LGBTQA+1234 forum

[Maru]

I think there are so many subforums already and already way too cluttered here... but I think TiBB really deserves an LGBTQ+ section. Just because there are so many users here that could benefit from that particular outlet. Those subjects drown in SD because of all the politics involved and I think it would help the climate here to have that to balance that seriousness out... I mean yes, you the lovely admin will have to rename the section every time someone campaigns to add another letter, but I think it is worth the great effort.

Also, Jamie should totally run it and lead the peoples. Amen.

https://i.imgur.com/0nLfMnE.png

[Mokka]

https://i.imgur.com/0nLfMnE.png

OMG ...

THIS IS BEAUTIFUL :flutter:

[Mitchell]

Can you imagine the breakdowns from certain forum members :joker:

[Maru]

Can you imagine the breakdowns from certain forum members :joker:

But think of all the people that will benefit :love: (not from the breakdowns, but in general)

[Ant.]

it's pride month! do it! give us what we want James! (besides a like button but one step at a time! the gays are used to slow progress)

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[Withano]

Can you imagine the breakdowns from certain forum members :joker:

Main reason I entered the thread tbh

[Twosugars]

Maru, you lovely woman, what a great idea :thumbs::love:

[Greg!]

Yes add ha! :clap1:

[Mitchell]

But think of all the people that will benefit :love: (not from the breakdowns, but in general)

I totally agree! Although considering Chuff accused me of having a sugar daddy when I supported Jedward and not James Jordan, I’d imagine she’d pop a vein at a LGBTQA+ forum :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

if i cant get my "Hot Shemale and weather presenters (MO trained) Pics" subforum off the ground then I am not sure why I should support this?

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[Ant.]

if i cant get my "Hot Shemale and weather presenters (MO trained) Pics" subforum off the ground then I am not sure why I should support this?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a2b15b73f6a3dfbb0814994301525a69/tenor.gif?itemid=7663264

the gays of the forum will support your subforum if you get you and your knitting club to support ours?

James and Josy can't say no to all of us!

[Nicky91]

the gays of the forum will support your subforum if you get you and your knitting club to support ours?

James and Josy can't say no to all of us!

quite right, i think if we get a majority vote to yes, then we could get our subforum

[arista]

the gays of the forum will support your subforum if you get you and your knitting club to support ours?

James and Josy can't say no to all of us!


Why will you beat them UP?

[Crimson Dynamo]

the gays of the forum will support your subforum if you get you and your knitting club to support ours?

James and Josy can't say no to all of us!

The Gays and the KC joining forces?

:omgno:



:nono: this isnt Liberal south Ireland you know



or .....Canada D:

[Nicky91]

The Gays and the KC joining forces?

:omgno:



:nono: this isnt Liberal south Ireland you know



or .....Canada D:

:oh:

don't involve poor Ireland into this

[Ant.]

the gays of the forum will support your subforum if you get you and your knitting club to support ours?

James and Josy can't say no to all of us!


Why will you beat them UP?

nah, I'll let them engage me in a 2v1, and I don't think I could take them both :worry:

The Gays and the KC joining forces?

:omgno:



:nono: this isnt Liberal south Ireland you know



or .....Canada D:

even better. it's Holland

:oh:

don't involve poor Ireland into this

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:oh:

don't involve poor Ireland into this

Poor Ireland?

:oh:

They are not poor, they have plenty money

[Eddie.]

Actuallly this would be a good idea, though I’m not sure what will be posted there...

[Nicky91]

even better. it's Holland



:laugh2:

i say yes to this Alliance :love:

Poor Ireland?

:oh:

They are not poor, they have plenty money

i didn't mean it like that :laugh:

[arista]

Poor Ireland?

:oh:

They are not poor, they have plenty money


Yes Funding from the EU.

[arista]

Stick it in Private Chat Section
maybe.

[Alf]

This forum is already gay enough. Gayness is already massively present on here.

[arista]

This forum is already gay enough. Gayness is already massively present on here.


Yes Alf
thats why stick it within
Private Chat Section.

[Calderyon]

1234 forum is for the math enthusiasts?

[Ant.]

1234 forum is for the math enthusiasts?

Jason finally has a home?

[Smithy]

Isn’t a drag race forum the same thing though?

[glibberglobber]

I understand the concept.... but what would you talk about daily?

[Ant.]

I understand the concept.... but what would you talk about daily?

political affairs regarding lgbt issues
brokeback mountain
scott and the motorway man
madonna

[Twosugars]

I understand the concept.... but what would you talk about daily?

rimming and makeup tips

[Ant.]

rimming and makeup tips

:laugh2:

also it'd be a no football zone so it'd be a safespace for the gays during th'world cup

[Calderyon]

I am pretty sure homosexuals (gays) watch football too.

[Underscore]

RUPAUL DRAG RACE SUBFORUM FIRST

http://www.azquotes.com/public/pictures/authors/b3/58/b358e6418ca333bb060fd14dc7520bf5/548642fc19827_mimi_imfurst.jpg

[Ant.]

I am pretty sure homosexuals (gays) watch football too.

they don't :spin:

[Calderyon]

they don't :spin:

They do and would probably be offended by you not thinking so.

[Ant.]

They do and would probably be offended by you not thinking so.

good thing no one's offended bc literally 0% of the lgbt population enjoys football

[Tom4784]

Isn’t a drag race forum the same thing though?

Tbh.

[Calderyon]

good thing no one's offended bc literally 0% of the lgbt population enjoys football

You are wrong. They do watch.

You are just misinformed. That is okay.

[Denver]

good thing no one's offended bc literally 0% of the lgbt population enjoys football

Poor me Shaun Ross etc

[Tom4784]

Everyone knows that sport is to the gays what Kyptonite is to Superman.

[Jamie89]

https://i.imgur.com/0nLfMnE.png

This is literally my favourite thing ever :love:

I'd be here for it, the demographic is there so there's enough members to keep it busy. I'm not a fan of the alphabet soup though... I'll suggest The Gay Club :laugh: (or just LGBT forum)

[Twosugars]

lol the gay club sounds nice
mess at me not knowing you were gay Jamie

[Amy Jade]

Would the hags be welcome?

I don't want to be stuck with the boring straights

[Livia]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

[Livia]

Would the hags be welcome?

I don't want to be stuck with the boring straights

:hmph:

[Amy Jade]

I see you more of a triangle Livia :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

why dont the tibb jews take over another subforum and then set up camp and say that god told you it was yours in the first place?


:fan:


:dog:

[y.winter]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

I somewhat agree. Considering most of the members here are part of the LGBT community (this is the impression anyway), I'm not sure if it gains anything, as the discussions are already here spread across the relevant sub-forums. Arguing about trans woman or gay cakes will happen in SD as much as in an LGBT dedicated forum.
In general, I don't see a special reason to put it all in one specific box and give whatever that is a special treatment, but then again, it's how I see these things personally in my life about some parts of the LGBT community, maybe others don't feel the same.

[Livia]

I see you more of a triangle Livia :hee:

It is true I am tri-sexual. I'll tri anything once.

[Livia]

why dont the tibb jews take over another subforum and then set up camp and say that god told you it was yours in the first place?


:fan:


:dog:

I haven't ruled it out.

[y.winter]

why dont the tibb jews take over another subforum and then set up camp and say that god told you it was yours in the first place?


:fan:


:dog:

That's Zionism you're talking about, but still not the right forum for that tbh. Pointless argument mostly belong to SD.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I haven't ruled it out.

:fist:

Let LT's Weathercenter live

[Livia]

:fist:

Let LT's Weathercenter live

Meet me half way. Let's have nice weather at the weekend and rubbish weather during the week and I will allow your thread to live. Can you see to that please, LT.

[y.winter]

:fist:

Let LT's Weathercenter live

Why not... both?
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Weather and LGBT subforum is on its way

[Livia]

Gay weather expected.

[arista]

Gay weather expected.


Toxic record, some years back
There was a UKIP fella SAYING
Gays cause bad weather
he was sacked by Farage

[Crimson Dynamo]

Storm Hector did sound a little..

gey


:suspect:

[Livia]

Toxic record, some years back
There was a UKIP fella SAYING
Gays cause bad weather
he was sacked by Farage

I remember that, he said that gay people had caused the floods. I also remember some comedian saying that, if that was true, Brighton would be underwater now.



Storm Hector did sound a little..

gey


:suspect:

If it was followed by a rainbow, then it's full-on diva-style gay.

[Nicky91]

Would the hags be welcome?

I don't want to be stuck with the boring straights

you are Always welcome Amy :love:

[Cherie]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

. Makes no sense

[reece(:]

Yaas

[Glenn.]

Isn’t TiBB a massive gay fest anyway though

[Withano]

Don’t see why not.. it would obviously get used, unlike several other existing forums.

[Smithy]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

So we can talk about anal in peace without getting judged

[Marsh.]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

. Makes no sense

Steady on, they're not separating themselves from society. :laugh:

Subforums are merely a way to organise the forum to make it easier to find specific threads. And since LGBT+ topics are very common on this forum it wouldn't be unusual for it to have a subform for all of those discussion threads.

Unless I misunderstand the OP and she literally wants an LGBT only club to be away from everyone else. In which case I agree with you.

And tbh, on a forum with pointless subforums like bloody Dancing on Ice (who watches THAT?) they deserve one too. :fist:

[GiRTh]

For it :thumbs:

[Maru]

Why do you want to separate yourselves? We don't have women only sub forums, or Jews only sub forums (because there'd only be me and y.winter in there probably). I just don't understand when a section deservedly want to be an ordinary part of a multi-faceted society, and once that starts happening, you want to separate yourselves again.

I asked for a Relationships/Spirituality forum some time back but that probably won't be taken up... The LGBT section though makes sense for the amount of topics that it generates. I don't see it as a dedicated section for one portion of the userbase. I look at it as a new topic area, that all folk can participate in... I think healthier than reserving those discussion for India/SD, where the more emotional sides of it tend to get lost in the sea of politics... if it makes sense.

If they made into a Relationships/Sexuality area with LGBT in descriptor, then I would be peachy keen. :love: We had a section like this in a forum I was very active on many moons ago and it was a lively area... I think it would make the forum much more sexy for me

Edit: I also think it will make the site much more active during off-season.

[Glenn.]

There’s nothing sexy about Marsh in the morning. The cum guzzling *****

[Marsh.]

There’s nothing sexy about Marsh in the morning. The cum guzzling *****

:eek:

[Glenn.]

You didn’t deny it

[Marsh.]

https://i.imgur.com/7cm4tUC.gif

[Glenn.]

Only you can make them poor innocent bunnies crude

[Vicky.]

I think given the replies in this thread about whats wanting to be talked about...I think an over 18 area is needed more :joker: In an LGBT+ area, there still would not be talks of anal sex and such tbh, sorry about that. If you want that, use the over 18s social group. james is a bit worried as advertisers were not impressed with some things posted on here and had to go through deleting some older stuff, so we have to be more careful.

However overall I figure it would probably be used more than some of the existing forums. Also agree with the drag race forum being basically this anyway :D

Honestly, if I had my way half of the existing subforums would be gone, serious debates would be separated from news+celeb and the subforums menu would be cleaned up a bit. Along with agreeing with the competition suggested for a new forum skin, which could be LGBT themed anyway (would be pretty at least) and a few other changes, including removal of the swear filter and huge changes to the infraction system as its clearly not working properly, and possibly some kind of donation thing where those who donate would get certain privileges (which was actually James' idea to help with the server costs if advertisers pull out but I haven't seen it mentioned again since then).

Alas, its not my forum. So this post is probably pointless except for being a bit of a rant.

[arista]

I think given the replies in this thread about whats wanting to be talked about...I think an over 18 area is needed more :joker: In an LGBT+ area, there still would not be talks of anal sex and such tbh, sorry about that. If you want that, use the over 18s social group. james is a bit worried as advertisers were not impressed with some things posted on here, so we have to be more careful.

However overall I figure it would probably be used more than some of the existing forums. Also agree with the drag race forum being basically this anyway :D

Honestly, if I had my way half of the existing subforums would be gone, serious debates would be separated from news+celeb and the subforums menu would be cleaned up a bit. Along with agreeing with the competition suggested for a new forum skin, which could be LGBT themed anyway (would be pretty at least) and a few other changes, including removal of the swear filter and huge changes to the infraction system as its clearly not working properly, and possibly some kind of donation thing where those who donate would get certain privileges (which was actually James' idea to help with the server costs if advertisers pull out but I haven't seen it mentioned again since then).

Alas, its not my forum. So this post is probably pointless except for being a bit of a rant.

Yes A Private Area
Keeping tibb legal.


and For James
advertisers would post
in a 18+ zone.
If it gets busy

[Twosugars]

some good ideas there, Vicky.
I like the donations thing, we did that on my forum and it worked

[Vicky.]

I think the issue with the donations thing though, is that people would say that those who are donating are being treat differently in terms of moderation, and also people might think if they do donate they will never be banned, and neither of which will be true. Did you run into that twosugars? Its the only problem I can see with it, but overall I think its a good idea as we won't have to rely on advertisers quite as much

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not the gay ghetto

:shocked:

[Twosugars]

I think the issue with the donations thing though, is that people would say that those who are donating are being treat differently in terms of moderation, and also people might think if they do donate they will never be banned, and neither of which will be true. Did you run into that twosugars? Its the only problem I can see with it, but overall I think its a good idea as we won't have to rely on advertisers quite as much
no, we donated to a trusted member's account who wasn't a mod and kept donations anonymous; it was made clear there'd be no favours, it was to keep the place going for everybody

[Beso]

Knock yourself out.

[Twosugars]

Knock yourself out.

ringing endorsment there from Parmy :hee::kiss:

[Cherie]

I asked for a Relationships/Spirituality forum some time back but that probably won't be taken up... The LGBT section though makes sense for the amount of topics that it generates. I don't see it as a dedicated section for one portion of the userbase. I look at it as a new topic area, that all folk can participate in... I think healthier than reserving those discussion for India/SD, where the more emotional sides of it tend to get lost in the sea of politics... if it makes sense.

If they made into a Relationships/Sexuality area with LGBT in descriptor, then I would be peachy keen. :love: We had a section like this in a forum I was very active on many moons ago and it was a lively area... I think it would make the forum much more sexy for me

Edit: I also think it will make the site much more active during off-season.

what does this mean, maybe ask Shaun to invite you to the Over 18 group if you need to be sexy

[Twosugars]

what does this mean, maybe ask Shaun to invite you to the Over 18 group if you need to be sexy

Maru didn't mean sexy like in sex, but sexy like in appealing :hehe:

[Vicky.]

no, we donated to a trusted member's account who wasn't a mod and kept donations anonymous; it was made clear there'd be no favours, it was to keep the place going for everybody

Hopefully it would go down that way here, though I still have reservations given...current events and the tensions that are already between some members and staff :laugh:

[Cherie]

Hopefully it would go down that way here, though I still have reservations given...current events and the tensions that are already between some members and staff :laugh:

I will pay all my salary to Dezzy no questions asked

[Twosugars]

Hopefully it would go down that way here, though I still have reservations given...current events and the tensions that are already between some members and staff :laugh:
you mean some people bargaining donations in exchange for Dezzy's removal? :laugh: Would they stoop so low? :hehe:
Anyways, there's plenty of active members, say 200? Costs? 1000 or less? It's doable even if my figures are probably off :laugh:

[Twosugars]

but forgot to add, if all this gay filth is kept in one place more sensitive members can avoid it altogether

[Niamh.]

Back ontopic please

[Cherie]

At the end of the day I don't care but much the same as I don't want to hear about the ins and outs of hetero sex, the same applies to gay sex, make a social group, talk about it in the chat thread, I don't know why people are so obsessed I could understand if it was all 15 year old virgins wanting to release themselves but it seems to be people who really have been round the block several times

I mean if LT starting banging on about how he and the TL like to do it I would feel the same :laugh:

[Niamh.]

At the end of the day I don't care but much the same as I don't want to hear about the ins and outs of hetero sex, the same applies to gay sex, make a social group, talk about it in the chat thread, I don't know why people are so obsessed I could understand if it was all 15 year old virgins wanting to release themselves but it seems to be people who really have been round the block several times

I mean if LT starting banging on about how he and the TL like to do it I would feel the same :laugh:

He did start a thread about how much she likes pegging the other day tbf :worry:

[Cherie]

He did start a thread about how much she likes pegging the other day tbf :worry:

mmm I thought that was innocent at the time, now I am not so sure :worry:

[Alf]

He did start a thread about how much she likes pegging the other day tbf :worry:He's always hanging out his dirty laundry in public.

[Twosugars]

A word that springs to mind is killjoy, I dunno why...

[Cherie]

A word that springs to mind is killjoy, I dunno why...

Have you not taken on board the comments about advertisers?

[Twosugars]

Have you not taken on board the comments about advertisers?
have you not taken on board the comments about members donating to fund the site?
but really, I'd rather you didn't talk to me for the forseeable future

[Niamh.]

He's always hanging out his dirty laundry in public.

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

have you not taken on board the comments about members donating to fund the site?
but really, I'd rather you didn't talk to me for the forseeable future

this already is a thing on escforum, where i am also a member

they there just ask if some members could donate to fund the site, to keep it alive

[Twosugars]

this already is a thing on escforum, where i am also a member

they there just ask if some members could donate to fund the site, to keep it alive

well said Nicky
Many places do that now, Wikipedia for example.

[Beso]

The pink pound is strong.

[Nicky91]

well said Nicky
Many places do that now, Wikipedia for example.

yep, but anyway we need something new and appealing just to make TiBB be a little interesting for (maybe) future members


i still think a LGBTQA+1234 section would be nice



love Island subforum addition was already good i think, as we see many posting in there now during the love Island on season

[Twosugars]

sure, the place should move with the times
as much as I don't like LI, if it is a popular show it should have its subforum
the same goes for others, like RPDR
basically we should respond to tv offerings and grab the fans of all current and popular shows

[Nicky91]

sure, the place should move with the times
as much as I don't like LI, if it is a popular show it should have its subforum
the same goes for others, like RPDR
basically we should respond to tv offerings and grab the fans of all current and popular shows

yeah drag race seems to be a popular show, i haven't watched it from the start, i only began watching it now but it seems a fun show

[Twosugars]

The pink pound is strong.
yup, all this money not spent on raising kids

[Crimson Dynamo]

so what is this sexy time that maru wants?

:suspect:

[arista]

Not the gay ghetto

:shocked:



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Way back in 1971 Live
Very Young Drummer Fred White (who was part of EWF later)

[Cherie]

have you not taken on board the comments about members donating to fund the site?
but really, I'd rather you didn't talk to me for the forseeable future


I would be very surprised if donations worked for this site. I will comment on your posts as I see fit, if you want to ignore me that is your prerogative, but you don't dictate who I respond to anymore than I can dictate to you.

[Cherie]

this already is a thing on escforum, where i am also a member

they there just ask if some members could donate to fund the site, to keep it alive

did you donate Nicky?

[Cherie]

yeah drag race seems to be a popular show, i haven't watched it from the start, i only began watching it now but it seems a fun show

Don't have any objection to a subforum for a TV show, that is after all what this site is about, I am sure there are many forums that cater for sexy time

[Josy]

I dont think we need to be adding subforums that would further split the forum in any way tbh also any sexual type posts could be posted in the over 18s group I guess if people feel the need to discuss it on the internet.

Adding to that there shouldnt be any overly descriptive or graphic sexual posts on here its not the place for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that's smudgie telt

[Tom4784]

I will pay all my salary to Dezzy no questions asked

*subtly hands over the 'Get out of Jail Free Card' to you under the table, as per our agreement.*

[Cherie]

*subtly hands over the 'Get out of Jail Free Card' to you under the table, as per our agreement.*

:thumbs:

[Mokka]

I don't see how a subforum with these parameters will divide the forum. It would just provide a place, much like a fan club does, where members can be supportive and uplifted for being themselves in a unique way. 90% of the time on here if gay rights or transgender issues are being discussed there are to many belittling, aggressive, insulting, accusational, and anti post to the LGBTQ community, under the guise of freedom of speech and debate, for persons of that community to feel like stepping in with their voice. So an area where someone can state a gay or trans issue that is personal or just hits home with them.... and where that issue won't get "discussed/debated" and trivialized by the smaller subset of "anti's" on here is a real positive step forward for this place. Especially seeing as there is a rather large group of people who would put themselves in the LGBTQ community posting on this site.

[Josy]

I don't see how a subforum with these parameters will divide the forum. It would just provide a place, much like a fan club does, where members can be supportive and uplifted for being themselves in a unique way. 90% of the time on here if gay rights or transgender issues are being discussed there are to many belittling, aggressive, insulting, accusational, and anti post to the LGBTQ community, under the guise of freedom of speech and debate, for persons of that community to feel like stepping in with their voice. So an area where someone can state a gay or trans issue that is personal or just hits home with them.... and where that issue won't get "discussed/debated" and trivialized by the smaller subset of "anti's" on here is a real positive step forward for this place. Especially seeing as there is a rather large group of people who would put themselves in the LGBTQ community posting on this site.The private area can be used for personal and supportive threads.

[Mokka]

The private area can be used for personal and supportive threads.

The conversations had in it don't necessarily have to be personal... just topics LGBTQ members and supporters can have without being challenged about.

The new gender passport issue thread is an example. Why would someone who is in the LGBTQ community even bother to weigh in half a page into the conversation... when the mindset of the discussion is already negative towards them. Especially the young ones we have posting on this site. Why not have a place where everything about LGBTQ isn't up for debate... and is just accepted.

You've combined serious debate and news so that it's all up for debate... news... celebrity posts... information. This section wouldn't be up for debate. That is the difference

[Denver]

What would actually be posted in it though?

[Vicky.]

At least 2 members of the LGBT community have commented on the 'gender neutral passport' thread within the first few posts. Unless you think that the LGBT community all are one homogeneous blob of group think who will support everything that anyone claiming to belong to the same group says or wants?

Maybe we could introduce a section thats basically...'you must agree with my opinions that I post in this thread'. I guess that could be popular. But thats nothing to do with LGBT+ people or supporting them.

[Mokka]

At least 2 members of the LGBT community have commented on the 'gender neutral passport' thread within the first few posts. Unless you think that the LGBT community all are one homogeneous blob of group think who will support everything that anyone claiming to belong to the same group says or wants?

Nope. Not what I'm saying at all.

More than two will choose to stay out of the conversation though. I know I won't bother. If you want to throw out secondary meanings to my post other than what I posted... You go ahead though.

[Vicky.]

Thats exactly what you did post?! Nothing to do with secondary meanings. You basically want a section where certain points of view are not to be argued against. Fair enough, but thats nothing at all to do with LGBT people, nor would a LGBT forum be censoring the voices of anyone, and especially not LGBT people themselves. If you want to start a fanclub, please go right ahead and in that thread, negative posts will be deleted. However you also cannot post negative posts about anyone else..only positive things about your chosen fanclub topic/person.

[Vicky.]

As an aside..do people really not reply to threads in SD if the majority opinion is against them? I actually sometimes prefer it that way..can't debate with those you agree with :laugh:

[Mokka]

Thats exactly what you did post?! Nothing to do with secondary meanings. You basically want a section where certain points of view are not to be argued against. Fair enough, but thats nothing at all to do with LGBT people, nor would a LGBT forum be censoring the voices of anyone, and especially not LGBT people themselves. If you want to start a fanclub, please go right ahead and in that thread, negative posts will be deleted. However you also cannot post negative posts about anyone else..only positive things about your chosen fanclub topic/person.

Because being gay isn't up for debate. Being trans isn't up for debate. So why not have some place other than the debate section to talk about issues or ideas or problems or emotions or celebrations of that. Everywhere else on here it appears to be a debate.

Or just give the people what they really want.... a drag race subforum where this also would happen. :joker:

[Mokka]

As an aside..do people really not reply to threads in SD if the majority opinion is against them? I actually sometimes prefer it that way..can't debate with those you agree with :laugh:

Some people don't want to argue with people when nothing will result from that debate. No ones ideas or voices will change in an online thread/debate about transgender issues or even one about Donald Trump. Serious debate isn't for everyone who posts on here because not all of us want to tell the same person for the umpteenth time... the same opposite point of view.

Why do you think there are some many people who dont post in S&D... and complain about how vile it's become. It serves a purpose for a subset of people on here... and an LGBTQ forum would serve a purpose for a different subset of people on here.

[Vicky.]

I don't disagree. A drag race forum is very much needed.

However, even there would be some debate on transgender issues from what I know of the show. Hasn't there been controversy over transwomen not being able to enter, or something along those lines, as they are not the same as drag queens? Also many trans people dislike drag intensely as they feel its taking the piss out of them. Even though its not taking the piss at all, if anything, its taking the piss out of women!

[Mokka]

I don't disagree. A drag race forum is very much needed.

However, even there would be some debate on transgender issues from what I know of the show. Hasn't there been controversy over transwomen not being able to enter, or something along those lines, as they are not the same as drag queens? Also many trans people dislike drag intensely as they feel its taking the piss out of them. Even though its not taking the piss at all, if anything, its taking the piss out of women!

That was a joke btw... I didn't actually mean a drag race subforum is synonymous with an LQBTQ one. Hence the joker emote

[Vicky.]

Why do you think there are some many people who dont post in S&D... and complain about how vile it's become. It serves a purpose for a subset of people on here... and an LGBTQ forum would serve a purpose for a different subset of people on here.
But you seem to think that a LGBT forum would mean that posters from serious debates were not allowed in? Or that anything posted in there must be met with universal acceptance, when there is much arguing between the LGBT community on these issues to start with anyway. And there always will be, as lesbians, gay men, bisexual people and trans people and whatever the other letters stand for (also including allies apparently, and you could be an ally of lesbians for example, but not of another group under the umbrella) who disagree with others under the other letters, aswell as people in their own letter, on some stuff.

If you want to talk to only like minded people..who will not disagree with an anything on your chosen topic, make an invite only social group? I can't see it going to well though as people have a variety of opinions on stuff anyway, regardless of which group they belong to. But I guess you could remove access from people who dissented in any way from what you wish to be posted?

[Vicky.]

That was a joke btw... I didn't actually mean a drag race subforum is synonymous with an LQBTQ one. Hence the joker emote

Hmm. But many members of the LGBT community think that a drag race forum would be basically the same thing. See how much of an issue this is?

[Twosugars]

Don't see anything outrageous about such subforum. I'd compare it to an internet equivalent of the gay pub where everyone is welcome but LGBT people are protected and can be themselves. Like in rl there should be such a place on a forum like this

[Firewire]

No, why not ship the straights to a sub-forum instead and stop them plaguing the rest of the forum?

[Mokka]

It's all up to admin... I just weighed in on topic like everyone else in this thread did. But the whole... always the same people posting during off season... and the same type of arguments in serious debate... are things people say for a reason. Someone requested this type of subforum and many agreeded with the idea. Most of the ones who didn't aren't in the LGBTQ community. You included Vicky.
Do you want a site that grows and progresses with the changing of time? Or one that dies with the knitting club. Maybe admin want the site to end rather than change. It's a choice they can make.

Being gay or straight or trans isnt though

[Twosugars]

Hmm. But many members of the LGBT community think that a drag race forum would be basically the same thing. See how much of an issue this is?

It will happen to drag race forum if LGBT forum won't happen. Because such a space is needed. If it's not given people will huddle around a TV show subforum. But that will be out of necessity not choice

[Maru]

what does this mean, maybe ask Shaun to invite you to the Over 18 group if you need to be sexy

Sexy as in cool :love

I agree w Vicky the forum subs needs culling. Too many subs and it makes the forum activity feel very disparate, with a dwindljng userbase.

I had the idea that the sub could give the forum added depth, also a place for sexuality/relationship-related conversations... but I think some of the forum has a very dirty mind. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Don't see anything outrageous about such subforum. I'd compare it to an internet equivalent of the gay pub where everyone is welcome but LGBT people are protected and can be themselves. Like in rl there should be such a place on a forum like this

Thats basically the chat thread :laugh:

No, why not ship the straights to a sub-forum instead and stop them plaguing the rest of the forum?

Such a forum would surely be pretty lonely...the regular members are pretty much all gay/bi AFAIK :laugh:

I don't think there is the same want to discuss heterosexual sex among straight people either...like there seems to be from gay members on here. Though yes, as mentioned earlier, the pegging thread :suspect:

So basically this thread is...we want somewhere to post gay porn and discuss sexual acts in graphic detail, a drag race forum is basically the same as a LGBT forum, I want a forum where noone can disagree with my opinion, LT made a pegging thread, it would divide the forum further, and marsh being a cum guzzler. Brilliant.

[Cherie]

Sexy as in cool :love

I agree w Vicky the forum subs needs culling. Too many subs and it makes the forum activity feel very disparate, with a dwindljng userbase.

I had the idea that the sub could give the forum added depth, also a place for sexuality/relationship-related conversations... but I think some of the forum has a very dirty mind. :laugh:

well I only asked because some of the responses were about discussing sex :laugh:

[reece(:]

It's all up to admin... I just weighed in on topic like everyone else in this thread did. But the whole... always the same people posting during off season... and the same type of arguments in serious debate... are things people say for a reason. Someone requested this type of subforum and many agreeded with the idea. Most of the ones who didn't aren't in the LGBTQ community. You included Vicky.
Do you want a site that grows and progresses with the changing of time? Or one that dies with the knitting club. Maybe admin want the site to end rather than change. It's a choice they can make.

Being gay or straight or trans isnt though

Mic drop? :clap1:

[Cherie]

It's all up to admin... I just weighed in on topic like everyone else in this thread did. But the whole... always the same people posting during off season... and the same type of arguments in serious debate... are things people say for a reason. Someone requested this type of subforum and many agreeded with the idea. Most of the ones who didn't aren't in the LGBTQ community. You included Vicky.
Do you want a site that grows and progresses with the changing of time? Or one that dies with the knitting club. Maybe admin want the site to end rather than change. It's a choice they can make.

Being gay or straight or trans isnt though

why are you being so insulting, the knitting club is a reference to members over 30, straight, bi and gay, you are in it yourself luv :tongue:

[Vicky.]

Most of the ones who didn't aren't in the LGBTQ community. You included Vicky.


But thats just not true at all. I am bisexual. Which has been known for a long time on here.

I also under current labels come under a-gender. As I have no sense of being female, I just am female, which means I have no gender identity, which is 'a-gender' which comes under trans. Check stonewall. Though I don't define myself by that, its what I am, if forced to pick from one of the many labels around today.

And I didn't say I disagreed with it. I said it would not be a place where any dissenting voices (to what, what is the universal accepted LGBT opinion on anything? There isn't one) were deleted or banned. Which it wouldn't be.

[Twosugars]

Thats basically the chat thread :laugh:



Such a forum would surely be pretty lonely...the regular members are pretty much all gay/bi AFAIK :laugh:

I don't think there is the same want to discuss heterosexual sex among straight people either...like there seems to be from gay members on here. Though yes, as mentioned earlier, the pegging thread :suspect:

So basically this thread is...we want somewhere to post gay porn and discuss sexual acts in graphic detail, a drag race forum is basically the same as a LGBT forum, I want a forum where noone can disagree with my opinion, LT made a pegging thread, it would divide the forum further, and marsh being a cum guzzler. Brilliant.
If I didn't think so highly of you I'd say you are trivialising the issue in order to dismiss it.
People were joking around. I'm sure you'd censor obscenities the same way as everywhere else so that argument doesn't wash

[y.winter]

Again, I don't see any LGBT-related subject that cannot be discussed in SD or the Chat subforums.
As someone who happens to be under that category, I don't see any reason why discussing my personal issues would better be in an LGBT forum rather than in the private chat forum, where personal issues can be discussed. It's worth the same as the "straight" personal issues, whatever that is.
Someone didn't want to bake a cake of a gay couple? Fine (but not fine), let's discuss it in the SD forum because this is a serious thing to debate, which is basically the purpose of a forum. Some will agree, some will disagree, but that's how debates go and what the forum is for.
Opening a subfolder to eliminate criticism/disagreements/opinions will just put people in a bubble, a warm and cozy one, but nonetheless delusional.
And technically, most of the members just follow the "Last Posts" page and go posting in the threads they want, debates will happen about issues no matter in which subforum the thread is created - the arguments don't discriminate forums :laugh:

[Mokka]

Mic drop? :clap1:

Lol... :wink:

If I didn't think so highly of you I'd say you are trivialising the issue in order to dismiss it.
People were joking around. I'm sure you'd censor obscenities the same way as everywhere else so that argument doesn't wash

Basically this

[Vicky.]

I am not against the idea of this sub forum.

I said earlier in the thread that discussions of that nature need to go in the over 18s area (and away from the view of advertisers as theres been issues recently..and I thought we were pretty strict on whats allowed on the main forum to start with, seemingly, not enough) but I was summarizing how the thread has gone. Sorry for not being totally serious all of the time. I don't want to dismiss anything, except for the idea that a LGBT forum would be an area where noone was allowed to disagree on anything posted there, or express an opinion that differed from the OP. Which the forum would not be. If thats whats wanted, as I said, a social group would be better, invite only, and kick out anyone who dared disagree on a topic :shrug:

[Twosugars]

as I said earlier, I see it as an internet version of a gay pub, so no censoring opinions, simply creating our own space where lgbt is the norm and straights are welcome but respectful guests, same principles as any gay venue has

[Braden]

Vicky threw the first brick at Stonewall.

[Cherie]

as I said earlier, I see it as an internet version of a gay pub, so no censoring opinions, simply creating our own space where lgbt is the norm and straights are welcome but respectful guests, same principles as any gay venue has

respect should be mutual, not just given to one section of TiBB

[Cherie]

Vicky threw the first brick at Stonewall.

:joker:

[Vicky.]

as I said earlier, I see it as an internet version of a gay pub, so no censoring opinions, simply creating our own space where lgbt is the norm and straights are welcome but respectful guests, same principles as any gay venue has

Well quite. This is what it would be too. Not somewhere where voices are silenced, and definitely not one where LGBT voices are silenced by people who are not LGBT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's all up to admin... I just weighed in on topic like everyone else in this thread did. But the whole... always the same people posting during off season... and the same type of arguments in serious debate... are things people say for a reason. Someone requested this type of subforum and many agreeded with the idea. Most of the ones who didn't aren't in the LGBTQ community. You included Vicky.
Do you want a site that grows and progresses with the changing of time? Or one that dies with the knitting club. Maybe admin want the site to end rather than change. It's a choice they can make.

Being gay or straight or trans isnt though

So being on some rainbow spectrum is great and special and you get persecuted all the time on the forum but being older than average is some horrible dying thing?

how fkg rude can you get?


Its people from the knitting club that post and make threads and keep the forum active

jesus wept

:bored:

[Maru]

as I said earlier, I see it as an internet version of a gay pub, so no censoring opinions, simply creating our own space where lgbt is the norm and straights are welcome but respectful guests, same principles as any gay venue has

I wasn't suggesting a club or something like a safe space, but rather a topic area. I think that "dissenting" debates of politic variety belong in SD. However, I think ppl should be able to discuss their views without fear of an uprising simply for disagreeing, but who knows how that would really actually work. Anyway, there would be ample voices I think for those discussions than just for or against type arguments... those get old and predictable, like SD has started to become actually. (imho)

Love, Relationships & LGBT... I think something broad would keep it from focusing solely on for/against style threads. The forum would benefit from the added warmth I think... yeah..,

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wasn't suggesting a club or something like a safe space, but rather a topic area. I think that "dissenting" debates of politic variety belong in SD. However, I think ppl should be able to discuss their views without fear of an uprising simply for disagreeing, but who knows how that would really actually work. Anyway, there would be ample voices I think for those discussions than just for or against type arguments... those get old and predictable, like SD has started to become actually. (imho)

Love, Relationships & LGBT... I think something broad would keep it from focusing solely on for/against style threads. The forum would benefit from the added warmth I think... yeah..,

Just start an LBGQA appreciation thread and set rules in post 1

:shrug:

[Maru]

Just start an LBGQA appreciation thread and set rules in post 1

:shrug:

No

[Josy]

as I said earlier, I see it as an internet version of a gay pub, so no censoring opinions, simply creating our own space where lgbt is the norm and straights are welcome but respectful guests, same principles as any gay venue has

See I view this comment as already creating an attitude of divide on the forum which just isnt good for the forum overall, so a subforum would no doubt largely add to this.

I stand by my previous suggestion that any personal or advice type threads are posted in the private area and the over 18s group is used for any sexual advice or discussion within reason of course.

The whole premise of a forum is to invite debate and discussion not to create areas where some people are not allowed to do that or are made to feel unwelcome.

Its a no from me.

[Marsh.]

marsh being a cum guzzler. Brilliant.

Excuse me. :eek:

[Ashley.]

Thats basically the chat thread :laugh:

Wow. All this time I thought I was straight.

[Smithy]

I think given the replies in this thread about whats wanting to be talked about...I think an over 18 area is needed more :joker: In an LGBT+ area, there still would not be talks of anal sex and such tbh, sorry about that. If you want that, use the over 18s social group. james is a bit worried as advertisers were not impressed with some things posted on here and had to go through deleting some older stuff, so we have to be more careful.

However overall I figure it would probably be used more than some of the existing forums. Also agree with the drag race forum being basically this anyway :D

Honestly, if I had my way half of the existing subforums would be gone, serious debates would be separated from news+celeb and the subforums menu would be cleaned up a bit. Along with agreeing with the competition suggested for a new forum skin, which could be LGBT themed anyway (would be pretty at least) and a few other changes, including removal of the swear filter and huge changes to the infraction system as its clearly not working properly, and possibly some kind of donation thing where those who donate would get certain privileges (which was actually James' idea to help with the server costs if advertisers pull out but I haven't seen it mentioned again since then).

Alas, its not my forum. So this post is probably pointless except for being a bit of a rant.

Vicky4Admin!

[Marsh.]

Vicky's getting no votes from me until she explains the cum guzzling comment. :nono:

[Marsh.]

Also why is an LGBT subforum being turned into a chat thread-inspired sex fest with all kinds of mucky talk. A bit homophobic to make such assumptions?

I thought it meant just a place to put all of the LGBT based discussion and news stories/debates. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

So being on some rainbow spectrum is great and special and you get persecuted all the time on the forum but being older than average is some horrible dying thing?

how fkg rude can you get?


Its people from the knitting club that post and make threads and keep the forum active

jesus wept

:bored:

Some.

Most of them just post clapping smileys to their mates. :idc:

Not naming any names of course. :hee:

[Twosugars]

Also why is an LGBT subforum being turned into a chat thread-inspired sex fest with all kinds of mucky talk. A bit homophobic to make such assumptions?

I thought it meant just a place to put all of the LGBT based discussion and news stories/debates. :shrug:

Exactly.
Surprising amount of hostility in the poll and the thread. Apparently a LGBT space is going to divide the forum. Some straights seem to know better what we need. Plus ça change...

[Ashley.]

Its people from the knitting club that post and make threads and keep the forum active

Not really, LT... I have seen more threads created by other members than I have your "club". But because they don't adhere to your interests, in your opinion, they don't have a place on the forum.

[Marsh.]

Not really, LT... I have seen more threads created by other members than I have your "club". But because they don't adhere to your interests, in your opinion, they don't have a place on the forum.

Get him, Annalise. :clap1:

[Ashley.]

The forum should really work towards trying to make Serious Debates a platform where anybody can contribute to any discussion. I don't think minorities are represented enough in that section.

[Mokka]

Not really, LT... I have seen more threads created by other members than I have your "club". But because they don't adhere to your interests, in your opinion, they don't have a place on the forum.

:worship:

[Mokka]

Also why is an LGBT subforum being turned into a chat thread-inspired sex fest with all kinds of mucky talk. A bit homophobic to make such assumptions?

I thought it meant just a place to put all of the LGBT based discussion and news stories/debates. :shrug:

Exactly

[Cherie]

The forum should really work towards trying to make Serious Debates a platform where anybody can contribute to any discussion. I don't think minorities are represented enough in that section.

Who is stopping anyone from posting in SD? SD has become the whipping boy of TIBB, the truth is most if the people who don’t post in SD aren’t interested in politics, and that is the reason they don’t post, not because they are ‘terrified’, I don’t even know why SD it being dragged into this, if a post goes up that interests the LGBT members they post in numbers its as simple as that. If we are talking about being welcoming, how come when TiBB was going strong there had to be two chat threads to cater for different groups, people in glass houses etc ...the bottom line is admin make the decisions so blaming the ‘knitting club’ is disingeneous at best

You first thread in SD will be most welcome Ashley

[smudgie]

that's smudgie telt

:fist: the cheek of it.



:joker:

[Cherie]

Also why is an LGBT subforum being turned into a chat thread-inspired sex fest with all kinds of mucky talk. A bit homophobic to make such assumptions?

I thought it meant just a place to put all of the LGBT based discussion and news stories/debates. :shrug:


:omgno: what will SD be called Straight Debate :conf:

[Jamie89]

The pink pound is strong.

This is actually a good point. We're a forum that is going to appeal to a higher proportion of LGBT people than would be usual (which we know from the current user base), purely as a business decision, everything else aside, does it not make sense to take advantage of that? Make it more appealing to join and start posting to the types of user who might come across it? Those people aren't necessarily going to know the ins and outs of all the different sections and where LGBT topics might get discussed, and at a quick scan over the forum seeing 'LGBT forum' for a lot of people is going to generate far more interest than seeing 'serious debates' (not knocking SD but I think that's just being realistic). I think we're thinking of it too much from our point of view as existing members and what we're used to on here, and if it's 'necessary' - but even that I think misses the point, it isn't necessary at all. But it doesn't have to be necessary it just has to be something that would create more activity/interest and make it more appealing to new members, and at a time where the USP of the site is a dying RTV show that's something we should all want and something we would all benefit from as users of the site, whether you're LGBT or not.
I don't think it would create divides... it's a possibility I suppose, but do we all have to be united? I don't know, I'm not really sure what's meant by creating divides tbh as we're all so different and divided on many topics and discussions as it is and I kinda see that as a good thing. I also don't think it would be sex talk :unsure: sexuality isn't sex, and gender's a huge issue right now so there's no shortage of topics.
Anyway like I said I don't actually think it's necessary and it wouldn't change the forum much for me, instead I think it's greatest benefit would be in marketing the forum to new users (and generating more usage from current members), but that's justification enough for it imo.

[Twosugars]

Interesting points there from Jamie

[Niamh.]

I think it could be an interesting addition even though I'm already banned from there apparently [emoji23]

[Cherie]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341842&highlight=

recent user poll


Maybe real women need our own space :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some.

Most of them just post clapping smileys to their mates. :idc:

Not naming any names of course. :hee:

that is just a lazy stereotype

you know, the type of lazy stereotypes you hate..


:idc:

[Marsh.]

[/B]


:omgno: what will SD be called Straight Debate :conf:No. Let's not be silly. :nono:

[Marsh.]

that is just a lazy stereotype

you know, the type of lazy stereotypes you hate..


:idc:How can it be a stereotype?

You're not making any sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The forum should really work towards trying to make Serious Debates a platform where anybody can contribute to any discussion. I don't think minorities are represented enough in that section.

what do you mean, you rarely post there so how on earth can you make that claim?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it could be an interesting addition even though I'm already banned from there apparently [emoji23]

I think we should make it and then see just how well its populated as i think many may have an idea how it will develop..

[Twosugars]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341842&highlight=

recent user poll


Maybe real women need our own space :fan:

and why not?
these spaces are in addition to the use of the whole forum
it's not as if we don't create spaces for specific interests, a space for women or lgbt is not really that much different

[Niamh.]

I think we should make it and then see just how well its populated as i think many may have an idea how it will develop..Well it's not up to me but I do think it could be a fun addition to the forum the only issue I see so far is people seem to have very different ideas of what it should be.

[Vicky.]

There’s nothing sexy about Marsh in the morning. The cum guzzling *****

^ :laugh:
Vicky's getting no votes from me until she explains the cum guzzling comment. :nono:


Also why is an LGBT subforum being turned into a chat thread-inspired sex fest with all kinds of mucky talk. A bit homophobic to make such assumptions?

Because thats pretty much what was suggested immediately. Talk of anal sex and other such stuff.

I find it homophobic/transphobic to assume that all lgbt think alike and would agree on all topics tbh. And biphobic (is that a thing?) to be telling bisexual people that they are straight in order to try and make a point. But yeah.

I thought it meant just a place to put all of the LGBT based discussion and news stories/debates. :shrug:
Well yes, thats what it would be. Though debates are apparently not welcome..only positive posts D:

Anyway, stepping back from this thread now but yeah, am fine with the idea of this but as I said all sex talk would still need to go in the over 18s section and we would not be making it lgbt people only (not sure how to police that anyway, given some forum members we don't know their sexuality/gender anyway) and would not be removing any posts that disagreed with whatever news story or debate that was posted like was suggested, thats insane to be honest for a subforum. Fine for an appreciation thread, but never going to happen in an entire subforum.

[Cherie]

Well it's not up to me but I do think it could be a fun addition to the forum the only issue I see so far is people seem to have very different ideas of what it should be.

This is the issue really, if it could be clarified what is actually need that would be a start

Mokka seems to be looking for somewhere where people are treated with respect, although she herself used the recent ML platform to abuse SD members in one of her write ups so you know it would be nice to know what exactly is being suggested

[Cherie]

No. Let's not be silly. :nono:

I don't understand why LGBT issues can't be put in there if there are subject for debate, or if it is a news story, what is the issue?

[Twosugars]

I guess "anal sex accidents" thread is out of the question :laugh:
"recipies with cum" hm... not sure
"have you experienced homophobia in your daily life" - a goer

[Vicky.]

The forum should really work towards trying to make Serious Debates a platform where anybody can contribute to any discussion. I don't think minorities are represented enough in that section.

Just seen this and have to comment before leaving.

I tried to do this, so hard. I tried to sort out serious debates and just had it all thrown back in my face by a variety of members from all sides. It was too harsh, was biased (against everyone apparently), etc. Honestly, now I don't moderate that section at all unless I really have to as noone else is online. One of the reasons I want SD seperated from news actually. A news article that generates just yes and no answers is not a debate to me. Actual debates are so ****ing rare these days. And I used to love that section too.

[Cherie]

and why not?
these spaces are in addition to the use of the whole forum
it's not as if we don't create spaces for specific interests, a space for women or lgbt is not really that much different

Personally I don't feel the need for a space specifically for women, if I wanted that I would go on Mumnet I suppose, which I would never, I like to interact with a mixture of people and we learn from each other...sometimes :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Personally I don't feel the need for a space specifically for women, if I wanted that I would go on Mumnet I suppose, which I would never, I like to interact with a mixture of people and we learn from each other...sometimes :laugh:

but that wouldn't change, imo
things would go on as before, except some community-specific topics would be raised in the new section; stuff that is not mentioned now because lgbt people may feel awkward for it to be exposed to scepticism of straight people
surely you don't think gays etc would stop posting in sd or about their fave shows
there's nothing to be afraid of

[Crimson Dynamo]

i feel there is an awful lot of rather thinly disguised shade going on in this thread to over 30 year old straight members

like anyone who isnt is hideously persecuted and has no voice

its ridiculous

and for some reason its coming, ironically, from straight people


you could not make it up

[Cherie]

but that wouldn't change, imo
things would go on as before, except some community-specific topics would be raised in the new section; stuff that is not mentioned now because lgbt people may feel awkward for it to be exposed to scepticism of straight people
surely you don't think gays etc would stop posting in sd or about their fave shows
there's nothing to be afraid of

but it would still be exposed, as it would be on the open forum? so what you are saying is they would express whatever it is that is bothering them as long as there were no negative reactions, but homophobia is not allowed on the forum and the mods do a great job in this respect so I still don't really get it if I am honest.

[Twosugars]

Sorry Cherie, I'm done arguing for it, it won't happen here anyway. You can rest easy.

[Twosugars]

But must add I'm disappointed at the hostility such a seemingly simple concept for this day and age has uncovered.
Must wait for rpdr subforum and make that our own.

[Cherie]

Sorry Cherie, I'm done arguing for it, it won't happen here anyway. You can rest easy.

There is no resting easy, I am not really bothered if it happens or not tbf, I would just like someone to explain to me why it is needed :shrug: what I am bothered about is SD and any member over 30 is constantly dragged into things, look at the Poll! that is why I am in this thread I doubt I would have bothered otherwise, and I have already said I think there should be a Ru Paul forum, but like every other forum on TiBB it will be open to everyone who watches the TV show.

[Twosugars]

Dunno why SD got mixed up with it, it should not be in the poll.
Tbh as an over 30 gay posting in SD and chat I don't see divisions along those lines. If they exist at all, which I doubt, they get exaggerated. The only division I can detect is between conservatives and liberals, but even that doesn't hold all the time.
The fact is many LGBT would welcome own space. The question is not if you understand or not, but whether you grant it or refuse it.

[Ashley.]

what do you mean, you rarely post there so how on earth can you make that claim?

And comments like this are why I can't bloody be arsed with SD. Too many people thinking they're above everyone else, telling me that MY opinions are invalid because I'm not a regular poster. In fact, I read every single topic in that section, I just never get involved because I always seem to get some sort of backlash like this. I had a man telling me what I should and shouldn't wear in that upskirting thread and basically berating me for disagreeing. That was the final nail in the coffin.

[Cherie]

Dunno why SD got mixed up with it, it should not be in the poll.
Tbh as an over 30 gay posting in SD and chat I don't see divisions along those lines. If they exist at all, which I doubt, they get exaggerated. The only division I can detect is between conservatives and liberals, but even that doesn't hold all the time.
The fact is many LGBT would welcome own space. The question is not if you understand or not, but whether you grant it or refuse it.

Literally everytime something happens on the forum SD is mocked and brought into it, for no apparent reason, I don't think Maru meant it but she did this thread a disservice by mentioning SD in the poll and yes it was probably in fun, but it immediately created a divisive nature to the thread, honestly its getting so draining every time...the knitting club which was originally used by a member as a derogatory reference to anyone over 30 and was taken up by those members over 30 as a bit of a laugh is now being used as a stick to batter people which, as if there is a knitting club, as if LT has a gang ..... :bored:

[Tom4784]

Just seen this and have to comment before leaving.

I tried to do this, so hard. I tried to sort out serious debates and just had it all thrown back in my face by a variety of members from all sides. It was too harsh, was biased (against everyone apparently), etc. Honestly, now I don't moderate that section at all unless I really have to as noone else is online. One of the reasons I want SD seperated from news actually. A news article that generates just yes and no answers is not a debate to me. Actual debates are so ****ing rare these days. And I used to love that section too.

*reiterates my bi-monthly (ha! BI!) suggestion of throwing SD atop a burning trash heap and dancing while it burns*

We'll never get that section to a good place, if it was up to me I'd get rid of it.

[Cherie]

*reiterates my bi-monthly (ha! BI!) suggestion of throwing SD atop a burning trash heap and dancing while it burns*

We'll never get that section to a good place, if it was up to me I'd get rid of it.



Well thats nice, the forum v SD mentality is so boring at this stage, can people give it a rest at all????

[Josy]

But must add I'm disappointed at the hostility such a seemingly simple concept for this day and age has uncovered.
Must wait for rpdr subforum and make that our own.You do realise how this comment comes across? You seem to be looking for a section of the forum where only certain members are welcome, this won't happen.

[Twosugars]

You do realise how this comment comes across? You seem to be looking for a section of the forum where only certain members are welcome, this won't happen.
A gay pub like space is what I have in mind, you rejected that already. A gay pub allows everybody in while still remaining a gay pub. You see that as divisive. I doubt I am able to convince you otherwise :shrug:

[Josy]

A gay pub like space is what I have in mind, you rejected that already. A gay pub allows everybody in while still remaining a gay pub. You see that as divisive. I doubt I am able to convince you otherwise :shrug:What I see as divisive is posts that seem to want somewhere thats being described as belonging to a certain a group of people.

Why does any area of the forum have to belong to any group when the entire forum is for anyone to post in without feeling unwelcome?

[Cherie]

And comments like this are why I can't bloody be arsed with SD. Too many people thinking they're above everyone else, telling me that MY opinions are invalid because I'm not a regular poster. In fact, I read every single topic in that section, I just never get involved because I always seem to get some sort of backlash like this. I had a man telling me what I should and shouldn't wear in that upskirting thread and basically berating me for disagreeing. That was the final nail in the coffin.

I didn't post in that thread, just read it, there weren't too many agreeing with him :laugh:

[Twosugars]

What I see as divisive is posts that seem to want somewhere thats being described as belonging to a certain a group of people.

Why does any area of the forum have to belong to any group when the entire forum is for anyone to post in without feeling unwelcome?

Belonging only in a way that say sports forum belongs to sports fans ie you'd not go there and start posting about EastEnders. None of the forum really belongs to us. It belongs to the owner for as long as he pays the "lease".
As said before, everybody would be welcomed but the subforum would be a LGBT themed area.
Puzzled why you still seem interested. I thought you've already dismissed it?
It was a Maru concept originally (wouldn't say no to her version of it either).

[Josy]

Belonging only in a way that say sports forum belongs to sports fans ie you'd not go there and start posting about EastEnders. None of the forum really belongs to us. It belongs to the owner for as long as he pays the "lease".
As said before, everybody would be welcomed but the subforum would be a LGBT themed area.
Puzzled why you still seem interested. I thought you've already dismissed it?
It was a Maru concept originally (wouldn't say no to her version of it either).

I'm interested because its a discussion thread and I enjoy seeing other peoples thoughts on it.

[Twosugars]

Looks like nobody else LGBT is posting for it anymore and the opposition in the poll is rising.
Never mind, a nice dream while it lasted :shrug:
How about a drag race forum? For the show, not LGBT issues?

[Withano]

It wouldn’t be a ‘only gays allowed’ place surely. All straight people (excluding homophobes) are in the ‘lgbtqqiaap’ acronym anyway.

It will get used, and it will be popular, so i dont really understand why it shouldnt happen. We need some popular subforums.

[Josy]

Looks like nobody else LGBT is posting for it anymore and the opposition in the poll is rising.
Never mind, a nice dream while it lasted :shrug:
How about a drag race forum? For the show, not LGBT issues?I've mentioned the idea of a drag race forum to James the other day and its also been mentioned in the admin section by other mods iirc, I think a drag race forum would be a good addition but it just depends if it would be busy enough I suppose.

We are trying also to reduce subforums atm.

[Withano]

There is no resting easy, I am not really bothered if it happens or not tbf, I would just like someone to explain to me why it is needed

None of the subforums are needed, thats not the point.

[Josy]

None of the subforums are needed, thats not the point.Well it is really, why would it do the forum any good to add an area that isnt needed :shrug:

[Tom4784]

I imagine it wouldn't be any different to, say, the sports forum. People who aren't interested in sports don't post in there much but it's not like they can't.

[Withano]

Well it is really, why would it do the forum any good to add an area that isnt needed :shrug:

Which subforums are needed. I don’t think any are haha. The popular ones are wanted, not needed and this subforum is wanted too.

If there was a poll on whether SD should be a subforum, the poll would be very different to the way this one looks, but we’re keeping that.

I just can’t really find a good justification of not adding it.

[Twosugars]

I've mentioned the idea of a drag race forum to James the other day and its also been mentioned in the admin section by other mods iirc, I think a drag race forum would be a good addition but it just depends if it would be busy enough I suppose.

We are trying also to reduce subforums atm.

Thank you! Fingers crossed.

Does reduction in subforums have any specific advantages?

I suppose a reorganization may be needed from time to time
It'd be good if forum could react to changing reality tv scene if rtv is still to be the USP.
Contracting or merging underused parts and expanding or creating new ones in line with demand.

[Josy]

Which subforums are needed. I don’t think any are haha. The popular ones are wanted, not needed and this subforum is wanted too.

If there was a poll on whether SD should be a subforum, the poll would be very different to the way this one looks, but we’re keeping that.

I just can’t really find a good justification of not adding it.

Well the entire forum would be a complete mess if there was no subforums, you would have say threads about eastenders mixed up with world cup threads etc so yes most are 'needed'

Not everything thats wanted warrants adding to the forum we have to think of the overall effect it will have tbh.

[Withano]

Well the entire forum would be a complete mess if there was no subforums, you would have say threads about eastenders mixed up with world cup threads etc so yes most are 'needed'

Not everything thats wanted warrants adding to the forum we have to think of the overall effect it will have tbh.

Well, it would be a complete mess to add rpdr to general chat too? Or the lgbt forum to the music section? So in the same respect the lgbt and the rpdr subforums are needed too? That’s not much of a point tbh josy.

The overall effect would be that there will be a popular subforum where issues, triumphs and personal experiences of the lgbt community are highlighted in an appropriate and designated place.

[Marsh.]

but that wouldn't change, imo
things would go on as before, except some community-specific topics would be raised in the new section; stuff that is not mentioned now because lgbt people may feel awkward for it to be exposed to scepticism of straight people
surely you don't think gays etc would stop posting in sd or about their fave shows
there's nothing to be afraid ofI don't understand. You want it to be an LGBT safe zone ? Only those allowed in.

Erm straight people are the minority on TIBB.

[Marsh.]

I feel like a good idea for a section, LGBT related discussion is being hijacked by this ridiculous idea for a gays only chat section.

:unsure:

[Josy]

Well, it would be a complete mess to add rpdr to general chat too? Or the lgbt forum to the music section? So in the same respect the lgbt and the rpdr subforums are needed to? That’s not much of a point tbh josy.

The overall effect would be that there will be a popular subforum where issues and triumphs and personal experiences of the lgbt community are highlighted in an appropriate and designated place.

I've posted my points about why I dont think a subforum is needed throughout the thread.

Of course you think you know what effect it will have and that it will be a positive one thats due to you wanting the subforum to be created of course but thats only an opinion and doesnt make it it true.

So far I still dont see enough valid reasons to sway my original opinions on the matter

[Josy]

I don't understand. You want it to be an LGBT safe zone ? Only those allowed in.

Erm straight people are the minority on TIBB.See I agree, this is where a lot of confusion is coming from, theres been very different reasons posted for wanting it.

[Withano]

I've posted my points about why I dont think a subforum is needed throughout the thread.

Of course you think you know what effect it will have and that it will be a positive one thats due to you wanting the subforum to be created of course but thats only an opinion and doesnt make it it true.

So far I still dont see enough valid reasons to sway my original opinions on the matter

I don’t care either way personally, i voted to add it to SD for the lolz. But other people want it, and it would clearly be popular...

It is more wanted than at least half the subforums we currently have, and it will be more popular than about 90% of our subforums, so seems a bit daft not to add it.

[Cherie]

I don't understand. You want it to be an LGBT safe zone ? Only those allowed in.

Erm straight people are the minority on TIBB.

See I agree, this is where a lot of confusion is coming from, theres been very different reasons posted for wanting it.

.

[Ashley.]

I feel like a good idea for a section, LGBT related discussion is being hijacked by this ridiculous idea for a gays only chat section.

:unsure:

Yeah, I assumed the argument was whether LGBT topics should have their own section or remain in SD.

I'm just perplexed as to why my comments that SD should be more inviting to LGBT and female members rather than creating an entire new section for them, were insulted by people who also believe there's no need for a new section.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I assumed the argument was whether LGBT topics should have their own section or remain in SD.

I'm just perplexed as to why my comments that SD should be more inviting to LGBT and female members rather than creating an entire new section for them, were insulted by people who also believe there's no need for a new section.I agree with this too. SD is very hostile.

I've given up because if you offer an opinion or respond to someone else's opinion, I'm countered with "come out of the chat thread?" Etc etc. Gets tiring after a while.

A bit like on DS when you would be having a discussion and if they disagreed with you but couldn't respond to what you said they'd tell you how much longer they have been on the forum than you. As though it makes a blind bit of difference.

Not everyone who posts in that section obviously. A minority make a habit of it, however.

[Cherie]

Yeah, I assumed the argument was whether LGBT topics should have their own section or remain in SD.

I'm just perplexed as to why my comments that SD should be more inviting to LGBT and female members rather than creating an entire new section for them, were insulted by people who also believe there's no need for a new section.

How could it be made more inviting...you post a thread...you report if someone insults you what else are members to do :shrug: lay on a cold buffet ....:shrug:

[Twosugars]

I don't understand. You want it to be an LGBT safe zone ? Only those allowed in.

Erm straight people are the minority on TIBB.

No, not safe zone, the same modding rules as everywhere. Just a LGBT area really

[Cherie]

I agree with this too. SD is very hostile.

I've given up because if you offer an opinion or respond to someone else's opinion, I'm countered with "come out of the chat thread?" Etc etc. Gets tiring after a while.

A bit like on DS when you would be having a discussion and if they disagreed with you but couldn't respond to what you said they'd tell you how much longer they have been on the forum than you. As though it makes a blind bit of difference.

Not everyone who posts in that section obviously. A minority make a habit of it, however.


I really dont think you are that sensitive Marsh, for someone who likes the last word on everything :nono:

[Twosugars]

I feel like a good idea for a section, LGBT related discussion is being hijacked by this ridiculous idea for a gays only chat section.

:unsure:

No hijacking, just thinking aloud. I believe we have a similar thing in mind and it could be worked out in detail so that everyone would be happy

[Cherie]

I’m running through the handful of SD posters in my head wondering who is hostile TS i suppose could come under that umbrella :omgno: Sticks caused a storm in the upskirting thread but he had no support so why that would put anyone off is questionable

[Ashley.]

I agree with this too. SD is very hostile.

I've given up because if you offer an opinion or respond to someone else's opinion, I'm countered with "come out of the chat thread?" Etc etc. Gets tiring after a while.

A bit like on DS when you would be having a discussion and if they disagreed with you but couldn't respond to what you said they'd tell you how much longer they have been on the forum than you. As though it makes a blind bit of difference.

Not everyone who posts in that section obviously. A minority make a habit of it, however.

Yeah that's pretty much the attitude that myself and others are presented with too, all the time. Such as, when I posted in a topic a few months ago, four different members told me that I shouldn't comment because I "don't know what's going on". Like I said earlier, I read through all topics, but I only post if I feel as though I'm contributing something new to the discussion.

[Marsh.]

No, not safe zone, the same modding rules as everywhere. Just a LGBT area reallyBut you're suggesting somewhere they feel safe from the reaction of heterosexuals or somewhere that is like a fan club where no negativity allowed.

That's not a subforum it's a private group.

A subforum is simply somewhere to group discussion threads of a certain topic.

[Cherie]

Yeah that's pretty much the attitude that myself and others are presented with too, all the time. Such as, when I posted in a topic a few months ago, four different members told me that I shouldn't comment because I "don't know what's going on". Like I said earlier, I read through all topics, but I only post if I feel as though I'm contributing something new to the discussion.

Name and shame the dastardly cads

[Twosugars]

I’m running through the handful of SD posters in my head wondering who is hostile TS i suppose could come under that umbrella :omgno: Sticks caused a storm in the upskirting thread but he had no support so why that would put anyone off is questionable

to clarify, Toy Soldier? Hostile? To what?

[Marsh.]

I really dont think you are that sensitive Marsh, for someone who likes the last word on everything :nono:I'm not sensitive.

But I don't like being told I can't offer an opinion on a topic because I'm a man, or because of my age, or because I'm a regular poster in a certain section etc etc.

No need to get defensive Cherie I wasn't even thinking of you when I wrote the post.

[Alf]

Belonging only in a way that say sports forum belongs to sports fans ie you'd not go there and start posting about EastEnders. None of the forum really belongs to us. It belongs to the owner for as long as he pays the "lease".
As said before, everybody would be welcomed but the subforum would be a LGBT themed area.
Puzzled why you still seem interested. I thought you've already dismissed it?
It was a Maru concept originally (wouldn't say no to her version of it either).You can make a thread about Walford FC if you want to.

[Marsh.]

But wait I've just had my opinion dismissed again. If I reply to someone I'm trying to get the last word apparently.

And by someone who can't for the life of her see the hostility being discussed. :shrug:

[Twosugars]

But you're suggesting somewhere they feel safe from the reaction of heterosexuals or somewhere that is like a fan club where no negativity allowed.

That's not a subforum it's a private group.

A subforum is simply somewhere to group discussion threads of a certain topic.

Tbh, I didn't come to this thread with a formed concept. I was thinking aloud. I deffo don't see it as a appreciation-type thing.
Firstly, everybody would be welcome; secondly, it would be lgbt-theme threads; thirdly, it would not be either positive or negative, but constructive, so questions and discussions yes.
I think the only difference with the rest of the forum would be that lgbt stuff would be in one place. It should be enough to encourage lgbt people posting new threads they might not be ready to post in say, SD. It may seem insignificant difference, but psychologically it should be enough for it to happen, imo.

[Twosugars]

Btw, I'm sorry if my posts gave a wrong idea at any point. The trouble with this idea is that it has to be carefully thought-out and consensual. Such subforum can and has been argued both for and against quite easy. One one hand, there's some demand for it as it turns out, not overwhelming, but it exists. It wasn't called for until Maru posted something which was originally different. On the other, non-lgbt members may easily feel they are being excluded or shunned, I get that. Tbh, I honestly don't think any lgbt person here would want that.
I used the gay pub analogy bc it seemed fair to me. But I realize now it didn't occur to me it could undermine the existing chat threads which is not what should happen. So let's call it a space for current issues/lifestyle/health etc type thing about lgbt issues

[Cherie]

But wait I've just had my opinion dismissed again. If I reply to someone I'm trying to get the last word apparently.

And by someone who can't for the life of her see the hostility being discussed. :shrug:

Are you talking about me? I dont see SD as any more hostile than the chat thread can be at times :shrug: in a debate situation you have to be able to stand your ground which you know well you can do so I don’t get all this hostile stuff, its bs imo

[Twosugars]

You can make a thread about Walford FC if you want to.
:laugh:

[Cherie]

Btw, I'm sorry if my posts gave a wrong idea at any point. The trouble with this idea is that it has to be carefully thought-out and consensual. Such subforum can and has been argued both for and against quite easy. One one hand, there's some demand for it as it turns out, not overwhelming, but it exists. It wasn't called for until Maru posted something which was originally different. On the other, non-lgbt members may easily feel they are being excluded or shunned, I get that. Tbh, I honestly don't think any lgbt person here would want that.
I used the gay pub analogy bc it seemed fair to me. But I realize now it didn't occur to me it could undermine the existing chat threads which is not what should happen. So let's call it a space for current issues/lifestyle/health etc type thing about lgbt issues

See I’m not a homophobe ..just confused as to what you wanted :smug:

[Marsh.]

Are you talking about me? I dont see SD as any more hostile than the chat thread can be at times :shrug: in a debate situation you have to be able to stand your ground which you know well you can do so I don’t get all this hostile stuff, its bs imoIt's not about standing your ground in a debate Cherie. :joker:

A debate is a debate.

When I'm told I have no right to an opinion because the topic is about a woman and I'm A man or I'm simply not a "regular" as though it has any bearing on anything I will point out that it has a negative impact on who wants to even venture into that section. That's nothing to do with debates but a problem with certain areas of the forum.

Does it happen often in the chat thread? People are told they can't post in there?

Never seen that myself and in the last 6 months a tonne of new chat regulars have been posting in there. :shrug: But if you saw it happen I won't call you a liar.

[Nicky91]

It's not about standing your ground in a debate Cherie. :joker:

A debate is a debate.

When I'm told I have no right to an opinion because the topic is about a woman and I'm A man or I'm simply not a "regular" as though it has any bearing on anything I will point out that it has a negative impact on who wants to even venture into that section. That's nothing to do with debates but a problem with certain areas of the forum.

Does it happen often in the chat thread? People are told they can't post in there?

Never seen that myself and in the last 6 months a tonne of new chat regulars have been posting in there. :shrug: But if you saw it happen I won't call you a liar.


there is a rule that you must first have over 100 posts before you can post in the chat thread

[Marsh.]

there is a rule that you must first have over 100 posts before you can post in the chat threadSo?

That's a function of the forum to stop spammers and multis getting into the PRIVATE section where members share pictures etc.

[Twosugars]

See I’m not a homophobe ..just confused as to what you wanted :smug:

I never said you were a homophobe :nono:

Do you always know precisely what you want? And how you want it?:hee:

It was clear from the OP this wasn't a ready template, but an invitation to work with the idea.

[Cherie]

It's not about standing your ground in a debate Cherie. :joker:

A debate is a debate.

When I'm told I have no right to an opinion because the topic is about a woman and I'm A man or I'm simply not a "regular" as though it has any bearing on anything I will point out that it has a negative impact on who wants to even venture into that section. That's nothing to do with debates but a problem with certain areas of the forum.

Does it happen often in the chat thread? People are told they can't post in there?

Never seen that myself and in the last 6 months a tonne of new chat regulars have been posting in there. :shrug: But if you saw it happen I won't call you a liar.



No I didnt say that but not everyone is made welcome now are they?

[Cherie]

I never said you were a homophobe :nono:

Do you always know precisely what you want? And how you want it?:hee:

It was clear from the OP this wasn't a ready template, but an invitation to work with the idea.

yes :creep:

[Marsh.]

No I didnt say that but not everyone is made welcome now are they?Are they not?
In what way?

Like I said, within the last 6 month's especially the chat thread has seen an addition of several new regulars posters in that section and the mix of members posting in there daily changes often.

But, again, if you've seen this hostility and I haven't I won't call you a liar.

[Cherie]

Are they not?
In what way?

Like I said, within the last 6 month's especially the chat thread has seen an addition of several new regulars posters in that section and the mix of members posting in there daily changes often.

But, again, if you've seen this hostility and I haven't I won't call you a liar.

I don't go there very often, but then I do see threads about people leaving and they don't post in SD so I assume they have been in the chat thread, and no I am not a liar, I am a very honest person, too honest at times for my own good

[Marsh.]

I don't go there very often, but then I do see threads about people leaving and they don't post in SD so I assume they have been in the chat thread, and no I am not a liar, I am a very honest person, too honest at times for my own goodThe only places to post on the forum is SD and the chat thread? :think:

If someone's not in SD they're in the chat thread?

That's not very convincing I'm afraid.

[Cherie]

The only places to post on the forum is SD and the chat thread? :think:

If someone's not in SD they're in the chat thread?

That's not very convincing I'm afraid.

well they were made to feel unwelcome in some part of the forum that is not SD...

[Twosugars]

That wasn't Chat thread, Cherie. A BBUKfan, don't remember which one, doesn't even post there

[reece(:]

The only places to post on the forum is SD and the chat thread? :think:

If someone's not in SD they're in the chat thread?

That's not very convincing I'm afraid.

:skull: when I barely post in either...

[Cherie]

:skull: when I barely post in either...

I didn't see your leaving thread

[Marsh.]

well they were made to feel unwelcome in some part of the forum that is not SD...Well that's a separate point entirely.

That doesn't make SD any less hostile.

[y.winter]

As Ashley pointed out, people are attacked on all aspects of life in SD. There's no need in a gay safe zone (the entire forum, threads, "gay" idioms and slang quite prove it) more than there's a need in a women safe zone or for straights (which is quite a minority here). Creating a subfolder just to escape the carnage in SD is A. not dealing with the problem and getting into a bubble; B. won't mean that the arguments won't follow to the LGBT subforum. If you're being attacked for being gay or whatever, that's what reporting and bans are for.
Gay members have posted many times about gay current affairs and their personal life alongside straight posts, and there was no hostility especially in regards to personal issues - I don't see a reason why it shouldn't keep that way or why I or other gay people should do it in a different place. I personally feel uncomfortable getting a separate subforum like I'm of a different kind and my issues are not at the same level as straight issues in just a normal "private chat forum", even if the intention is positive. So they're gay - so what? Why can't it be integrated?

I stand with Marsh on this.

[Marsh.]

:skull: when I barely post in either...Poor Reece not existing.

[Marsh.]

I didn't see your leaving threadThat's not the point.

You said you don't see a poster in SD so assume they venture into the chat thread, as though posters have a choice of one or the other?

[Cherie]

That's not the point.

You said you don't see a poster in SD so assume they venture into the chat thread, as though posters have a choice of one or the other?

well I used the chat thread loosely, as in you are using SD loosely, I don't find SD hostile, I haven't seen any member make a leaving thread after venturing in there so there is obviously hostility in other areas of the forum that are not being flagged up because its just so easy to drag SD, honestly at this stage I think I am going to petition for it's closure, its members get abused regularly even in the lovey dovey ML write up threads