[Redway]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ned-birth.html

A doctor has been fired from a top government role for suggesting gender is determined at birth.

Dr David Mackereth, 55, who has worked as an NHS doctor for 26 years, was deemed to be 'unfit to work' after he said he would refuse to identify patients by their preferred gender.

The senior doctor was set to become a disability assessor for the Department for Work and Pensions claims a person's gender is biological and said his right to freedom of speech had been denied.

The medic, from Dudley in the West Midlands, fears other 'professional people of faith' could lose their jobs simply for holding opinions about gender that are 'centuries old'.

[RileyH]

Did he lie tho

[Ammi]

...there is nothing like a good old Christian GP being sacked to stoke up all of those trans prejudice feelings.....well done DM for getting in first with the story...


...sorry Redway..I just feel a bit sceptical about this and whether there is more to the story of the reasons for him losing his job...

[Jordan.]

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

[thesheriff443]

In his role as a disability assessor he would be assessing transgender people so the fact he would not refer to them as they see them selves was the reason he got sacked

[Oliver_W]

Acknowledging that one's sex is determined at birth is factual, you can't change your biological sex, people like Laverne Fox will always be biologically male. But if someone is trans and wishes to be referred to as the opposite pronouns, that's fair enough. Nonsense like "nonbinary pronouns" such as "ze" or "zir" has no validity outside of the person's head, though.

[smudgie]

Surely you should address the patient by the name on their notes.

Difficult situation to make a comment on, the doctor would be examining you on your birth given gender as there are obvious differences and health issues for each sex.
On the other hand if he doesn't understand the nature of being transgender, or unwilling to accept it due to his religious beliefs then he is in the wrong job.

[chuff me dizzy]

The world has gone completely mad

[Samm]

the DAILY MAIL lmao

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Surely you should address the patient by the name on their notes.

Difficult situation to make a comment on, the doctor would be examining you on your birth given gender as there are obvious differences and health issues for each sex.
On the other hand if he doesn't understand the nature of being transgender, or unwilling to accept it due to his religious beliefs then he is in the wrong job.

..I also think that with religious beliefs ...that’s fine, we’re all entitled to uphold them above all else if we choose to...but all patients in their NHS contributions, contribute to a GP’s salary...no one ever seems to take a stand on the grounds of religious beliefs when accepting that salary in the job they do...no one ever seems to say...nope, I couldn’t be a doctor because there may be things that would go against my religious beliefs...

[bitontheslide]

A doctor is interested in biology. That is their driving force for diagnosis and treatment. The doctor should also be sympathetic to a patients circumstances, and if they are not doing that part of the job correctly, they shouldnt be doing the job.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

A doctor is interested in biology. That is their driving force for diagnosis and treatment. The doctor should also be sympathetic to a patients circumstances, and if they are not doing that part of the job correctly, they shouldnt be doing the job.

I agree with this

[chuff me dizzy]

The NHS has no doubt lost a good Dr due to someone having a "Preferred gender"

[jaxie]

I think the biggest problem over this issue is force and punishment and it is setting a worrying precedent. It is starting to feel like persecution.

Identify as what you like, be a cherry tart for all I care and I'll do my best to be polite and try to indulge you as long as your cherry tartness doesn't invade my privacy and rights as a woman, but 'force' me to accept you are a cherry tart and sack me for the fact that there are two genders born, male and female and that's persecution.

Sympathy and empathy are good things but that goes both ways. Tolerance isn't something we can force on others but we can educate and guide rather trying to force things. If we can't be tolerant then how can we expect it.

[RichardG]

I think that everyone should make the effort to refer to someone by the gender they choose, so long as the person is being genuine and reasonable.

[Toy Soldier]

Misleading as it makes it sound like he's been struck off as a doctor, when in fact he has been found unsuitable specifically for the role of a govt. disability assessor. Which he is. There's no room for personal opinions and judgements in that role.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

Precisely, and someone with 26 years as a "people person" should know this

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Whether he's right or wrong the patients wishes are the number one priority, if he isn't willing to put his personal beliefs aside he clearly shouldn't be working with the public.

He was going to be working as a disability assessor, so basically seeling his soul for bonuses, the patients wants/needs are non-existant to people like that anyway, and they just lie about the people they assess regardless of the effect it will have on their life. I don't think they should even be classed as doctors anymore once they take that role. Not every one of them is a benyt bastard, but most of them are.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Samm

the DAILY MAIL lmao

and your preferred news source is what?


* waits as poster attempts to tell the group they read the FT and the Press Association direct feed..

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Misleading as it makes it sound like he's been struck off as a doctor, when in fact he has been found unsuitable specifically for the role of a govt. disability assessor. Which he is. There's no room for personal opinions and judgements in that role.

LOL are you taking the mick? Its ALL about personal opinions and judgements...and ignoring all medical evidence (generally from people much more qualified than the 'assessor') in favor of a 0 point result, regardless of the disability

But yes, it is misleading as it reads as if he can no longer practise as a GP, rathjer than just being turned down from that role (that no medical professional should want in the first place if they actually care about patients at all, but the bonus/salarty is too tempting)

[Marsh.]

I think people (and the article) are confusing sex and gender and getting themselves in a knot.

[Tom4784]

Mess at him being from Dudley.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think people (and the article) are confusing sex and gender and getting themselves in a knot.

As is usual, tbh. A lot of people don't seem to realise sex and gender are very different things. Mind, thats probably because until fairly recently gender was just another way of saying sex..without having to say the word sex

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think people (and the article) are confusing sex and gender and getting themselves in a knot.

This is so annoying, gender when it's separated from sex becomes which stereotypes you follow, its really sexist

[Northern Monkey]

So now the truth gets you denied senior disability assessor posts.It’s PC gaawn maaaad.