Jeremy Corbyn branded 'anti-Semite' by Labour MP

[Crimson Dynamo]

By his own people this time....:bored:


The Labour leader is told he's an "anti-Semite" and "racist" by a Jewish MP amid a row over the party's anti-Semitism definition.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eI1Ki-kVWEY/hqdefault.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/12/00/394FB01100000578-0-image-m-73_1476229434099.jpg

Dame Margaret told Mr Corbyn he is an "anti-Semite and a racist", adding: "You have proved you don't want people like me in the party".

The row flared after Labour's ruling body approved on Tuesday the adoption of a new code of conduct on anti-Semitism, despite calls for it to be toughened.

Earlier this week, 68 of the UK's senior rabbis penned a joint letter in which they accused the Labour leadership of acting in "the most insulting and arrogant way" by rewriting an internationally-adopted definition of anti-Semitism.

The group called on Labour to adopt the unamended International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of anti-Semitism, including all its examples, in their new code of conduct.

Labour MPs and peers also overwhelmingly backed the demands for the party to change the way it defines anti-Semitism at a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party on Monday.

However, Labour's National Executive Committee upheld the adoption of the code of conduct on Tuesday.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-branded-anti-semite-by-labour-mp-margaret-hodge-in-house-of-commons-clash-11440244

But, it omits four examples from the IHRA list:

:: Accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country;

:: Claiming that Israel's existence as a state is a racist endeavour;

:: Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations;

:: Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Friends of Hodge denied reports she swore at the Labour leader, but acknowledged she had called him “an anti-Semitic racist”.

They added that when Corbyn protested, she replied: “It is not what you say but what you do, and by your actions you have shown you are an anti-Semitic racist.”

One Labour MP said: “She went to him and he just stood there and took it. She was furious.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/labour-agrees-to-fresh-antisemitism-consultation-after-stormy-debate

[Nicky91]

UK's Wilders, this is who i mean a dutch politician (also anti-semite, racist)

https://images2.persgroep.net/rcs/WZ9XsNrhe5Gly08udGLB7fE470E/diocontent/119969966/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.9


i bet Mr Corbyn and him could easily agree with each other

[Livia]

This will never be addressed while people scrabble round to excuse him. Or until they come up with a story about the Tories to deflect it.

[Nicky91]

This will never be addressed while people scrabble round to excuse him. Or until they come up with a story about the Tories to deflect it.

it says a lot that his own people are calling him a racist now


so honestly Corbyn should never be PM for sure

[Brillopad]

Corbyn clearly doesn’t believe in actions speaking louder than words. Stupid man.

[bots]

Labour MP Margaret Hodge faces "action" by the party after reportedly swearing at Jeremy Corbyn and calling him an "anti-Semite".

A spokesman for the Labour leader said what had happened was "clearly unacceptable between colleagues".

The alleged confrontation came after Labour adopted new guidelines on anti-Semitism, which were criticised by some Jewish leaders and some MPs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44875908

[Kazanne]

Labour MP Margaret Hodge faces "action" by the party after reportedly swearing at Jeremy Corbyn and calling him an "anti-Semite".

A spokesman for the Labour leader said what had happened was "clearly unacceptable between colleagues".

The alleged confrontation came after Labour adopted new guidelines on anti-Semitism, which were criticised by some Jewish leaders and some MPs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44875908

She has insisted today that she never swore at him.:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

She has insisted today that she never swore at him.:shrug:

Maybe they need to pad out her "offenses" so she can be removed?

[Vicky.]

Honestly, I think its beyond denying at this point.

Still can't believe I thought he was the saviour of the country pretty much a year ago D:

[Oliver_W]

Honestly, I think its beyond denying at this point.

Still can't believe I thought he was the saviour of the country pretty much a year ago D:

Some still think he is D:

[MTVN]

So when a Jewish MP raises her feelings about anti-Semitism in the party the response is to take action against her. Not the best look, Labour are lucky that the Brexit chaos will distract from all this

[bots]

She has insisted today that she never swore at him.:shrug:

well darn is a pretty strong word you know :think:

[Maru]

UK's Wilders, this is who i mean a dutch politician (also anti-semite, racist)

https://images2.persgroep.net/rcs/WZ9XsNrhe5Gly08udGLB7fE470E/diocontent/119969966/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.9


i bet Mr Corbyn and him could easily agree with each other

Get it away from me. Not a face to see right after I've woke up in the morning :laugh::laugh:

[Maru]

Honestly, I think its beyond denying at this point.

Still can't believe I thought he was the saviour of the country pretty much a year ago D:

I don't think of any of these politicians as "heroes". I think by design most wouldn't hesistate to throw their own base under the bus if it really suited them... just the nature of that field. Sometimes they do happen to actually do their job, so that's nice... but we're living in this weird era where we like to romanticize everything about politics. It's just so overblown... they're people with elected job titles for me... not really anything "special"... if they have good ideas, I will vote for them. Sometimes I don't agree with who I vote for all that much, but they have shown a record of actually getting being decent at their job and listening to their constituents and help with the larger agendas of the city (for example)... one guy may say great things, have great ideas, but in execution be terrible at the job.. so it's a waste of a vote for me.

[kirklancaster]

This follows Labour MP John Woodcock who was suspended over a sexual harassment allegation and has quit the party and launched a scathing attack on Jeremy Corbyn.

He claimed the party had changed for the worse and said the Labour leader would be a "clear risk to UK national security as prime minister".

"The party for which I have campaigned since I was a boy is no longer the broad church it has always historically been."

"Anti-Semitism is being tolerated and Labour has been taken over at nearly every level by the hard left, far beyond the dominance they achieved at the height of 1980s militancy."

"There is little chance of returning the Labour party to the inclusive, mainstream electoral force my constituents desperately need."

"I have promised to fight for local jobs, promote a credible alternative government, protect the shipyard and ensure the safety of my constituents through strong defence and national security.

I now believe more strongly than ever that you have made the Labour Party unfit to deliver those promises and would pose a clear risk to UK national security as prime minister."

Whatever troubles afflict the Tories the Labour party cannot capitalise - not with loser Corbyn at the helm.

[Northern Monkey]

Labour could make some of this go away by just accepting the international definition of anti-semitism that the rest of the world recognises.

Why are they resisting it?

It seems as though Corbyn is pandering to the anti-semitic contingent among the membership.Maybe scared of losing votes?

[Northern Monkey]

This follows Labour MP John Woodcock who was suspended over a sexual harassment allegation and has quit the party and launched a scathing attack on Jeremy Corbyn.

He claimed the party had changed for the worse and said the Labour leader would be a "clear risk to UK national security as prime minister".

"The party for which I have campaigned since I was a boy is no longer the broad church it has always historically been."

"Anti-Semitism is being tolerated and Labour has been taken over at nearly every level by the hard left, far beyond the dominance they achieved at the height of 1980s militancy."

"There is little chance of returning the Labour party to the inclusive, mainstream electoral force my constituents desperately need."

"I have promised to fight for local jobs, promote a credible alternative government, protect the shipyard and ensure the safety of my constituents through strong defence and national security.

I now believe more strongly than ever that you have made the Labour Party unfit to deliver those promises and would pose a clear risk to UK national security as prime minister."

Whatever troubles afflict the Tories the Labour party cannot capitalise - not with loser Corbyn at the helm.
Strong words by him

[Tom4784]

This follows Labour MP John Woodcock who was suspended over a sexual harassment allegation and has quit the party and launched a scathing attack on Jeremy Corbyn.

He claimed the party had changed for the worse and said the Labour leader would be a "clear risk to UK national security as prime minister".

"The party for which I have campaigned since I was a boy is no longer the broad church it has always historically been."

"Anti-Semitism is being tolerated and Labour has been taken over at nearly every level by the hard left, far beyond the dominance they achieved at the height of 1980s militancy."

"There is little chance of returning the Labour party to the inclusive, mainstream electoral force my constituents desperately need."

"I have promised to fight for local jobs, promote a credible alternative government, protect the shipyard and ensure the safety of my constituents through strong defence and national security.

I now believe more strongly than ever that you have made the Labour Party unfit to deliver those promises and would pose a clear risk to UK national security as prime minister."

Whatever troubles afflict the Tories the Labour party cannot capitalise - not with loser Corbyn at the helm.

Hmm.

[Brillopad]

The allegations against Woodcock are just that. Corbyn on the other hand has a long, long history of anti Semitic behaviours. Unless Woodcock has the same history as Corbyn it is not the same.

[Vicky.]

https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1021369803129401344

Update on this.

Seems they were trying to silence her (massive change from usual eh) so shes posted this all over twitter. I think I like her, tbh. Seems not the kind to give into bullies. Which Labour/Momentum appear to be, moreso everyday tbh

Edit. Seems even more updates...Apparently Labour are trying to say she apologized https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45085682 Dropped.



https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1026543294036111360

Another lawyers letter. what a mess :laugh:

[JoshBB]

I genuinely don't see what he's done that is anti-semitic, it seems like bandwagon-jumping and right-wing opportunism to me.

I'm not a Corbynista by any means, I'm more of a social democrat, but I've seen Corbyn supporters branded as 'enablers of antisemitism' and complicit etc. and it just pisses me off tbh

[Toy Soldier]

I genuinely don't see what he's done that is anti-semitic, it seems like bandwagon-jumping and right-wing opportunism to me.

I'm not a Corbynista by any means, I'm more of a social democrat, but I've seen Corbyn supporters branded as 'enablers of antisemitism' and complicit etc. and it just pisses me off tbh

The mass public groupthink at the moment (deliberately crafted) is that if anyone is philosophically against the idea of Israel as a state, or in fact, even has criticisms of how Israel / the Israeli military operates, they are now an "anti-semite" who "hates Jews". This presumably even applies to the many, many Jewish people internationally who are critical of Zionism / Israel. They just hate Jews, too.

It's a common shut-down tactic to be fair; much like the claim that anyone who has criticisms of the UK political system or anything to do with UK culture "just hates Britain". That one flies around on here semi-regularly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I genuinely don't see what he's done that is anti-semitic, it seems like bandwagon-jumping and right-wing opportunism to me.

I'm not a Corbynista by any means, I'm more of a social democrat, but I've seen Corbyn supporters branded as 'enablers of antisemitism' and complicit etc. and it just pisses me off tbh

Are you Jewish?

Do you read a decent newspaper and or watch a good news programme ?

What news media online do you use?

[JoshBB]

The mass public groupthink at the moment (deliberately crafted) is that if anyone is philosophically against the idea of Israel as a state, or in fact, even has criticisms of how Israel / the Israeli military operates, they are now an "anti-semite" who "hates Jews". This presumably even applies to the many, many Jewish people internationally who are critical of Zionism / Israel. They just hate Jews, too.

It's a common shut-down tactic to be fair; much like the claim that anyone who has criticisms of the UK political system or anything to do with UK culture "just hates Britain". That one flies around on here semi-regularly.

Yeah I absolutely think it's a way to shut down criticism of Israel as a political entity. I'm not an "anti-zionist" in a sense that I don't believe in an Israeli state - I think they have the right to exist - but many actions are against human rights and are unacceptable to me.

Are you Jewish?

Do you read a decent newspaper and or watch a good news programme ?

What news media online do you use?

I'm not Jewish. & I read my news from a bunch of different sources - The Independent, Guardian, Twitter, occasionally Telegraph, BBC, Sky etc. I'm aware of the biases in some of these, but I think enough of it is impartial to generate an opinion.

What is your point?

[Toy Soldier]

Are you Jewish?

Do you read a decent newspaper and or watch a good news programme ?

What news media online do you use?

There is plenty of abundant evidence that Corbyn is anti-Israel, and people are free to be critical of that if they want to be, and I'm sure plenty of people think that's terrible enough.

It isn't anti-semitism though. Disliking Israel is not the same as disliking Jewish people, and it never will be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is plenty of abundant evidence that Corbyn is anti-Israel, and people are free to be critical of that if they want to be, and I'm sure plenty of people think that's terrible enough.

It isn't anti-semitism though. Disliking Israel is not the same as disliking Jewish people, and it never will be.

Sorry TS but the whole thing has moved well on from that type of apologist stance politically.

Its not a debate about is he or isnt he

its about how he will now never be a PM as an anti-Semite and who can replace him?

[Greg!]

How is being against the actions of the Israeli government anti-semitic. The whole thing is nonsense and an excuse from 'moderate' Labour MPs to oust him. To call Corbybn an anti-semite is disgraceful as he's spent his whole life campaigning against racism of all forms

[JoshBB]

Sorry TS but the whole thing has moved well on from that type of apologist stance politically.

Its not a debate about is he or isnt he

its about how he will now never be a PM as an anti-Semite and who can replace him?

You can't shut down discussion because "the whole thing has moved on" though.

& the line needs to be drawn;

Anti-semitism - Hatred/prejudice towards jewish people, culture, faith, traditions etc.

Anti-zionism - Opposition to an Israeli state and/or Israeli public policy

[Nicky91]

Sorry TS but the whole thing has moved well on from that type of apologist stance politically.

Its not a debate about is he or isnt he

its about how he will now never be a PM as an anti-Semite and who can replace him?

no otherwise UK would make the same mistake as Germany did when they started WW2 with their anti-semite Hitler


who should replace Corbyn, obviously a much more likeable and non-racist politician, no doubt about that, but who i don't know

[MTVN]

Being anti-Israel is not anti-Semitic in itself but the former is often used to justify the latter. People who rant about stuff like the 'pro-Israeli lobby' and it's influence or moan about 'the Rothschilds' are really just repeating the years old slurs about Jews controlling the media and the banks etc. and being too powerful

Surely if Corbyn himself says that there is a problem and that people who deny it are part of the problem then his supporters should start to reassess the language they use and the sort of people and arguments that they engage with?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How is being against the actions of the Israeli government anti-semitic. The whole thing is nonsense and an excuse from 'moderate' Labour MPs to oust him. To call Corbybn an anti-semite is disgraceful as he's spent his whole life campaigning against racism of all forms

You are saying that all the Jewish people and groups who are desperately worried about this are talking nonsense?

wow

Tell me, how many Jews have you discussed this with?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can't shut down discussion because "the whole thing has moved on" though.

& the line needs to be drawn;

Anti-semitism - Hatred/prejudice towards jewish people, culture, faith, traditions etc.

Anti-zionism - Opposition to an Israeli state and/or Israeli public policy

Have you even been following the threads on Tibb?

Did you hear what his deputy said this week?

What he said as an apology?

What Margaret Hodge said?


I mean I am astonished that you have not seen this, its been all over

:shocked:

[Greg!]

You are saying that all the Jewish people and groups who are desperately worried about this are talking nonsense?

wow

Tell me, how many Jews have you discussed this with?

Having concerns about anti-semitism in the Labour Party as a whole is legitimate, but to call Corbyn himself an anti-Semite is ridiculous. I've seen plenty of Jewish labour members on TV agree.

[Beso]

Delete my post if you want, it doesnt change the FACT he's a racist old bastard.

[MTVN]

Delete my post if you want, it doesnt change the FACT he's a racist old bastard.

You haven't had any posts in here deleted

Might be mixing it up with the other thread?

[Nicky91]

Delete my post if you want, it doesnt change the FACT he's a racist old bastard.

it's just straightforward honest facts Parmy


Corbyn should be just banned from politics, we need someone to make the UK heartwarming, likeable, but yet someone who can say it to the foreigners in UK with a bit more decency and less racist tone

you don't need to anger them any further, you need to reason with them, and a anti-semite like Corbyn will never be a decent politician, so he deserves to be axed from politics for good


i'd wish Ed Balls would come back to the politics, his views also about trump, i see on his BBC2 show every sunday are actually quite good, also about the gun control laws he has good valid points about that as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

Delete my post if you want, it doesnt change the FACT he's a racist old bastard.

You haven't had any posts in here deleted

Might be mixing it up with the other thread?

From the "when is LT back?" one?

:think:

[bots]

Delete my post if you want, it doesnt change the FACT he's a racist old bastard.

there is this thread too http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10128241#post10128241