Big Brother USA 20 Episodes Discussion Thread - Premiere 28th of June at 1 AM (UK)

[Dominic]

also looooool so all of a sudden the final two are eligible for AFP now that Tyler's in it?

[JerseyWins]

lmaooooo Reddit is FURIOUS over this and they're complaining about how the game is BROKEN and the future of Big Brother is in JEOPARDY
They didn't lie about this part!

First Paul (twice), then Ross, now Tyler. If you play the best game, you're going to upset people, that's how the game of Big Brother works... which is starting to mean you won't win the game then, you're better off trying to win as a Johnny Mac or even a Victoria. And I like those houseguests but those aren't winning players, they're more about lucking out to the end. This is what BB is coming down to now which is a shame as it's a strategic game that includes backstabbing and that should be accounted for more in the vote. :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

also looooool so all of a sudden the final two are eligible for AFP now that Tyler's in it?
I think it's a change they've made recently as Ross won it in CBBUS (I don't know if it's the first season it's been applied but I think it's the first season a finalist won AFP)

[DrunkerThanMoses]

also looooool so all of a sudden the final two are eligible for AFP now that Tyler's in it?

Brett would have won it then... He came 2nd and hayleigh 3rd

[Macie Lightfoot]

Again, Tyler lost pretty much every single Jury vote on his own. He handled the whole Bayleigh boot week TERRIBLY that pretty much openly told her "I don't care about you or your Jury vote," and the first Juror almost always sets the tone. Rockstar followed suit as well. He strung Scottie along and came off like a twat in his goodbye message ("I HAD THE POWER APP... TELL YOUR FRIENDS" to which Scottie thankfully replied "um no" :love:) He also strung Sam along and left her feeling very hurt and then he openly called her a wildcard in his jury questions and talked about her more as a chess piece rather than a human being, and it doesn't take a genius to realize that that is a huuuuge misstep when handling her. Like Fessy's the only vote that Tyler didn't really do anything to lose, but he's a jock dumbass who is more impressed by Comp wins anyway.

The game isn't broken just because Tyler put in hella work to get to the end but didn't really put in the work to get the Jury votes. This isn't going to have a negative effect on the show. Life will go on.

[JerseyWins]

For one, that's really nitpicking at Tyler's jury management considering ALL he did in the game and how much he had to do and say to explain himself to the jurors (in such little time as well). Second, by that logic Cody should've beat Derrick in BBUS16. There's just no consistency to it which is fine but now it's starting to lean towards the worse player is going to win the show and that's more rebellion from the jury than it is rewarding for the season's conclusion. Tyler could've maybe shown more human affection towards the jury in his speech but on a lot of seasons the "I had great genuine relationships with you guys" doesn't win you the prize.

And honestly Kaycee was a deserving winner though but she played more of the "play for a duo" 2nd place game (which you criticized Cody for a ton). :shrug:

[Mokka]

I'll be honest. I was Derrick's number one fan... as you all may remember lol... and held up the banner for a great player verses a nice guy... but I didn't feel the same about Tyler as I did Derrick. When the jury was voting, my kid asked who I wanted to win... and I said if I was sticking with my tradition views... it would be the one who played everyone to get to the end, ie Tyler. But maybe it was the way he played people?? I just couldn't back him all season. I actually wanted to at first? But it nevèr happened. I was glad of the final two options... Kaycee took it

[Matthew.]

shook at a kaycee win

[Calderyon]

Kaycee the winner... wow. I´ve certainly missed a lot.

[Matthew.]

here for tyler coming back next year and getting runner up again

[Vladimir]

I'm always happy when the production's fave doesn't win! Well done KC!

[Morgan.]

I'm always happy when the production's fave doesn't win! Well done KC!

I would agree but it almost guarantees a return in the next 1-3 years and we know how Paul went

[Wizard.]

Ugh we LOVE a lesbian queen :love: I'm also thrilled how brainwashed JC, Brett and Angela didn't get their winner. KC ain't giving you nothing!

Oh and a scream and Rachel sobbing :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

For one, that's really nitpicking at Tyler's jury management considering ALL he did in the game and how much he had to do and say to explain himself to the jurors (in such little time as well). Second, by that logic Cody should've beat Derrick in BBUS16. There's just no consistency to it which is fine but now it's starting to lean towards the worse player is going to win the show and that's more rebellion from the jury than it is rewarding for the season's conclusion. Tyler could've maybe shown more human affection towards the jury in his speech but on a lot of seasons the "I had great genuine relationships with you guys" doesn't win you the prize.

And honestly Kaycee was a deserving winner though but she played more of the "play for a duo" 2nd place game (which you criticized Cody for a ton). :shrug:

It's not nitpicking because he needed those votes and didn't get them. And this is *not* a BB16 situation. Cody let Derrick manipulate him into getting his own Jury votes out before the Jury, and Derrick would schmooze each person on their way out with a let death take you speech while commanding the rest of his alliance to isolate that person. Naturally, these people felt good about Derrick and not so much about anybody else. Tyler played a good game to get to the end, but it was sloppy and his back half was all about his complacency. He doubled down on Level 6 and just isolated himself in the HOH Room with Angela while Kaycee went and had good relationships with the Jury. She was there to comfort Bayleigh after the blowup with Tyler, she treated Sam like a human being both in and out of the game, and she wasn't incredibly transparent when dealing with Scottie.

There doesn't have to be any consistency because there's no secret formula that should guarantee you the win. The Jury is composed of different people each year and formed under different circumstances. I don't know why it's hard to understand in 2018 that treating people with basic respect can go a long way.

[starry]

Two major problems I have

First I thought taking Tyler instead of JC wasn't a good game move.

Second all the stuff about being friends with everyone when from what I've heard she actually kept safe within Level 6 for much of the game and didn't relate to the other side of the house much at all. I remember Hayleigh saying as much at one point. So that was pure bull**** really.

I skipped over whatever Swaggy was saying at the end. The time allocation wasn't good in general, nothing from several of the previous HGs.

[Jack_]

for **** sake :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

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[LukeB]

for **** sake :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

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[Headie]

Kaycee winning :clap1: Best outcome from the worst case secnarios tbh.

[Headie]

Brett would have won it then... He came 2nd and hayleigh 3rd

Cute fan fiction x

[Headie]

Twitter and ex-BB alumni are so fumed @ Tyler losing, saying the jury feature of the game has been ruined forever, hard work is no longer rewarded etc. I'm screaming :joker:

[Ramsay]

Was rooting for Tyler but I'm still quite happy with a KC win but yeah they really had far too little time to talk about their game. I miss the old days when they go into detail without fear of going over time

[Wizard.]

I kind of miss the randomness of the Scales of Justice ngl and that comp went on for far too long... although I guessed 3000 seconds so maybe I would have won that won :laugh: also there were no dramatics because people were too busy hugging Swaggy whilst Julie rush read the votes.

[Headie]

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[montblanc]

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[montblanc]

am just SO happy that the vile lil furby came third and didn’t get any money :devil:

[Jack_]

I kind of miss the randomness of the Scales of Justice ngl and that comp went on for far too long... although I guessed 3000 seconds so maybe I would have won that won :laugh: also there were no dramatics because people were too busy hugging Swaggy whilst Julie rush read the votes.

I agree, I love trivia comps but not for part 3...I've always liked the jury statements element of the final HoH

And I know people have complained it's a crapshoot before, but I read a really interesting thread on Reddit about a year back where it was posited that analysing the jurors speech patterns can help you win. Apparently Ian claimed that's what he did

https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBrother/comments/53puni/pt_3_of_the_final_hoh_is_a_crapshoot_or_so_i/

[Jack_]

Whenever they ask a tiebreaker question based on seconds I always think 'well 3600 is an hour, so work it out from that'

I remembered it lasted about 58 minutes so I think my guess was 3480 lol

[Kargo]

I really enjoyed this season, I know a lot of people thought it went downhill but I can't say I feel the same way. It had its highs and lows pretty much throughout and in my opinion the best double eviction episode I've ever seen on BB US.

I guess what contributes to my feeling is the fact that I had full access to the live feeds this year and would pretty much have it rolling every night, so you could see things playing out a lot better than by just watching the HL episodes. (Though CBS blanked out more content than usual this year).

I'm already having slight withdrawal symptoms. The first thing I'd usually do coming home from work is rewind the feeds to see if I missed anything interesting. That hasn't happened to me for a long long time, perhaps the last time being BB11/UBB way back in 2010, never for a US season before.

I'm definitely satisfied with the winner. I was rooting for Tyler since the very beginning so a little disappointed that he couldn't go all the way but Kaycee was always another favourite of mine.

[starry]

Was rooting for Tyler but I'm still quite happy with a KC win but yeah they really had far too little time to talk about their game. I miss the old days when they go into detail without fear of going over time

There's no need to rush either, instead of having a filler retread penultimate episode they could have covered more of what happened, leaving more time for the last show.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Second all the stuff about being friends with everyone when from what I've heard she actually kept safe within Level 6 for much of the game and didn't relate to the other side of the house much at all. I remember Hayleigh saying as much at one point. So that was pure bull**** really.

Eh, not really, that would apply more to Tyler than anything. He did a good job in the first few weeks but then after the Hacker meeting he isolated himself even further with L6 and shunned away people like Rockstar and Bayleigh while Kaycee was there for them on a personal level.


It had its highs and lows pretty much throughout and in my opinion the best double eviction episode I've ever seen on BB US.

That just tells me that you haven't seen BB13 :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

for **** sake :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

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Twitter and ex-BB alumni are so fumed @ Tyler losing, saying the jury feature of the game has been ruined forever, hard work is no longer rewarded etc. I'm screaming :joker:
Are they lying tho?

Was rooting for Tyler but I'm still quite happy with a KC win but yeah they really had far too little time to talk about their game. I miss the old days when they go into detail without fear of going over time
Yeah every finale lately seems so rushed. I can't remember if they were longer before or not (like 2 hours instead of 1 and a half?) but they need to do something about being short on time and not giving the finalists enough time to speak.

It's not nitpicking because he needed those votes and didn't get them. And this is *not* a BB16 situation. Cody let Derrick manipulate him into getting his own Jury votes out before the Jury, and Derrick would schmooze each person on their way out with a let death take you speech while commanding the rest of his alliance to isolate that person. Naturally, these people felt good about Derrick and not so much about anybody else. Tyler played a good game to get to the end, but it was sloppy and his back half was all about his complacency. He doubled down on Level 6 and just isolated himself in the HOH Room with Angela while Kaycee went and had good relationships with the Jury. She was there to comfort Bayleigh after the blowup with Tyler, she treated Sam like a human being both in and out of the game, and she wasn't incredibly transparent when dealing with Scottie.

There doesn't have to be any consistency because there's no secret formula that should guarantee you the win. The Jury is composed of different people each year and formed under different circumstances. I don't know why it's hard to understand in 2018 that treating people with basic respect can go a long way.
It's nitpicking for reasons why he didn't get certain votes. Like Kaycee was hella sketchy and insincere at times, in her blowup with Rockstar and that whole thing with Scottie during the Scottie/Brett mystery vote.

You can make cases for anyone being shady or deserving of a bitter voter/jury especially for those who played a great game and screwed people over in the process. "Oh he never got along with Rockstar," he told Scottie to "tell his friends" etc. It's very targeted at Tyler for little parts of his game in a BIG game that was played by him. He particularly/objectively messed up on the Bayleigh vote which cost him but his relationships with the others and how he handled them on the way out wasn't that bad at alllll.

Also a bit similarly to Derrick, Tyler did compliment/praise each person on the way out pretty much while others (mainly Brett & Angela) just threw shade at them. Like even though it's not that much related to his opponent Kaycee, in theory it should've softened the blow for how they felt about Tyler while/after they left the game. I guess Derrick was just better at it idk :shrug:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Again, it really isn't nitpicking when he didn't get those votes and he needed to in order to win the damn game. Nitpicking would be pointing out that the whole one step ahead/two step ahead speech was stupid and could've easily lost him Brett's vote as well, but it didn't. He didn't give any of those jurors a reason to vote for him, so they didn't.

Even then, I don't even feel like it was a "the Jury absolutely hates Tyler so they're gonna vote for Kaycee" situation, but about the fact that Kaycee was very well-liked and Tyler was a moron for letting her get as far as she did. For all of Tyler's posturing about how taking out Brett was THE biggest move of the game, it was a really stupid one? The idea of him being a robbed mastermind becomes kind of an open and shut case when you realize that somehow, in a house with JC, Sam, Brett, and Angela, he decided "yeah I'm going to go to the end with the person who made no enemies all summer and also happens to have an insanely impressive Competition resume" and not the stank bitch, the racist pervert, the frat douche, or not the lunatic.

Honestly, and I'm sure this may sound like ~nitpicking~ but we're kind of forced into this situation when you have the annual tradition of Reddit ****ing mourning the loss of their prized pig, but Tyler's game was littered with soooooo many mistakes. Like he ****ed up a lot of the first half of the game but was able to put out his own fires, but then when we get to the endgame you have the fact that he used the DE to needlessly turf Brett of all people and in a way that could've potentially lost his jury vote, turf Sam in a way that did end up with him losing her jury vote when he easily could've forced a tie and made Angela get rid of her, and then now Tyler claims that he threw the F4 POV, which means that he willingly let Angela die when she was his easy ticket to $500,000. And nobody can even claim ignorance to the fact that Angela was hated by the jury since Scottie literally confirmed this when he came back into the house.

I don't know, I guess what it just comes down to is that I'm just continually dumbfounded the year after year, in both Big Brother AND in Survivor, we have the same thing happen over and over again where the person who didn't ruin personal relationships and was cordial and likable and treated everyone with respect ended up winning out over the person who tried to play with human chess pieces, and then we have a bunch of idiots on Facebook and Reddit yelling about how the game is BROKEN and this is setting a DANGEROUS PRECEDENT moving forward and OBVIOUSLY the best solution would be to create an electoral college system comprised of the jury, America, and a panel of former BB winners. Like........... maybe your supposed mastermind could've just played a better game? I thought we were done with **** when Russell lost twice and when Coach lost and when Domenick lost and when Danielle Reyes lost and when Paul lost and when Paul lost again and when Ross Matthews lost.

[Calderyon]

Tyler losing just confirmed that he will definitely be brought back at some point like Paul.

Who knows maybe Groddo is already planning a Big Brother USA 21: Summer of Tyler and Paul.

[Koadey]

LOL and the thought of Tyler going to F2 in BB21 and losing in a 5-4 vote.

[Kargo]

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[Macie Lightfoot]

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[JerseyWins]

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Ika seems pretty cool in video/interviews... idk why she plays up for the cameras in such an annoying way on BB :hehe:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Oh and my favorite part about my edgic chart is that Kaycee *really* could've been UTR in her first week and one of the other weeks she was MOR2, which would mean we'd have UTR overall winner :love:

[Jack_]

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He's such a ****ing troll :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

I wish they'd got him to do the backyard interviews again they were a scream

[JerseyWins]

****ing Dr. Will :joker:

He's reaching and seems like he's clearly trolling lol but she's really a great player though. She didn't take a STAND to make moves for herself but I don't think that's that big of a deal if you worked your way through the game and you were aware of what was going on despite not making the moves all/most of the time. She kind of reminds me of Godfrey a bit... lay low at first, make some good relationships with each side and position yourself well as a non-threat + with a lot of comp wins at the end in her case. And I think Godfrey was a tremendous player so that's a good comparison to have from me. It's just hard to tell how much she was just coasting with an alliance and how much was really good gameplay - but I think it's more of the latter tbh. But Tyler was simply better if you ask me. :shrug: He had a lot of the same positive attributes/gameplay as Kaycee but was actually the one making a ton of moves to get him further and in a position to win.

[Macie Lightfoot]

He wasn't in a position to win though bc Sam said she would've voted for JC over Tyler and there's a strong chance he would've gotten a lot of the Hive votes as well.

[Headie]

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Whew we love legends minus Zakiyah :love:

[DouglasS]

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Whew we love legends minus Zakiyah :love:

Four terrible housemates that all flopped

[Headie]

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[Headie]

I never noticed him mouthing "Kaycee" when Julie said it came down to Bayleigh's vote :joker: Makes it even better <3

[JerseyWins]

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[Mandie]

I kind wonder when they are going to realize just how important jury management is

I am glad America/fans dont vote on the winner. I think knowing how to properly navigate the game is half the battle and so many people don't get it.

For me personally, I am super happy Tyler didn't win it.I even struggle to understand how he won AFP

[Captain.Remy]

lmao it was so obvious she was going to win the day she evicted Angela.
Good series ended in a boring dumb way. Congrats to her.

[Headie]

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At least this confirms Tyler will never return! :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

If Cody & Jessica would possibly return together then Tyler & Angela are COMING for the Lover's Paradise season?

[JerseyWins]

Thinking back on this season and I HAD to look back at the Kaitlyn eviction :joker:

Yeah 2 & 1/2 minutes should be enough time for this? :worry:
OMG this looks SOOOO easy :laugh2:
LMFAO THIS PUZZLE :joker:
Kaitlyn sweetie... :skull:
The turning point that kind of killed this season </3

Still a GREAT season all-around but I can't help but think it could've been better if Kaitlyn stayed. Still funny seeing that Foutte side screw themselves week after week but it became a bit too one-sided tbf. If not a Kaitlyn return, they REALLY more than ever should've done a pre-jury battle back for this season. Almost any of those returns would've been drama-filled for the house. Summer of Steve 2.0? Instead we got a mild Who Flipped Clan jury battle to see who gets to go back in there with Haleigh and right back out. Dumb :joker:

I assume they just thought the second life twist would bring someone back for sure and that's why no pre-jury battle back happened which... is fair enough lol.

Idk, anyway I'm just reminiscing about this season because it was so good but had the potential to be AMAZING at the pace it had originally :(

[Matthew.]

If not a Kaitlyn return, they REALLY more than ever should've done a pre-jury battle back for this season.

no because swaggy would have won and he’s kind of one of the most insufferable houseguests ever?

[JerseyWins]

no because swaggy would have won and he’s kind of one of the most insufferable houseguests ever?
Eh kinda true just because I imagine Swayleigh would've become more and more insufferable together as was happening just before Swaggy left.

[brat.]

swaggy :drool:

[RileyH]

If Swaggy came back we would've got more of Bay :love:

[Ramsay]

Aw, Kaitlyn was so good :(

[Jason.]

This season is overrated

BB17 remains unbothered.

[brat.]

This season is overrated

BB17 remains unbothered.

18 > 17

[JerseyWins]

Honestly, 16, 17, 19 & 20 were all solid seasons (and 18 even had its moments). BBUS is in prime form :clap1:

[AarynGriesfan]

Honestly, 16, 17, 19 & 20 were all solid seasons (and 18 even had its moments). BBUS is in prime form :clap1:

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[Matthew.]

19

solid season

prime form :clap1:

i just CAN’T :bawling:

[RileyH]

19 was cute until Jody left for good :3

[RileyH]

Jess just missing jury </3

[Matthew.]

it was still pretty bad even with them in it! Jody was genuinely the only good thing going about it and that is not an exaggeration

[brat.]

18 > 17 > 16 > 19 > 20

[RileyH]

it was still pretty bad even with them in it! Jody was genuinely the only good thing going about it and that is not an exaggeration

Miss Raven deserves some appreciation

[Matthew.]

Miss Raven deserves some appreciation

she deserves bloody zilch!

[JerseyWins]

Miss Raven deserves some appreciation
And Mister Josh

18 > 17 > 16 > 19 > 20
20 > 16 >= 17 > 19 (all great) > 18 (eh)