

:sad::sad::sad::sad:

[Sunny_01]

I totally respect your opinion Kiz and accept that you could possibly be right, I would just like to see it given a little time.

People will always abuse something like this but lets hope the majority of our fantastic members will not do that to each other :hug:

[MarkWaldorf]

You're right Kiz, just leave it.

I would just log off for now and come back tomorrow knowing you can look forward to BB8, without it on your mind.

I actually might do that. :laugh:

[Sunny_01]

I have a better idea - I will lock this thread and re-open it in a week with a new poll!!!