London Mayor authorises giant orange baby Trump blimp during his visit

[Ammi]

In my head I know it's childish and disrespectful but in my heart it's also hilarious and I guess it's a bit of karma to a disrespectful man :hehe:

..yeah it is a little bit funny I have to say...but I’m not really on board with it though...not because I have any respect for the Donald or his visit at all..but more because through his political career he has thrived on any negative attention...he has played the media game of ‘any attention is good attention’ so well because he is now president...so this would be something that gives him exactly what he craves..’protests’ against him have really not hindered him at all...it would be better I think to do nothing, no reaction if you like, to his visit...for those protesters to give him the message that he’s not even worthy of their protesting time...protest about other things that are important..but Donald...hmmm no, who the heck is Donald anyway...what would he hate more than anything else, to be ignored by the protesters I would say...no welcomes, no protests...just nothing....

[bots]

..yeah it is a little bit funny I have to say...but I’m not really on board with it though...not because I have any respect for the Donald or his visit at all..but more because through his political career he has thrived on any negative attention...he has played the media game of ‘any attention is good attention’ so well because he is now president...so this would be something that gives him exactly what he craves..’protests’ against him have really not hindered him at all...it would be better I think to do nothing, no reaction if you like, to his visit...for those protesters to give him the message that he’s not even worthy of their protesting time...protest about other things that are important..but Donald...hmmm no, who the heck is Donald anyway...what would he hate more than anything else, to be ignored by the protesters I would say...no welcomes, no protests...just nothing....

Spot on Ammi

[kirklancaster]

just to say, this is a free country and one balloon won't or shouldn't reflect on the government who has nothing to do with it, besides Trump has seen it all in front of his properties in the US
get a sense of perspective, or failing that, carry on as before, just watch your blood pressure in this weather

ok, I will let you get angry in peace

It is a free country when it comes to moronic gimmicky protests about the visit to it by a serving President of our greatest ally, but not when it comes to the visit itself?

Great thinking there.

[Ammi]

...I’ve just read in another thread that if the balloon doesn’t get made, the money will be donated to charities..I’m not sure if that’s right...?...but if it is right then surely the best ‘peaceful protest’ would be not to make the balloon but instead to donate the monies to Mexican charities, which there are many of...which would surely be a ‘message to Trump’ as well but a much more long lasting and satisfying one with great practical benefits...saying we protesters support the people of Mexico...

[chuff me dizzy]

It is a free country when it comes to moronic gimmicky protests about the visit to it by a serving President of our greatest ally, but not when it comes to the visit itself?

Great thinking there.

:clap1:

[Twosugars]

getting upset by a balloon, what delicate snowflakes :hehe:

[bots]

getting upset by a balloon, what delicate snowflakes :hehe:

i'm not upset at a balloon, i'm not upset about anything. I just think it's irresponsible behaviour by the mayor. He is not representing all the people of London when he makes politically motivated choices as petty as this.

[Kazanne]

getting upset by a balloon, what delicate snowflakes :hehe:

You don't get it do you? it's NOT the balloon per-se it's what it says about us as a country, it's like we are a load of toddlers throwing our dummies out the pram because someone ,some of us don't like, is coming to visit,not everything is black and white ,there are shades of grey. I find it embarrassing ,best of it is he probably wont even see it:laugh:

[Twosugars]

chill out, Trump got worse in his own country of which he is the president
that's how western democracies work, it's not a government issue

[Twosugars]

if it goes ahead he will see it Kaz, don't you worry about it
he will see it on tv, over and over, lol

[Twosugars]

I'm simply surprised you all get so worked up about it
it's funny to read, but very surprising
you attach far too much importance to it

[Ammi]

...the thing is for me is that toddler behaviour is something Trump excels at himself...it’s something he rightfully receives much criticism for... so if the response to that...(..the protest to that in this case...)..is equally toddler-like then what does that say...that we can be like him too...and who the heck would ever want to display behaviour in any way that would be similar to him...it’s not so much that there shouldn’t be a peaceful protest as such for me but more not lowering ourselves to toddler antics like Trump does, which I feel this would be...the money has been raised to do this so why not donate it to Mexican charities...which directly sends a message to Trump as well...thank you for your visit Donald, you’ve just inspired fund raising to help the Mexican people you so want to isolate...really appreciate that, sir....

[Kazanne]

I'm simply surprised you all get so worked up about it
it's funny to read, but very surprising
you attach far too much importance to it

It IS important when we need America as a friend rather than an enemy,if he was to get into toddler mode he could pay us back big time,lets hope he doesn't do that. You don't get good things from people if you choose to disrespect them in this way.

[arista]

...the thing is for me is that toddler behaviour is something Trump excels at himself...it’s something he rightfully receives much criticism for... so if the response to that...(..the protest to that in this case...)..is equally toddler-like then what does that say...that we can be like him too...and who the heck would ever want to display behaviour in any way that would be similar to him...it’s not so much that there shouldn’t be a peaceful protest as such for me but more not lowering ourselves to toddler antics like Trump does, which I feel this would be...the money has been raised to do this so why not donate it to Mexican charities...which directly sends a message to Trump as well...thank you for your visit Donald, you’ve just inspired fund raising to help the Mexican people you so want to isolate...really appreciate that, sir....


Yes
it could back fire,
as Trump may even tweet it.

and maybe the Khan Baby
another group has crowd funded.
https://wm-pull-zone-jrgifofmw0p2vcg.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/babykhan.jpg

[Twosugars]

It IS important when we need America as a friend rather than an enemy,if he was to get into toddler mode he could pay us back big time,lets hope he doesn't do that. You don't get good things from people if you choose to disrespect them in this way.
if only you worried so much about not making enemy out of EU, bigger and closer
but never mind
Trump is not America, Kaz
he will "pay us back" big time anyway, wait until we leave the EU, good luck fighting trade war with him on our own
I hope you look forward to eating GM food and chlorinated chicken :hehe:

[arista]

Trump is the legit President of the USA
so half of America likes him.

[Twosugars]

I said I wasn't going to post here and I bloody couldn't help myself
this time that's it, I'm off

looking forward to the balloon! less than a week to go

[Kazanne]

if only you worried so much about not making enemy out of EU, bigger and closer
but never mind
Trump is not America, Kaz
he will "pay us back" big time anyway, wait until we leave the EU, good luck fighting trade war with him on our own
I hope you look forward to eating GM food and chlorinated chicken :hehe:

I'll be ok TS,I am a veggie :hee:

[arista]

I said I wasn't going to post here and I bloody couldn't help myself
this time that's it, I'm off

looking forward to the balloon! less than a week to go


yes Both balloons

[chuff me dizzy]

if it goes ahead he will see it Kaz, don't you worry about it
he will see it on tv, over and over, lol

No doubt he, like countless others will think what a lot of silly, unwashed tree hugging idiots

[chuff me dizzy]

I said I wasn't going to post here and I bloody couldn't help myself
this time that's it, I'm off

looking forward to the balloon! less than a week to go

You are getting excited by a balloon ? you need to get out more love :joker:

[Withano]

‘American idiot’ by Greenday is in the itunes top 10 :think:

[Kizzy]

..yeah it is a little bit funny I have to say...but I’m not really on board with it though...not because I have any respect for the Donald or his visit at all..but more because through his political career he has thrived on any negative attention...he has played the media game of ‘any attention is good attention’ so well because he is now president...so this would be something that gives him exactly what he craves..’protests’ against him have really not hindered him at all...it would be better I think to do nothing, no reaction if you like, to his visit...for those protesters to give him the message that he’s not even worthy of their protesting time...protest about other things that are important..but Donald...hmmm no, who the heck is Donald anyway...what would he hate more than anything else, to be ignored by the protesters I would say...no welcomes, no protests...just nothing....

I disagree, it would be seen as either acceptance or worse allegiance to the march of the bigot.
That or defeat... This country has a proud herritage of protestation we make ourselves heard when we need to from the suffragettes to the Jarrow marchers to the CND marches to the poll tax riots.

Nothing was ever accomplished by saying and doing nothing.

[Kizzy]

No doubt he, like countless others will think what a lot of silly, unwashed tree hugging idiots

You got something against trees now?... :/

[Tom4784]

You don't get it do you? it's NOT the balloon per-se it's what it says about us as a country, it's like we are a load of toddlers throwing our dummies out the pram because someone ,some of us don't like, is coming to visit,not everything is black and white ,there are shades of grey. I find it embarrassing ,best of it is he probably wont even see it:laugh:

But then what do you have to say about the Sadiq balloon in response? Are you opposed to that or just when it's someone you like?

[Kazanne]

But then what do you have to say about the Sadiq balloon in response? Are you opposed to that or just when it's someone you like?

When did I ever say I liked Trump :shrug: I think they are are both stupid ideas, it's childish imo.

[Tom4784]

If there's no health and safety concerns then I see no issue with either balloon. Whether or not it's childish doesn't matter one bit, it's their right to protest how they see fit as long as no one gets hurt.

[Brillopad]

If there's no health and safety concerns then I see no issue with either balloon. Whether or not it's childish doesn't matter one bit, it's their right to protest how they see fit as long as no one gets hurt.

Yep - it’s their right to makes arses of themselves. They must be used to it by now!

[Vicky.]

Wouldn't be opposed to a whole nursery full of random baby politicians tbh. Childish, yes of course. As is the American Idiot thing. But..its peaceful.

What I really have found very interesting about this whole thing is the reaction of a few people who are usually all super 'freedom of speech!' and such. All of a sudden, freedom of speech/expression is NOT whats wanted, what is being called for are bans on songs being sold/streamed, bans on ideas such as this (did I mention childish?! :laugh: ) baloon...apparently marching is pointless as it changes nothing..when only weeks back there were calls for protest marches because someone who had broken the law got locked up...and so on.

Yesterday it was only one guy I saw kicking off badly about this. Now there are a few of them, they are getting very irrate at the sheer gall of anyone to disagree with them, oddly enough. I do tend to find its usually left wing people wanting to control how others speak/think, but because Trump is involved..suddenly banning stuff is the best plan of action from those who are usually opposed to the nanny state stuff.

All very odd.

None of the above is about people on here, though a similar reaction seems to be going on here too I guess.

[Kazanne]

Peaceful protests are fine,I just find the balloon thing quite embarrassing for the country,and what it conveys to other countries about us,plus at the end of the day will it change anything ? it certainly wont change Trump he will probably just have more distain for us, so who is it for really ? but it's not the blimp that has annoyed some people ,but the fact the mayor of London has sanctioned it,he is supposed to be a figure worthy of respect isn't he? I am sure he would not have sanctioned one of Mohammed floating about as a fun figure. Some people don't like Trump that is fair enough,but are we going to waste money on loads of these things everytime we don't like someone, and will we be allowed?

[Brillopad]

Peaceful protests are fine,I just find the balloon thing quite embarrassing for the country,and what it conveys to other countries about us,plus at the end of the day will it change anything ? it certainly wont change Trump he will probably just have more distain for us, so who is it for really ? but it's not the blimp that has annoyed some people ,but the fact the mayor of London has sanctioned it,he is supposed to be a figure worthy of respect isn't he? I am sure he would not have sanctioned one of Mohammed floating about as a fun figure. Some people don't like Trump that is fair enough,but are we going to waste money on loads of these things everytime we don't like someone, and will we be allowed?

I think some people are missing the point entirely as it has nothing to do with free speech and more to do with childish tantrums. Their little protests won’t make one jot of difference to Trrump being President and just shows they havre more in common with him than they would ever care to admit. And yes Khan is more the issue as he is using his position to do the same.

If the childish Ttump is a laughing stock so are his haters who it seems would rather take the puerile position of ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’. Some achiement. :rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

I think some people are missing the point entirely as it has nothing to do with free speech and more to do with childish tantrums. Their little protests won’t make one jot of difference to Trrump being President and just shows they havre more in common with him than they would ever care to admit. And yes Khan is more the issue as he is using his position to do the same.

If the childish Ttump is a laughing stock so are his haters who it seems would rather take the puerile position of ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’. Some achiement. :rolleyes:

Hi brillo ,yes I agree,it's all very silly and a waste of time and money, give that money to charity.

[Gusto Brunt]

Mayor Khan is a big kid himself for allowing this stupid thing to fly above Parliament.

He needs to grow up and stop criticising and sniping at Trump. It's not Trump that's looking bad, it's Khan. He's an embarrassment. No other country in the world would allow this. Not even North Korea.

Khan needs to work on stopping gun crime, the idiot he is. He infuriates me. :mad:

I just hope someone in the crowd fires a dart at the ballon and it slowly goes down.

Waste of money. It just goes to show how low these idiots who hate Trump will go. To actually spend £18,000 on that monstrosity. How about giving that money to charity to help the people they say Trump's policies affect, like refugees.

Oh no, they'd rather spend EIGHTEEN GRAND on that.

[Kazanne]

Mayor Khan is a big kid himself for allowing this stupid thing to fly above Parliament.

He needs to grow up and stop criticising and sniping at Trump. It's not Trump that's looking bad, it's Khan. He's an embarrassment. No other country in the world would allow this. Not even North Korea.

Khan needs to work on stopping gun crime, the idiot he is. He infuriates me. :mad:

I just hope someone in the crowd fires a dart at the ballon and it slowly goes down.

Waste of money. It just goes to show how low these idiots who hate Trump will go. To actually spend £18,000 on that monstrosity. How about giving that money to charity to help the people they say Trump's policies affect, like refugees.

Oh no, they'd rather spend EIGHTEEN GRAND on that.

18 grand !!! bloody hell that's obscene,Gusto, I am sure the NHS could use that.:clap1::clap1:

[Brillopad]

Let’s see how ‘peaceful’ it will actually be. The whole thing will give a lot of groups a good excuse to cause mayhem - maybe worse. I know I wom’t Be going anywhere near it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If there's no health and safety concerns then I see no issue with either balloon. Whether or not it's childish doesn't matter one bit, it's their right to protest how they see fit as long as no one gets hurt.

Its not a protest, its trolling by kids?

[Ammi]

I disagree, it would be seen as either acceptance or worse allegiance to the march of the bigot.
That or defeat... This country has a proud herritage of protestation we make ourselves heard when we need to from the suffragettes to the Jarrow marchers to the CND marches to the poll tax riots.

Nothing was ever accomplished by saying and doing nothing.

..yeah well there is that as well, Kizzy...that it would be a kind of ‘acceptance’ to do nothing and ignore his visit, type thing...that is a very good point...I guess for me it was more the type of protest being more like ‘Trump behaviour’ so to rise above how he typically behaves...?...but maybe another way of looking at that as well is to give him the message in language or ways he understands with his own behaviour...which would be something like this, the balloon...it is peaceful and it is a protest so yeah, why not...

[Ammi]

...Sadiq Khan couldn’t really do right for doing wrong, whatever he did would have been criticised...was he to say, no you can’t do that I absolutely forbid it...and take away a nation’s right to peacefully protest, to against the values of our democracies...or say yes, if it passes health and safety etc and is deemed ok, then go ahead...and they get ‘threatened’ with having a mocking balloon of himself as well because he should have removed the right to peaceful protest and should have banned..:laugh:...poor guy, who would be Mayor with choices like that...damned if you do, damned if you don’t...

[Ammi]

...I think the reasons for the feelings against Trump as opposed to other leaders as well is that his country’s ethos is democracy ...while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship...nothing that other US presidents have displayed before...



....it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself...but he’s fine to encourage prejudice against Mexican people...

[Crimson Dynamo]

...I think the reasons for the feelings against Trump as opposed to other leaders as well is that his country’s ethos is democracy ...while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship...nothing that other US presidents have displayed before...



....it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself...but he’s fine to encourage prejudice against Mexican people...

"while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship"


that will be news to the American political system, what nonsense


."it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself"

There is no evidence that he will see it or be bothered by it, unless you have some?

[Withano]

I think some people are missing the point entirely as it has nothing to do with free speech and more to do with childish tantrums. Their little protests won’t make one jot of difference to Trrump being President and just shows they havre more in common with him than they would ever care to admit. And yes Khan is more the issue as he is using his position to do the same.

If the childish Ttump is a laughing stock so are his haters who it seems would rather take the puerile position of ‘if you can’t beat em, join em’. Some achiement. :rolleyes:

Wait. What do you mean this balloon wont stop his presidency? That doesnt sound right.

[Gusto Brunt]

18 grand !!! bloody hell that's obscene,Gusto, I am sure the NHS could use that.:clap1::clap1:

Totally. And what will they do when it's all over, probably bin it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Mayor Khan is a big kid himself for allowing this stupid thing to fly above Parliament.

He needs to grow up and stop criticising and sniping at Trump. It's not Trump that's looking bad, it's Khan. He's an embarrassment. No other country in the world would allow this. Not even North Korea.

Khan needs to work on stopping gun crime, the idiot he is. He infuriates me. :mad:

I just hope someone in the crowd fires a dart at the ballon and it slowly goes down.

Waste of money. It just goes to show how low these idiots who hate Trump will go. To actually spend £18,000 on that monstrosity. How about giving that money to charity to help the people they say Trump's policies affect, like refugees.

Oh no, they'd rather spend EIGHTEEN GRAND on that.

The truth Gusto !!

[The Slim Reaper]

"while he himself has values that are more akin to dictatorship"


that will be news to the American political system, what nonsense


."it’s funny that he might get all out of place and offended by a balloon image of himself"

There is no evidence that he will see it or be bothered by it, unless you have some?

How so? America is not immune to authoritarianism just like any other country. The systems in place in the US have been wiped away and ignored by trump and the party supporting him. His calls for political opponents to be jailed, his constant attacks on a free press, using the country to enrich himself personally while in office, and his attacks on law enforcement are all signs and key indicators of an authoritarian. The fact he is being helped by a party thirsty for power, rather than trying to help it's citizens is how these things really start moving along.

[Vicky.]

...Sadiq Khan couldn’t really do right for doing wrong, whatever he did would have been criticised...was he to say, no you can’t do that I absolutely forbid it...and take away a nation’s right to peacefully protest, to against the values of our democracies...or say yes, if it passes health and safety etc and is deemed ok, then go ahead...and they get ‘threatened’ with having a mocking balloon of himself as well because he should have removed the right to peaceful protest and should have banned..:laugh:...poor guy, who would be Mayor with choices like that...damned if you do, damned if you don’t...
Yup, also a good point :laugh:

I don't much care either way to be honest, protest or no protest, it won't affect me. I am just findng the reaction of some really amusing. Pointing out to this guy who only a few weeks back was posting about the Tommy Robinson protest and how everyone should go to it..and also how everyone should sign the petition (nether of which would actually have any affect, same as this really) about how he and he alone should not be prosecuted for breaking the law, for reasons unknown...led to me being called a 'far left prick' :laugh: I would say I am pretty centre these days, used to be more left wing (though never far left)...but haven't been for a while now. The 'prick' part may well be true, he is entitled to his opinion after all :D

I kind of hope Khan does sanction the baby Khan blimp also, if it actually happens. THough if he does, then it will be 'oh he hadno choice so he had to' and such. Again, something he cannot really win on.

Finally, I am certainly no fan of Khan, he behaves likea child fairly regularly and I don't think he is right for the job at all. However, I accept that he was voted in and people do want him. Kind of similar to Trump, though Khan actually got the most votes.

[user104658]

Totally. And what will they do when it's all over, probably bin it.

Attach a fleshlight for an arsehole, giant inflatable trump sex doll.

Just throwing ideas around.

[Brillopad]

Yup, also a good point :laugh:

I don't much care either way to be honest, protest or no protest, it won't affect me. I am just findng the reaction of some really amusing. Pointing out to this guy who only a few weeks back was posting about the Tommy Robinson protest and how everyone should go to it..and also how everyone should sign the petition (nether of which would actually have any affect, same as this really) about how he and he alone should not be prosecuted for breaking the law, for reasons unknown...led to me being called a 'far left prick' :laugh: I would say I am pretty centre these days, used to be more left wing (though never far left)...but haven't been for a while now. The 'prick' part may well be true, he is entitled to his opinion after all :D

I kind of hope Khan does sanction the baby Khan blimp also, if it actually happens. THough if he does, then it will be 'oh he hadno choice so he had to' and such. Again, something he cannot really win on.

Finally, I am certainly no fan of Khan, he behaves likea child fairly regularly and I don't think he is right for the job at all. However, I accept that he was voted in and people do want him. Kind of similar to Trump, though Khan actually got the most votes.

Khan is a figurehead - no more. Simply a case of positive discrimination. :nono:

[user104658]

Khan is a figurehead - no more. Simply a case of positive discrimination. :nono:

Positive discrimination? :think: He was democratically elected, not hired by a panel. How can it be positive discrimination?

Unless you're saying that democracy is flawed.

...But surely not.

Surely democracy isn't right for Brexit, and Trump, and the "no" Scottish indy result, and yet

"for some reason"

incorrect when a Muslim... brownface... someone you don't like is elected as London mayor?

[Brillopad]

Positive discrimination? :think: He was democratically elected, not hired by a panel. How can it be positive discrimination?

Unless you're saying that democracy is flawed.

...But surely not.

Surely democracy isn't right for Brexit, and Trump, and the "no" Scottish indy result, and yet

"for some reason"

incorrect when a Muslim... brownface... someone you don't like is elected as London mayor?

His actions as Major are proof positive - so you can keep your insinuations and send em where the sun don’t shine! Won’t shut me up, :hee:

[Vicky.]

Khan is an elected mayor. He wasn't just handpicked by a random panel or whatever, so I don't get how him being mayor can be positive discrimination? Maybe I am just not understanding it all properly, can you explain it to me brillo please? Might be a bit too early for me yet :laugh:

[Brillopad]

Khan is an elected mayor. He wasn't just handpicked by a random panel or whatever, so I don't get how him being mayor can be positive discrimination? Maybe I am just not understanding it all properly, can you explain it to me brillo please? Might be a bit too early for me yet :laugh:

Oh come on with all the PC thinking in our society currently it’s not such a leap that the ‘vote’ was engineered/encouraged in certain circles.

[user104658]

Oh come on with all the PC thinking in our society currently it’s not such a leap that the ‘vote’ was engineered/encouraged in certain circles.

...But you cry foul every time someone says the same thing about Brexit, and decry anyone who doesn't like the Brexit result as being "against democracy!!"

Honestly, you need to pick a stance and stop holding such contradictory opinions. I personally do believe that most "democratic" votes these days are socially engineered and manipulated, so I can even agree that it's possible that Khan is where he is because the right people thought it was the right move. BUT if you believe that, you also have to be open to the idea that the "Leave" Brexit result was ALSO engineered and manipulated by certain interested parties / propaganda, and that "remoaners" have a legitimate complaint about the result. Likewise the US presidential result. That's all I'm saying. By all means criticise democracy, but don't then go into other threads on other topics insisting that it's beyond criticism :think:.

[Vicky.]

PC thinking? Erm..ok then :umm2:

Do you have any reason to believe the vote was engineered, and how on earth did 'they' (assuming there is an ominous they...) pull it off?

[Brillopad]

...But you cry foul every time someone says the same thing about Brexit, and decry anyone who doesn't like the Brexit result as being "against democracy!!"

Honestly, you need to pick a stance and stop holding such contradictory opinions. I personally do believe that most "democratic" votes these days are socially engineered and manipulated, so I can even agree that it's possible that Khan is where he is because the right people thought it was the right move. BUT if you believe that, you also have to be open to the idea that the "Leave" Brexit result was ALSO engineered and manipulated by certain interested parties / propaganda, and that "remoaners" have a legitimate complaint about the result. Likewise the US presidential result. That's all I'm saying. By all means criticise democracy, but don't then go into other threads on other topics insisting that it's beyond criticism :think:.

Fair point - but the election of the London Major was smaller and less significant than Brexit and I would imagine more manipulateable for a variety of reasons.

In the much less likely scenario that the Brexit vote could have been ‘interferred with’ I would have no feelings for the remainers as I have no doubts, judging by the constant attempts to overturn it, they would have endorsed such actions wholeheartedly if the boot were on the other foot.

However I don’t believe Brexit was engineered - I actually believed it would be the other way round. But I think because people had been pushed too far on certain issues and had had enough - the vote, in part a protest vote, won the day. Still very much a democratic vote! :hee:

[Brillopad]

PC thinking? Erm..ok then :umm2:

Do you have any reason to believe the vote was engineered, and how on earth did 'they' (assuming there is an ominous they...) pull it off?

Although I have some understanding of the Why’s Vicky - I have little idea on the How’s - I have no such powers. For those that do I wouldn’t imagine it would be very difficult. But an understanding of one does not preclude you from having an opinion on the other!

[Vicky.]

Hmm I guess not. Just seemed a fairly random accusation. And the PC thinking thing annoyed me, I am probably one of the least politically correct people on here :laugh: I don't really care if my opinions are seen as 'acceptable' or not. And I seem to annoy SJWs an awful lot too, which says I am certainly not 'PC' :D

[Brillopad]

Hmm I guess not. Just seemed a fairly random accusation. And the PC thinking thing annoyed me, I am probably one of the least politically correct people on here :laugh: I don't really care if my opinions are seen as 'acceptable' or not. And I seem to annoy SJWs an awful lot too, which says I am certainly not 'PC' :D

But I was referring to those that either are or ohers that, for political, idealistic or even financial reasons, decided it would be an appropriate choice and were in a position to make it happen.

[Northern Monkey]

Tbf London didn’t need positive discrimination to get Sadiq as their poster boy.It’s like the most multicultural city in the world or something.

[Brillopad]

Tbf London didn’t need positive discrimination to get Sadiq as their poster boy.It’s like the most multicultural city in the world or something.

Quite!

[Kizzy]

Tbf London didn’t need positive discrimination to get Sadiq as their poster boy.It’s like the most multicultural city in the world or something.

Hang on are you saying London isn't white enough for him not to have been elected?

[Kazanne]

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/07/10/sadiq-khan-defends-trump-baby-blimp-protest-near-parliament/

I love it when Piers makes them answer those awkward questions.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hang on are you saying London isn't white enough for him not to have been elected?

Yes thats right

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/07/10/sadiq-khan-defends-trump-baby-blimp-protest-near-parliament/

I love it when Piers makes them answer those awkward questions.

Once again Piers is spot on !! what an arrogant little **** Khan is :rant:

[Nicky91]

Once again Piers is spot on !! what an arrogant little **** Khan is :rant:

yes, Khan definitely comes over arrogant to me as well

[Matthew.]

i like Piers Morgan a lot but today i have to say i thought he was unfair on Sadiq Khan. Didn’t let him have a word in edgeways and he seemed quite intimidating if i’m honest

[Livia]

Tbf London didn’t need positive discrimination to get Sadiq as their poster boy.It’s like the most multicultural city in the world or something.

True. White indigenous people have been driven out to Essex and other surrounding counties if they want to live in their own communities. Anyone who thinks that isn't true doesn't live in London. My borough, Newham, was the first borough in the country where incomers outnumbered the indigenous people by more than 50%. Now that figure is nearing a massive 90%. The whole white working class culture of east London is dead. A memorial to people who died in the Blitz is regularly defaced with Islamic messages... says it all, really.

When I was a kid it was a mad ethnic mix and I loved it. But it isn't a mix anymore. The only option was to move out because if any white person complained, they'd be called a racist. As I will probably be in replies to this.

[kirklancaster]

True. White indigenous people have been driven out to Essex and other surrounding counties if they want to live in their own communities. Anyone who thinks that isn't true doesn't live in London. My borough, Newham, was the first borough in the country where incomers outnumbered the indigenous people by more than 50%. Now that figure is nearing a massive 90%. The whole white working class culture of east London is dead. A memorial to people who died in the Blitz is regularly defaced with Islamic messages... says it all, really.

When I was a kid it was a mad ethnic mix and I loved it. But it isn't a mix anymore. The only option was to move out because if any white person complained, they'd be called a racist. As I will probably be in replies to this.

Is this the 'Usurpation Not Integration' which this old 'Racist', 'Xenophobe', 'Islamophobe', WARNED about in several lengthy posts a few years ago?

[chuff me dizzy]

True. White indigenous people have been driven out to Essex and other surrounding counties if they want to live in their own communities. Anyone who thinks that isn't true doesn't live in London. My borough, Newham, was the first borough in the country where incomers outnumbered the indigenous people by more than 50%. Now that figure is nearing a massive 90%. The whole white working class culture of east London is dead. A memorial to people who died in the Blitz is regularly defaced with Islamic messages... says it all, really.

When I was a kid it was a mad ethnic mix and I loved it. But it isn't a mix anymore. The only option was to move out because if any white person complained, they'd be called a racist. As I will probably be in replies to this.

We have areas in our town that are no go areas for the people born here, the Romanians have taken them over and turn the areas into little Bronx's

[kirklancaster]

Hang on are you saying London isn't white enough for him not to have been elected?

London is a 'Foreign' country run by once ethnic 'minorities' for once ethnic 'minorities' and being 'white' or otherwise has NOTHING to do with these facts.

[arista]

i like Piers Morgan a lot but today i have to say i thought he was unfair on Sadiq Khan. Didn’t let him have a word in edgeways and he seemed quite intimidating if i’m honest


Sadiq stayed on the show
for 30mins extra.

He got on all all right, in the end
and said he will be back on
GMBHD itv on friday

[Matthew.]

Sadiq stayed on the show
for 30mins extra.

He got on all all right, in the end
and said he will be back on
GMBHD itv on friday

yeah i saw that, but in that extra 30 minutes they barely spoke to him and when they did, it was about football

[arista]

yeah i saw that, but in that extra 30 minutes they barely spoke to him and when they did, it was about football

And a brief bit on Politics
General election etc.

[Nicky91]

London is a 'Foreign' country run by once ethnic 'minorities' for once ethnic 'minorities' and being 'white' or otherwise has NOTHING to do with these facts.

Rotterdam is now also being run by ethnic 'minorities' with a moroccan mayor Aboutaleb, but i quite like him he's decent and he cares about all people who live in his city


i think Khan also done good things, such as keeping the people to stay calm after the manchester terror attacks, the grenfell fire


everyone just has it's good and bad things about them

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rotterdam is now also being run by ethnic 'minorities' with a moroccan mayor Aboutaleb, but i quite like him he's decent and he cares about all people who live in his city


i think Khan also done good things, such as keeping the people to stay calm after the manchester terror attacks, the grenfell fire


everyone just has it's good and bad things about them

manchester is not in london :conf:

[Cherie]

Rotterdam is now also being run by ethnic 'minorities' with a moroccan mayor Aboutaleb, but i quite like him he's decent and he cares about all people who live in his city


i think Khan also done good things, such as keeping the people to stay calm after the manchester terror attacks, the grenfell fire


everyone just has it's good and bad things about them

I can't say I saw Khan at Grenfell at all, maybe I missed it, and Manchester has its own Mayor.

[Nicky91]

manchester is not in london :conf:

and yet Khan was the one who was telling people to remain calm, and i'm not lying i've heard that, on BBC Breakfast i thought immediately after those attacks

[Crimson Dynamo]

and yet Khan was the one who was telling people to remain calm, and i'm not lying i've heard that, on BBC Breakfast i thought immediately after those attacks

and what is the alternative to that advice"?

he may as well have told people to keep breathing

what a load of old tosh

[Matthew.]

and what is the alternative to that advice"?

he may as well have told people to keep breathing

what a load of old tosh

:joker:

[Beso]

I can't say I saw Khan at Grenfell at all, maybe I missed it, and Manchester has its own Mayor.

A mayor whos "we wont lie down" speeches after the manchester attacks could be blamed for a 200 percent rise in hate crimes over the following year.

[Kazanne]

True. White indigenous people have been driven out to Essex and other surrounding counties if they want to live in their own communities. Anyone who thinks that isn't true doesn't live in London. My borough, Newham, was the first borough in the country where incomers outnumbered the indigenous people by more than 50%. Now that figure is nearing a massive 90%. The whole white working class culture of east London is dead. A memorial to people who died in the Blitz is regularly defaced with Islamic messages... says it all, really.

When I was a kid it was a mad ethnic mix and I loved it. But it isn't a mix anymore. The only option was to move out because if any white person complained, they'd be called a racist. As I will probably be in replies to this.

It's the same in some parts of Birmingham Livia and I guess a few other places, there are more mosques than churches, most of the shops and schools have very few white people compared to years ago, I have relatives there who although they love the place have now decided to move out as in some places it's a no go area,and this is why people worry about immigration being out of control nothing to do with racism,they are losing their heritage and traditions.

[Brillopad]

It's the same in some parts of Birmingham Livia and I guess a few other places, there are more mosques than churches, most of the shops and schools have very few white people compared to years ago, I have relatives there who although they love the place have now decided to move out as in some places it's a no go area,and this is why people worry about immigration being out of control nothing to do with racism,they are losing their heritage and traditions.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/370013/White-Britons-are-now-a-minority-in-4-towns-and-cities

And some people on here who said it could never happen demonstrate a lack of understanding of simple maths. :shrug:

[Tom4784]

It's the same in some parts of Birmingham Livia and I guess a few other places, there are more mosques than churches, most of the shops and schools have very few white people compared to years ago, I have relatives there who although they love the place have now decided to move out as in some places it's a no go area,and this is why people worry about immigration being out of control nothing to do with racism,they are losing their heritage and traditions.

That's simply not true. That whole narrative is just pure white people fear mongering. I live right next to Birmingham, I hate it and would have no reason to defend it but it's not like that at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's simply not true. That whole narrative is just pure white people fear mongering. I live right next to Birmingham, I hate it and would have no reason to defend it but it's not like that at all.

i was in Coventry recently and it ws just like that, bloody awful and incongruous to the rest of the UK.

a mess

[Tom4784]

i was in Coventry recently and it ws just like that, bloody awful and incongruous to the rest of the UK.

a mess

hmm.

[Kazanne]

That's simply not true. That whole narrative is just pure white people fear mongering. I live right next to Birmingham, I hate it and would have no reason to defend it but it's not like that at all.

Yes it IS like that,try Sparkbrook and out lying areas,my relatives lived in Sheldon,used to be lovely it's a ****hole now,there ARE NO GO areas fact.

[Tom4784]

Nah, that's just white fear speaking.

There are no 'no go areas'.

[Kazanne]

Nah, that's just white fear speaking.

There are no 'no go areas'.

You can say that over and over it doesn't make it true, so we will have to agree to disagree,

[Brillopad]

Nah, that's just white fear speaking.

There are no 'no go areas'.

Blinkered vision.

[Tom4784]

You can say that over and over it doesn't make it true, so we will have to agree to disagree,

No we don't because what you're saying just doesn't happen. Explain to me how it happens because anybody I've ever met that are all like' THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!' has never been able to logically explain their point because it's just not logical.

[Kazanne]

No we don't because what you're saying just doesn't happen. Explain to me how it happens because anybody I've ever met that are all like' THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!' has never been able to logically explain their point because it's just not logical.

No one said the muslims are taking over,God knows why that was put in capitals,but if your eyesight is good it's not hard to see how Birmingham has changed over the years, white people just do not walk around at night in certain places like Aston,Lozells,Handworth ,Sparkbrook,Try Dolobran road !!!,I know it's true so I have no more to say on this.

[Tom4784]

No one said the muslims are taking over,God knows why that was put in capitals,but if your eyesight is good it's not hard to see how Birmingham has changed over the years, white people just do not walk around at night in certain places like Aston,Lozells,Handworth ,Sparkbrook,Try Dolobran road !!!,I know it's true so I have no more to say on this.

I like how your argument basically comes down to 'When I go to Birmingham, I see as many black and brown faces as I do white faces, it's obviously not safe for white people anymore'.

People don't walk around most of the areas you listed because of the crime, Aston and Handsworth is known for it in particular. I've walked around Lozells plenty of times without trouble.

There's a difference between an area being a 'no go zone' for white people and certain white people being uncomfortable because other races make them feel that way.

[Kazanne]

I like how your argument basically comes down to 'When I go to Birmingham, I see as many black and brown faces as I do white faces, it's obviously not safe for white people anymore'.

People don't walk around most of the areas you listed because of the crime, Aston and Handsworth is known for it in particular. I've walked around Lozells plenty of times without trouble.

There's a difference between an area being a 'no go zone' for white people and certain white people being uncomfortable because other races make them feel that way.

I have already stated I have relatives there , one lot who have decided to move away,I know what I see, so I disagree with your interpretation of Birmingham.

[Tom4784]

I have already stated I have relatives there , one lot who have decided to move away,I know what I see, so I disagree with your interpretation of Birmingham.

Sounds to me like they're uncomfortable with people from other races.

Your flawed anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much when you're trying to say there are no go zones based on race when there isn't. That is simply a falsity, not an opinion that we can agree to disagree on.

[Marsh.]

"There's more mosques than churches!!!!"

So? Do you use these churches you're suddenly so concerned about?

And brown people running shops. Oh my god. AN OUTRAGE!!!

[Oliver_W]

Sounds to me like they're uncomfortable with people from other races.

Your flawed anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much when you're trying to say there are no go zones based on race when there isn't. That is simply a falsity, not an opinion that we can agree to disagree on.

How do you know there isn't? Have you lived within Birmingham?

[Tom4784]

How do you know there isn't? Have you lived within Birmingham?

As I said before, I live pretty much right next to Birmingham and I've been going there my whole life. It's a vile place but race has nothing to do with why it's a **** tip. I know of the places that Kazanne mentioned and I know for a fact that they aren't 'no go' areas because these areas don't exist.

As I said before, there's a difference between white people feeling uncomfortable around other races and there being actual areas in which white people cannot go.

This is a case of the former.

[Oliver_W]

As I said before, there's a difference between white people feeling uncomfortable around other races and there being actual areas in which white people cannot go.

This is a case of the former.
Sounds like a bit more than white people being uncomfortable:
Inside Britain’s Molenbeek: Is Birmingham's Sparkbrook the beating heart of British jihad? (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/791417/Birmingham-terror-Sparkbrook-Khalid-Masood-Islamic-State-Henry-Jackson-Report)

This is the Birmingham suburb labelled a “terror hotspot” and a “no-go zone” and is compared with Brussels’ Molenbeek - the infamous region responsible for producing the Paris gunmen and a host of Syria-bound extremists.

Just five wards in the heartland of the multicultural Midlands have yielded some of Britain’s most notorious jihadis - not least Westminster attacker Khalid Masood.

Earlier this month, The Henry Jackson Report into terror in Britain identified 26 people from Sparkbrook and the surrounding area that are currently in prison for terror related offences.

The wards in Birmingham - Springfield, Sparkbrook, Hodge Hill, Washwood Heath and Bordesley Green - produced more terrorists than anywhere else in the country bar London.

Britain's first al-Qaeda inspired terrorist, Moinal Abedin, turned his Sparkbrook home into a bomb factory in 2002, while last year Tareena Shakil was jailed for taking her toddler to join Islamic State from their home in the suburb.

Parviz Khan, who also lived in the area, was jailed for plotting to behead a soldier and Irfan Khalid was put behind bars in 2013 for leaving involved with an al-Qaeda cell plotting a bomb attack.

And Westminster attacker, Khalid Masood, left his home in nearby Edgbaston on March 21, before attacking innocent people on Westminster Bridge the following day, mowing down tourists and stabbing PC Keith Palmer to death.

Birmingham businessmen, religious leaders, councillors, parents, and community figures admit there are “issues” in their city. Leading figures such as Councillor Tony Kennedy and the manager of the anti-extremism Prevent programme, Waqar Ahmed, were keen to point out most of these were part of two jihadi gangs and not 39 separate terrorists operating independently.

But there are clear concerns in the area and a fear young men are being recruited for terror.

Express.co.uk can exclusively reveal 375 people have been referred to the anti-extremism, drug and alcohol misuse charity Kikit, in Sparkbrook, in the last 12 months alone.

Of those, 70 required intensive rehabilitation and two had already booked flights to Syria to fight alongside Islamic State.

The predominantly Muslim area is riddled with crime, drugs and poverty, but there is an uprising – a community determined to come together to deliver peace and safety.

[Maru]

I grew up in a vast majority black and brown area (a handful of white families)... but even we were like "This place is a dump!" :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Sounds like a bit more than white people being uncomfortable:

Actually, if you read the article, the only person saying that Sparkbrook is a 'no go' zone is someone that sounds very much like an uncomfortable white person :laugh:

The full article is a story of an area that is prone to producing extremists and how the community comes together to try to prevent extremism from taking hold. The only times 'no go' zones get mentioned are in the opening paragraph and in a quote from an uncomfortable white person.

An area being predominantly one race does not exclude other races from the area, if that was the case then the countryside would be mostly a no go area for non white people.

You're not going to override what I'm saying with reaching examples from articles that aren't even relevant to what's being said.

[Brillopad]

"There's more mosques than churches!!!!"

So? Do you use these churches you're suddenly so concerned about?

And brown people running shops. Oh my god. AN OUTRAGE!!!

Whether people use the churches or not is not the point. It’s about tradition and identity. You may be harpy to live in an area full of mosques and a changing culture in Britain but many aren’t as is their right. Trouble is people that are try to force it on others and that is not ok.

[Northern Monkey]

Hang on are you saying London isn't white enough for him not to have been elected?

Who do minorities and immigrants generally vote for?

Is it white Tories d’you think? Or an Asian Labour candidate?

The more multicultural a city gets the more the Labour party benefit.

Hence why they want to open the borders up and give 16 y/o’s the vote.More voters for them.

Do da maf

[Twosugars]

Britain got more multicultural under both parties. It's a bit late to cry about it now

[Northern Monkey]

True. White indigenous people have been driven out to Essex and other surrounding counties if they want to live in their own communities. Anyone who thinks that isn't true doesn't live in London. My borough, Newham, was the first borough in the country where incomers outnumbered the indigenous people by more than 50%. Now that figure is nearing a massive 90%. The whole white working class culture of east London is dead. A memorial to people who died in the Blitz is regularly defaced with Islamic messages... says it all, really.

When I was a kid it was a mad ethnic mix and I loved it. But it isn't a mix anymore. The only option was to move out because if any white person complained, they'd be called a racist. As I will probably be in replies to this.
Yep white flight is a thing.

I said before i went to school in a very Asian area.I’d get cars of young blokes pulling up to me on my way to school and get “****in white bastard shouted at me(among other things) and get spat at and this was back in the nineties.

[Beso]

Do us all a favour dezzy..test kezzannes theory by walking through these areas tonight...then try bradford and blackburn please

[Brillopad]

Yep white flight is a thing.

I said before i went to school in a very Asian area.I’d get cars of young blokes pulling up to me on my way to school and get “****in white bastard shouted at me(among other things) and get spat at and this was back in the nineties.

And others have the nerve to believe they are informed. High-horse principles will never be more informed that life experience.

[chuff me dizzy]

Who do minorities and immigrants generally vote for?

Is it white Tories d’you think? Or an Asian Labour candidate?

The more multicultural a city gets the more the Labour party benefit.

Hence why they want to open the borders up and give 16 y/o’s the vote.More voters for them.

Do da maf

:clap1:

[Twosugars]

from ES
As Trump says hello to both Theresa May and the Queen, his giant inflatable counterpart will be looming above Parliament Square Garden in Westminster, just next to the Houses of Parliament.

It remains to be seen just how high the blimp will fly, so if you do want to catch a glimpse of Trump Baby, it’s best to head down to Parliament Square itself.

Organisers hope crowds will be able to see the blimp “peeping over” from Downing Street and if it flies high enough it may well be visible from the bank of the Thames on the south side, across Westminster Bridge.

they could fit a small engine up his arse to make sure he soars into the blue skies :joker:
perched for tv coverage :hehe:

[bots]

Maybe they could use it to down airforce one ... that would be justice

[Crimson Dynamo]

Britain got more multicultural under both parties. It's a bit late to cry about it now

members expressing an opinion is not "crying"

dont be so rude

[Brillopad]

:clap1:

Seconded Chuff!

[Oliver_W]

Are they gonna make a Crybaby Liberal balloon as well, who gets triggered with PTSD when zhe sees politicians zhey doesn't like?

[Brillopad]

Are they gonna make a Crybaby Liberal balloon as well, who gets triggered with PTSD when zhe sees politicians zhey doesn't like?

:clap1:

[Ammi]

Are they gonna make a Crybaby Liberal balloon as well, who gets triggered with PTSD when zhe sees politicians zhey doesn't like?

...well if that crybaby liberal leader was someone who had...what is it, 16 or 17 allegations against him of sexual harassment and sexual assault/misconduct against females..(...while being admired apparently by the Farage as someone who represents ‘our values’ concerning women but other cultures do not apparently so are not to be welcomed into ‘our values’..)...and if that crybaby liberal leader also encouraged intolerance and prejudice toward a neighbouring country and felt that separating parents from children was ok...then I would say yes, Oliver...let’s support that balloon as well...people aren’t taking a stand and protesting against Trump because he’s Trump the ISA leader, they’re protesting at what he specifically represents in who and what he is...and if a liberal represented the same things in their character..?...then YAY to the balloon....

[Tom4784]

Do us all a favour dezzy..test kezzannes theory by walking through these areas tonight...then try bradford and blackburn please

I have before, it's the crime rates that makes those areas problematic and that's not a problem that's targeted just at white people.

[Twosugars]

...well if that crybaby liberal leader was someone who had...what is it, 16 or 17 allegations against him of sexual harassment and sexual assault/misconduct against females..(...while being admired apparently by the Farage as someone who represents ‘our values’ concerning women but other cultures do not apparently so are not to be welcomed into ‘our values’..)...and if that crybaby liberal leader also encouraged intolerance and prejudice toward a neighbouring country and felt that separating parents from children was ok...then I would say yes, Oliver...let’s support that balloon as well...people aren’t taking a stand and protesting against Trump because he’s Trump the ISA leader, they’re protesting at what he specifically represents in who and what he is...and if a liberal represented the same things in their character..?...then YAY to the balloon....

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

Whether people use the churches or not is not the point. It’s about tradition and identity. You may be harpy to live in an area full of mosques and a changing culture in Britain but many aren’t as is their right. Trouble is people that are try to force it on others and that is not ok.People are trying to force mosques on you?

Oh what a shame.

Whether people use the churches or not is the point. It's why they get closed down.

No point complaining about a lost tradition you never engaged with in the first place.

[Tom4784]

Technically churches were forced on us to begin with by the romans. If we wanted to stay true to our brittish traditions and roots we'd be Practicing paganism and the Celtic religion.

Praise be to the Morrigan!

[Beso]

I have before, it's the crime rates that makes those areas problematic and that's not a problem that's targeted just at white people.

So do you think it would be wise to drape yourself in an england flag then go walking through these areas singing engerland engerland at 10ish tonight?

[Tom4784]

So do you think it would be wise to drape yourself in an england flag then go walking through these areas dinging engerland engerland at 10ish tonight?

Probably not because that would cause a disturbance and it would likely get a violent reaction because you're waking people up.

Areas like Sparkbrook have always been steeped in crime even before the demographics of the area changed, like what was said in the article you linked, crime is not determined by race or religion but by economics. Sparkbrook is a particularly poor area and crime tends to be rife when people are struggling. It was like that back when the area was majorly white as well.

[Marsh.]

Who knew people were so afraid of brown people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who knew people were so afraid of brown people.

you would if you do what parmy says

[chuff me dizzy]

There is an area near me where you would get lynched if you walked through wearing an England flag singing at 10 o'clock tonight ,if you go through during the day its bad enough, gangs of the unwashed stood on street corners drinking beer paid for by the taxpayer and people have been told to leave the area as its "their area now"

[Marsh.]

There is an area near me where you would get lynched if you walked through wearing an England flag singing at 10 o'clock tonight ,if you go through during the day its bad enough, gangs of the unwashed stood on street corners drinking beer paid for by the taxpayer and people have been told to leave the area as its "their area now"And what colour and creed are these people?

[chuff me dizzy]

And what colour and creed are these people?

Mostly Romanians

[Marsh.]

Mostly RomaniansHave you walked past them with a flag or are you letting your xenophobia colour this overexaggerated view?

[chuff me dizzy]

Have you walked past them with a flag or are you letting your xenophobia colour this overexaggerated view?

Lets call it age experience

[Marsh.]

Lets call it age experienceOf course it is.

[RichardG]

There is an area near me where you would get lynched if you walked through wearing an England flag singing at 10 o'clock tonight ,if you go through during the day its bad enough, gangs of the unwashed stood on street corners drinking beer paid for by the taxpayer and people have been told to leave the area as its "their area now"

To be fair I was born and raised in what must be one of the whitest towns in the country and you'd probably get lynched walking through there at night too, regardless of what you were wearing. Gangs of unwashed people stood on street corners drinking beer paid for by the taxpayer claiming ownership of the region sounds like a typical neighbourhood of St Helens, except those people are all white British.

[Kazanne]

The report states: “He talks of a few incidents that have occurred over previous years, including a road sign in an area with a high Asian population, on which was sprayed the phrase ‘No Whites after 8.30’.
“These ‘no-go areas’, according to him, are mirrored by Castle Vale, a place where he feels safe but others would not dare go.’’

An extract from BirminghamLive, would I walk down there safely,especially after that warning ? NO,I wouldn't so it's a no go area..

[Beso]

Probably not because that would cause a disturbance and it would likely get a violent reaction because you're waking people up.

Areas like Sparkbrook have always been steeped in crime even before the demographics of the area changed, like what was said in the article you linked, crime is not determined by race or religion but by economics. Sparkbrook is a particularly poor area and crime tends to be rife when people are struggling. It was like that back when the area was majorly white as well.

What did i link?

[Beso]

To be fair I was born and raised in what must be one of the whitest towns in the country and you'd probably get lynched walking through there at night too, regardless of what you were wearing. Gangs of unwashed people stood on street corners drinking beer paid for by the taxpayer claiming ownership of the region sounds like a typical neighbourhood of St Helens, except those people are all white British.

You wouldnt get lynched for being white though.

[Beso]

To be honest though, you would probably be arrested for inciting the locals b4 they could attack you.

[chuff me dizzy]

The report states: “He talks of a few incidents that have occurred over previous years, including a road sign in an area with a high Asian population, on which was sprayed the phrase ‘No Whites after 8.30’.
“These ‘no-go areas’, according to him, are mirrored by Castle Vale, a place where he feels safe but others would not dare go.’’

An extract from BirminghamLive, would I walk down there safely,especially after that warning ? NO,I wouldn't so it's a no go area..

We've got a cafe with "No whites" on the door

[Niamh.]

We've got a cafe with "No whites" on the door

What's it called?

[bots]

What's it called?

"Snow White's" :hehe:

[chuff me dizzy]

What's it called?

No idea ,its in the ghetto area that I wont go into ,but it is there

[Niamh.]

No idea ,its in the ghetto area that I wont go into ,but it is there

Sure Jan

[Kazanne]

Sure Jan

I can't see why Chuff would lie :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I can't see why Chuff would lie :shrug:

How does she know it's there if she won't go in that area though?

[Marsh.]

Sure Jan:joker:

[Marsh.]

No idea ,its in the ghetto area that I wont go into ,but it is thereThere's a difference between not going into an area due to your own prejudice and not being allowed in there full stop.

You seem to be confusing the two.

[Kazanne]

How does she know it's there if she won't go in that area though?

Because it's probably a well known place and people she knows may have told her,maybe it's been on in the media,who knows,but she doesn't lie.

[Niamh.]

Because it's probably a well known place and people she knows may have told her,maybe it's been on in the media,who knows,but she doesn't lie.

Hear say your honour! But I did google it and found nothing, you'd think atleast Britain First or someone would have been all over that

[Marsh.]

Because it's probably a well known place and people she knows may have told her,maybe it's been on in the media,who knows,but she doesn't lie.So she knows this purely through media manipulation and not her own experience?

I believe it even less now.

[Kazanne]

Hear say your honour! But I did google it and found nothing, you'd think atleast Britain First or someone would have been all over that

Not necessarily,do you know where Chuff lives ?

[Marsh.]

Not necessarily,do you know where Chuff lives ?It's not where chuff lives as it's an area she refuses to enter apparently.

[AnnieK]

That cafe needs reporting if it does have that sign. Sure that displaying a sign that discriminates in that way is illegal.

[Kazanne]

It's not where chuff lives as it's an area she refuses to enter apparently.

Well if she says it's so I believe her,no need not to imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure Jan

That's why my cafe would be called :hee:



That or Tea D. L.

[Marsh.]

Well if she says it's so I believe her,no need not to imo.You just said yourself she hasn't seen this for herself and probably saw it in the media.

So from that you're going to believe it 100%?

[Marsh.]

I'd put money on it that this cafe probably has a high number of ethnic minorities so you get the offended and bigoted white people talking to each other "Have you been in that cafe? There's always loads of black and asians etc etc!"

Then via Chinese whispers (eh! Chinese!) It turns into the cafe is ONLY for black and Asian people when it's nothing like that at all.

[Twosugars]

We've got a cafe with "No whites" on the door

proof or it never happened

let me quote LT in another thread today:

In SD it is courtesy to produce links when claiming certain facts such as you did

if you just made it up have the balls to say so

[chuff me dizzy]

How does she know it's there if she won't go in that area though?

One thing Im not is a liar

[Niamh.]

One thing Im not is a liar

I was just wondering how you know if you've never seen it, surely that would be big news? Maybe someone was lying to you when they told you then?

[chuff me dizzy]

I was just wondering how you know if you've never seen it, surely that would be big news? Maybe someone was lying to you when they told you then?

No one was lying to me it was common knowledge, the police ignored it and allowed the notice to stay for months, until it hit the local paper, it was then finally removed ,I do not take kindly to being called a liar Niamh

[Kazanne]

You just said yourself she hasn't seen this for herself and probably saw it in the media.

So from that you're going to believe it 100%?

What,? I did not say she hadn't seen it, people didn't seem to believe her so I said she MAY have heard about it etc,there could be several reasons she knows about it if she lives in that area, why ,because you havent heard or seen it do you even question her as though she is lying .

[Marsh.]

What,? I did not say she hadn't seen it, people didn't seem to believe her so I said she MAY have heard about it etc,there could be several reasons she knows about it if she lives in that area, why ,because you havent heard or seen it do you even question her as though she is lying .She's said herself she hasn't seen it She's heard about it.

It's in an area she CHOOSES not to go into.

I'm not calling her a liar I'm asking why something she's heard via a rumour and something you suggested she maybe heard in the media is being discussed as indisputable fact?

[Niamh.]

No one was lying to me it was common knowledge, the police ignored it and allowed the notice to stay for months, until it hit the local paper, it was then finally removed ,I do not take kindly to being called a liar Niamh

I'm sure I never called you a liar Chuff, eventhough Kazanne told me I did (twice :fan: ) so what paper was it reported in then?

[Kazanne]

I'm sure I never called you a liar Chuff, eventhough Kazanne told me I did (twice :fan: ) so what paper was it reported in then?

Well isn't that what 'surejan' means ? someone on here asked what it meant the other day and basically it's that you don't believe something :shrug:

[Twosugars]

What,? I did not say she hadn't seen it, people didn't seem to believe her so I said she MAY have heard about it etc,there could be several reasons she knows about it if she lives in that area, why ,because you havent heard or seen it do you even question her as though she is lying .
Niamh or anybody has the right to ask for a verification.
LT was asking me to prove Trump was unpopular in the UK. :shrug:
We can't have double standars that some of us have to produce links and others can say what they want without evidence.:hmph:

[Marsh.]

Well isn't that what 'surejan' means ? someone on here asked what it meant the other day and basically it's that you don't believe something :shrug:Not believing the cafe story isn't calling chuff a liar since a story chuff has heard from elsewhere. Not something she's claiming to have witnessed herself.

[Niamh.]

Well isn't that what 'surejan' means ? someone on here asked what it meant the other day and basically it's that you don't believe something :shrug:

Chuff has said she has never seen that sign, I believe she believes it was there but I don't believe that it actually happened and was probably as someone else said, Chinese whisperers or else I'm sure there would be something about it somewhere online, don't you think?

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm sure I never called you a liar Chuff, eventhough Kazanne told me I did (twice :fan: ) so what paper was it reported in then?

Niamh I tell you what love, put me on ignore as you are not using me to make yourself look big ....... Jan

[Niamh.]

Niamh I tell you what love, put me on ignore as you are not using me to make yourself look big ....... Jan

Nah

[Marsh.]

Niamh I tell you what love, put me on ignore as you are not using me to make yourself look big ....... JanAnd you can't use Kazannes sycophantic posts to make rumours appear factual.

[Twosugars]

And you can't use Kazannes sycophantic posts to make rumours appear factual.

:clap2:

[Kazanne]

And you can't use Kazannes sycophantic posts to make rumours appear factual.

Call me what you like Marsh,I know Chuff,she is a friend if that is sychophantic,that's fine by me .:wavey:

[bots]

given the stuff i've seen on this forum that is nothing but conjecture or anecdotal ... i think its pretty unfair to single chuff out

[Kazanne]

:clap2:

The irony :laugh::laugh:

[Twosugars]

Ok next time our words are questioned let's call a friend to provide character references, no need for links

[Marsh.]

Call me what you like Marsh,I know Chuff,she is a friend if that is sychophantic,that's fine by me .:wavey:It's not sycophantic to be her friend Kaz.

It's sycophantic to suggest everyone should believe every word she says based on you being her mate.

[Marsh.]

The irony [emoji23][emoji23]Go and have a chuckle on Facebook about it. [emoji23]

[Marsh.]

given the stuff i've seen on this forum that is nothing but conjecture or anecdotal ... i think its pretty unfair to single chuff outShe's not been singled out.

Anecdotal evidence is never taken as facts on this forum. Nor should it be.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not sycophantic to be her friend Kaz.

It's sycophantic to suggest everyone should believe every word she says based on you being her mate.

And its downright ignorant to call or imply someone is a liar because it doesn't suit your agenda

[Marsh.]

And its downright ignorant to call or imply someone is a liar because it doesn't suit your agendaI haven't called you a liar.

I've said I don't take rumours you've heard or read about as indisputable fact.

If you come in and tell me outright you've seen this cafe for yourself and been refused entry I'd probably believe you. As it is, it's scaremongering rumours that don't hold any water.

[Twosugars]

And its downright ignorant to call or imply someone is a liar because it doesn't suit your agenda

This post deserves saving and quoting when needed

[Kazanne]

It's not sycophantic to be her friend Kaz.

It's sycophantic to suggest everyone should believe every word she says based on you being her mate.

I didn't say everyone should believe her :shrug: I said 'I' do as I know her,I took umbridge as she was called a liar as I would anyone that I trusted.

[Marsh.]

I didn't say everyone should believe her :shrug: I said 'I' do as I know her,I took umbridge as she was called a liar as I would anyone that I trusted.She hasn't been called a liar.

[chuff me dizzy]

I haven't called you a liar.

I've said I don't take rumours you've heard or read about as indisputable fact.

If you come in and tell me outright you've seen this cafe for yourself and been refused entry I'd probably believe you. As it is, it's scaremongering rumours that don't hold any water.

You did it in a sly way ( as per usual) then your mates and back watchers jumped in ,its like a school playground

[Kazanne]

Go and have a chuckle on Facebook about it. [emoji23]

I already have done , but you know that already .:wavey:

[Kazanne]

She hasn't been called a liar.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sure, jan

"Sure, Jan" is used when you can easily read a family or friend for the filthy liar they are. You say it when you obviously know they are lying but you don't want to ...

[Marsh.]

You did it in a sly way ( as per usual) then your mates and back watchers jumped in ,its like a school playgroundNo. That's your usual way of not liking it when people don't suck up to you and agree with your opinion so you turn it into you being persecuted.

So we have a cafe that doesn't allow whites but you've never actually seen it.

And now I called you a liar... but it was I a sly way only you can see and conveniently sly enough nobody else saw it.

But I suppose that's the fault of everyone else too.

[Vicky.]

I always thought sure jan just meant...sure. Not sure why :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I searched no whites allowed cafe and got

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32607/

From America, if this helps?

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sure, jan

"Sure, Jan" is used when you can easily read a family or friend for the filthy liar they are. You say it when you obviously know they are lying but you don't want to ...

Grown men and women using gang street talk designed for 12 yr olds wearing bandanas :joker::joker:

[bots]

I always thought sure jan just meant...sure. Not sure why :laugh:

Sure Jan :laugh:


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I was clueless up until a week ago :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I already have done , but you know that already .:wavey:Chuffs right. It is a playground.

[Marsh.]

Grown men and women using gang street talk designed for 12 yr olds wearing bandanas :joker::joker:Gang talk?

It's a quote from the Brady Bunch. :umm2:

[Marsh.]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sure, jan

"Sure, Jan" is used when you can easily read a family or friend for the filthy liar they are. You say it when you obviously know they are lying but you don't want to ...It's from the Brady Bunch.

It means you don't believe what's being said.

That's not accusing the person saying it of being a liar but they've been misinformed.

Since Chuff has never seen this cafe, she's been misinformed rather than lying.

[Kazanne]

Ah well,time for footie,C'mon England.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's from the Brady Bunch.

It means you don't believe what's being said.

That's not accusing the person saying it of being a liar but they've been misinformed.

Since Chuff has never seen this cafe, she's been misinformed rather than lying.

Therefore a liar

[Marsh.]

Therefore a liarTwist it to whatever you want because the longer this thread goes on the more you are outright lying.

Carry on. Liar.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ah well,time for footie,C'mon England.

Come on my lovely, hold my hand, lets skip off and enjoy the game :elephant:

[Kazanne]

Come on my lovely, hold my hand, lets skip off and enjoy the game :elephant:

Now don't you get too sychophantic with me Chufflet.:wavey:

[chuff me dizzy]

Now don't you get too sychophantic with me Chufflet.:wavey:

Its sad isn't it ? a camping weekend doesn't make you friends :joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

:umm2:

[Vicky.]

Closing this for now, what a mess :umm2:

Not sure if I will have time to clean, and honestly theres more than just a page or two to prune, so if people want to continue talking about baby Trump..might be worth making another thread on it.