Mental health/controversial treatments

[Mitchell]

no really i didn't do it because of that


if i was to be banned, so be it, but i want to be straightforward about who i am, what my problems are, for people to understand me better

You did it now because you didn’t want me to expose you for being racist about strictly contestants, so you thought you’d go one step ahead and post that so you can gain sympathy straight away from the ‘crisp munching British trailer trash’ as you call them...

And now it’s 6pm so you’ll toddle off leaving all the destruction behind you, so you can return in the morning and start over again.

[Marsh.]

‘crisp munching British trailer trash’

:omgno:

[Cherie]

You did it now because you didn’t want me to expose you for being racist about strictly contestants, so you thought you’d go one step ahead and post that so you can gain sympathy straight away from the ‘crisp munching British trailer trash’ as you call them...

And now it’s 6pm so you’ll toddle off leaving all the destruction behind you, so you can return in the morning and start over again.

:joker: up there with Shakespeare for use of descriptive language

[Mitchell]

:joker: up there with Shakespeare for use of descriptive language

Someone tell Carol Ann Duffy that she’s got competition from an angry racist

[Marsh.]

Well, Cherie and I will not give up our love of salt and vinegar Squares for ANYONE.

[Cherie]

Well, Cherie and I will not give up our love of salt and vinegar Squares for ANYONE.

Well said

[Mitchell]

(Should probably clarify that the crisp munching part wasn’t the racist stuff he said)

[Matthew.]

Ooh are we having crisps? :amazed:

[Mitchell]

Ooh are we having crisps? :amazed:

Quavers for our Matthew x

[Matthew.]

YUCK not Quavers :yuk: No thank you!

[Mitchell]

YUCK not Quavers :yuk: No thank you!

All of a sudden Nicky being racist doesn’t seem like the biggest crime...

[Matthew.]

Quavers are stinking

[Twosugars]

Ooh are we having crisps? :amazed:

:nono: you've eaten enough for today
Actually enough for the next three days
So no crisps for you :fist:

[Matthew.]

:nono: you've eaten enough for today
Actually enough for the next three days
So no crisps for you :fist:

Leave me ALONE, I haven’t had any crisps today, and I didn’t have yesterday either :fist:

:angel:

[Twosugars]

Leave me ALONE, I haven’t had any crisps today, and I didn’t have yesterday either :fist:

:angel:

He said surrounded by empty packets :idc:

[Matthew.]

He said surrounded by empty packets :idc:

OF AFTER EIGHTS, those are AFTER EIGHTS!!! :fist::fist::fist:

[Twosugars]

OF AFTER EIGHTS, those are AFTER EIGHTS!!! :fist::fist::fist:

It's not even SEVEN :oh:

[Matthew.]

It's not even SEVEN :oh:

It is now :hmph:

[Twosugars]

It is now :hmph:

Still NOT AFTER EIGHT you greedy greedy child :fist:

[user104658]

Well, Cherie and I will not give up our love of salt and vinegar Squares for ANYONE.I got salt n vinegar Squares as part of my sandwich meal deal last week and my wife was like, "ew was there nothing else?".

Talk about controversy. I don't know *who* I married.

[Cherie]

I got salt n vinegar Squares as part of my sandwich meal deal last week and my wife was like, "ew was there nothing else?".

Talk about controversy. I don't know *who* I married.

you need to get rid asap :oh:

[Marsh.]

I got salt n vinegar Squares as part of my sandwich meal deal last week and my wife was like, "ew was there nothing else?".

Talk about controversy. I don't know *who* I married.

My god, DIVORCE HER!

[Redway]

Anyone want to give this thread another go?

P.S.: how’s everyone’s psychological well-being been since the pandemic started?

[Livia]

Yes Red, lets give it another go, maybe this time without the name-calling and singling out of FMs.

I've been great during the whole pandemic but I realise I'm in quite a unique position. I was pregnant with my daughter during the first lockdown, my husband worked from home, my parents live a short walk away... it was a good time for me. However, I do understand that not everyone has had a good, or even passable time. Now you can't see a GP face to face... and with mental health services straining at the seams I'm wondering how people with mental health issues cope.

[user104658]

Anyone want to give this thread another go?

P.S.: how’s everyone’s psychological well-being been since the pandemic started?

Fine mostly until recently, a bit crappier since I hurt my foot but still OK, but have to be honest kinda trash since last week when I found out it's going to need surgery/potentially have some permanent issues. All exacerbated by not really being able to get out of the house much. Cabin fever really setting in and I've convinced myself that after the surgery I'm going to get an infection in the bone and lose my leg and/or die.

[AnnieK]

I'm doing good now - during the initial lockdown, not so good

Massive anxiety about everything - work, school, family etc etc. Was never scared of getting the virus but was anxious about everything it seemed to be destroying. I was furloughed pretty much straight away and that knocked me right off. Other than 6 months mat leave, I have never not worked since I left college and so i was at a loss of what to do.

I was having daily panic attacks - heart palpitations etc.

I got a grip of myself though and been fine since - now I'm back in work full time whilst juggling after school activities, sports etc I now wish I was still furloughed :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Went good for me, I had 3 months WFH (and it was pretty quiet so that didn't take up lots of the day) Gav worked through the whole thing, Luke was around though so we had company for each other. I went back in to work after the initial 3 months so it wasn't that different to normal life besides the social bit. Was a bit bored of not being able to go away for a weekend, go out to dinner etc by the end though. I would say my mental health wasn't effected much over all

[Redway]

Any chance of getting this thread made sticky?

[Redway]

Glad to hear everyone’s been (mostly) good mental health-wise, btw.

I probably shouldn’t say this but I feel like certain strains of cannabis are beneficial for clarity of thought. They bring the unpleasant thoughts swirling around at the back of your subconscious to the forefront but in a way that makes you see sense and realise that you’ve got nothing to feel guilty about when you’re genuinely not the one in the wrong (in those sort of situations at least). I’ve been dealing with that over the past few weeks but after two smokes of a quality Stardawg I was able to see sense in the situation and stopped feeling guilty for something which had virtually nothing to do with me.

[Kizzy]

Thanks, I stand by my comments here, I don't agree with unelected ECT, those that can consent run the risk of memory impairment and very temporary results.
If however you feel this is your only option, every other avenue has been exhausted and you are aware of the risks...well it's available.

[michael21]

I am lucky as I have no Mental health issues but for thoses that do I always here if you need to talk via pm

[glib]

I am lucky as I have no Mental health issues but for thoses that do I always here if you need to talk via pm

Awww Michael :kiss:

[Redway]

Thanks, I stand by my comments here, I don't agree with unelected ECT, those that can consent run the risk of memory impairment and very temporary results.
If however you feel this is your only option, every other avenue has been exhausted and you are aware of the risks...well it's available.

And what experience have you got to back that up? (I’m asking that with the most respectful intentions in the world so don’t even start taking it the wrong way.)

[michael21]

And what experience have you got to back that up? (I’m asking that with the most respectful intentions in the world so don’t even start taking it the wrong way.)

Don't take this the wrong way there all kind of ways to treat metal heath one way might work for you and an other for someone else there no right or wrong it what works for different people.

[user104658]

Don't take this the wrong way there all kind of ways to treat metal heath one way might work for you and an other for someone else there no right or wrong it what works for different people.Very true Michael, there are no "correct answers" or magic fixes with mental health unfortunately, just trial and error, things that work wonders for one person can do nothing for another or even make things worse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think blanket terms like "mental health" help no one and are just open to abuse

[user104658]

i think blanket terms like "mental health" help no one and are just open to abuse:think: how is it a blanket term and what else would you call it?

[Kizzy]

And what experience have you got to back that up? (I’m asking that with the most respectful intentions in the world so don’t even start taking it the wrong way.)

I don't have experience. .I've never had ECT I doubt many here have. I have done some research on the topic which is how I formed my opinion.
Should I want to take it as a slant as you don't appear to challenge others on their opinions as you do me and mine.

You don't get to dictate how I react to anything, please remember that.
I post as I see fit.

[GoldHeart]

i think blanket terms like "mental health" help no one and are just open to abuse

What exactly would you call mental health then

[Crimson Dynamo]

What exactly would you call mental health then

what do you mean by mental health?

[Niamh.]

what do you mean by mental health?

Mental health is just the health of your mind? Everyone has mental health some good mental health some not so good. Just like you would have "women's Health" for things specific to women etc

I think I know what you mean though sometimes people use it as a condition itself like "I suffer with mental health" instead of "My mental health isn't very good atm"

[user104658]

I think perhaps LT thinks that "Mental Health" is some new woke term invented by Meghan Markle, and not just a standard medical term that's existed since before he was born :think:.

I know it's talked about more these days, but it's not "new".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mental health is just the health of your mind? Everyone has mental health some good mental health some not so good. Just like you would have "women's Health" for things specific to women etc

I think I know what you mean though sometimes people use it as a condition itself like "I suffer with mental health" instead of "My mental health isn't very good atm"

and what is "your mind"?

as "mind" is not a scientific term and has a different interpretation for each individual person surely

[Niamh.]

and what is "your mind"?

as "mind" is not a scientific term and has a different interpretation for each individual person surely

Well your brain I guess, a person's ability to think, their consciousness. I mean people suffering with depression for example, that's a mental health condition, an imbalance of chemicals which can be helped with drugs, that's pretty "Science-y" :laugh:

[user104658]

and what is "your mind"?



as "mind" is not a scientific term and has a different interpretation for each individual person surelyMental health relates to the brain. Again it's a medical term, not a spiritual one, I think there's some confusion here. It's not like a "soul", mental health = brain chemistry health.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mental health relates to the brain. Again it's a medical term, not a spiritual one, I think there's some confusion here. It's not like a "soul", mental health = brain chemistry health.

I think i am wary of genuine diagnosed issues with the brain and self-diagnosed umbrella terms that social media can latch onto and legitimise.

[Livia]

I think perhaps LT thinks that "Mental Health" is some new woke term invented by Meghan Markle, and not just a standard medical term that's existed since before he was born :think:.

I know it's talked about more these days, but it's not "new".

I see where he's coming from. If you're suffering from bipolar, it's often covered by the blanket term "mental health problems". If you have heart disease you have heart disease, it's never covered under a blanket term like "physical health problems".

[user104658]

I see where he's coming from. If you're suffering from bipolar, it's often covered by the blanket term "mental health problems". If you have heart disease you have heart disease, it's never covered under a blanket term like "physical health problems".They're different things though... I think there is a comparative example there. You can live with bipolar disorder, you can live with a heart condition. Sometimes people with bipolar have it well managed - their mental health is fine. Sometimes people with heart conditions have it well managed - their general health is fine.

I guess the issue is the general public or perhaps the press using "mental health" as a catch all? It certainly wouldn't ever be in a healthcare setting. It's different things. They'd have to say "The patient has bipolar disorder, and their mental health is currently poor". The latter could be caused BY the former but it's not interchangeable. It's just the same as saying "The patient suffers from a heart condition, and their general health is currently poor".

[Redway]

I’m at a stage where I’m just going through a lot of my older threads and seeing if there’s scope for discussion now and it feels like there is with this one (although there was a lot of needless heat nearer the beginning). How’s everyone’s mental health been since the pandemic came to an end (more-or-less)?

[Redway]

https://youtu.be/61jbsio1vhM?si=Foc1O_QcuODrtmfE

Anyone who’s got any experience using core MAOIs (so not moclobemide; more like phenelzine/tranylcypromine), by the way, feel free to come through and share your experiences. Do you operate under Ken Gillman’s system of adding a norepinephrine reuptake-enhancer (like desipramine/nortriptyline/lofepramine) to your regime so you don’t have to worry much about tyramine in any food or do you just wing it and hope for the best/no hypertensive-crisis reaction to what you eat and drink? Or do you actually follow the strict official guidelines to the letter?

[Redway]

I think i am wary of genuine diagnosed issues with the brain and self-diagnosed umbrella terms that social media can latch onto and legitimise.

Some conditions, like misophonia (like I said in the other thread), have to be self-diagnosed because official diagnostic books haven’t caught up with their condition but yeah. Yeah. People who self-diagnose autism and ADHD based on nothing and no context other than this growing trend to see it as trendy to be neurodivergent take it way too far and cheapen the experience of people with genuine problems. It makes a mockery of valid self-diagnosis.

[user104658]

Over-self-diagnosis and even over-diagnosis clinically is a bit of a bugbear of mine... it's badly skewing public perception and even professional perception. Nothing quite like having to explain that your child is "actually significantly disabled" when people assume that it means they're just "a bit quirky and obsessed with special interests" etc.

[Redway]

https://youtu.be/RB6gV14eir8?si=RFE8TY74aoTgjueT

I’d wager a guess that there are more narcissists with ADHD (which can give them a certain orgasmic intensity when it comes to smear-campaign and malignant gossip) than victims of narcissistic abuse who present with ADD complexes but then I’m especially careful about not inherently over-pathologising the victims of narcissistic abuse/chronic gaslighting. A lot of people just don’t know or understand the full extent of the seriousness of ‘interpersonal toxicity’ and narcissism.

[Redway]

https://youtu.be/61jbsio1vhM?si=Foc1O_QcuODrtmfE

Anyone who’s got any experience using core MAOIs (so not moclobemide; more like phenelzine/tranylcypromine), by the way, feel free to come through and share your experiences. Do you operate under Ken Gillman’s system of adding a norepinephrine reuptake-enhancer (like desipramine/nortriptyline/lofepramine) to your regime so you don’t have to worry much about tyramine in any food or do you just wing it and hope for the best/no hypertensive-crisis reaction to what you eat and drink? Or do you actually follow the strict official guidelines to the letter?

Anyone?