Senior doctor denied disability assessor post by not calling patient by preferred sex

[Redway]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5930593/Doctor-fired-government-role-insisting-gender-determined-birth.html

A doctor has been fired from a top government role for suggesting gender is determined at birth.

Dr David Mackereth, 55, who has worked as an NHS doctor for 26 years, was deemed to be 'unfit to work' after he said he would refuse to identify patients by their preferred gender.

The senior doctor was set to become a disability assessor for the Department for Work and Pensions claims a person's gender is biological and said his right to freedom of speech had been denied.

The medic, from Dudley in the West Midlands, fears other 'professional people of faith' could lose their jobs simply for holding opinions about gender that are 'centuries old'.

[RileyH]

Did he lie tho

[Ammi]

...there is nothing like a good old Christian GP being sacked to stoke up all of those trans prejudice feelings..:laugh:...well done DM for getting in first with the story...


...sorry Redway..I just feel a bit sceptical about this and whether there is more to the story of the reasons for him losing his job...

[Jordan.]

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

[thesheriff443]

In his role as a disability assessor he would be assessing transgender people so the fact he would not refer to them as they see them selves was the reason he got sacked

[Oliver_W]

Acknowledging that one's sex is determined at birth is factual, you can't change your biological sex, people like Laverne Fox will always be biologically male. But if someone is trans and wishes to be referred to as the opposite pronouns, that's fair enough. Nonsense like "nonbinary pronouns" such as "ze" or "zir" has no validity outside of the person's head, though.

[smudgie]

Surely you should address the patient by the name on their notes.

Difficult situation to make a comment on, the doctor would be examining you on your birth given gender as there are obvious differences and health issues for each sex.
On the other hand if he doesn't understand the nature of being transgender, or unwilling to accept it due to his religious beliefs then he is in the wrong job.

[chuff me dizzy]

The world has gone completely mad

[Samm]

the DAILY MAIL lmao

[Ammi]

Surely you should address the patient by the name on their notes.

Difficult situation to make a comment on, the doctor would be examining you on your birth given gender as there are obvious differences and health issues for each sex.
On the other hand if he doesn't understand the nature of being transgender, or unwilling to accept it due to his religious beliefs then he is in the wrong job.

..I also think that with religious beliefs ...that’s fine, we’re all entitled to uphold them above all else if we choose to...but all patients in their NHS contributions, contribute to a GP’s salary...no one ever seems to take a stand on the grounds of religious beliefs when accepting that salary in the job they do...no one ever seems to say...nope, I couldn’t be a doctor because there may be things that would go against my religious beliefs...

[bots]

A doctor is interested in biology. That is their driving force for diagnosis and treatment. The doctor should also be sympathetic to a patients circumstances, and if they are not doing that part of the job correctly, they shouldnt be doing the job.

[Niamh.]

A doctor is interested in biology. That is their driving force for diagnosis and treatment. The doctor should also be sympathetic to a patients circumstances, and if they are not doing that part of the job correctly, they shouldnt be doing the job.

I agree with this

[chuff me dizzy]

The NHS has no doubt lost a good Dr due to someone having a "Preferred gender"

[jaxie]

I think the biggest problem over this issue is force and punishment and it is setting a worrying precedent. It is starting to feel like persecution.

Identify as what you like, be a cherry tart for all I care and I'll do my best to be polite and try to indulge you as long as your cherry tartness doesn't invade my privacy and rights as a woman, but 'force' me to accept you are a cherry tart and sack me for the fact that there are two genders born, male and female and that's persecution.

Sympathy and empathy are good things but that goes both ways. Tolerance isn't something we can force on others but we can educate and guide rather trying to force things. If we can't be tolerant then how can we expect it.

[RichardG]

I think that everyone should make the effort to refer to someone by the gender they choose, so long as the person is being genuine and reasonable.

[user104658]

Misleading as it makes it sound like he's been struck off as a doctor, when in fact he has been found unsuitable specifically for the role of a govt. disability assessor. Which he is. There's no room for personal opinions and judgements in that role.

[reece(:]

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

Precisely, and someone with 26 years as a "people person" should know this

[Vicky.]

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

He was going to be working as a disability assessor, so basically seeling his soul for bonuses, the patients wants/needs are non-existant to people like that anyway, and they just lie about the people they assess regardless of the effect it will have on their life. I don't think they should even be classed as doctors anymore once they take that role. Not every one of them is a benyt bastard, but most of them are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the DAILY MAIL lmao

and your preferred news source is what?


* waits as poster attempts to tell the group they read the FT and the Press Association direct feed..

:hehe:

[Vicky.]

Misleading as it makes it sound like he's been struck off as a doctor, when in fact he has been found unsuitable specifically for the role of a govt. disability assessor. Which he is. There's no room for personal opinions and judgements in that role.

LOL are you taking the mick? Its ALL about personal opinions and judgements...and ignoring all medical evidence (generally from people much more qualified than the 'assessor') in favor of a 0 point result, regardless of the disability

But yes, it is misleading as it reads as if he can no longer practise as a GP, rathjer than just being turned down from that role (that no medical professional should want in the first place if they actually care about patients at all, but the bonus/salarty is too tempting)

[Marsh.]

I think people (and the article) are confusing sex and gender and getting themselves in a knot.

[Tom4784]

Mess at him being from Dudley.

[Vicky.]

I think people (and the article) are confusing sex and gender and getting themselves in a knot.

As is usual, tbh. A lot of people don't seem to realise sex and gender are very different things. Mind, thats probably because until fairly recently gender was just another way of saying sex..without having to say the word sex :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I think people (and the article) are confusing sex and gender and getting themselves in a knot.

This is so annoying, gender when it's separated from sex becomes which stereotypes you follow, its really sexist

[Northern Monkey]

So now the truth gets you denied senior disability assessor posts.It’s PC gaawn maaaad.

[Mystic Mock]

If the patient is Transgender then he should refer to their gender that they are now.

I'd have had more sympathy for the guy if it'd have been a patient pretending to be the opposite gender to what they actually are.

[Brillopad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5930593/Doctor-fired-government-role-insisting-gender-determined-birth.html

A doctor has been fired from a top government role for suggesting gender is determined at birth.

Dr David Mackereth, 55, who has worked as an NHS doctor for 26 years, was deemed to be 'unfit to work' after he said he would refuse to identify patients by their preferred gender.

The senior doctor was set to become a disability assessor for the Department for Work and Pensions claims a person's gender is biological and said his right to freedom of speech had been denied.

The medic, from Dudley in the West Midlands, fears other 'professional people of faith' could lose their jobs simply for holding opinions about gender that are 'centuries old'.

More fool them the idiots. They are desperate for doctors and they get rid of a perfectly competent one because of PC. He’ll have the last laugh!

[Brillopad]

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

What utter toss.

[BBUK-Fan]

A skilled doctor sacked due to one mistake. We need doctors so why get rid of these skilled people over something that’s not to do with their duties?

[Brillopad]

A skilled doctor sacked due to one mistake. We need doctors so why get rid of these skilled people over something that’s not to do with their duties?

The PC Bully Brigade turning into the very thing they proport to despise. They want to look in a mirror sometime!

[Withano]

I don’t think he should be working in the public sector tbh, he’s not ready for it. I’m sure it’d be fairly easy for him to get a job in a place that cares less for transrights if he wants to continue with the occupation, but I can’t say I have sympathy for the guy. He seems stubborn and cruel.

[Brillopad]

I don’t think he should be working in the public sector tbh, he’s not ready for it. I’m sure it’d be fairly easy for him to get a job in a place that cares less for transrights if he wants to continue with the occupation, but I can’t say I have sympathy for the guy. He seems stubborn and cruel.

They will drive away all the good doctors who don’t have to put up with such crap! Very forward thinking!

[Withano]

They will drive away all the good doctors who don’t have to put up with such crap! Very forward thinking!

Fortunately most doctors have a basic understanding of gender so we shouldnt need to worry too much.

[Marsh.]

A skilled doctor sacked due to one mistake. We need doctors so why get rid of these skilled people over something that’s not to do with their duties?He's not been sacked.
He's been declined moving into a position he is unsuitable for.

No need for the overreaction tbh.

[Shaun]

More fool them the idiots. They are desperate for doctors and they get rid of a perfectly competent one because of PC. He’ll have the last laugh!

He hasn't been sacked, though, he's been rejected from a government position.

[BBUK-Fan]

He's not been sacked.
He's been declined moving into a position he is unsuitable for.

No need for the overreaction tbh.

“Not been sacked” The thread title says “sacked”

[Brillopad]

Fortunately most doctors have a basic understanding of gender so we shouldnt need to worry too much.

As long as PC continues to practice mind-control it will never truly have a basic understanding of the understanding of others.

[Withano]

As long as PC continues to practice mind-control it will never truly have a basic understanding of the understanding of others.

I swear you’re just parodying yourself at this point.

The living embodiment of political correctness regularly practices ****ING MIND CONTROL so it(?) will never have an understanding of the understanding of others.

Like, real talk, are you ok. This isn’t a normal line of thinking :joker:

[Brillopad]

I swear you’re just parodying yourself at this point.

The living embodiment of political correctness regularly practices ****ING MIND CONTROL so it(?) will never have an understanding of the understanding of others.

Like, real talk, are you ok. This isn’t a normal line of thinking :joker:

You spout about real talk without choking. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

“Not been sacked” The thread title says “sacked”The thread title is incorrect.

He applied for a position and didn't get it.

[montblanc]

A doctor is interested in biology. That is their driving force for diagnosis and treatment. The doctor should also be sympathetic to a patients circumstances, and if they are not doing that part of the job correctly, they shouldnt be doing the job.

:clap1:

[Vicky.]

This is a guy not getting a job as a DWP assessor, not getting sacked as a GP. This is a job where its seen as perfectly fine to ask patients with mental health issues why they haven't attempted suicide yet. And admirable to claim that very disabled people are able to work, against the advice of medical professionals who have treated them long term. Beggars belief that such 'jobs' are still available in the first place tbh.

[GoldHeart]

The PC Bully Brigade turning into the very thing they proport to despise. They want to look in a mirror sometime!

I'm honesty sick & tired of this PC garbage but its more than that, it's like forcing someone to believe what you believe otherwise you get punishment :facepalm: .

The whole gender non binary thing is out of hand as well , so next thing you know we'll be hearing about a patient not wanting to identity as male or female and how the doctor is a "bigot" for calling them he or she after examination & medical records :crazy: .

And the article is misleading as I originally thought he lost his job completely, I watched the debate between him and Munroe that trans woman and she was defensive and resorted to name calling and called him a "bigot" .

The DR seems a normal guy that was stating biological facts ,and once again Christianity gets a bashing .

[Livia]

So this man trains for around ten years to become a GP... he works for the NHS for 20 odd years, and he's sacked because a transgender person may be offended. The doctor himself has been offended because he is a person of faith... although he has presumably not said he would not treat a transgender person.

Hope we don't have a shortage of doctors and nurses when they realise their faith is nothing compared to someone's feelings.

[Livia]

I'm honesty sick & tired of this PC garbage but its more than that, it's like forcing someone to believe what you believe otherwise you get punishment :facepalm: .

The whole gender non binary thing is out of hand as well , so next thing you know we'll be hearing about a patient not wanting to identity as male or female and how the doctor is a "bigot" for calling them he or she after examination & medical records :crazy: .

And the article is misleading as I originally thought he lost his job completely, I watched the debate between him and Munroe that trans woman and she was defensive and resorted to name calling and called him a "bigot" .

The DR seems a normal guy that was stating biological facts ,and once again Christianity gets a bashing .

Why is it that male to female transgender people are always the ones up the front making it a ****ing crusade ?And yet we hear hardly anything from female to male trans people.

Is it because these people still think that they should be front and centre with their words being listened to... like when they were a man?

[arista]

Yes he was on "this morning" ITV1HD
the other day.

He said he wants no harm to come to any
transgenders

[Livia]

Yes he was on "this morning" ITV1HD
the other day.

He said he wants no harm to come to any
transgenders

Of course he doesn't. Had he said he would treat them differently, or not treat them at all it would have been quite a different case. How many medical staff with a faith treat anyone differently because they're trans, or gay or anything else??

[ethanjames]

yes sex is assigned at birth but that isn't what gender is also its the doctors job to make the patient feel comfortable and if that's not what the doctor is doing well

[Livia]

yes sex is assigned at birth but that isn't what gender is also its the doctors job to make the patient feel comfortable and if that's not what the doctor is doing well

Ethan, I'm glad you came in, I wanted your opinion on this.
.
Do you think a doctor should be fired for this?

The doc's job is to make you well and treat you, and if he's doing that adequately, isn't that enough? I, as a hetero born woman, have dealt with male and female doctors who were ****ing obnoxious, but did their job.

[ethanjames]

Ethan, I'm glad you came in, I wanted your opinion on this.
.
Do you think a doctor should be fired for this?

The doc's job is to make you well and treat you, and if he's doing that adequately, isn't that enough? I, as a hetero born woman, have dealt with male and female doctors who were ****ing obnoxious, but did their job.

hey! ive actually dealt with this previously even though ive had my name changed officially for years one doctor even refused to treat me because of this (he did end up being fired bc someone found out about it) i don't think they should be fired necessarily but i don't think he should get away with it i wouldn't personally try to get a doctor fired for calling me the wrong name but others are a lot less tolerant i guess. i think overall no he shouldn't have been fired and im sure his career is over because of this yet as a doctor he needs to be able to educate himself as [patients are gonna have weirder **** happen to them. idk tho i understand both viewpoints

[Niamh.]

I don't think the Doctor was actually fired from anywhere despite the title, looks like he was just not chosen for a job working with the public sector or something?

[ethanjames]

I don't think the Doctor was actually fired from anywhere despite the title, looks like he was just not chosen for a job working with the public sector or something?

ok makes sense glad he wasn't fired he didn't deserve that

[Marsh.]

Ethan, I'm glad you came in, I wanted your opinion on this.
.
Do you think a doctor should be fired for this?

The doc's job is to make you well and treat you, and if he's doing that adequately, isn't that enough? I, as a hetero born woman, have dealt with male and female doctors who were ****ing obnoxious, but did their job.

He wasn't fired. Just wasn't selected for a new position.

[Gstar]

Reprimanded yes, fired no

[Scarlett.]

To be honest, the NHS need to start training Doctors on this sort of thing, from what I've read doing research they can sometimes find themselves at a loss when dealing with trans patients, and it's not necessarily the docs fault, they just don't seem to be getting trained on how to deal with trans patients despite the ever increasing number.

[arista]

To be honest, the NHS need to start training Doctors on this sort of thing, from what I've read doing research they can sometimes find themselves at a loss when dealing with trans patients, and it's not necessarily the docs fault, they just don't seem to be getting trained on how to deal with trans patients despite the ever increasing number.


They are Dia.

This was a Rare older GP
who will not back down.

[Scarlett.]

They are Dia.

This was a Rare older GP
who will not back down.

I guess they are, but there are a lot out there who feel woefully unequipped to deal with it, I do empathise with them despite being on the opposite side of the desk.

[Livia]

hey! ive actually dealt with this previously even though ive had my name changed officially for years one doctor even refused to treat me because of this (he did end up being fired bc someone found out about it) i don't think they should be fired necessarily but i don't think he should get away with it i wouldn't personally try to get a doctor fired for calling me the wrong name but others are a lot less tolerant i guess. i think overall no he shouldn't have been fired and im sure his career is over because of this yet as a doctor he needs to be able to educate himself as [patients are gonna have weirder **** happen to them. idk tho i understand both viewpoints

That's interesting... thanks, good to hear your point of view.

[ethanjames]

To be honest, the NHS need to start training Doctors on this sort of thing, from what I've read doing research they can sometimes find themselves at a loss when dealing with trans patients, and it's not necessarily the docs fault, they just don't seem to be getting trained on how to deal with trans patients despite the ever increasing number.

this

[Brillopad]

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

What rubbish. No society in it’s right mind is prepared to lose much needed competent doctors because some patients don’t like the fact some doctors may not want to refer to them by the gender of their choosing.

[Shaun]

Can someone edit the thread title so another illiterate ass doesn't come in here thinking someone's actually been sacked?

[user104658]

Can someone edit the thread title so another illiterate ass doesn't come in here thinking someone's actually been sacked?

So a doctor who spent many years training for his profession has lost his job in the NHS and has been stripped of his title so that he can't practice in any other country and you just don't care? Is that what you're saying? This man spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pounds becoming a doctor and now all he can do is sit in a mud shack in the South American desert peddling peyote to gap-year tourists, and you're like "so what" because he misgendered some transexual libtard PC gone mad lady wannabe who is only wanting to be female to access ladies toilets and molest people. That's it, isn't it. I bet you don't even like Brexit. Brexit would never have fired this doctor.

[GoldHeart]

Why is it that male to female transgender people are always the ones up the front making it a ****ing crusade ?And yet we hear hardly anything from female to male trans people.

Is it because these people still think that they should be front and centre with their words being listened to... like when they were a man?

There seems to be more trans women , and it's usually the ones having these arguments and accusing people of prejudice .

The world has gone crazy , now you're not allowed to say you WOULDN'T date a trans person as you get labeled a bigot or transphobic :crazy: :facepalm: .

By that dumb logic then people who have a preference for tall blondes are also prejudice .

[lime]

There seems to be more trans women , and it's usually the ones having these arguments and accusing people of prejudice .

The world has gone crazy , now you're not allowed to say you WOULDN'T date a trans person as you get labeled a bigot or transphobic :crazy: :facepalm: .

By that dumb logic then people who have a preference for tall blondes are also prejudice .
Listen I'm a straight mother of 4...the world has not gone crazy lad.....You tlk about having a blonde as as a preferance....blonde is a hair colour ...not a sexual preferance....

BTW Who out of interesd who told you .."you wouldn't be allowed to say you WOULDN'Tdate a trans person"...


Jez talk about dumb logic

[lime]

Surely you should address the patient by the name on their notes.

Difficult situation to make a comment on, the doctor would be examining you on your birth given gender as there are obvious differences and health issues for each sex.
On the other hand if he doesn't understand the nature of being transgender, or unwilling to accept it due to his religious beliefs then he is in the wrong job.
Back on Topic I agree with Smudgie when she talks about the birth of a child....A doctor will base his opinion on genilltalia not the patient in question...which is right BTW

[Brillopad]

Listen I'm a straight mother of 4...the world has not gone crazy lad.....You tlk about having a blonde as as a preferance....blonde is a hair colour ...not a sexual preferance....

BTW Who out of interesd who told you .."you wouldn't be allowed to say you WOULDN'Tdate a trans person"...


Jez talk about dumb logic

PC has gone over the top and crazy - many, many people feel that way. Not your opinion, fine, but it is the opinion of others.

Men who now see themselves as women - men used to advantage and priiledge previously living as men - now demanding it as women. Men looking after themselves whether they consider themselves men or women.

Trouble is issues such as men with penis’s using womens’ toilets and the problems that causes for many natural-born women, and the associated risks, means little to them and demonstrates their self-obsessed selfish ‘male’ attitudes.

[lime]

PC has gone over the top and crazy - many, many people feel that way. Not your opinion, fine, but it is the opinion of others.

Men who now see themselves as women - men used to advantage and priiledge previously living as men - now demanding it as women. Men looking after themselves whether they consider themselves men or women.

Trouble is issues such as men with penis’s using womens’ toilets and the problems that causes for many natural-born women, and the associated risks, means little to them and demonstrates their self-obsessed selfish ‘male’ attitudes.
Brillo I think me and you both are similiar of age



But when you go to a club nowaday's ....

They share toilet's...It's just what happen's....nothing to do with brown people or Muslim'....
Ask any youngster here ...they willl tell you in many Club's male and female's share toilet's



Heck I lived in Holland 91/92 and that's how we lived

I am interested of what you consider "A natural born woman"??

[Brillopad]

Brillo I think me and you both are similiar of age



But when you go to a club nowaday's ....

They share toilet's...It's just what happen's....nothing to do with brown people or Muslim'....
Ask any youngster here ...they willl tell you in many Club's male and female's share toilet's



Heck I lived in Holland 91/92 and that's how we lived

I am interested of what you consider "A natural born woman"??

I don’t know what you mean by ‘share toilets’. If it means the whole toilet/changing room area where previously women were not subjected to the risk of predatory men claiming to be a woman coming and going at will, then I can only say i’m glad I don’t bother with them any more.

My tastes on a good night out have changed and I would strongly object if, for instance, I was in a restaurant and found men, who were clearly men, hanging around the female bathrooms. Each to their own but you can’t just ignore the many women who would object in favour of the rights of this group of men/women. Natural born women, self-explanatory I would have thought, have rights too and that includes the right to privacy and safety. Safety should always be everyone’s concern.

When the rights of a group that represent 50% of the country and the world population are allowed to be undermined in favour of a minority group who shout the loudest you have true discrimination. When women, those unfortunate enough to be born women, are not a minority group but are still discriminated against you have real issues.

[GoldHeart]

Listen I'm a straight mother of 4...the world has not gone crazy lad.....You tlk about having a blonde as as a preferance....blonde is a hair colour ...not a sexual preferance....

BTW Who out of interesd who told you .."you wouldn't be allowed to say you WOULDN'Tdate a trans person"...


Jez talk about dumb logic

"Lad" ? I'm a woman :joker:

And the world has gone mad . I used "tall blondes " as an example as people have different preference , there is some people more attracted and sexualky attracted to tall blondes . just like some prefer petite /slim rather than bigger people.

My point is it's a preference ,are those people discriminating against others NO :nono:.

Unless they have hate or unhealthy attitudes ,then there's no issues.

I don't know where you've been. Even in celebrity Big brother back in January , India played the transphobic card :bored: just because Ginuwine was honest and said he WOULDN'T date a trans person .

[Withano]

“Well I haven’t gone mad, so it must be the entire world”

[Withano]

When the rights of a group that represent 50% of the country and the world population are allowed to be undermined in favour of a minority group who shout the loudest you have true discrimination. When women, those unfortunate enough to be born women, are not a minority group but are still discriminated against you have real issues.

This is literally a thread about the complete opposite thing :think: im not convinced that youve completely absorbed the information.

[ethanjames]

trans people getting rights?!11??? that's pc gone mad!!!1111!!!

[Brillopad]

trans people getting rights?!11??? that's pc gone mad!!!1111!!!

Their rights should not undermine those of women born women.

[Brillopad]

This is literally a thread about the complete opposite thing :think: im not convinced that youve completely absorbed the information.

I know real discrimination when I see it.

[Withano]

I know real discrimination when I see it.

But you literally missed it and started talking about something that has nothing to do with the thread :think:

Again, i’ve got to suggest you havent really absorbed the idea of the thread :think:

[Brillopad]

But you literally missed it and started talking about something that has nothing to do with the thread :think:

Again, i’ve got to suggest you havent really absorbed the idea of the thread :think:

Like most threads the discussion accommodates directly related issues. Is that so difficult to comprehend. I know you like to see yourself as some kind of thread/speech controller but forgive me if I disagree.

[Withano]

Like most threads the discussion accommodates directly related issues. Is that so difficult to comprehend. I know you like to see yourself as some kind of thread/speech controller but forgive me if I disagree.

:think: no I think you just love changing the topic to something that makes you angry. It's odd.

[lime]

"Lad" ? I'm a woman :joker:

And the world has gone mad . I used "tall blondes " as an example as people have different preference , there is some people more attracted and sexualky attracted to tall blondes . just like some prefer petite /slim rather than bigger people.

My point is it's a preference ,are those people discriminating against others NO :nono:.

Unless they have hate or unhealthy attitudes ,then there's no issues.

I don't know where you've been. Even in celebrity Big brother back in January , India played the transphobic card :bored: just because Ginuwine was honest and said he WOULDN'T date a trans person .

Do you not get that a preferece for blonde's is not the same as a preference to a sexuality or gende


To compare hair colour to gender is weak at best

You are right though you don't where I have been


I can tell you now globally this opinion is by and large considered small minded.


As much as I love BB...I won't base my opinioin on A CBB in INdia

[Brillopad]

:think: no I think you just love changing the topic to something that makes you angry. It's odd.

What is odd is that it’s obvious that I responded directly to other posts but no such criticism from you about them apparently going off topic. Funny that. :shrug:

[Tom4784]

I think this thread has proven how most people will react to a headline without reading the article in question.... And people get pissy at me for suggesting the public as a whole are rarely informed.

[Withano]

What is odd is that it’s obvious that I responded directly to other posts but no such criticism from you about them apparently going off topic. Funny that. :shrug:

:think: that isn't what happened.

[Brillopad]

:think: that isn't what happened.

It is.

[GoldHeart]

Do you not get that a preferece for blonde's is not the same as a preference to a sexuality or gende


To compare hair colour to gender is weak at best

You are right though you don't where I have been


I can tell you now globally this opinion is by and large considered small minded.


As much as I love BB...I won't base my opinioin on A CBB in INdia

I'm not just comparing hair colour , there's all kinds of dating preference . im not arguing I'm just stating those as examples.

There's people who don't date outside their race .

And I don't think it's a weak comparison, you're missing the point .

[Brillopad]

I think this thread has proven how most people will react to a headline without reading the article in question.... And people get pissy at me for suggesting the public as a whole are rarely informed.

But you are also a member of the public - just the same as the rest of us. :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

I think this thread has proven how most people will react to a headline without reading the article in question.... And people get pissy at me for suggesting the public as a whole are rarely informed.

Well the title of the thread is misleading. But I would say I am informed

[Tom4784]

But you are also a member of the public - just the same as the rest of us. :shrug:

And I can still criticise the public any way I please, just like anyone else can because that's what freedom of speech is.

Instead of trying to deny me that with odd and ineffective ways of trying to shut down my opinion, try arguing against it.

[Tom4784]

Well the title of the thread is misleading. But I would say I am informed

But you don't represent the public.

Just because you think you are informed doesn't mean much for everyone else. You aren't the public as a whole, you are, like every other individual, a grain of sand in the desert that is the public.

[Brillopad]

And I can still criticise the public any way I please, just like anyone else can because that's what freedom of speech is.

Instead of trying to deny me that with odd an ineffective ways of trying to shut down my opinion, try arguing against it.

You use that word ‘odd’ again - what a coincidence! I will leave it there as I am being discriminated against and apparently not allowed to respond to your posts without getting infracted. Speaking of freedom of speech! Don’t want to make it too easy do I. Might be too late already. :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

But you don't represent the public.

Just because you think you are informed doesn't mean much for everyone else. You aren't the public as a whole, you are, like every other individual, a grain of sand in the desert that is the public.

Well obviously we're all different :shrug: .

Like I said the title of the thread was misleading ,which is probably why some people seem "misinformed" . But the article is there for people to read :idc: .

[Tom4784]

I see you aren't interested in an actual discussion then, I'm not going to be dragged down into an argument with you, Brillo.

[Tom4784]

Well obviously we're all different :shrug: .

Like I said the title of the thread was misleading ,which is probably why some people seem "misinformed" . But the article is there for people to read :idc: .

They reacted to the thread title without reading the article. That's why so many people in this thread think he has been sacked from the NHS when he simply didn't get a job as an assessor.

[GoldHeart]

They reacted to the thread title without reading the article. That's why so many people in this thread think he has been sacked from the NHS when he simply didn't get a job as an assessor.

I originally thought the same thing until I read the article , like I said it's misleading .

[Tom4784]

Problem is not many people actually read the article.

[lime]

I'm not just comparing hair colour , there's all kinds of dating preference . im not arguing I'm just stating those as examples.

There's people who don't date outside their race .

And I don't think it's a weak comparison, you're missing the point .

Out of intrest ...what point do do think I'm missing?


Beaware with me I'm at work ATM so might not be able to get back to you straight away..

I'm a South AFrican Boer so I know all about the legallites about dating outside your race.....



For you It's something to talk about ...for us It's something we lived.



But hey hey go for it girl and try tell us about it and tell us how life is

[Vicky.]

I think this thread has proven how most people will react to a headline without reading the article in question.... And people get pissy at me for suggesting the public as a whole are rarely informed.

I think most people (possibly stupidly) generally expect the actual story to bear some relation to the headline, even if the headline is obviously OTT. No doctor was sacked in this, so unsure why its made out that he was. I fall for this sometimes, have replied to threads with essays only to find out that the actual thread is nothing at all to do with the title/headline :facepalm:

[Cherie]

Why can’t the thread title be amended to reflect the article, that would save alot of time for everyone

[Brillopad]

Listen I'm a straight mother of 4...the world has not gone crazy lad.....You tlk about having a blonde as as a preferance....blonde is a hair colour ...not a sexual preferance....

BTW Who out of interesd who told you .."you wouldn't be allowed to say you WOULDN'Tdate a trans person"...


Jez talk about dumb logic

Anyone can be discruminated against including things like hair colour, weight, looks, intelligence, accent - many things that people are born with and can’t change.

In their head and usually in practice everyone discriminates about something. But for me to make up half the world population,in the case of females, I think it’s a bit more, and still be discriminated against by all, including minority groups, is the worst discrimination of all. It really is coming at you from all directions then and an insitution.

[Cherie]

They reacted to the thread title without reading the article. That's why so many people in this thread think he has been sacked from the NHS when he simply didn't get a job as an assessor.

It’s been known for pages now the thread title is wrong, alot of peoole don’t open links or read any posts on the thread so they will react to the title, you can hardly blame them

[lime]

Anyone can be discruminated against including things like hair colour, weight, looks, intelligence, accent - many things that people are born with and can’t change.

In their head and usually in practice everyone discriminates about something. But for me to make up half the world population, I think it’s a bit more, and still be discriminated against by all, including minority groups, is the worst discrimination of all. It really is coming at you from all directions then and an insitution.

Brillo there is a vast difference between who a preference and discrimination....Surely any adult can see that?

[Brillopad]

Brillo there is a vast difference between who a preference and discrimination....Surely any adult can see that?

Oh come on people can have their lives made a misery and treated very differently by some for the examples I gave - what is that if not discrimination.

Women have been discriminated against since time in memorial and still are in some societies. It is institutionalised discrimination worldwide. So therefore women from all races have likely experienced discrimination and many likely still do. Please don’t try to imply I know nothing about discrimination.

[lime]

Oh come on people can have their lives made a misery and treated very differently by some for the examples I gave - what is that if not discrimination.

Women have been discriminated against since time in memorial and still are in some societies. It is institutionalised discrimination worldwide. So therefore women from all races have likely experienced discrimination and many likely still do. Please don’t try to imply I know nothing about discrimination.

Brillo nowhere in my post's did I imply you didn't experience discriminaton...we all have..women and men equally...But If you are a certain colour/ religion you experience it on a daily basis.

I don't think you have that?

We as White South Africans are planing daily how to help our families flee


Talk to me about discrimination when you have to deal with that

[Tom4784]

I think most people (possibly stupidly) generally expect the actual story to bear some relation to the headline, even if the headline is obviously OTT. No doctor was sacked in this, so unsure why its made out that he was. I fall for this sometimes, have replied to threads with essays only to find out that the actual thread is nothing at all to do with the title/headline :facepalm:

It just goes to show that reading the article is important really, especially in an age where fake news and skewed articles are everywhere.

[Brillopad]

Brillo nowhere in my post's did I imply you didn't experience discriminaton...we all have..women and men equally...But If you are a certain colour/ religion you experience it on a daily basis.

I don't think you have that?

We as White South Africans are planing daily how to help our families flee


Talk to me about discrimination when you have to deal with that

I think you have missed my point as I have no doubt that generally women have experienced discrimination considerably more than men and experience it on a daily basis. Most women will have experienced it at some time in their life to varying gegrees. Women of colour and from certain religions have the double-whammy of being discriminated against for sex and race. Given that women of all races make up half the world’s population it seems obvious they are the most discriminated against.

Certain religions and races may experience more discrimination in the West where they are minorities but women everywhere experience it including in the modern world.

I know someone from South Africa who certainly doesn’t have the issues you mention. She lives here but has family in SA and regularly goes back to see them during the holidays.

Obviously I don’t know your personal situation but I do know that due to the sheer numbers of women in the world that makes the discrimination of women more prevalent because it crosses all boundaries including class, race, colour religion - you name it.

[Vicky.]

It just goes to show that reading the article is important really, especially in an age where fake news and skewed articles are everywhere.

I hate the phrase 'fake news' so ****ing much :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

I hate the phrase 'fake news' so ****ing much :laugh:

Trump ruined it.

Just imagine his voice “Fake noooz”

[Cherie]

Now the title has been amended its clear why he didn’t get the job! You need a bit of empathy at least

[Vicky.]

Now the title has been amended its clear why he didn’t get the job! You need a bit of empathy at least

To be a PIP assessor?! Really?! :umm2: You have to have no conscience, and be as horrendous as possible. I would say much more likely than the gender thing, is that this guy was willing to actually assess disabilities, rather than mark everyone down as 0 points and lie

[Cherie]

To be a PIP assessor?! Really?! :umm2: You have to have no conscience, and be as horrendous as possible. I would say much more likely than the gender thing, is that this guy was willing to actually assess disabilities, rather than mark everyone down as 0 points and lie

I dont think they are all the same, some are very good at their job

[user104658]

I dont think they are all the same, some are very good at their jobIt is indeed pot luck but that in itself is a huge problem. No consistency at all.

[lime]

I think you have missed my point as I have no doubt that generally women have experienced discrimination considerably more than men and experience it on a daily basis. Most women will have experienced it at some time in their life to varying gegrees. Women of colour and from certain religions have the double-whammy of being discriminated against for sex and race. Given that women of all races make up half the world’s population it seems obvious they are the most discriminated against.

Certain religions and races may experience more discrimination in the West where they are minorities but women everywhere experience it including in the modern world.

I know someone from South Africa who certainly doesn’t have the issues you mention. She lives here but has family in SA and regularly goes back to see them during the holidays.

Obviously I don’t know your personal situation but I do know that due to the sheer numbers of women in the world that makes the discrimination of women more prevalent because it crosses all boundaries including class, race, colour religion - you name it.

WTF your post just shocked me about the person yo know in South Africa....


South Africa is burning to th ground right now the rand is foked..they are burning down everything


I'm from KZN a Zulu part of the country



The only safe part of South Africa for whites is considered Cape Town.

Now the Xhosa has issued a warning to us whites to leave or war


That fecker JUJu is having an efffect on many tribes now




Brillo It's not personal issues....It's reality

[Maru]

WTF your post just shocked me about the person yo know in South Africa....


South Africa is burning to th ground right now the rand is foked..they are burning down everything


I'm from KZN a Zulu part of the country



The only safe part of South Africa for whites is considered Cape Town.

Now the Xhosa has issued a warning to us whites to leave or war


That fecker JUJu is having an efffect on many tribes now




Brillo It's not personal issues....It's reality

I've read about this, but being so far from all that in the US, we don't know what news is "real" and "fake". We don't even get decent coverage of international affairs imo, it's something we have to seek out? Sadly, some things I only learn through SD. Unfortunately, in the news business where victim storylines sell papers, we have to "discriminate" our sources which makes that problem worse... but what I do hear through interviews I've seen of people who have gone there to cover it, it sounds horrible.

I wouldn't even call that "discrimination", lime... I would go a step further and say it is persecution. Discrimination I think can be overcome to a significant degree, especially on a individual-to-individual basis... it can be disspelled... but persecution, that's a whole other story. People will not interact with folk in that category if they feel it endangers their own safety/livelihood/lot in life... so very easy to find themselves backed in a corner, all alone, even not helped by people who love and care for them.

[lime]

I've read about this, but being so far from all that in the US, we don't know what news is "real" and "fake". We don't even get decent coverage of international affairs imo, it's something we have to seek out? Sadly, some things I only learn through SD. Unfortunately, in the news business where victim storylines sell papers, we have to "discriminate" our sources which makes that problem worse... but what I do hear through interviews I've seen of people who have gone there to cover it, it sounds horrible.

I wouldn't even call that "discrimination", lime... I would go a step further and say it is persecution. Discrimination I think can be overcome to a significant degree, especially on a individual-to-individual basis... it can be disspelled... but persecution, that's a whole other story. People will not interact with folk in that category if they feel it endangers their own safety/livelihood/lot in life... so very easy to find themselves backed in a corner, all alone, even not helped by people who love and care for them.

Thank you so much Maru for at least seen my post...I think sadly if we call it persecution...we will get the usual..Ye yo white's came over and colonised us....not a word will be mentioned about slavery being long in place before we got there

I can't tell you Maru how many family and friends I have lost post Apartheid..
It really is not fake news and I hope nobody on this forum has to listen to their loved ones crying out for help

[GoldHeart]

It’s been known for pages now the thread title is wrong, alot of peoole don’t open links or read any posts on the thread so they will react to the title, you can hardly blame them

Exactly my point

[user104658]

There is literally no excuse for running your mouth on a thread without bothering to at least read the OP link first :umm2:... And a quick skim of the last ten-or-so posts is usually a good idea too if it's a long thread.

[lime]

There is literally no excuse for running your mouth on a thread without bothering to at least read the OP link first :umm2:... And a quick skim of the last ten-or-so posts is usually a good idea too if it's a long thread.

You are right and I am sorry for playing a massive roll in derailing this thread


I don't think I was running my mouth ...I think I abused this thread as a way to vent

Again all I can is apoligise

[Brillopad]

You are right and I am sorry for playing a massive roll in derailing this thread


I don't think I was running my mouth ...I think I abused this thread as a way to vent

Again all I can is apoligise

Strong emotions and opinions - we all do it Lime.

[lime]

Strong emotions and opinions - we all do it Lime.
Thank's Brillo
But I shouldn't have used this very valid thread to vent my own anger

Thank's again Brillo
:love:

[Cherie]

You are right and I am sorry for playing a massive roll in derailing this thread


I don't think I was running my mouth ...I think I abused this thread as a way to vent

Again all I can is apoligise

I don't think TS was referring in particularly to you Lime :love: just to anyone responding without reading the link, although tbf to those people you would expect the headline to be relevant


Thank you to the mod who changed the title

[Cherie]

It is indeed pot luck but that in itself is a huge problem. No consistency at all.

I don't think it is to do with consistency, I think it is about a persons ability to do the job as much as anything same as any job, obviously they have been trained to weed out abusers of the system as well, so I suppose if a disability or illness is not obvious or diagnosed, it can be a difficult call

[Beso]

WTF your post just shocked me about the person yo know in South Africa....


South Africa is burning to th ground right now the rand is foked..they are burning down everything


I'm from KZN a Zulu part of the country



The only safe part of South Africa for whites is considered Cape Town.

Now the Xhosa has issued a warning to us whites to leave or war


That fecker JUJu is having an efffect on many tribes now




Brillo It's not personal issues....It's reality

Swings and roundabouts in s africa..:shrug:

[Brillopad]

Thank's Brillo
But I shouldn't have used this very valid thread to vent my own anger

Thank's again Brillo
:love:

:hug:

[lime]

Swings and roundabouts in s africa..:shrug:

Swings and roundabouts is playground behaviour


Being murdered and /or raped because of the colour your skin is totally different



Anyway it would be quite weak of me to apolagise for derailing a thread and then carry on do so

[lime]

I don't think TS was referring in particularly to you Lime :love: just to anyone responding without reading the link, although tbf to those people you would expect the headline to be relevant


Thank you to the mod who changed the title

I also don't think TS was referring to me alone



But what he said is very true



I Didn't read the link and just went on a rant
:love:

[Niamh.]

WTF your post just shocked me about the person yo know in South Africa....


South Africa is burning to th ground right now the rand is foked..they are burning down everything


I'm from KZN a Zulu part of the country



The only safe part of South Africa for whites is considered Cape Town.

Now the Xhosa has issued a warning to us whites to leave or war


That fecker JUJu is having an efffect on many tribes now




Brillo It's not personal issues....It's realityOur accountant at work is SA and she left because it was too dangerous there aswell

[Tom4784]

It is indeed pot luck but that in itself is a huge problem. No consistency at all.

It really needs to be overhauled because it's a truly abusive system but what does the government care about some disabled an unhealthy people dying because they were forced to seek work or face losing their benefits when it saves them a bit of money?

[Beso]

Page 5..a thread is past derailment tests....


Didnt the white europeans rape n pillage s africa...or africa at the time, lime.?