Anyone know if this is true or fake

[Kazanne]

Came across this news item when I was surfing,surely this can't be true, how can he be imprisoned for exposing grooming gangs? :shrug: or is it fake news?
https://www.infowars.com/fox-news-confirms-tommy-robinson-sentenced-13-months-for-reporting-on-pedophile-grooming-trial/

[Smithy]

He was arrested three days ago for breaching the peace, i doubt that story is true, but it’s no great loss if he disappears anyway

[Withano]

He should be sentenced to life for being ****ing irritating.

[Parmy]

Came across this news item when I was surfing,surely this can't be true, how can he be imprisoned for exposing grooming gangs? :shrug: or is it fake news?
https://www.infowars.com/fox-news-confirms-tommy-robinson-sentenced-13-months-for-reporting-on-pedophile-grooming-trial/

He was on a suspended sentence already, there is a video of his arrest for breaching it somewhere...

[Oliver_W]

Apparently he was "breaching the peace", but all he was doing was reporting on the trial of a grooming gang. As he was on a suspended sentence, he got jail time with no trial.

[Matthew.]

it is true

[Alf]

He's in Hull prison, I live a 10 minutes walk away from where he is.

[user104658]

Hopefully it's true. Obviously these gangs need to be dealt with, and harshly, but accepting mindless thug vigilantism from the likes of Robinson is not the way to go about it. Some people might not mind being dragged into the gutter "for the greater good", but it would take a LOT to convince me that it's an acceptable path.

[Alf]

Hopefully it's true. Obviously these gangs need to be dealt with, and harshly, but accepting mindless thug vigilantism from the likes of Robinson is not the way to go about it. Some people might not mind being dragged into the gutter "for the greater good", but it would take a LOT to convince me that it's an acceptable path.You don't deserve to live in a free country, with that attitude.

[arista]

Came across this news item when I was surfing,surely this can't be true, how can he be imprisoned for exposing grooming gangs? :shrug: or is it fake news?
https://www.infowars.com/fox-news-confirms-tommy-robinson-sentenced-13-months-for-reporting-on-pedophile-grooming-trial/


It was on all media in the last few days
that he was set up
and arrested.


Also he would appeal , anyway.

He was filming with his Mobile Phone
he should have got someone else to do that.

[Greg!]

It is true that he was arrested, but your source is infowars, which peddles conspiracy theories and lies, so you should take the information in that article with a huge pinch of salt

[arista]

He was on a suspended sentence already, there is a video of his arrest for breaching it somewhere...


Yes that was his big error


He could have had someone else Film it.

So his breaching the peace
is because he is on this Suspended Sentence.

[arista]

Apparently he was "breaching the peace", but all he was doing was reporting on the trial of a grooming gang. As he was on a suspended sentence, he got jail time with no trial.


Well Put Oliver W

[arista]

It is true that he was arrested, but your source is infowars, which peddles conspiracy theories and lies, so you should take the information in that article with a huge pinch of salt


Alex Jones
is his mate from USA
but he needs the Full Story:

"suspended sentence - broken"

[user104658]

You don't deserve to live in a free country, with that attitude.For believing that it's a good thing for a known violent thug who has violated his parole conditions to be taken off the streets? He isn't above the law and he knew the conditions of his parole. He chose to break them, probably believing that his minor celebrity and social media following would somehow protect him. He was incorrect.

Like I said, sometimes his goals are understandable and dare I say it, well-meaning, but supporting an aggressive extremist - as that's exactly what he is - will never be the right way of doing it.

[arista]

He should be sentenced to life for being ****ing irritating.


No one was hurt.


Maybe Alex Jones can Fly over to interview him
in Prison.
then it will go on Our BBC News.
(we pay for the BBC news)

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah saw this.There was supposed to be a media silence or something where you’d be arrested for giving information but he was apparently only reporting what was in the papers already so they slapped a ‘breach of the peace’ on him.
Some people are saying it could be a death sentence.The prisons are rammed with muslims who want him dead.
The guy who lobbed the bacon sarnie at the mosque was murdered in prison not that long ago.

[arista]

Yeah saw this.There was supposed to be a media silence or something where you’d be arrested for giving information but he was apparently only reporting what was in the papers already so they slapped a ‘breach of the peace’ on him.
Some people are saying it could be a death sentence.The prisons are rammed with muslims who want him dead.
The guy who lobbed the bacon sarnie at the mosque was murdered in prison not that long ago.

They will put him on the Special Wing
so no one can kill him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Came across this news item when I was surfing,surely this can't be true, how can he be imprisoned for exposing grooming gangs? :shrug: or is it fake news?
https://www.infowars.com/fox-news-confirms-tommy-robinson-sentenced-13-months-for-reporting-on-pedophile-grooming-trial/

Its disgraceful

[Tom4784]

You can usually tell by looking at the fact that it's an Info Wars article. It's spun bull****.

Stay away from Info Wars if you want anything resembling the truth.

[arista]

You can usually tell by looking at the fact that it's an Info Wars article. It's spun bull****.

Stay away from Info Wars if you want anything resembling the truth.


Its also FoxNews on that link.
Do Not BLAME Kaz.

As pointed out by other posters on this thread
its a media silence in the UK.

He is in Prison now.

[Brillopad]

Yeah saw this.There was supposed to be a media silence or something where you’d be arrested for giving information but he was apparently only reporting what was in the papers already so they slapped a ‘breach of the peace’ on him.
Some people are saying it could be a death sentence.The prisons are rammed with muslims who want him dead.
The guy who lobbed the bacon sarnie at the mosque was murdered in prison not that long ago.

I hope they will do a decent job at protecting him from that mob.

Surely the other guy wasn’t in jail simply for throwing a bacon sarnie at a mosque - that would be tantamount to them sentencing the guy to death putting him with Muslim terrorists for such a minor offence.

[arista]

Its disgraceful

He was set up.

But he has a Lawyer
that would have warned him to not Film
with his phone
while being on a Suspended Sentence ETC

[James]

Yeah saw this.There was supposed to be a media silence or something where you’d be arrested for giving information but he was apparently only reporting what was in the papers already so they slapped a ‘breach of the peace’ on him.
Some people are saying it could be a death sentence.The prisons are rammed with muslims who want him dead.
The guy who lobbed the bacon sarnie at the mosque was murdered in prison not that long ago.

Drug overdose, police said it was not murder. Full inquest not yet heard.


A post mortem examination heard he died of a suspected overdose of methadone and a police investigation deemed it was not suspicious.
Two bacon sandwiches left at the door of the Jamia mosque, Bristol (Picture: SWNS)

A full inquest will begin on December 3, with the current details given in preparation.

Crehan, from Knowle West, Bristol, had served five months of his sentence when he was found dead in Horfield Prison, Bristol.

He was a convicted football hooligan who was jailed for a year after the racist ‘protest’ in the city.

Protests organised by the English Defence League in the wake of Crehan’s death described him as a ‘loyal patriot’ and ‘family man’, and blasted the ‘outrageous sentence’ as men in masks waved Union Flags outside Bristol Crown Court.

Online commentators had claimed he may have taken his own life and that this might have been the result of bullying from Muslim inmates.

From https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/24/extremist-left-bacon-mosque-died-prison-drug-overdose-7573478/

I hope they will do a decent job at protecting him from that mob.

Surely the other guy wasn’t in jail simply for throwing a bacon sarnie at a mosque - that would be tantamount to them sentencing the guy to death putting him with Muslim terrorists for such a minor offence.

He had a previous conviction - see the link above - which I guess contributed to the sentence?


Edit: Here's another article, with more detail.


The judge who jailed Crehan said he was taking into account his past history of convictions for mainly football-related violence in the sentence given.....

.....Since Crehan’s death inside Bristol Prison a year ago, conspiracy theories have grown on the internet with speculation surrounding the circumstances of his death increasing as time has gone on, with no definitive word from the authorities.

In the days following Crehan’s death, the police said they were not treating it as suspicious, and a file was passed to the coroner.

But by March this year, Avon Coroner’s Court told the Post the cause of death had still not been ascertained and those investigating were still waiting for the results of a full post-mortem.....

.....Now, the Prison and Probation Ombudsman has confirmed to the Bristol Post an initial report has now been conducted into Crehan’s death, and had been passed to the coroner.

It will then be up to the Avon Coroner to distribute this to the ‘interested parties’ involved in the inquest, which would normally include the Home Office, Bristol Prison and the family.

The Post understands a preliminary hearing is being scheduled for early next year, which will set the terms of reference and details of witnesses for a full inquest hearing at the Flax Bourton coroner’s court, probably in May or June next year.

A spokesperson for Avon Coroners Court said: “I can confirm that no date has been set for the inquest of Kevin Crehan. A pre-inquest review will be listed during the early part of next year.”

The inquest, when it does take place, will be open to the public and a spokesperson for the PPO said its full report would be published only after it is provided as evidence in that inquest.


From https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/first-official-report-death-kevin-953238

[Oliver_W]

For believing that it's a good thing for a known violent thug who has violated his parole conditions to be taken off the streets? He isn't above the law and he knew the conditions of his parole. He chose to break them, probably believing that his minor celebrity and social media following would somehow protect him. He was incorrect.

Like I said, sometimes his goals are understandable and dare I say it, well-meaning, but supporting an aggressive extremist - as that's exactly what he is - will never be the right way of doing it.

What aggression or violence was he carrying out at the time?

[Parmy]

Yes that was his big error


He could have had someone else Film it.

So his breaching the peace
is because he is on this Suspended Sentence.

No..i think he breached the peace thus breaking his suspended sentence...he then has to serve whatever the sentence was for originally

[arista]

No..i think he breached the peace thus breaking his suspended sentence...he then has to serve whatever the sentence was for originally

Yes correct Mr.P

[user104658]

What aggression or violence was he carrying out at the time?I wasn't implying that he was, he was arrested in this case for violating the terms of his parole :shrug:. And that I don't really understand why people are adamant that he shouldn't have been, and that I have little sympathy for him, on the basis that he's a thug who is doing nothing at all to help these issues no matter how much he would like to believe that he is.

At the very LEAST, he knew fine well that he was at risk of violating his terms of parole, and he chose to do so. Perhaps believing that nothing would come of it, perhaps not caring. Either way, his situation is entirely of his own making.

[arista]

"he was arrested in this case for violating the terms of his parole"

Yes TS
he was stupid trying to film on his phone
he has a Lawyer, that could have told him not to do that.

[Oliver_W]

Did the terms of his parole say "no selfie live streams"? I'm more concerned with child rape gangs than I am some twerp making a video, and it's rather stupid that he was arrested for trying to bring attention to the former.

[arista]

Did the terms of his parole say "no selfie live streams"? I'm more concerned with child rape gangs than I am some twerp making a video, and it's rather stupid that he was arrested for trying to bring attention to the former.


He Filmed with his phone
outside of a Court , I think.

It was stupid
someone else should have filmed it for him.

[user104658]

They're notDid the terms of his parole say "no selfie live streams"? I'm more concerned with child rape gangs than I am some twerp making a video, and it's rather stupid that he was arrested for trying to bring attention to the former.They're not mutually exclusive... Being concerned about child grooming gangs doesn't mean you can't also be concerned about people like Tommy Robinson deliberately riling up hate mobs and creating g more problems than he solves. "I were just tryna get dem paedos guvna!" doesn't make him above the law. He was on parole, he violated it knowingly, he was arrested... It's as simple as that. If he wasn't, that would be a big green "go" sign to any and all other "have-a-go heroes" that's its fine.

[Oliver_W]

They're notThey're not mutually exclusive... Being concerned about child grooming gangs doesn't mean you can't also be concerned about people like Tommy Robinson deliberately riling up hate mobs and creating g more problems than he solves. "I were just tryna get dem paedos guvna!" doesn't make him above the law. He was on parole, he violated it knowingly, he was arrested... It's as simple as that. If he wasn't, that would be a big green "go" sign to any and all other "have-a-go heroes" that's its fine.

Which terms of his parole do you think he violated?

[chuff me dizzy]

You don't deserve to live in a free country, with that attitude.

:clap1:

[user104658]

Which terms of his parole do you think he violated?Are you suggesting that the answer is "none" and he really is "innocent guv" and has been silenced in some sort of KGB style strike? :joker:

[Oliver_W]

Are you suggesting that the answer is "none" and he really is "innocent guv" and has been silenced in some sort of KGB style strike? :joker:

When all he ostensibly doing was making a video, I'm just wondering which terms of his parole he violated.

[arista]

Disturbing the peace

that was the charge

[Tom4784]

I don't think the government's bending over backwards to falsely incarcerate a violent extremist chav that is known to be a compulsive liar. When it comes to this twat, it's always everyone else's fault but his own and this is no exception.

You'll get no end of people and right wing organisations who will jump to his defence despite the truth telling a different story to the one they'd prefer because the truth and facts only matter when it suits them.

[arista]

Better 2nd post from Dezzy

[Denver]

He is a rotten scumbag

[arista]

He is a rotten scumbag


Sure
you can say that.

[Parmy]

I don't think the government's bending over backwards to falsely incarcerate a violent extremist chav that is known to be a compulsive liar. When it comes to this twat, it's always everyone else's fault but his own and this is no exception.

You'll get no end of people and right wing organisations who will jump to his defence despite the truth telling a different story to the one they'd prefer because the truth and facts only matter when it suits them.

By all means lock him up, but keep a level playing field.

[Tom4784]

By all means lock him up, but keep a level playing field.

I've no reason to believe there isn't a level playing field, it;s just him trying to make out he is the victim once again.

[Parmy]

I've no reason to believe there isn't a level playing field, it;s just him trying to make out he is the victim once again.

Why would i want a victim locked up dezzy?

[bots]

The guy is a complete knob head that has had a sinister and hateful agenda for years. Can people not see that he has attempted more manipulation and been stopped in his tracks. All the bs about him dying in prison is quite laughable given all the hate he has been personally inciting

[Firewire]

Don't care, hang him!

[thesheriff443]

I don't think the government's bending over backwards to falsely incarcerate a violent extremist chav that is known to be a compulsive liar. When it comes to this twat, it's always everyone else's fault but his own and this is no exception.

You'll get no end of people and right wing organisations who will jump to his defence despite the truth telling a different story to the one they'd prefer because the truth and facts only matter when it suits them.

So it's all lies about Muslim sex gangs raping girls for years and that the government and police have know about it.

He may be a knob to many but its the government and police that have let girls be raped and abused and ignored it in the name of not being racists.

[user104658]

So it's all lies about Muslim sex gangs raping girls for years and that the government and police have know about it.

He may be a knob to many but its the government and police that have let girls be raped and abused and ignored it in the name of not being racists.Like I said the two are unrelated. You don't have to support a ridiculous twitter "hardman" like Tommy Robinson in order to be concerned about child grooming gangs.

[GiRTh]

I remember an interview he did with Piers morgan where pretty much out of the blue Robinson accused morgan of being hostile due to Robinsons working class roots. That told me this tw&t will say, or do, anything to be seen as a victim. The sad thing is he wasn't really losing the debate, so going to his working class background was astonishingly desperate.

He commited a crime by violating his parole and the police took the appropriate action. There is nothing more to discuss.

[Withano]

If he doesn’t like our traditional British laws, he should leave the country... after serving his sentence of course. :hee:

[Twosugars]

Like I said the two are unrelated. You don't have to support a ridiculous twitter "hardman" like Tommy Robinson in order to be concerned about child grooming gangs.

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

So it's all lies about Muslim sex gangs raping girls for years and that the government and police have know about it.

He may be a knob to many but its the government and police that have let girls be raped and abused and ignored it in the name of not being racists.

Apples and oranges.

Tommy Robinson is not the only person speaking out about child abuse and, in fact, he has only jumped on that cause so he can push his racist agenda. There are people far more qualified and who actually care about preventing child abuse and seeking justice for it's victims then this wankstain of a man. He is a chavvy thug and nothing else.

The only cause Robinson truly cares about is his own. Remember that set up video when he made out he was attacked by a group of thugs that just so happened to wait in line for him to fight them 1v1 like they were in a Bruce Lee film? :laugh: He's a pathetic liar and no one should give him the time of day.

[thesheriff443]

Apples and oranges.

Tommy Robinson is not the only person speaking out about child abuse and, in fact, he has only jumped on that cause so he can push his racist agenda. There are people far more qualified and who actually care about preventing child abuse and seeking justice for it's victims then this wankstain of a man. He is a chavvy thug and nothing else.

The only cause Robinson truly cares about is his own. Remember that set up video when he made out he was attacked by a group of thugs that just so happened to wait in line for him to fight them 1v1 like they were in a Bruce Lee film? :laugh: He's a pathetic liar and no one should give him the time of day.

He gets the time of day because he speaks the truth and despite him being a nob i don't hear anyone else standing there and telling people how it is,

Where have all these better qaulifed people been in the years that young vunerable girls have been abused and raped?, kept in the dark by lies.

Mandela was a terrorist who even behind bars gave his blessings for murder.

[thesheriff443]

I'm no way anti Muslim, but it's not hate to want truth and justic for all and name and shame those responsible and the people that knew it was happening.

[user104658]

I'm no way anti Muslim, but it's not hate to want truth and justic for all and name and shame those responsible and the people that knew it was happening.

And the best way to do that, obviously, is to have facebook thugs mouth off and beat their chests about it.

[Brillopad]

Apples and oranges.

Tommy Robinson is not the only person speaking out about child abuse and, in fact, he has only jumped on that cause so he can push his racist agenda. There are people far more qualified and who actually care about preventing child abuse and seeking justice for it's victims then this wankstain of a man. He is a chavvy thug and nothing else.

The only cause Robinson truly cares about is his own. Remember that set up video when he made out he was attacked by a group of thugs that just so happened to wait in line for him to fight them 1v1 like they were in a Bruce Lee film? :laugh: He's a pathetic liar and no one should give him the time of day.

He gets the time of day because he speaks the truth and despite him being a nob i don't hear anyone else standing there and telling people how it is,

Where have all these better qaulifed people been in the years that young vunerable girls have been abused and raped?, kept in the dark by lies.

Mandela was a terrorist who even behind bars gave his blessings for murder.

The left and the powers that be hope that keeping a low profile on this means the public won’t notice how big an issue it is as they don’t want anything to interfere with their idealistic PC rhetoric.

Sweep something under the carpet for long enough then the problem will go away - except it won’t! These sort of attitudes towards females are ingrained and run very deep. Anyone that draws attention to it, whatever their motives, is doing their job for them and putting them to shame.

[Brillopad]

And the best way to do that, obviously, is to have facebook thugs mouth off and beat their chests about it.

What else is being done and by whom? Meanwhile more and more vulnerable young girls are having their lives ruined by these scum.

[Cherie]

So trial are going on but are not being reported makes you wonder exactly how many Rochdale are there

[kirklancaster]

The left and the powers that be hope that keeping a low profile on this means the public won’t notice how big an issue it is as they don’t want anything to interfere with their idealistic PC rhetoric.

Sweep something under the carpet for long enough then the problem will go away - except it won’t! These sort of attitudes towards females are ingrained and run very deep. Anyone that draws attention to it, whatever their motives, is doing their job for them and putting them to shame.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: This country's handling of these Nationwide 'Grooming' crimes is shameful and is yet just more confirmation - to any impartial citizen - of just how decades of sinister 'conditioning' by subversive organisations under the sanitized term; 'Political Correctness' has increasingly rendered successive Governments weaker and more afraid to actually govern.

[Withano]

Somebody posted the official summary to this thread

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33745337_1925296034196126_4829856480024854528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=1b01feff05c961e280bc8c49562b976b&oe=5B8707C1

[Kazanne]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: This country's handling of these Nationwide 'Grooming' crimes is shameful and is yet just more confirmation - to any impartial citizen - of just how decades of sinister 'conditioning' by subversive organisations under the sanitized term; 'Political Correctness' has increasingly rendered successive Governments weaker and more afraid to actually govern.

Yes,I am more concerned over these kids ,surely it's good someone is outing the scumbags who are the lowest of the low,I don't know much about this guy in question,but to be imprisoned for being outspoken is harsh,these girls are too scared to speak up so surely someone has to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Somebody posted the official summary to this thread

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33745337_1925296034196126_4829856480024854528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=1b01feff05c961e280bc8c49562b976b&oe=5B8707C1

I see you are a fan of law an order today

i guess if there was some random video posted that shows a policeman allegedly doing something wrong then that day you would not be


love it :joker:

[Parmy]

The year after the mabchester arena bombing racial attacks in manchester have rocketed....

Why?

Maybe the manchesters mayors emmotive speeches at the time spurned people into action.

[Kazanne]

Somebody posted the official summary to this thread

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33745337_1925296034196126_4829856480024854528_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=1b01feff05c961e280bc8c49562b976b&oe=5B8707C1

He sounds like the sort of person who keeps freeing people like Jon Venables to commit more crimes,the world is full of them. Let just forget the victim Eh?

[Withano]

I see you are a fan of law an order today

i guess if there was some random video posted that shows a policeman allegedly doing something wrong then that day you would not be


love it :joker:

Are you not a fan of law and order? Why would I, or anybody else, be a fan of a policeman doing something wrong?

I’m not sure if either one of us understand what you’re saying tbh.

[Withano]

He sounds like the sort of person who keeps freeing people like Jon Venables to commit more crimes,the world is full of them. Let just forget the victim Eh?

Your thread was never about the victims. This was the summary to the thread you created.

...on a separate note, lets not forget about the victims, but also, lets not make the face of their ordeal some mindless chav and an angry mob... The exposure that the right give Robinson is incredibly detrimental to the cause.

[Parmy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hundreds-of-farright-protesters-descend-on-whitehall-after-tommy-robinson-arrested-for-breaching-the-a3849046.html%3famp

[user104658]

I see you are a fan of law an order today

i guess if there was some random video posted that shows a policeman allegedly doing something wrong then that day you would not be


love it :joker:One could flip that right on its head LT, and ask why you're always so fully in support of the police in the US whenever there's an incident, and yet when the police uphold the law in the UK by arresting who has violated their parole terms, its "a disgrace". And you'd accuse others of double standards? :idc:

[Niamh.]

One could flip that right on its head LT, and ask why you're always so fully in support of the police in the US whenever there's an incident, and yet when the police uphold the law in the UK by arresting who has violated their parole terms, its "a disgrace". And you'd accuse others of double standards? :idc:

Oh Touché :hehe:

[lime]

Yes,I am more concerned over these kids ,surely it's good someone is outing the scumbags who are the lowest of the low,I don't know much about this guy in question,but to be imprisoned for being outspoken is harsh,these girls are too scared to speak up so surely someone has to.

That's the issue Kazanne ...If This guy was concerned over these victims...He cared because they were muslims...If he cared we wouldn't have made that thses wee ones didn't get a fair trial..(filming those accused without conviction could have easily seen the trial dismissed) He is absoulte scum to steal these victims time to try to suit his own agenda

[Cherie]

That's the issue Kazanne ...If This guy was concerned over these victims...He cared because they were muslims...If he cared we wouldn't have made that thses wee ones didn't get a fair trial..(filming those accused without conviction could have easily seen the trial dismissed) He is absoulte scum to steal these victims time to try to suit his own agenda

good point Lime

[Niamh.]

What is the problem with everyones quoting skills today? :fist:

[Cherie]

What is the problem with everyones quoting skills today? :fist:

:hmph: its a domino effect

[Tom4784]

I see you are a fan of law an order today

i guess if there was some random video posted that shows a policeman allegedly doing something wrong then that day you would not be


love it :joker:

Not being okay with racially motivated police brutality is being opposed to the law in your eyes?

[Tom4784]

He sounds like the sort of person who keeps freeing people like Jon Venables to commit more crimes,the world is full of them. Let just forget the victim Eh?

Wow, that's quite a sick thing to say, Kazanne.

'He opposes someone I like so he must support peadophile child killers!'

[kirklancaster]

:hmph: its a domino effect

:laugh:

[Tom4784]

He gets the time of day because he speaks the truth and despite him being a nob i don't hear anyone else standing there and telling people how it is,

Where have all these better qaulifed people been in the years that young vunerable girls have been abused and raped?, kept in the dark by lies.

Mandela was a terrorist who even behind bars gave his blessings for murder.

He gets the time of day because he tells certain people what they want to hear.

You act like he's some sort of hero preventing these crimes but what in the everloving **** has he actually done? Nothing. He's a commentator that has no interest in actually solving problems because he benefits from incidents like this so he can beat his chest and play the hero to gullible people who don't know what his game is.

There are plenty of people 'telling it how it is' but given that the people who tend to support Tommy Robinson have a tendency to only listen to what they want to hear, they won't pay attention.

What the **** does Nelson Mandela have to do with anything?

[Kazanne]

Wow, that's quite a sick thing to say, Kazanne.

'He opposes someone I like so he must support peadophile child killers!'

I never ever said I liked him:shrug: I said I didn't know much about him,but I am willing to learn,but I still think the kids are paramount and if anything helps with outing the scumbags who do this type of thing,that's ok with me,, so I will carry on being 'sick'.:smug:

[Brillopad]

He gets the time of day because he tells certain people what they want to hear.

You act like he's some sort of hero preventing these crimes but what in the everloving **** has he actually done? Nothing. He's a commentator that has no interest in actually solving problems because he benefits from incidents like this so he can beat his chest and play the hero to gullible people who don't know what his game is.

There are plenty of people 'telling it how it is' but given that the people who tend to support Tommy Robinson have a tendency to only listen to what they want to hear, they won't pay attention.

What the **** does Nelson Mandela have to do with anything?

Who are these people ‘telling it how it is’ - or perhaps that is just you hearing what you want to hear!

[Kizzy]

I'm worried.. for the first time I'm feeling the need to defend this man.

It is important we hear about these cases, I'm saddened and sickened by the early release of rapists and sex offenders which has happened rather frequently recently... maybe he's stumbled on something, it may not be just a cultural issue for one demographic.

[Cherie]

I'm worried.. for the first time I'm feeling the need to defend this man.

It is important we hear about these cases, I'm saddened and sickened by the early release of rapists and sex offenders which has happened rather frequently recently... maybe he's stumbled on something, it may not be just a cultural issue for one demographic.

:clap2: none of these trials are being reported on, why is that?

[kirklancaster]

:clap2: none of these trials are being reported on, why is that?

It's part of the new vocabulary on here; a complete OFFICIAL 'blanket' over ANY kind of reportage translates in to: 'There are plenty of people 'telling it how it is'.

[Brillopad]

It's part of the new vocabulary on here; a complete OFFICIAL 'blanket' over ANY kind of reportage translates in to: 'There are plenty of people 'telling it how it is'.

Indeed!

[Denver]

Maybe they are being kept quiet because of incidents like this? Many people feel the need to take the law into their own hands

[Kizzy]

:clap2: none of these trials are being reported on, why is that?

Well this is it, I don't know, and that's what's worrying... If it's through the misguided pandering to 'community cohesion' again that's not acceptable to me.
funneling anyone raising awareness into jail is more than a little alarming.

[kirklancaster]

Well this is it, I don't know, and that's what's worrying... If it's through the misguided pandering to 'community cohesion' again that's not acceptable to me.
funneling anyone raising awareness into jail is more than a little alarming.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Brillopad]

Well this is it, I don't know, and that's what's worrying... If it's through the misguided pandering to 'community cohesion' again that's not acceptable to me.
funneling anyone raising awareness into jail is more than a little alarming.

IT is very worrying - demonstrating political bias in our legal system - he is being made an example of for daring to draw attention to an issue the left don’t want to either acknowledge and/or have the majority made aware of.

[Tom4784]

Who are these people ‘telling it how it is’ - or perhaps that is just you hearing what you want to hear!

If you look, you'll see. Not everybody wants to jump on child abuse to promote themselves as a 'well 'ard' man like Tommy Robinson does. There are plenty of voices out there that want to prevent situations like Rochdale from happening again without giving into hate.

There's plenty of people speaking out about child abuse, do you think Tommy ****ing Robinson is the only one? He has absolutely no intention of doing anything to help the situation, he is only interested in self promotion through staged videos and people eat that **** up because he tells people what they want to hear.

He is a violent chav who broke the law and now, as always, he's blaming everyone but himself because he is a manchild with a victim complex.

[Kizzy]

IT is very worrying - demonstrating political bias in our legal system - he is being made an example of for daring to draw attention to an issue the left don’t want to either acknowledge and/or have the majority made aware of.

Why are you wittering about the left...I AM the left :/

This is an establishment issue.

[bots]

:clap2: none of these trials are being reported on, why is that?

there could be lots of reasons. The most logical is that there is an investigation ongoing that they don't want messed up or compromised.

I have no problem with people bring attention to cases of abuse but Robinson is hardly a man known for doing his best for society is he.

99.9999% of the UK population are against abuse, so what makes this guy special other than the fact that he is a racist bigot?

[kirklancaster]

Why are you wittering about the left...I AM the left :/

This is an establishment issue.

:laugh:

[Alf]

Why are you wittering about the left...I AM the left :/

This is an establishment issue.I thought you'd taken the Red pill Kizzy. I was just about to welcome you to the dark side.

[Kizzy]

Never. :)

[Brillopad]

If you look, you'll see. Not everybody wants to jump on child abuse to promote themselves as a 'well 'ard' man like Tommy Robinson does. There are plenty of voices out there that want to prevent situations like Rochdale from happening again without giving into hate.

There's plenty of people speaking out about child abuse, do you think Tommy ****ing Robinson is the only one? He has absolutely no intention of doing anything to help the situation, he is only interested in self promotion through staged videos and people eat that **** up because he tells people what they want to hear.

He is a violent chav who broke the law and now, as always, he's blaming everyone but himself because he is a manchild with a victim complex.

All just your perspective based on you hearing what you want to hear - and is no different to those you level that allegation at. People generally support opinions they AGREE with and trying to twist that by stating people that do not hear what you hear are simply hearing what they want to hear is ridiculous as exactly the same can be said of you and others on the left. If you look - you will see!

[Brillopad]

I thought you'd taken the Red pill Kizzy. I was just about to welcome you to the dark side.

Is not the Red the dark side! Judging by much of what has happened in recent years clearly many think it is.

[Brillopad]

Why are you wittering about the left...I AM the left :/

This is an establishment issue.

But you not one of that club supporting such a cover-up are you!

[kirklancaster]

All just your perspective based on you hearing what you want to hear - and is no different to those you level that allegation at. People generally support opinions they AGREE with and trying to twist that by stating people are simply hearing what they want to hear is ridiculous as exactly the same can be said of you and others on the left.

You are so correct, Brillo.

Only certain animals and the mythical Superman can hear what is not audible to the human ear.

None of us can hear anything about these paedophile gangs or their trials because NO ONE is being allowed to report it - and THAT is the REAL reason that Robinson has been jailed on a 'trumped-up' charge because he WAS trying to report on these all important issues and the AUTHORITIES needed to gag him.

He IS a vile scumbag and he may well have had ulterior motives for doing so but his 'VOICE' was the only one being raised in these matters and when the message is true AND important to hear, then it does not matter one flying **** who or what the messenger is.

I have tried arguing this very point about certain articles that convey important and true facts but yet which have been disingenuously derided and dismissed on here by certain members just because the said articles have come from The Daily Mail or some other perceived Right-Wing newspaper.

If it is the TRUTH and FACTS which are being heralded and the public has a 'Right To Know', then it does not matter who is delivering those facts and that truth.

Especially when EVERY other source is complying with an OFFICIAL silence order and cover-up.

In my opinion.

[Brillopad]

You are so correct, Brillo.

Only certain animals and the mythical Superman can hear what is not audible to the human ear.

None of us can hear anything about these paedophile gangs or their trials because NO ONE is being allowed to report it - and THAT is the REAL reason that Robinson has been jailed on a 'trumped-up' charge because he WAS trying to report on these all important issues and the AUTHORITIES needed to gag him.

He IS a vile scumbag and he may well have had ulterior motives for doing so but his 'VOICE' was the only one being raised in these matters and when the message is true AND important to hear, then it does not matter one flying **** who or what the messenger is.

I have tried arguing this very point about certain articles that convey important and true facts but yet which have been disingenuously derided and dismissed on here by certain members just because the said articles have come from The Daily Mail or some other perceived Right-Wing newspaper.

If it is the TRUTH and FACTS which are being heralded and the public has a 'Right To Know', then it does not matter who is delivering those facts and that truth.

Especially when EVERY other source is complying with an OFFICIAL silence order and cover-up.

In my opinion.

I don’t really care about his motives other than the issue was being put out there and getting talked about - as you say a voice. It needed a voice as no one else was providing one.

I hope his lawyer is appealing the sentence as it sounds to me that it is appeallable - and PC does not succeed once again to silence voices they don’t want to hear. It is a subject that everyone should be discussing and ALL opinions should be heard.

[Withano]

I don’t really care about his motives other than the issue was being put out there and getting talked about - as you say a voice. It needed a voice as no one else was providing one.

Does it need the voice of an angry mob?

Do you honestly think any of the Rochdale victims are honestly thinking ‘I wish the face of my trial was some chavvy criminal and his angry following’ instead of the wonderful Maggie Oliver and co.

He does more harm than good, as does his following. These victims are not an agenda to push, they are vulnerable real people who needs a hell of a lot more respect than Robinson and his fans have ever began to dream of giving.

[Denver]

I wonder if he will speak out against Muslims inside? Probably sat in the corner as we speak with skids in his panties

[Cherie]

there could be lots of reasons. The most logical is that there is an investigation ongoing that they don't want messed up or compromised.

I have no problem with people bring attention to cases of abuse but Robinson is hardly a man known for doing his best for society is he.

99.9999% of the UK population are against abuse, so what makes this guy special other than the fact that he is a racist bigot?

I don’t mean just during the trial but afterwards as well, given how big Rochdale was it’s strange we hear practically nothing

[Kizzy]

But you not one of that club supporting such a cover-up are you!

What 'club' just stop with the silly accusations and generalisations fgs.

I'm in a club that condones covering abuse?... give your damn head a wobble!

[Kazanne]

I don’t mean just during the trial but afterwards as well, given how big Rochdale was it’s strange we hear practically nothing

It's a massive problem in Telford too and as I live pretty close to there and have a teenage daughter it is of great importance to me that the pervs who do this sort of thing,need outing and punishing, I work at a school that has kids from these sorts of backgrounds and believe you me many lives are ruined.The public need to know what is going on and by whom.

[kirklancaster]

It's a massive problem in Telford too and as I live pretty close to there and have a teenage daughter it is of great importance to me that the pervs who do this sort of thing,need outing and punishing, I work at a school that has kids from these sorts of backgrounds and believe you me many lives are ruined.The public need to know what is going on and by whom.

Well said, Kaz.

[Jake.]

Robinson does what Robinson does best: Makes it all about him. Now he has the far-right up in arms instead of the focus being on what it should always have been on. The “man” is a disgrace.

[kirklancaster]

Robinson does what Robinson does best: Makes it all about him. Now he has the far-right up in arms instead of the focus being on what it should always have been on. The “man” is a disgrace.

No arguments from me that the guy is anything other than a vile racist and worse or that he may have his own motives for doing what he did, my argument is more about the REAL motive of the Authorities for arresting him, and that was to silence him.

[Withano]

, my argument is more about the REAL motive of the Authorities for arresting him, and that was to silence him.

It's just so convenient that he was committing contempt of court at the exact same time as his arrest. We see right through you, authorities! Waiting to arrest him until he broke the law! Who you tryna fool. We know this has nothing to do with the law really! Am I right Kirk.

[kirklancaster]

It's just so convenient that he was committing contempt of court at the exact same time as his arrest. We see right through you, authorities! Waiting to arrest him until he broke the law! Who you tryna fool. We know this has nothing to do with the law really! Am I right Kirk.

I am a bit confused, Withano about what you mean.

What I am saying is that; Did what Robinson was actually doing constitute a 'Breach of The Peace'?

If so, how did it?

Was he violently shouting? Vocally inciting others to violent acts? Causing an affray? Disrupting pedestrians/motorists? Forcibly preventing others from going about their legitimate business?

What I am saying, is that in my opinion, the charge against Robinson was a convenience - one which removed him from THAT particular location and stopped him filming and broadcasting THOSE particular events.

What I am further saying - in my opinion - is that his arrest is part of the Authorities policy of suppressing any news of these trials because of P.C. pressure.

You know, Withano - the very same Authorities who TOLERATED a stream of repeated UNLAWFUL acts by Islamic Extremist 'Hate Preachers' from Anjem Choudary to Abu Hamza - for the LONGEST time.

[Withano]

I am a bit confused, Withano about what you mean.

What I am saying is that; Did what Robinson was actually doing constitute a 'Breach of The Peace'?

If so, how did it?

Was he violently shouting? Vocally inciting others to violent acts? Causing an affray? Disrupting pedestrians/motorists? Forcibly preventing others from going about their legitimate business?

What I am saying, is that in my opinion, the charge against Robinson was a convenience - one which removed him from THAT particular location and stopped him filming and broadcasting THOSE particular events.

What I am further saying - in my opinion - is that his arrest is part of the Authorities policy of suppressing any news of these trials because of P.C. pressure.

You know, Withano - the very same Authorities who TOLERATED a stream of repeated UNLAWFUL acts by Islamic Extremist 'Hate Preachers' from Anjem Choudary to Abu Hamza - for the LONGEST time.

Well, if the livestream wasn't suspiciously deleted, you could have seen for yourself.
It was, in every way imaginable, contempt of court. 'Breaching the peace' is a bit meaningless to me, but I suppose if hundreds of people came to the court as a result of his livestream, then sure.
If you break the law, Kirk, this is what happens. It isn't exclusive to Tommy Robinson.
I don't think this has much to do with political correctness, unless you're willing to state that the majority of the country want some chavvy criminal vigilante and an angry mob dealing with sensitive issues. People not wanting him around is just popular opinion, not 'PC gone mad'

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a massive problem in Telford too and as I live pretty close to there and have a teenage daughter it is of great importance to me that the pervs who do this sort of thing,need outing and punishing, I work at a school that has kids from these sorts of backgrounds and believe you me many lives are ruined.The public need to know what is going on and by whom.

:clap1:

[Livia]

Well, if the livestream wasn't suspiciously deleted, you could have seen for yourself.
It was, in every way imaginable, contempt of court. 'Breaching the peace' is a bit meaningless to me, but I suppose if hundreds of people came to the court as a result of his livestream, then sure.
If you break the law, Kirk, this is what happens. It isn't exclusive to Tommy Robinson.
I don't think this has much to do with political correctness, unless you're willing to state that the majority of the country want some chavvy criminal vigilante and an angry mob dealing with sensitive issues. People not wanting him around is just popular opinion, not 'PC gone mad'

I'm impressed that you can come to a 'contempt of court' conclusion from the information available. I couldn't do that and I've been working in the law for years...

Next time some hate preachers are burning poppies on Remembrance Sunday let's hope the police deem that worthy of a breach of the peace. Because it's inconsistencies like that that make people angry.

[kirklancaster]

Well, if the livestream wasn't suspiciously deleted, you could have seen for yourself.
It was, in every way imaginable, contempt of court. 'Breaching the peace' is a bit meaningless to me, but I suppose if hundreds of people came to the court as a result of his livestream, then sure.
If you break the law, Kirk, this is what happens. It isn't exclusive to Tommy Robinson.
I don't think this has much to do with political correctness, unless you're willing to state that the majority of the country want some chavvy criminal vigilante and an angry mob dealing with sensitive issues. People not wanting him around is just popular opinion, not 'PC gone mad'

Is this the same 'law' that Choudary and Hamza and others repeatedly BROKE for years without recrimination - You mean THAT law?

[Withano]

I'm impressed that you can come to a 'contempt of court' conclusion from the information available. I couldn't do that and I've been working in the law for years...

Next time some hate preachers are burning poppies on Remembrance Sunday let's hope the police deem that worthy of a breach of the peace. Because it's inconsistencies like that that make people angry.

The livestream wasn't removed until Saturday night. I'm sure you can find it online still if you look hard enough.

[kirklancaster]

The livestream wasn't removed until Saturday night. I'm sure you can find it online still if you look hard enough.

Deft footwork there, Withano the way you swerved answering Livia's points.

[Oliver_W]

Maybe they are being kept quiet because of incidents like this? Many people feel the need to take the law into their own hands

What incident are you referring to - some gimp doing a livestream? How is that an example of "taking the law into their own hands" ?

[Withano]

Deft footwork there, Withano the way you swerved answering Livia's points.

Her first paragraph was a sarcy comment which doesn't hold up too well with my response. I agree with her second paragraph. Let's not try to score weird points Kirk. This isn't a game.

[Livia]

The livestream wasn't removed until Saturday night. I'm sure you can find it online still if you look hard enough.

And then I can make a solid legal judgement of contempt of court? From a livestream?

[Withano]

And then I can make a solid legal judgement of contempt of court? From a livestream?

Give it a go.

[Livia]

Give it a go.

I'm a lawyer, Withano. It's not how it works.

[Withano]

I'm a lawyer, Withano. It's not how it works.

Well you can continue making sarcy comments, or you can choose to contribute.

You're kind of just saying 'I haven't bothered with the information but I have a monopoly on this because I'm me'

Not impressed.

[kirklancaster]

Her first paragraph was a sarcy comment which doesn't hold up too well with my response. I agree with her second paragraph. Let's not try to score weird points Kirk. This isn't a game.

I'm not point scoring, Withano so stop being disingenuous in trying to make out that I am.

I am making a valid comment that you responded to a post without addressing the points raised in it.

And if you "agree with her second paragraph" then how is it that you have criticised my post because Liv and I are saying the same thing? :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

Well you can continue making sarcy comments, or you can choose to contribute.

You're kind of just saying 'I haven't bothered with the information but I have a monopoly on this because I'm me'

Not impressed.

Misrepresentation. Deflection. Creating a diversionary smokescreen to enable a quick exit to be found out of a discussion which has raised questions you have no relevant answers to and which makes statements of fact which destroys your argument but which you can not contest.

[Withano]

I'm not point scoring, Withano so stop being disingenuous in trying to make out that I am.

I am making a valid comment that you responded to a post without addressing the points raised in it.

And if you "agree with her second paragraph" then how is it that you have criticised my post because Liv and I are saying the same thing? :shrug:

Your point seems to be Tommy shouldnt have been arrested because x, y, and z but these people should have been arrested because x, y and z

Me and livia agree that if tommy was arrested for x, then other people should be arrested for x?

They should either all be arrested or none of them should? You seem to be fencehopping based on whether theyre tommy or not.

[kirklancaster]

Your point seems to be Tommy shouldnt have been arrested because x, y, and z but these people should have been arrested because x, y and z

Me and livia agree that if tommy was arrested for x, then other people should be arrested for x?

They should either all be arrested or none of them should? You seem to be fencehopping based on whether theyre tommy or not.

:laugh: WHAT?? :conf:

[Withano]

Misrepresentation. Deflection. Creating a diversionary smokescreen to enable a quick exit to be found out of a discussion which has raised questions you have no relevant answers to and which makes statements of fact which destroys your argument but which you can not contest.

‘I’m a Lawyer’ isn’t an argument kirk. Even Livia knows that deep down. Not everything everybody says needs commenting on. Some things are silly and can be bypassed.

[Withano]

:laugh: WHAT?? :conf:



And if you "agree with her second paragraph" then how is it that you have criticised my post because Liv and I are saying the same thing? :shrug:

I didnt think you and livia were on the same lines at all.

[Livia]

Well you can continue making sarcy comments, or you can choose to contribute.

You're kind of just saying 'I haven't bothered with the information but I have a monopoly on this because I'm me'

Not impressed.

Hang on... you said it was a clear case of contempt of court? I questioned you.... that isn't a sarky comment. It was a challenge. Because you were wrong.

[Withano]

Hang on... you said it was a clear case of contempt of court? I questioned you.... that isn't a sarky comment. It was a challenge. Because you were wrong.

How would you know? You haven’t seen the livestream. How would we go about discussing that in a mutual way. This conversation cant go any further without a bit of effort on your end.

[Livia]

‘I’m a Lawyer’ isn’t an argument kirk. Even Livia knows that deep down. Not everything everybody says needs commenting on. Some things are silly and can be bypassed.



It was an answer to your imagined knowledge of the law when you made a hugely inaccurate statement. Since then you've wriggled and twisted and tried to make it something else... and failed. Let it go now.

[Livia]

How would you know? You haven’t seen the livestream. How would we go about discussing that in a mutual way. This conversation cant go any further without a bit of effort on your end.

How would YOU know? from a livestream?

I've put in my effort thank you. Four years of study, lots of experience and a belief that neither someone who is not qualified in law - that's you - nor someone who is - that's me - can make a claim of ANY kind of charge from watching a livestream.

[Withano]

It was an answer to your imagined knowledge of the law when you made a hugely inaccurate statement. Since then you've wriggled and twisted and tried to make it something else... and failed. Let it go now.

You dont have a monopoly on all things regarding the law, Livia. Even if you did, you’d be asking us to put a higher trust in you than the juror, and i’m sorry to deflate your ego, but...
If you want to comment on things regarding law, then it is expected that you get clued up on the case... “I’m a lawyer” isn't a way to autowin every law-case you find on the internet. Sorry. You’re still expected to put the effort in.

[Withano]

“Four years of study” isnt an autowin either.

[user104658]

I've put in my effort thank you. Four years of study, lots of experience and a belief that neither someone who is not qualified in law - that's you - nor someone who is - that's me - can make a claim of ANY kind of charge from watching a livestream.

Indeed, which is why we should accept that the people who arrested him, and those who charged him in the first place (as it keeps being overlooked across the media that he was on parole, it's not that he's been "locked up for reporting from a courthouse") ARE in possession of facts that Robinson supporters are not and DO have good and valid reasons for locking him up, rather than it being some sort of government conspiracy / KGB style ambush where he was bundled into the back of a van for daring to speak out against Muslims. Which is just clearly nonsense.

[Livia]

You dont have a monopoly on all things regarding the law, Livia. Even if you did, you’d be asking us to put a higher trust in you than the juror, and i’m sorry to deflate your ego, but...
If you want to comment on things regarding law, then it is expected that you get clued up on the case... “I’m a lawyer” isn't a way to autowin every law-case you find on the internet. Sorry. You’re still expected to put the effort in.

LOL...

I never said I have a monopoly on anything. And making rude comments about my ego purely because I spoke about what I know - and you don't - doesn't give you leave to take the piss.

When you finally leave school, you can speak with authority on whatever it is you've been studying for the last twenty-odd years. and I promise not to accuse YOU have having an over inflated ego.

[kirklancaster]

Well you can continue making sarcy comments, or you can choose to contribute.

You're kind of just saying 'I haven't bothered with the information but I have a monopoly on this because I'm me'

Not impressed.

It is remarks such as these which seriously pee me off on here; Livia comments on erroneous statements on law made by non-lawyer 'laymen' and instead of deferring to the fact that she is a vastly experienced top-flight lawyer who KNOWS her subject, we are instead treated to disingenuous, unfair, thinly veiled or even naked insinuations that she is commenting through ego or conceit.

[Oliver_W]

How would you know? You haven’t seen the livestream. How would we go about discussing that in a mutual way. This conversation cant go any further without a bit of effort on your end.

Have you seen the livestream? Which part of it was a "clear contempt of court" ?

[Livia]

It is remarks such as these which seriously pee me off on here; Livia comments on erroneous statements on law made by non-lawyer 'laymen' and instead of deferring to the fact that she is a vastly experienced top-flight lawyer who KNOWS her subject, we are instead treated to disingenuous, unfair, thinly veiled or even naked insinuations that she is commenting through ego or conceit.

It's fine, Kirk. It's how it works in here.

[kirklancaster]

It's fine, Kirk. It's how it works in here.

I know Liv - I've been 'made out'to be a liar more than once when I have related TRUE direct experiences.

[Withano]

LOL...

I never said I have a monopoly on anything. And making rude comments about my ego purely because I spoke about what I know - and you don't - doesn't give you leave to take the piss.

When you finally leave school, you can speak with authority on whatever it is you've been studying for the last twenty-odd years. and I promise not to accuse YOU have having an over inflated ego.

Livia. You havent watched the information. Literally the only piece of information. You havent seen it.

You attempted to state that your opinion on the case was more worthwhile because you are a lawyer with four years of education. It isnt. You havent seen the information. You are not more in-the-know based on your education. It wont be true when the next law-based thread comes along either - if youre not going to watch the information provided, your opinion on the information will mean less despite of your education.

What youre doing is equal to ‘hi guys, i dont know much about grenfell tower, but im a trained fire marshall. It was a hairdryer’ his opinion means less than those who educated themselves on the disaster.

[user104658]

It is remarks such as these which seriously pee me off on here; Livia comments on erroneous statements on law made by non-lawyer 'laymen' and instead of deferring to the fact that she is a vastly experienced top-flight lawyer who KNOWS her subject, we are instead treated to disingenuous, unfair, thinly veiled or even naked insinuations that she is commenting through ego or conceit.

I can't agree with that Kirk; it IS a bad idea to "take people's word for it" (for anything) without further explanation on the basis that they have studies or experience in the area. It's still perfectly reasonable to expect someone to explain their stance. For example, would any of us "laypeople" citizens of the UK be OK with the government making sweeping changes to the economy, stating "I don't have to explain my stance - I'm the Chancellor of the Exchequer! Come back when you're a Chancellor of the Exchequer".

Or in other words... I do think it's reasonable to say that people should pay more attention to the explanations and opinions of people who have training or experience, that's just sensible... but it's not sensible to say "I just flat out accept that you are probably right about this so you don't need to bother explaining your reasoning".

Or to be more blunt; if someone is not interested in even attempting to explain the reasoning behind their opinions - no matter what their education level or career choice - then I am not interested in listening to those opinions.

Also, not to "start anything" here but...

The only evidence I have that Livia is a "vastly experienced top-flight lawyer" is her own say so, and as Livia herself pointed out in a thread recently, it would be foolish to believe that anonymous people on an anonymous forum are always exactly what they claim to be.

[bots]

Honestly don't know what the fuss is about. Was Robinson seriously the only person in the UK that knew of instances of abuse and was prepared to do something about it? I very much doubt it. As to how the court or police treat him, I couldn't care less

[kirklancaster]

Indeed, which is why we should accept that the people who arrested him, and those who charged him in the first place (as it keeps being overlooked across the media that he was on parole, it's not that he's been "locked up for reporting from a courthouse") ARE in possession of facts that Robinson supporters are not and DO have good and valid reasons for locking him up, rather than it being some sort of government conspiracy / KGB style ambush where he was bundled into the back of a van for daring to speak out against Muslims. Which is just clearly nonsense.

'Nonsense' in YOUR opinion T.S which is no more qualified than mine or Tom Cobbley down the road.

In my opinion, there is FAR more to Robinson being arrested than for any purported 'Breach of the Peace'

The fact that there is no news about this most newsworthy of cases is very suss.

[Crimson Dynamo]

.

Also, not to "start anything" here but...

The only evidence I have that Livia is a "vastly experienced top-flight lawyer" is her own say so, and as Livia herself pointed out in a thread recently, it would be foolish to believe that anonymous people on an anonymous forum are always exactly what they claim to be.

well i believe you work in a bookies so..

[Cherie]

well i believe you work in a bookies so..

:laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Honestly don't know what the fuss is about. Was Robinson seriously the only person in the UK that knew of instances of abuse and was prepared to do something about it? I very much doubt it. As to how the court or police treat him, I couldn't care less

It seems that his livestream was the only report on that particular trial.

[Tom4784]

He's a dick that endangered the trial. He doesn't care about the victims or getting them justice, if he did he would have stayed away, not risked the victims' anonymity or risked, through his actions, giving the defendants' the potential option of going for a mistrial.

Tommy Robinson's only cares for one cause and that's Tommy Robinson. He's just using this crime as self promotion for his bull****.

[Tom4784]

It seems that his livestream was the only report on that particular trial.

It's a trial involving underage victims, the press are limited on how they can report it when it's ongoing.

[Tom4784]

'Nonsense' in YOUR opinion T.S which is no more qualified than mine or Tom Cobbley down the road.

In my opinion, there is FAR more to Robinson being arrested than for any purported 'Breach of the Peace'

The fact that there is no news about this most newsworthy of cases is very suss.

That's because you value your feelings over the facts.

It's not some government stitch up, they haven't planted evidence on him. He's been charged and he's going to go to court, they wouldn't do that without just cause. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's not some conspiracy to silence some inbred chav that's only interested in self promotion.

[Livia]

Livia. You havent watched the information. Literally the only piece of information. You havent seen it.

You attempted to state that your opinion on the case was more worthwhile because you are a lawyer with four years of education. It isnt. You havent seen the information. You are not more in-the-know based on your education. It wont be true when the next law-based thread comes along either - if youre not going to watch the information provided, your opinion on the information will mean less despite of your education.

What youre doing is equal to ‘hi guys, i dont know much about grenfell tower, but im a trained fire marshall. It was a hairdryer’ his opinion means less than those who educated themselves on the disaster.

Re the bold bit... I can honestly say I know more about the law than you do, and about the difference between contempt of court and breaching the peace.

You came up with a clear cut case of contempt of court after seeing a bit of film on the Internet.

You didn't say it was your opinion, you said it was a clear cut case. And it was not.

[user104658]

well i believe you work in a bookies so..

So what, LT, I haven't claimed otherwise?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So what, LT, I haven't claimed otherwise?

thats right:smug:

[user104658]

thats right:smug:

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I :joker:. My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I :joker:. My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

perhaps but then we sometimes speak to people out with the forum confines..

[kirklancaster]

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I :joker:. My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

[user104658]

perhaps but then we sometimes speak to people out with the forum confines..

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

Fair, but again, this is extra knowledge that you (both) happen to have and, again, you can't expect other members not privvy to such "extra information" to simply accept it as being true. So while it might lend extra weight to posts for you and for others with this information, you can't reasonably expect it to do the same for those who don't.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

Again that's fair (taking into consideration the above) but I would still counter that while it does lend extra weight to what someone has to say, there are VERY few people in the world who are "infallible experts" and, also, people have their own political leanings etc. that will feed into their assessment of something like this... especially on an informal forum where no one is expected to behave professionally or be neutral.

TBH in this case, it's surely a case of "LT's usual stance on US cop stuff" - NONE of us have the full story on why Robinson was arrested... so, qualifications are sort of irrelevant... and we should surely just trust that the people who are both qualified AND in full possession of the facts have made the right call :shrug:. After all... Tommy has made a fair mint from his social media celebrity, so I have no doubt that he has his own highly qualified lawyers fighting his corner.

[Tom4784]

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

[user104658]

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

And yes, again, this. Even a doctor when making a diagnosis will tell the patient (and indeed, is professionally obligated to tell the patient) what has lead to that diagnosis. They show the scans, explain the terminology, what it all means. They don't say "You have cancer, just trust me, I'm a doctor."

[bots]

Former English Defence League (EDL) leader Tommy Robinson has been jailed for potentially prejudicing a court case, it can be reported.

Robinson, who appeared in the dock under real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was arrested in Leeds on Friday.

The 35-year-old was broadcasting on social media outside the city's crown court where a trial was ongoing.

A ban on reporting his 13-month sentence at the same court was lifted after being challenged by the media.

Robinson was livestreaming via his Facebook page when he was arrested for a suspected breach of the peace outside the court.

Prison warning
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial.

The lifting of the court order followed protests outside Downing Street over the weekend.

Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.

At the earlier sentencing hearing, the judge warned him he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.

Robinson founded the far-right EDL in 2009.

It became known for its street marches and demonstrations in towns and cities before he quit the group in 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44287640

[Niamh.]

Former English Defence League (EDL) leader Tommy Robinson has been jailed for potentially prejudicing a court case, it can be reported.

So basically people knowing that Muslims were involved was more important than justice for the victims?

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/tommy-robinson-ex-leader-of-english-defence-league-jailed-for-breaching-court-orders-11389226

Another news thread on it , at last.

https://e3.365dm.com/18/02/1096x616/skynews-tommy-robinson-stephen-yaxley-lennon_4219889.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180201123922
He should have got someone else to film it,
its his own fault.

[arista]

"So basically people knowing that Muslims were involved was more important than justice for the victims?"

For sure Niamh

[Niamh.]

back on topic please

[user104658]

yes because Dezzy and Livia have the same posting style and modus operandi..


:rolleyes:

They're more similar than different tbh.

Anyway, I was specifically talking about this;

"portray yourself as some kind of ‘expert’ in the field whilst labelling the majority of people as ‘ignorant’ on the issue".

And yes I have seen Dezzy do this regarding media as Brillo says, and Livia does it a lot when it comes to anything law-related. In fact plenty of members have done it; myself included with my expert bookies knowledge tyvm and 3/4 of a Psychology degree :hehe:.

I'm coming down on the side of "it's not really ok", if I have to throw my hat into the ring. This is a BB forum, basically a chat down the pub, and it just frankly doesn't matter to me that much what people do outside of this forum when it comes to that opinions on things discussed here. If we're talking about objective FACTS relating to someone's area of expertise then that's another matter, e.g. if someone said "that's illegal and u'll go 2 jail!" and Livia was to say "Actually it's not technically illegal..." then that's worth paying attention to. Or if Vicky says "There is no physical difference between male and female brains what nonsense!" and a biopsych extraordinaire like myself says "There's a tonne of research that says otherwise", obviously everyone should listen. Or OK to use a more realistic example... I am actually good at my job so if I say "that's not how odds work..." that's worth listening to. If I say "Nah, Bob will never win, trust me I'm a bookie"... that means no more than the opinion of the next person. :shrug:

But when it comes to personal opinions... no, it doesn't matter if Dezzy has education in media, or if Livia is a lawyer, or if arista is a top manager.

[kirklancaster]

:laugh: I wondered how long it would be.

[user104658]

back on topic please

I didn't see this before I posted, scouts honour :worry:

[Oliver_W]

What is Dezzy's source of media brilliance, did he take Film Studies or something?

On topic bit: Ohh Robinson has been sentenced!!11one

[Brillopad]

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

Where’s your ‘expert’ knowledge on the media - something you constantly imply - but have never yet produced any evidence for!

[Brillopad]

Where’s My previous post in response to a post of Dezzy’s? What was wrong with it ? Are we no longer allowed to point out the hypocricy in a mod’s words? Dictatorship or what!

[Livia]

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

Oh yes? And how do you propose that happens? Would you like me to post a pic of my degree? Or perhaps my CV? And does that apply to everyone? Or just me?

What a load of nonsense...

[Niamh.]

Look I'm just saying when the big lamination and book binding debate starts in here, you are all ****ed

[Livia]

Look I'm just saying when the big lamination and book binding debate starts in here, you are all ****ed

LOL...

I hope you have evidence Niamh... we wouldn't want people to think you were just glory-chasing.

[Niamh.]

LOL...

I hope you have evidence Niamh... we wouldn't want people to think you were just glory-chasing.

:hee:

[Brillopad]

Look I'm just saying when the big lamination and book binding debate starts in here, you are all ****ed

Dictatorship then! !

[user104658]

Oh yes? And how do you propose that happens? Would you like me to post a pic of my degree? Or perhaps my CV? And does that apply to everyone? Or just me?


Not to speak for Dezzy here but I think what he means is, it's important for people to say "I'm trained as X and that's not how it works..." but then with a follow up explanation of how it DOES work (which may well be interesting and educational, and actually convince people) rather than a "lol no, that's not how it works, just trust me I'm trained as X, been doing it for years" but with no attempt to explain WHY it isn't accurate... or to say what IS accurate.

[user104658]

Dictatorship then! !

I'm here for it, I actually really enjoy laminating stuff... it's oddly satisfying... we even got a little laminator for work to laminate flags for the world cup :hee:.

I would post pictures but I'm worried that Niamh will judge my non-expert attempt. It's not even around the edges at all :worry:.

[Niamh.]

I'm here for it, I actually really enjoy laminating stuff... it's oddly satisfying... we even got a little laminator for work to laminate flags for the world cup :hee:.

I would post pictures but I'm worried that Niamh will judge my non-expert attempt. It's not even around the edges at all :worry:.

Amateur :rolleyes:

[user104658]

Amateur :rolleyes:

It gets worse... one has a hair stuck in it. And it's supiciously thick and curly, and none of the staff have thick curly hair...

[Livia]

Not to speak for Dezzy here but I think what he means is, it's important for people to say "I'm trained as X and that's not how it works..." but then with a follow up explanation of how it DOES work (which may well be interesting and educational, and actually convince people) rather than a "lol no, that's not how it works, just trust me I'm trained as X, been doing it for years" but with no attempt to explain WHY it isn't accurate... or to say what IS accurate.

And yet, here you are... speaking for Dezzy.

[bots]

Just to remain off topic for one more moment. Surely the opinions of experts in the field should be welcomed, not denigrated. We don't have to agree with an experts opinion, but it should ALWAYS be respected

[user104658]

And yet, here you are... speaking for Dezzy.

I'm sharing my interpretation of what he said, as I feel like it's been misrepresented as him asking for proof of academic or professional qualifications, rather than asking for people to qualify individual statements :shrug:

[Brillopad]

Still awaiting a reply as to why my post was removed! Speaks volumes - nothing was wrong with it other than it pointed out blatant hypocricy. Can’t have that can we!

[user104658]

Just to remain off topic for one more moment. Surely the opinions of experts in the field should be welcomed, not denigrated. We don't have to agree with an experts opinion, but it should ALWAYS be respected

Yes, again though, only when those opinions are explored and explained, i.e. "It works like this, because X, Y, Z" not "It works like this. I am an expert. Just trust that I know.". Or in other words, if someone feels like they have higher or expert knowledge on something, they should SHARE that knowledge, and not expect to dominate a discussion based on the idea that people will simply accept that the knowledge is there.

[Parmy]

Just to remain off topic for one more moment. Surely the opinions of experts in the field should be welcomed, not denigrated. We don't have to agree with an experts opinion, but it should ALWAYS be respected

Thank you.

[Livia]

I'm sharing my interpretation of what he said, as I feel like it's been misrepresented as him asking for proof of academic or professional qualifications, rather than asking for people to qualify individual statements :shrug:

I can read.

[Kazanne]

Just to remain off topic for one more moment. Surely the opinions of experts in the field should be welcomed, not denigrated. We don't have to agree with an experts opinion, but it should ALWAYS be respected

:clap1::clap1:

[Niamh.]

Ok Can we please get back ontopic now. I will start giving out infractions this time

[user104658]

I can read.

But you specifically suggested that Dezzy might want to "see your degree or CV", which in my opinion, is a misunderstanding of what he was asking for - which is that opinions should be backed up with an explanation of that opinion and NOT with statements like "I have a degree".

[Withano]

Posting something after a bolded Niamh always makes me tense. I was on a different window when you posted that, promise

[Niamh.]

It gets worse... one has a hair stuck in it. And it's supiciously thick and curly, and none of the staff have thick curly hair...

:skull:

Funny story though, a few years back a priest came in and asked us to laminate a Eucharist wafer :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:skull:

Funny story though, a few years back a priest came in and asked us to laminate a Eucharist wafer :laugh:

that must be a euphemism?

[thesheriff443]

Suck but don't swallow

[Livia]

Niamh, did I have a post removed, or did I not post it? I'm having one of those weeks.

[Niamh.]

Niamh, did I have a post removed, or did I not post it? I'm having one of those weeks.

Yes, you did, because everyone is ignoring my warnings :( I blame Withano though not you

[Parmy]

FORUM ALERT.


Mod issues infraction warnings for going off topic then continues off topic themselves....canny make it up.

[Livia]

Yes, you did, because everyone is ignoring my warnings :( I blame Withano though not you

Ah... thanks. It was an apology to Withano. If anyone wants to see that apology, it's on Withano's wall.

[user104658]

:skull:

Funny story though, a few years back a priest came in and asked us to laminate a Eucharist wafer :laugh:

https://pa1.narvii.com/6541/91083f967e3a3be6559aff4c5d9061d083edff51_hq.gif

https://i.gifer.com/H0xu.gif

[user104658]

FORUM ALERT.


Mod issues infraction warnings for going off topic then continues off topic themselves....canny make it up.

What are you talking about?

"Anyone know if this is true or fake? I've just been told that it's possible to laminate literally ANYTHING."

That was the thread :shrug:.

[Niamh.]

FORUM ALERT.


Mod issues infraction warnings for going off topic then continues off topic themselves....canny make it up.

Could not make that **** up Parmnion, crazy I tell ya!

Just trying to lighten the mood abit, calm down, things were getting a bit tense in here. Lets all pull together and make SDs great again :love:

[Parmy]

Could not make that **** up Parmnion, crazy I tell ya!

Just trying to lighten the mood abit, calm down, things were getting a bit tense in here. Lets all pull together and make SDs great again :love:

Im just kidding, my smiley board was missing though


Did you laminate it.

[Withano]

Yes, you did, because everyone is ignoring my warnings :( I blame Withano though not you

https://i.gifer.com/QVBX.gif

[Niamh.]

Im just kidding, my smiley board was missing though


Did you laminate it.

I may have done :hee:

[kirklancaster]

FORUM ALERT.


Mod issues infraction warnings for going off topic then continues off topic themselves....canny make it up.

:laugh: I noticed too, Parmy.

[user104658]

I may have done :hee:

Are there different laminator girths? I'm sure I've seen things with, for example, coins laminated onto them but I don't feel like my little laminator would accept a coin going through her.

[Livia]

Yes, you did, because everyone is ignoring my warnings :( I blame Withano though not you

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/b5/dd/6bb5ddb8e3303981ae323b2f85fec629.gif

[Niamh.]

Are there different laminator girths? I'm sure I've seen things with, for example, coins laminated onto them but I don't feel like my little laminator would accept a coin going through her.

:laugh:

There probably is but we just have standard ones, I'm afraid

Ok we better stop this lamination talk now before I get in trouble :worry:

[Cherie]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/b5/dd/6bb5ddb8e3303981ae323b2f85fec629.gif

:joker:

[user104658]

:laugh:

There probably is but we just have standard ones, I'm afraid

Ok we better stop this lamination talk now before I get in trouble :worry:

It's fine, no one actually wants to talk about Tommy Robinson any more...

What about card?

[Niamh.]

It's fine, no one actually wants to talk about Tommy Robinson any more...

What about card?

Oh actually we can widen the gap between the rollers on roll laminators now you mention in it for fatter things........ that sounds really bad, there was no way of making that sentence work without it sounding bad though :skull:

[Kazanne]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/b5/dd/6bb5ddb8e3303981ae323b2f85fec629.gif

OMG,:laugh::laugh: love that gif

[Livia]

OMG,:laugh::laugh: love that gif

I have to be honest and say I first saw it when Niamh posted it. It's great, isn't it?

[Kazanne]

I have to be honest and say I first saw it when Niamh posted it. It's great, isn't it?

Yes,that look of satisfaction,:laugh: it's a keeper.:wavey:

[Alf]

I'm off to sit outside Hull prison until they release the working class hero. I've got sandwiches and a flask of tea.

[Withano]

I'm off to sit outside Hull prison until they release the working class hero. I've got sandwiches and a flask of tea.

Working class? He’s probably earned well over a million?

Hero? Hes a criminal?

Sandwiches and a flask of tea? Youre gonna be there for 13 months?

I’m not sure if youve thought through any of this, alf.

[Oliver_W]

1FniPiSLut8

[kirklancaster]

1FniPiSLut8

A simply brilliant and pertinent video which reiterates what a lot of us have been saying about 'Political Correctness and the cowardice of those in Authority in this Country in abandoning their duties to its people because of it.

I had said in a post - now removed - that when the message is true and important, then the motives of the messenger are secondary, and this is even truer when that messenger is virtually the only one delivering the message because COWARDS in authority have prohibited others from delivering it.

And any suggestions that Robinson by his actions was imperilling the trial or likely to prejudice its outcome are pure bollox - in my opinion.

He was arrested and imprisoned by the Authorities for DARING to challenge their cowardly 'News Blackout'.

[AnnieK]

A simply brilliant and pertinent video which reiterates what a lot of us have been saying about 'Political Correctness and the cowardice of those in Authority in this Country in abandoning their duties to its people because of it.

I had said in a post - now removed - that when the message is true and important, then the motives of the messenger are secondary, and this is even truer when that messenger is virtually the only one delivering the message because COWARDS in authority have prohibited others from delivering it.

And any suggestions that Robinson by his actions was imperilling the trial or likely to prejudice its outcome are pure bollox - in my opinion.

He was arrested and imprisoned by the Authorities for DARING to challenge their cowardly 'News Blackout'.

Do you not think though (and I don't know enough about this case to say it with conviction) that some of the reason behind the news black out during the trial, is to protect the victims and him doing this could breach their right to anonymity? The courts will deal with the perpetrators, the victims have to live with it forever which is hard enough without the world knowing it was them.

Had I thought the messenger was doing this for the "right" reasons I would have sympathy but as it is, he is desperate for fame and inciting racial conflict and couldn't give a toss about the victims in this case

[thesheriff443]

If the TV stations and news can plaster the faces of terrorists or celebrities/ sports stars involved in cases when they are on trial, and yet mr Robinson has gone to jail for doing the same thing.

[thesheriff443]

We cant talk about gangs of Muslim men passing under age girls around to abuse them.

[bots]

Do you not think though (and I don't know enough about this case to say it with conviction) that some of the reason behind the news black out during the trial, is to protect the victims and him doing this could breach their right to anonymity? The courts will deal with the perpetrators, the victims have to live with it forever which is hard enough without the world knowing it was them.

Had I thought the messenger was doing this for the "right" reasons I would have sympathy but as it is, he is desperate for fame and inciting racial conflict and couldn't give a toss about the victims in this case

That's my position on this too. The courts are accountable, judges are accountable, the police are accountable. If something sinister were going on, surely there wouldn't even have been a trial at all, it would have been stopped before it even got to that point. If a judge imposes a news blackout, it is done having provided justification and for a specific reason.

Honestly, I don't know if the judge was correct or not in imposing the blackout, but neither do any of the other contributors to this thread either, unless I'm mistaken? So, given that a trial WAS being held, who honestly thinks Robinsons rights top either the defendants or the victims in this case, because that whats actually being put forward here and I personally think that is a disgrace.

[Crimson Dynamo]

1FniPiSLut8

Maajid is an excellent broadcaster and calls out Islam all the time and also is bang on about this issue, people would rather blame anyone rather than the actual perps for fear of blame on themselves


yes, thats right

Sod the little girls being abused i dont care about them


I dont want any blame on me


:idc:

[kirklancaster]

Do you not think though (and I don't know enough about this case to say it with conviction) that some of the reason behind the news black out during the trial, is to protect the victims and him doing this could breach their right to anonymity? The courts will deal with the perpetrators, the victims have to live with it forever which is hard enough without the world knowing it was them.

Had I thought the messenger was doing this for the "right" reasons I would have sympathy but as it is, he is desperate for fame and inciting racial conflict and couldn't give a toss about the victims in this case

No, unfortunately, Annie.

For DECADES numerous Authorities - Councils, Police and Governments - have KNOWN about these vile, largely Muslim 'Grooming' gangs and could have acted but did not, some by their own admission, through FEAR of being labelled Islamaphobic and Racist, and if they had not been such cowards and had have cracked down on these bastards earlier instead of protecting them, they could have possibly saved thousands of poor innocent children from becoming victims.

Robinsons alleged 'motives' in doing what he did are totally irrelevant as far as I am concerned but with great irony, the weak, spineless PC-cowered Authorities have inadvertently carried out Robinson's task for him with far more success than if they had merely left him alone because now this incident of Robinson's arrest has caused such controversy that it has resurrected the dead and all but PC buried 'corpse' of the 'Grooming Gang' issue.

Think about it Annie; Would we on Tibb be even talking about these subjects now had it not been for Robinson's arrest? Would the internet be full of it? Would it now slowly, slightly, but surely be 'trickling in' to the orthodox Media?

[user104658]

Maajid is an excellent broadcaster and calls out Islam all the time and also is bang on about this issue, people would rather blame anyone rather than the actual perps for fear of blame on themselves


yes, thats right

Sod the little girls being abused i dont care about them


I dont want any blame on me


:idc:

The Tommy Robinson situation and the actual situation concerning the trial are completely separate though. They have literally nothing to do with each other, besides him making deliberate attempts to plaster his face all over it in order to solidfy the ridiculous notion that he's some sort of Working Class White Knight, protecting the realms from Muslims by being an annoying prick on Social Media.

[kirklancaster]

That's my position on this too. The courts are accountable, judges are accountable, the police are accountable. If something sinister were going on, surely there wouldn't even have been a trial at all, it would have been stopped before it even got to that point. If a judge imposes a news blackout, it is done having provided justification and for a specific reason.

Honestly, I don't know if the judge was correct or not in imposing the blackout, but neither do any of the other contributors to this thread either, unless I'm mistaken? So, given that a trial WAS being held, who honestly thinks Robinsons rights top either the defendants or the victims in this case, because that whats actually being put forward here and I personally think that is a disgrace.

Do you REALLY believe that ALL the Judiciary in this country is impartial, honest, and equitable? Because if you do BOTS then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

These trials are but a small percentage of the actual cases which have been reported to the Authorities - the majority of which never make it to any charges stage despite overwhelming evidence including victim statements and even pregnancies in 12-year-old girls the children of which have been proved by DNA science to be fathered by certain Asians who are part of the 'alleged' gangs.

As such it is purely down to the courage of a few non-PC cowered bodies and individuals in Rotherham that ANY of these cases have resulted in Court appearances and trials, because once the floodgates WERE opened by these brave parties, the ensuing flood of 'Asian' (a less controversial word on here than 'Muslim') Grooming Cases was too great and widespread to continue to be stifled by even the most cowardly of Authorities.

"If something sinister were going on, surely there wouldn't even have been a trial at all"

Would you call the following anything other than 'sinister'?:

"In March 2018, shock and outrage surged across Britain as the true extent of a historic child sex abuse ring in Telford, Shropshire was uncovered in the mainstream media.

In what has since been dubbed the "worst ever" child abuse scandal in British history, as many as 1,000 young local girls may have been groomed for sex by a 200-strong syndicate of British-Asian men. Victims were said to have been trafficked, drugged, beaten, raped and in some cases even murdered.

While the scale of the criminal conspiracy and the specific offences involved, predictably sickened members of the public far and wide, so too did allegations local authorities knew about the problem in the early 1990s and failed to maintain details of abusers in Asian communities for fear of being labelled racist."

"Despite being widespread, British authorities have "deliberately ignored" the issue for decades — despite politicians, law enforcement agencies and officials, charities, social workers, academics and journalists being fully cognisant of the phenomenon for some time, grooming was rarely if ever documented by the mainstream media, the campaigns of child-care charities, official reports, or academic works. What accounts for this failure to acknowledge an undeniable reality?

"Stringent political correctness, and a fear of being labelled racist ensured people didn't speak out,in the process enabling perpetrators to sexually abuse schoolgirls for decades with impunity. This, in an age where parents can be prosecuted for smacking their children! While the Rotherham scandal breaking ended this conspiracy of silence, it wasn't entirely shattered — the public know only a fraction of the true story. Grooming gangs are an epidemic in the UK, and have been operating for over 30 years,"

I could fill ten threads with other examples BOTS.

The only 'DISGRACE' is not in any of us daring to state what we do on here, but in numerous Authorities being aware of this horrific crime for decades and 'covering it up' through Political Correctness dictated cowardice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Tommy Robinson situation and the actual situation concerning the trial are completely separate though. They have literally nothing to do with each other, besides him making deliberate attempts to plaster his face all over it in order to solidfy the ridiculous notion that he's some sort of Working Class White Knight, protecting the realms from Muslims by being an annoying prick on Social Media.

you and many on here seem to think you know what his motivation is when you dont

if he wanted to "get famous" then I am sure there are easier less dangerous avenues

you have no idea what his motivations are, but he does

[Crimson Dynamo]

i mean we had the same folks queuing up saying that attack on him the other day was staged


:joker:


i doubt any of the people who said that have ever been in a fight in their puff

but there they were with their expert opinion on it

you could not make it up

:idc:

[The Slim Reaper]

No, unfortunately, Annie.

For DECADES numerous Authorities - Councils, Police and Governments - have KNOWN about these vile, largely Muslim 'Grooming' gangs and could have acted but did not, some by their own admission, through FEAR of being labelled Islamaphobic and Racist, and if they had not been such cowards and had have cracked down on these bastards earlier instead of protecting them, they could have possibly saved thousands of poor innocent children from becoming victims.

Robinsons alleged 'motives' in doing what he did are totally irrelevant as far as I am concerned but with great irony, the weak, spineless PC-cowered Authorities have inadvertently carried out Robinson's task for him with far more success than if they had merely left him alone because now this incident of Robinson's arrest has caused such controversy that it has resurrected the dead and all but PC buried 'corpse' of the 'Grooming Gang' issue.

Think about it Annie; Would we on Tibb be even talking about these subjects now had it not been for Robinson's arrest? Would the internet be full of it? Would it be now slowly, slightly, but surely be 'trickling in' to rthe orthodox Media?

I completely agree that it's largely Muslims who are paedophiles in this great country of ours, and us native folks haven't had any of these issues because of our strong Judeo-Christian values and heritage. Thank god that our children have been safely cared for and nurtured by priests for centuries.

I give thanks everyday that brave Galahad's like Tommy are stepping up and tackling this head on, and like you, I don't even care about his motives. I mean, motive may be an important factor in the law, but so what? It's just another example of PC culture running amok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I completely agree that it's largely Muslims who are paedophiles in this great country of ours, and us native folks haven't had any of these issues because of our strong Judeo-Christian values and heritage. Thank god that our children have been safely cared for and nurtured by priests for centuries.

I give thanks everyday that brave Galahad's like Tommy are stepping up and tackling this head on, and like you, I don't even care about his motives. I mean, motive may be an important factor in the law, but so what? It's just another example of PC culture running amok.

i think we have moved the debate on a little from "what, so every muslim is a paedo is that wot ur sayin????"




:idc:

[Parmy]

I wonder if any of these child rapists were paid 10grand by the police to spy on thier mates.

[Alf]

Some people show more anger towards a tweet by Trump or Rosanne than they do to an epidemic of children being groomed and raped. I don't believe they think that the tweets are worse, I just think they're afraid to speak out about the other.

[Oliver_W]

I completely agree that it's largely Muslims who are paedophiles in this great country of ours, and us native folks haven't had any of these issues because of our strong Judeo-Christian values and heritage. Thank god that our children have been safely cared for and nurtured by priests for centuries.
I don't really think an individual muslim is more likely to be a paedo than an individual Brit, but the "prophet" of islam molested a nine year old, so islamically it's okay to be one. Generally speaking - grooming gangs are more likely to be muslims, an individual creep is more likely to be white.

[kirklancaster]

I completely agree that it's largely Muslims who are paedophiles in this great country of ours, and us native folks haven't had any of these issues because of our strong Judeo-Christian values and heritage. Thank god that our children have been safely cared for and nurtured by priests for centuries.

I give thanks everyday that brave Galahad's like Tommy are stepping up and tackling this head on, and like you, I don't even care about his motives. I mean, motive may be an important factor in handling out justice to begin with, but so what? It's just another example of PC culture running amok.

I know that you are mocking but that's OK.

I just wish you would actually READ my posts before reacting.

You are correct about the perversion of - mainly Roman Catholic - clergy in this Country and their paedophilia and THIS is something which I have often written about and condemned.

This issue is NOT what is being discussed here though, is it?

The Authorities in this country has a historical record of 'shooting themselves in the foot' with some of their decisions and the decision to arrest Robinson is yet another because it has spectacularly and dramatically BACKFIRED on them.

It has now given the Extreme Far-Right an opportunity to make capital out of it and the ensuing controversy has put them firmly in the spotlight which they can use to peddle their vile, racist bile.

What is worse, is that thanks to this 'gift from the Authorities' there are now a lot of ordinary people who hitherto had never heard of Tommy Robinson who - having been angered by the details of his arrest - are being influenced to have 'sympathy' for him if not actually being converted to his cause.

I said that his motives are secondary in this case to his message; reportage of the Grooming Gang trial - and they ARE.

I have stated that in my opinion Robinson is vile and a racist so your last paragraphs are meaningless, but unlike you and others who irrationally seem to be outraged by my posts, as vile as I may find Robinson he is the ARCHANGEL ****ING GABRIEL in comparison to these evil Grooming Gang Members - yet I do not see ANY of you being at all outraged by them, well obviously not enough to post any condemnation of them like you have Robinson.

[AnnieK]

I know that you are mocking but that's OK.

I just wish you would actually READ my posts before reacting.

You are correct about the perversion of - mainly Roman Catholic - clergy in this Country and their paedophilia and THIS is something which I have often written about and condemned.

This issue is NOT what is being discussed here though, is it?

The Authorities in this country has a historical record of 'shooting themselves in the foot' with some of their decisions and the decision to arrest Robinson is yet another because it has spectacularly and dramatically BACKFIRED on them.

It has now given the Extreme Far-Right an opportunity to make capital out of it and the ensuing controversy has put them firmly in the spotlight which they can use to peddle their vile, racist bile.

What is worse, is that thanks to this 'gift from the Authorities' there are now a lot of ordinary people who hitherto had never heard of Tommy Robinson who - having been angered by the details of his arrest - are being influenced to have 'sympathy' for him if not actually being converted to his cause.

I said that his motives are secondary in this case to his message; reportage of the Grooming Gang trial - and they ARE.

I have stated that in my opinion Robinson is vile and a racist so your last paragraphs are meaningless, but unlike you and others who irrationally seem to be outraged by my posts, as vile as I may find Robinson he is the ARCHANGEL ****ING GABRIEL in comparison to these evil Grooming Gang Members - yet I do not see ANY of you being at all outraged by them, well obviously not enough to post any condemnation of them like you have Robinson.

Condemnation of the gangs goes without saying though Kirk and to say no-one is outraged by them is unfair. As a parent, the thought that these things happen is abhorrent, however, had it happened to my child, I would not want the world and its wife reporting on what my child had been through either. The fact that is was in court and being tried and hopefully the monsters put away would be the outcome I would want. Not some vigilante outside putting the trial at risk. What is there to post about them? They are in court and being tried. The fact that Robinson's actions could have lead to a mistrial is an issue too - these "men" for want of a better word could have been back out on the street if the judge had decided to declare a mistrial because of his actions breaking the media blackout.

[Niamh.]

Condemnation of the gangs goes without saying though Kirk and to say no-one is outraged by them is unfair. As a parent, the thought that these things happen is abhorrent, however, had it happened to my child, I would not want the world and its wife reporting on what my child had been through either. The fact that is was in court and being tried and hopefully the monsters put away would be the outcome I would want. Not some vigilante outside putting the trial at risk. What is there to post about them? They are in court and being tried. The fact that Robinson's actions could have lead to a mistrial is an issue too - these "men" for want of a better word could have been back out on the street if the judge had decided to declare a mistrial because of his actions breaking the media blackout.

Yep, exactly. If I was a parent of one of those children and my child didn't get justice because Tommy Robinson reported it, I'd be out for blood, seriously

[Crimson Dynamo]

Condemnation of the gangs goes without saying though Kirk and to say no-one is outraged by them is unfair. As a parent, the thought that these things happen is abhorrent, however, had it happened to my child, I would not want the world and its wife reporting on what my child had been through either. The fact that is was in court and being tried and hopefully the monsters put away would be the outcome I would want. Not some vigilante outside putting the trial at risk. What is there to post about them? They are in court and being tried. The fact that Robinson's actions could have lead to a mistrial is an issue too - these "men" for want of a better word could have been back out on the street if the judge had decided to declare a mistrial because of his actions breaking the media blackout.

who actually stated that his actions "could" have led to a mistrial

was it the judge?

[Niamh.]

who actually stated that his actions "could" have led to a mistrial

was it the judge?

Pretty much

Judge Geoffrey Marson QC told him: “I respect everyone’s right to free speech. That’s one of the most important rights that we have.

“With those rights come responsibilities. The responsibility to exercise that freedom of speech within the law.

“I am not sure you appreciate the potential consequence of what you have done."

Robinson's broadcast outside court put him in contempt of court.


Offences like his can cause a trial to collapse, as the jury may be deemed unable to deliver a fair verdict - at great cost to the court (and therefore the British taxpayer).

A mistrial means beginning the process all over again, with witnesses and alleged victims forced to give evidence a second time.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-12616429

[Alf]

Condemnation of the gangs goes without saying though Kirk and to say no-one is outraged by them is unfair. As a parent, the thought that these things happen is abhorrent, however, had it happened to my child, I would not want the world and its wife reporting on what my child had been through either. The fact that is was in court and being tried and hopefully the monsters put away would be the outcome I would want. Not some vigilante outside putting the trial at risk. What is there to post about them? They are in court and being tried. The fact that Robinson's actions could have lead to a mistrial is an issue too - these "men" for want of a better word could have been back out on the street if the judge had decided to declare a mistrial because of his actions breaking the media blackout.It could only be a possibility of a mistrial if Robinson filmed or took pictures while stood within the precincts of the court (I don't know whether he was or not) Outside the precincts, anybody is free to film or take pictures.

[Parmy]

10grand the police paid a child rapists.

[user104658]

It could only be a possibility of a mistrial if Robinson filmed or took pictures while stood within the precincts of the court (I don't know whether he was or not) Outside the precincts, anybody is free to film or take pictures.

He wasn't filming or taking pictures though, he was broadcasting live. To be fair I don't know if there's different rules for that, but I'd imagine there may well be (as it's obviously harder / impossible to control the content of what's shared in a live stream)

[Alf]

He wasn't filming or taking pictures though, he was broadcasting live. To be fair I don't know if there's different rules for that, but I'd imagine there may well be (as it's obviously harder / impossible to control the content of what's shared in a live stream)I doubt there will be a law against that, because live streaming is a fairly modern thing.

[user104658]

I doubt there will be a law against that, because live streaming is a fairly modern thing.

Personal live streaming is new but for example news channels live streaming is not, but the news channels will be aware of the rules regarding broadcasting live from outside a trial. That's where the water gets muddy I guess with new technology. If the laws do exist, they are laws that weren't relevant to the general public until the last couple of years, because it's only in the last couple of years that anyone with a smartphone has been able to set up their own stream and broadcast to thousands of viewers. So people aren't necessarily aware of the rules surrounding this sort of thing. Unfortunately for Robinsom - as applies to every law - ignorance of the law is never considered a viable excuse for breaking it. e.g. someone wouldn't get away with drinking and driving just because they weren't aware that it was illegal.

[kirklancaster]

Condemnation of the gangs goes without saying though Kirk and to say no-one is outraged by them is unfair. As a parent, the thought that these things happen is abhorrent, however, had it happened to my child, I would not want the world and its wife reporting on what my child had been through either. The fact that is was in court and being tried and hopefully the monsters put away would be the outcome I would want. Not some vigilante outside putting the trial at risk. What is there to post about them? They are in court and being tried. The fact that Robinson's actions could have lead to a mistrial is an issue too - these "men" for want of a better word could have been back out on the street if the judge had decided to declare a mistrial because of his actions breaking the media blackout.

I was referring to SlimReaper and others who attack me and others like me for stating a perspective different to theirs - not you or others like you Annie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pretty much

Judge Geoffrey Marson QC told him: “I respect everyone’s right to free speech. That’s one of the most important rights that we have.

“With those rights come responsibilities. The responsibility to exercise that freedom of speech within the law.

“I am not sure you appreciate the potential consequence of what you have done."

Robinson's broadcast outside court put him in contempt of court.


Offences like his can cause a trial to collapse, as the jury may be deemed unable to deliver a fair verdict - at great cost to the court (and therefore the British taxpayer).

A mistrial means beginning the process all over again, with witnesses and alleged victims forced to give evidence a second time.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-12616429

ok, thanks

so not really for what he did but in general a rumpus on a greater scale could

[Crimson Dynamo]

Personal live streaming is new but for example news channels live streaming is not, but the news channels will be aware of the rules regarding broadcasting live from outside a trial. That's where the water gets muddy I guess with new technology. If the laws do exist, they are laws that weren't relevant to the general public until the last couple of years, because it's only in the last couple of years that anyone with a smartphone has been able to set up their own stream and broadcast to thousands of viewers. So people aren't necessarily aware of the rules surrounding this sort of thing. Unfortunately for Robinsom - as applies to every law - ignorance of the law is never considered a viable excuse for breaking it. e.g. someone wouldn't get away with drinking and driving just because they weren't aware that it was illegal.

Its a bit like my smartwatch, i could get pulled over for using like like if I was using a mobile but the chances are pretty slim as the cops are not yet looking for that

[Niamh.]

ok, thanks

so not really for what he did but in general a rumpus on a greater scale could

Well they locked him up so yeah for exactly what he did?

[bots]

It could only be a possibility of a mistrial if Robinson filmed or took pictures while stood within the precincts of the court (I don't know whether he was or not) Outside the precincts, anybody is free to film or take pictures.

Simply broadcasting that a trial is taking place may have been sufficient to break the law. If a judge has placed reporting restrictions on proceedings, that's it, there is no way round it unless it is overturned, and any form of publicising that the event was happening is going to get you in hot water. Just to add, that the reason it warranted Robinson being locked up was due to his previous history of criminal behaviour

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well they locked him up so yeah for exactly what he did?

no, that it did not cause a mistrial but yes he was breaking the law (or a law that has quite a bit of interpretation in it)?

[Niamh.]

no, that it did not cause a mistrial but yes he was breaking the law (or a law that has quite a bit of interpretation in it)?

It didn't but it could have, you asked originally who said it "could" have caused a mistrial. I don't believe anyone said it did cause a mistrial? I'm getting confused now :laugh:

[Alf]

An update by Raheem on how Tommy was jailed

mD6Iqxegug4

[Cherie]

I completely agree that it's largely Muslims who are paedophiles in this great country of ours, and us native folks haven't had any of these issues because of our strong Judeo-Christian values and heritage. Thank god that our children have been safely cared for and nurtured by priests for centuries.

I give thanks everyday that brave Galahad's like Tommy are stepping up and tackling this head on, and like you, I don't even care about his motives. I mean, motive may be an important factor in the law, but so what? It's just another example of PC culture running amok.

tbf though you only have to mention priest and the word paedo is attached to it, and no one bats an eyelid or stands up for the many who were decent people, but you can't mention the word terrorist, peado gang or muslim in the same breath as you are buried under a ton of bricks :laugh:

[user104658]

An update by Raheem on how Tommy was jailed

mD6Iqxegug4

I see a guy openly admitting that he has no idea what actually happened and is guessing... but then making that out to be an accurate account of what happened :think:

"As I understand it, he was not represented by his own lawyer."

"He was represented - I'm told - by a public defender"

"A public defender who would not have expertise on contempt of court" (he has no way of knowing this; it's an assumption)

"An I have no doubt that it was that solicitor who convinced him, that if you plead guilty" - This is nothing more than a flat out guess

Then he finishes up by talking about how "other people do not understand what is happening in this case"... suggesting that he actually does... when he's just as much in the dark as anyone else :think:.


Flimsy.