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Brillopad
22-07-2018, 06:55 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/21/labour-mps-peers-plan-defy-corbyn-antisemitism-definition
Interesting. Corbyn must be having many sleepless nights over this challenge to his antisemeticc views. It would also make sense to replace him otherwise such action is purely cosmetic.
kirklancaster
22-07-2018, 10:33 AM
They are trying to save their party against a fanatic who - like all fanatics - has lost all track of reality.
It may be 'too little too late' but even if successful, it will take a monumental 'sea-change' and years, before the Labour Party once more TRULY represents the 'Working Classes'.
More is the pity.
GiRTh
22-07-2018, 10:35 AM
Toxic story that should have been dealt with ages ago. This requires leadership which he has so far sadly lacked.
kirklancaster
22-07-2018, 10:43 AM
Toxic story that should have been dealt with ages ago. This requires leadership which he has so far sadly lacked.
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Brillopad
22-07-2018, 12:35 PM
https://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/miriam-shaviv-imagines-jeremy-corbyn-as-prime-minister-1.467439
Do people really believe Corbyn is not antisemetic. If they believe he is then they cannot support him with validity. If not - why?
Northern Monkey
22-07-2018, 01:53 PM
https://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/miriam-shaviv-imagines-jeremy-corbyn-as-prime-minister-1.467439
Do people really believe Corbyn is not antisemetic. If they believe he is then they cannot support him with validity. If not - why?
He is either anti-semitic or letting it fly for support.Labour need to get back to being a more moderate party and try to release the hold of the hard left.
Difficult with all those new Corbynite members.
Greg!
23-07-2018, 09:36 AM
One of the things Labour has decided not to recognise as anti-Semitic is "Comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis".
Agree with this. Accurate or not, it's criticism of a country, not discrimination against Jewish people. They would be silly to recognise that as anti-Semitism just to appease a few whingers in their party imo
Crimson Dynamo
23-07-2018, 09:44 AM
I find it incredible that in a time when the Tories are imploding that Corbyn has barely been seen or heard of, in fact the ONLY thing you heave heard about from Labour THIS YEAR is that the leader hates Jews
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At a time when the labour party are under fire for anti-semitism and have stated categorically that there is no room for it in the labour party. Why oh why did they decide to not use the standard definition in their rules when advised to do strongly by the jewish leaders in the community?
It's not just one instance either. We can't forget Corbyn going to chat with a jewish radical group rather than the jewish establishment when this raised it's head before
One could either say that Corbyn is completely stupid or he is anti-semitic and I don't think he is stupid at all.
and now another labour mp faces suspension for daring to question labours antisemitic definition ...
Ian Austin is facing possible suspension after the argument with the party's chairman Ian Lavery.
The MP for Dudley North, who is the adopted child of a Jewish refugee, said it was a "heated discussion" about how the party tackles anti-Semitism.
He told BBC Radio 4 he called the anti-Semitism code of conduct a "disgrace".
But he added: "Did I scream abuse at anybody? No I didn't."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44997634
Oliver_W
29-07-2018, 07:42 PM
But he added: "Did I scream abuse at anybody? No I didn't."
Was he accused of that? Interesting, given that Margaret Hodge was accused of shouting and swearing at Corbyn. I wonder if the next Jewish MP to raise the issue will have their complaints minimized based on apparent behaviour..
Was he accused of that? Interesting, given that Margaret Hodge was accused of shouting and swearing at Corbyn. I wonder if the next Jewish MP to raise the issue will have their complaints minimized based on apparent behaviour..
yep, and Margaret Hodge was adamant that she did not swear at Corbyn either. I think Corbyn and pals just want to remove any discussion on the topic from the labour party. What topic will be next
Crimson Dynamo
29-07-2018, 07:58 PM
Toxic story that should have been dealt with ages ago. This requires leadership which he has so far sadly lacked.
Preach
Kizzy
30-07-2018, 02:56 AM
I find it incredible that in a time when the Tories are imploding that Corbyn has barely been seen or heard of, in fact the ONLY thing you heave heard about from Labour THIS YEAR is that the leader hates Jews
:umm2:
Yes it shows just how biased the media are doesn't it... the very same media who when the Labour leader was Jewish ramped up antisemitism across the UK.
Not all Jewish people are comfortable with the definition in it's entirety and agree parts of the text are open to misinterpretation.
This constant bullying to accept this universal definition which doesn't speak specifically for those Jewish people is questionable.
Crimson Dynamo
30-07-2018, 07:06 AM
Yes it shows just how biased the media are doesn't it... the very same media who when the Labour leader was Jewish ramped up antisemitism across the UK.
Not all Jewish people are comfortable with the definition in it's entirety and agree parts of the text are open to misinterpretation.
This constant bullying to accept this universal definition which doesn't speak specifically for those Jewish people is questionable.
Or you cant admit that your man Corbyn hates Jews and will now never get elected
kirklancaster
30-07-2018, 07:48 AM
and now another labour mp faces suspension for daring to question labours antisemitic definition ...
Ian Austin is facing possible suspension after the argument with the party's chairman Ian Lavery.
The MP for Dudley North, who is the adopted child of a Jewish refugee, said it was a "heated discussion" about how the party tackles anti-Semitism.
He told BBC Radio 4 he called the anti-Semitism code of conduct a "disgrace".
But he added: "Did I scream abuse at anybody? No I didn't."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44997634
Yes, I read this, BOTS - It's reminiscent of the beginnings of a 'Stalin' type purge.
Corbyn is a dangerous man - a 'Killer Clown'.
Corbyn knows that he could have cleared the whole antisemitic mess up with some respectful action. He chose not to, it was an active choice that he personally made. On the other hand, May and the Conservatives have had all sorts of crap to deal with, but you can't accuse them of not at least trying to democratically come to some form of consensus. The dissenting Tory voices are not threatened with expulsion, they are allowed their voice. The labour party, well that's an entirely different story.
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has accused a member of the party's ruling body of being a "loud-mouthed bully" - after he was recorded criticising members of the Jewish community.
The National Executive Committee's Peter Willsman suggested Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in the party.
Mr Watson tweeted to say he was disgusted by the comments.
Mr Willsman, a supporter of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, has apologised.
Earlier this month, more than 60 British rabbis signed an open letter that said anti-Semitism in sections of the Labour Party was "severe and widespread".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
Oliver_W
31-07-2018, 06:32 AM
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has accused a member of the party's ruling body of being a "loud-mouthed bully" - after he was recorded criticising members of the Jewish community.
The National Executive Committee's Peter Willsman suggested Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in the party.
Mr Watson tweeted to say he was disgusted by the comments.
Mr Willsman, a supporter of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, has apologised.
Earlier this month, more than 60 British rabbis signed an open letter that said anti-Semitism in sections of the Labour Party was "severe and widespread".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
I'm sure this person will be dealt with the same way as Hodge and Austin.
kirklancaster
31-07-2018, 06:55 AM
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has accused a member of the party's ruling body of being a "loud-mouthed bully" - after he was recorded criticising members of the Jewish community.
The National Executive Committee's Peter Willsman suggested Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in the party.
Mr Watson tweeted to say he was disgusted by the comments.
Mr Willsman, a supporter of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, has apologised.
Earlier this month, more than 60 British rabbis signed an open letter that said anti-Semitism in sections of the Labour Party was "severe and widespread".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
Labour is beyond a joke now and SHOULD be totally unelectable.
Crimson Dynamo
31-07-2018, 06:57 AM
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has accused a member of the party's ruling body of being a "loud-mouthed bully" - after he was recorded criticising members of the Jewish community.
The National Executive Committee's Peter Willsman suggested Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in the party.
Mr Watson tweeted to say he was disgusted by the comments.
Mr Willsman, a supporter of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, has apologised.
Earlier this month, more than 60 British rabbis signed an open letter that said anti-Semitism in sections of the Labour Party was "severe and widespread".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45014771
The National Executive Committee's Peter Willsman suggested Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in the party.
Jewish Trump fanatics?
and people have the cheek to say that this is not endemic in the labour party, rather than admit there is an issue they blame jewish people themselves??
quite unbelievable
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has apologised for appearing on platforms with people whose views he "completely rejects".
Mr Corbyn's statement was in response to the Times reporting that he hosted an event in 2010 at which a Holocaust survivor compared Israel to Nazism.
The event was held at the House of Commons on Holocaust Memorial Day.
Labour MP Louise Ellman told BBC Newsnight she was "absolutely appalled" to hear about Mr Corbyn's involvement.
The Labour leader's apology comes after one of his supporters in the party's National Executive Committee suggested that Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in Labour ranks.
Peter Willsman has apologised and said not all his remarks were accurately reported.
At the 2010 event in the Commons, Jewish Auschwitz survivor and anti-Zionist Hajo Meyer gave a talk entitled The Misuse of the Holocaust for Political Purposes.
Mr Mayer, who died in 2014 aged 90, compared Israeli policy to the Nazi regime.
The Times said that Palestinian activist Haidar Eid also addressed the meeting, saying: "The world was absolutely wrong to think that Nazism was defeated in 1945.
"Nazism has won because it has finally managed to Nazify the consciousness of its own victims."
Mr Corbyn said views were expressed which he did not "accept or condone".
He added: "In the past, in pursuit of justice for the Palestinian people and peace in Israel /Palestine, I have on occasion appeared on platforms with people whose views I completely reject.
"I apologise for the concerns and anxiety that this has caused."
In July, Labour faced criticism over its new code of conduct on anti-Semitism, which critics claimed did not sign up fully to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's working definition.
Ms Ellman said she was "exceedingly disturbed" by the situation, adding that by diluting the definition of anti-Semitism, Labour had "made it possible to compare Israel with the Nazis".
She added: "Jeremy is our leader, we want to be the next government, we need to change the way that this country is run to address the injustices in our society.
"But we can't do that while we are engulfed in this crisis of the Labour Party's inability to deal with anti-Semitism in its own ranks."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45027582
kirklancaster
01-08-2018, 07:42 AM
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has apologised for appearing on platforms with people whose views he "completely rejects".
Mr Corbyn's statement was in response to the Times reporting that he hosted an event in 2010 at which a Holocaust survivor compared Israel to Nazism.
The event was held at the House of Commons on Holocaust Memorial Day.
Labour MP Louise Ellman told BBC Newsnight she was "absolutely appalled" to hear about Mr Corbyn's involvement.
The Labour leader's apology comes after one of his supporters in the party's National Executive Committee suggested that Jewish "Trump fanatics" were behind accusations of anti-Semitism in Labour ranks.
Peter Willsman has apologised and said not all his remarks were accurately reported.
At the 2010 event in the Commons, Jewish Auschwitz survivor and anti-Zionist Hajo Meyer gave a talk entitled The Misuse of the Holocaust for Political Purposes.
Mr Mayer, who died in 2014 aged 90, compared Israeli policy to the Nazi regime.
The Times said that Palestinian activist Haidar Eid also addressed the meeting, saying: "The world was absolutely wrong to think that Nazism was defeated in 1945.
"Nazism has won because it has finally managed to Nazify the consciousness of its own victims."
Mr Corbyn said views were expressed which he did not "accept or condone".
He added: "In the past, in pursuit of justice for the Palestinian people and peace in Israel /Palestine, I have on occasion appeared on platforms with people whose views I completely reject.
"I apologise for the concerns and anxiety that this has caused."
In July, Labour faced criticism over its new code of conduct on anti-Semitism, which critics claimed did not sign up fully to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's working definition.
Ms Ellman said she was "exceedingly disturbed" by the situation, adding that by diluting the definition of anti-Semitism, Labour had "made it possible to compare Israel with the Nazis".
She added: "Jeremy is our leader, we want to be the next government, we need to change the way that this country is run to address the injustices in our society.
"But we can't do that while we are engulfed in this crisis of the Labour Party's inability to deal with anti-Semitism in its own ranks."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45027582
It seems as if not one day goes by without another revelation. Corbyn is definitely 'Teflon-Coated'.
Oliver_W
01-08-2018, 09:41 AM
Hajo Meyer has been saying stuff like that since 2001, so it's not like Corbyn would have invited him in good faith, and then been shocked at what he was saying. No, either Corbyn is too stupid to research what invited speakers actually say, or he agreed with it.
Northern Monkey
01-08-2018, 10:14 AM
Corbyn needs to be the saviour of the Labour Party and get the fck out of it before he tarnishes it forever
Amazing to see the hard left tearing itself apart over this. Momentum has withdrawn support for Pete Willsman in the NEC elections which has led to loads of the Corbynistas tearing up their membership cards and going into a frenzy about the 'MSM propaganda' and 'Tory plots', some of them sound seriously unhinged
Corbyn himself is still silent of course
Yes it shows just how biased the media are doesn't it... the very same media who when the Labour leader was Jewish ramped up antisemitism across the UK.
Not all Jewish people are comfortable with the definition in it's entirety and agree parts of the text are open to misinterpretation.
This constant bullying to accept this universal definition which doesn't speak specifically for those Jewish people is questionable.
Why would the media be biased though?..they are all reporting this story..
Kizzy
03-08-2018, 09:31 AM
Why would the media be biased though?..they are all reporting this story..
Yes they are aren't they? Why?
The 2010 meeting was so titled due to the keynote speaker, the leader arranged the whole thing to show there were Jewish people opposed to the actions of the Israeli govt.
Europe is splitting, there are two emerging factions socialist, and far right.
Judging by our media which way are we leaning?
https://evolvepolitics.com/the-right-wing-media-just-branded-a-jewish-holocaust-survivor-as-antisemitic-to-smear-jeremy-corbyn/
Yes they are aren't they? Why?
The 2010 meeting was so titled due to the keynote speaker, the leader arranged the whole thing to show there were Jewish people opposed to the actions of the Israeli govt.
Europe is splitting, there are two emerging factions socialist, and far right.
Judging by our media which way are we leaning?
https://evolvepolitics.com/the-right-wing-media-just-branded-a-jewish-holocaust-survivor-as-antisemitic-to-smear-jeremy-corbyn/
There must be a reason for this supposed bias?
Oliver_W
03-08-2018, 12:21 PM
There must be a reason for this supposed bias?
Because the big nasty meanie corporations are worried that political genius Jeremy Corbyn is gonna change the world, leaving them with less power!!11one
it's interesting that absolutely everyone other than a group within the labour party are considered biased
Personally, given that Corbyn has apologised numerous times, that other labour MP's and executive members have apologised numerous times, it's reporting of news events, not bias
Kizzy
05-08-2018, 09:32 PM
it's interesting that absolutely everyone other than a group within the labour party are considered biased
Personally, given that Corbyn has apologised numerous times, that other labour MP's and executive members have apologised numerous times, it's reporting of news events, not bias
There is a political bias to our media... it's a joke withing the rest of Europe just how biased it is. In general not just on this issue our mainstream media is leaning further and further right.
So much so the BBC now legitimize breitbart as a source and tommy robinson is hailed as some kind of folk hero...And is there no antisemitism in the ranks in which they fraternize with no apology or reform required?
hmmmmm?....
There is a political bias to our media... it's a joke withing the rest of Europe just how biased it is. In general not just on this issue our mainstream media is leaning further and further right.
So much so the BBC now legitimize breitbart as a source and tommy robinson is hailed as some kind of folk hero...And is there no antisemitism in the ranks in which they fraternize with no apology or reform required?
hmmmmm?....
Do you ever wonder if you're on the wrong side in this anti-Semitism debate?
There is a political bias to our media... it's a joke withing the rest of Europe just how biased it is. In general not just on this issue our mainstream media is leaning further and further right.
So much so the BBC now legitimize breitbart as a source and tommy robinson is hailed as some kind of folk hero...And is there no antisemitism in the ranks in which they fraternize with no apology or reform required?
hmmmmm?....Breitbart is a news source, and thousands of people protest marching, chanting "oh Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson" is an indication that he actually might be a folk hero.
Sargon of Akkad, who opposes everything Corbyn stands for, posted a video today defending Corbyn on all this anti-Semitic stuff.
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Kizzy
06-08-2018, 12:04 PM
Do you ever wonder if you're on the wrong side in this anti-Semitism debate?
No I don't. If you're attempting to accuse me of something have the balls to do it in a manner where I can challenge that.
https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/2018/08/06/exclusive-jewish-news-editor-slams-his-papers-front-page-attack-on-corbyn-its-repulsive-this-is-a-lifelong-anti-racist-were-trashing/
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 12:16 PM
Breitbart is a news source, and thousands of people protest marching, chanting "oh Tommy Tommy, Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson" is an indication that he actually might be a folk hero.
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
The media have kept robinson in the public eye they have created him as a folk hero as they did with farage... my question is why?
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 12:26 PM
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
Why would they? Being far right and being fascist are separate things. What visible links are there between Breitbart and fascist/antisemitic groups?
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
The media have kept robinson in the public eye they have created him as a folk hero as they did with farage... my question is why?
Tommy robinson hardly made the news, only time i recall was an interview he did..he was never on the front pages before he was locked up.
And corbyns racism towards the jews is big news and the medua would be failing if it didnt highlight this major issue.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 12:44 PM
Why would they? Being far right and being fascist are separate things. What visible links are there between Breitbart and fascist/antisemitic groups?
Oh hello Oliver, it is a haven for the alt right ... it's hailed as a extreme right wing safe space is it not?
My question is why are the BBC using this as a legitimate news source?
It's the mainstream media legitimising far right leaning sources, don't you think these have links to facist/ antisemitic organisations?
The media have kept robinson in the public eye they have created him as a folk hero as they did with farage... my question is why?Owen Jones is a political activist just like Robinson, though they just have differing opinions.
Owen Jones was on celebrity pointless yesterday, are you outraged about that?
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 12:49 PM
Oh hello Oliver, it is a haven for the alt right ... it's hailed as a extreme right wing safe space is it not?
My question is why are the BBC using this as a legitimate news source?
I don't bother with it, but if it has journalists doing their own research, the information they gather deserves to be looked at as much as any other source. Plus, I've seen Corbyn quote bloody HuffPo so it goes both ways.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 01:14 PM
Owen Jones is a political activist just like Robinson, though they just have differing opinions.
Owen Jones was on celebrity pointless yesterday, are you outraged about that?
Owen Jones is a journalist.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 01:23 PM
I don't bother with it, but if it has journalists doing their own research, the information they gather deserves to be looked at as much as any other source. Plus, I've seen Corbyn quote bloody HuffPo so it goes both ways.
Why?... why does am alt right information site deserve to be looked at by the bbc?
Are you presuming huffpo is left leaning?
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 01:31 PM
Why?... why does am alt right information site deserve to be looked at by the bbc?
Why does it not? As someone who avoids ad hominem arguments, I'm more likely to decide if information deserves to be looked at based on what it says, rather than who is saying it.
Are you presuming huffpo is left leaning?
Would you say that's an unfair assumption?
Owen Jones is a journalist.And a political activist.
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Kizzy
06-08-2018, 02:41 PM
Why does it not? As someone who avoids ad hominem arguments, I'm more likely to decide if information deserves to be looked at based on what it says, rather than who is saying it.
Would you say that's an unfair assumption?
It's just not usual to find someone who accepts that there is a sometimes clear political bias in the media, by accepting that huffpo is left leaning then you will be accepting that breitbart is seen as the opposite in terms of ethos.
My post was wondering why the BBC which claims to be independent of bias is giving only the right a platform...you indicated that Corbyn quoted huffpo not the BBC.... he is perfectly entitled to quote whomsoever he chooses.
For a debate to be balanced the 'independent' BBC you would have thought would seek out a counter to the right wing veiwpoint wouldn't you think?
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 02:42 PM
And a political activist.
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Whereas robinson is neither journalist or political activist.. he has no political allegiance. He's just a rabble rouser.
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 03:10 PM
It's just not usual to find someone who accepts that there is a sometimes clear political bias in the media, by accepting that huffpo is left leaning then you will be accepting that breitbart is seen as the opposite in terms of ethos.
My post was wondering why the BBC which claims to be independent of bias is giving only the right a platform...you indicated that Corbyn quoted huffpo not the BBC.... he is perfectly entitled to quote whomsoever he chooses.
For a debate to be balanced the 'independent' BBC you would have thought would seek out a counter to the right wing veiwpoint wouldn't you think?
If they're reporting on something, they can use whatever sources they desire.
I'm not even sure what article you're referring to, when did they cite Breitbart with no counterpoints?
Whereas robinson is neither journalist or political activist.. he has no political allegiance. He's just a rabble rouser.As much as you want that to be true, the fact is it's not, is it?
Robinson was a journalist for Rebel media, he was thrown in prison for reporting on a sex grooming gang case as an independent journalist.
He's not going away, trying to shut him up makes him stronger.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 03:41 PM
If they're reporting on something, they can use whatever sources they desire.
I'm not even sure what article you're referring to, when did they cite Breitbart with no counterpoints?
Well no they can't if they want to be seen as independent and impartial they can't be relying on sources like that.
If you're not sure what I'm referring to what are you basing your argument on?
Educate yourself and then come back with a more informed opinion.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 03:42 PM
As much as you want that to be true, the fact is it's not, is it?
Robinson was a journalist for Rebel media, he was thrown in prison for reporting on a sex grooming gang case as an independent journalist.
He's not going away, trying to shut him up makes him stronger.
I see you are feeling suitably roused
I see you are feeling suitably rousedNick Griffin was ended by appearing on Question time, why don't you want Tommy to be given a platform on mainstream television?
Ye have little faith in the people
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 04:22 PM
Well no they can't if they want to be seen as independent and impartial they can't be relying on sources like that.
What sources should they use?
If you're not sure what I'm referring to what are you basing your argument on?
I'm talking generally - if they're reporting on something, of course they're going to use sources, I don't need to know what you're referring to.
So in which article did they cite Breitbart?
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 04:23 PM
Nick Griffin was ended by appearing on Question time, why don't you want Tommy to be given a platform on mainstream television?
Ye have little faith in the people
Yeah that's part of the reason all sides should support giving platforms to vile people - until that creature appeared on Question Time, the BNP controlled several councils, and they basically evaporated when people saw what he believed.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 05:30 PM
Nick Griffin was ended by appearing on Question time, why don't you want Tommy to be given a platform on mainstream television?
Ye have little faith in the people
I don't, you're right... I think that people are easily led... spoonfed rhetoric and prejudice by the alt right via mediums like breitbart. As well as adopting views espoused by robinson.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 05:36 PM
What sources should they use?
I'm talking generally - if they're reporting on something, of course they're going to use sources, I don't need to know what you're referring to.
So in which article did they cite Breitbart?
Not an alt right one..
you are approaching this debate from a position of pure ignorance as you haven't even attempted to research where I'm coming from in relation to this issue. I'm not minded to lay out the facts for you here.
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 05:43 PM
Not an alt right one..
you are approaching this debate from a position of pure ignorance as you haven't even attempted to research where I'm coming from in relation to this issue. I'm not minded to lay out the facts for you here.
Have you turned into Dezzy or something, why can't you link the article you're talking about? I did a quick google, did you mean this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-38005983)? It's hardly glowing with praise.
I don't, you're right... I think that people are easily led... spoonfed rhetoric and prejudice by the alt right via mediums like breitbart. As well as adopting views espoused by robinson.And people will say the same about far-left socialist rhetoric and prejudice via mediums like The Guardian. Why not just let the people be free to listen and make up their own mind freely?
Your solution of censoring certain opinions is quite a fascist solution. That doesn't mean I think you're fascist, because I don't think you are, It just means that I think you're wrong on this.
Toy Soldier
06-08-2018, 06:28 PM
The Guardian is "far left socialist"? :joker:
The Guardian is "far left socialist"? :joker:Breibart is far-right:joker:
Anyone can do that.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 06:37 PM
And people will say the same about far-left socialist rhetoric and prejudice via mediums like The Guardian. Why not just let the people be free to listen and make up their own mind freely?
Your solution of censoring certain opinions is quite a fascist solution. That doesn't mean I think you're fascist, because I don't think you are, It just means that I think you're wrong on this.
The Guardian is not far left socialist rhetoric ... :/
It's not a fascist solution to suggest that an independent broadcaster doesn't give a platform to the alt right.
Toy Soldier
06-08-2018, 06:38 PM
Breibart is far-right:joker:
Anyone can do that.
The Guardian is a mainstream tabloid; it's left, but it's the flipside of something like the Daily Mail, not a niche right-wing opinion piece site like Breitbart.
If you're looking for a lefty comparison to Breitbart, it would be Huffington Post... not The Guardian.
I think the FACT that ALL mainstream media has reported on this, and the FACT that NONE are owned by jews is very telling on the way the public are seeing this.
The Guardian is not far left socialist rhetoric ... :/
It's not a fascist solution to suggest that an independent broadcaster doesn't give a platform to the alt right.Did I say it was? or did I say that's what some people say? Just in the same way people say Breitbart is far-right, alt-right.
The Guardian is a mainstream tabloid; it's left, but it's the flipside of something like the Daily Mail, not a niche right-wing opinion piece site like Breitbart.
If you're looking for a lefty comparison to Breitbart, it would be Huffington Post... not The Guardian.It gives a platform to far-left socialists to contribute to it, does it not? Do you think it should be stopped from doing that?
arista
06-08-2018, 07:00 PM
[Labour drops investigation into Margaret Hodge
row with Jeremy Corbyn]
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-drops-investigation-into-margaret-hodge-row-with-jeremy-corbyn-11463699
[Labour drops investigation into Margaret Hodge
row with Jeremy Corbyn]
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-drops-investigation-into-margaret-hodge-row-with-jeremy-corbyn-11463699
So he has basically admitted to being a racist old bastard.:shrug:
Oliver_W
06-08-2018, 07:27 PM
It gives a platform to far-left socialists to contribute to it, does it not? Do you think it should be stopped from doing that?
Nope. If socialists or fascists want to expose themselves, I say give them the platform so we can all see. I'm all for there being more opinions visible, not less.
And if the Graniaud were to turn into an outlet exclusively for the far left, then the market would respond and they'd either lose massive business or gain twice the readership. Either way, it'd be on their heads!
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 07:51 PM
Did I say it was? or did I say that's what some people say? Just in the same way people say Breitbart is far-right, alt-right.
It's not down to personal interpretation. Breitbart is unashamedly far right.
Kizzy
06-08-2018, 07:54 PM
[Labour drops investigation into Margaret Hodge
row with Jeremy Corbyn]
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-drops-investigation-into-margaret-hodge-row-with-jeremy-corbyn-11463699
I'm really disappointed in that, should he or any other male MP have delivered such an attack on a female member it would've been a national scandal!
She shouldn't be allowed to be so offensive without recourse.
smudgie
07-08-2018, 07:40 AM
More fibs about Mrs.Hodge.
Labour first saying that she apologised, now saying she had showed regret. Statements from both her and her solicitors denying both the apology and her “being regretful “.
You couldn’t make it up....oh hang on.:joker:
Toy Soldier
07-08-2018, 08:51 AM
It gives a platform to far-left socialists to contribute to it, does it not? Do you think it should be stopped from doing that?I think that anyone who puts any stock in any tabloid is a mouth-breathing idiot, quite frankly Alf. I don't think anyone should be "stopped" from doing anything as that would be political censorship, however, I do think people - everyone - should stop buying and reading them.
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