Roxanne quite happy to play box with Ben

[Vanessa]

But has a problem with Ryan doing the same thing :suspect:

[kingston]

But has a problem with Ryan doing the same thing :suspect:

So just because your partner touches your genitials makes it acceptable for anyone to touch them at leisure?

[joeysteele]

Indeed.
She's pathetic.

[kingston]

Indeed.
She's pathetic.

Victim shaming is just as pathetic...

[Vanessa]

Clearly she thinks it's ok if you fancy them :shrug:

[Vanessa]

Roxanne isn't a victim. She manipulated the situation to try and get Ryan out. Getting rid of the competition. She's so silly she can't even see that the real competition is Kristy.

[kingston]

Clearly she thinks it's ok if you fancy them :shrug:

It’s normal for people to set their own boundaries... The criteria is irrelevant...

[Vanessa]

It’s normal for people to set their own boundaries... The criteria is irrelevant...

It's the same thing.

[kingston]

Roxanne isn't a victim. She manipulated the situation to try and get Ryan out. Getting rid of the competition. She's so silly she can't even see that the real competition is Kristy.

I fail to see how she is “manipulating” the situation... It’s also not as if she just picked Ryan at random... There is video proof that he came at her in a manner that made her uncomfortable...

[Vanessa]

I fail to see how she is “manipulating” the situation... It’s also not as if she just picked Ryan at random... There is video proof that he came at her in a manner that made her uncomfortable...
But he barely made contact and she was clutching her other side. Ryan was nowhere near it.

[kingston]

It's the same thing.

As I said the criteria doesn’t matter... Just because it’s welcomed behaviour from one person doesn’t make it welcomed from everyone... It’s like saying touching someone’s genitials at random is ok just because it’s welcomed from someone else...

[Vanessa]

As I said the criteria doesn’t matter... Just because it’s welcomed behaviour from one person doesn’t make it welcomed from everyone... It’s like saying touching someone’s genitials at random is ok just because it’s welcomed from someone else...

It's not the same thing and you know it. She's picking and choosing who to discriminate against.

[kingston]

But he barely made contact and she was clutching her other side. Ryan was nowhere near it.

You clearly don’t understand the concept of consent... It doesn’t matter whether he “made contact” or not... The behaviour was still unwelcomed...

[Northern Monkey]

So just because your partner touches your genitials makes it acceptable for anyone to touch them at leisure?

What?Who touched her genitals?

[Elliot]

As I said the criteria doesn’t matter... Just because it’s welcomed behaviour from one person doesn’t make it welcomed from everyone... It’s like saying touching someone’s genitials at random is ok just because it’s welcomed from someone else...

Legitimately curious, how do you think big brother should’ve handeled this ordeal?

[Vanessa]

You clearly don’t understand the concept of consent... It doesn’t matter whether he “made contact” or not... The behaviour was still unwelcomed...
And yet its very welcomed when Ben does it. I get it.

[kingston]

It's not the same thing and you know it. She's picking and choosing who to discriminate against.

It is the same thing and yes I know it... Everyone is entitled to set their own personal boundaries...

[kingston]

Legitimately curious, how do you think big brother should’ve handeled this ordeal?

Exactly how they’ve handled it...

[Vanessa]

It is the same thing and yes I know it... Everyone is entitled to set their own personal boundaries...

She playfights with the other lads. But when Ryan does it, suddenly its not ok. :suspect:

[Vanessa]

Even DS is on Ryan's side and they don't even like him. :joker:

[kingston]

And yet its very welcomed when Ben does it. I get it.

Again that fact that she is comfortable with Ben is irrellevent... Just because behaviour is welcomed by one person does not make it welcomed by everyone...

[kingston]

She playfights with the other lads. But when Ryan does it, suddenly its not ok. :suspect:

Yes it’s called personal boundaries and it’s normal for people to set them...

[Vanessa]

Yes it’s called personal boundaries and it’s normal for people to set them...

It's called double standards.

[kingston]

It's called double standards.

Again back to the example I’ve been giving is it a double standard that a person allows a sexual partner to touch them in a sexual manner and not others?

[Vanessa]

Again back to the example I’ve been giving is it a double standard that a person allows a sexual partner to touch them in a sexual manner and not others?

It wasn't a sexual touch.

[rusticgal]

So just because your partner touches your genitials makes it acceptable for anyone to touch them at leisure?


Bens not her partner though?..:shrug:

[Vanessa]

Bens not her partner though?..:shrug:

Exactly.

[rusticgal]

I fail to see how she is “manipulating” the situation... It’s also not as if she just picked Ryan at random... There is video proof that he came at her in a manner that made her uncomfortable...

Ben telling her he loved her should have made her more uncomfortable...bearing in mind she's engaged...:shrug:

[Vanessa]

Ben telling her he loved her should have made her more uncomfortable...bearing in mind she's engaged...:shrug:

She's using Ben for airtime. So she strings him along.

[kingston]

It wasn't a sexual touch.

It’s still unwelcomed behaviour... It could literally be anything... In terms of this situation the actual act is irrellevent... If you want to talk about double standards you’re doing exactly that... Saying one type of unwelcomed behaviour is acceptable over another just because one is “sexual” and the other is not...

Bens not her partner though?..:shrug:

Whether he is or not isn’t relevant...

[kingston]

She's using Ben for airtime. So she strings him along.

Now you’re just being trivial... Her relationship with Ben has nothing to do with what happened with Ryan...

[rusticgal]

You clearly don’t understand the concept of consent... It doesn’t matter whether he “made contact” or not... The behaviour was still unwelcomed...


But she play fights with everyone...Ryan felt comfortable doing that with her rather than say Sally...because that's all Roxanne has done in the house..play fighting..jumping around the house around everyone...then suddenly it's unacceptable...it doesn't make sense.

[Vanessa]

It’s still unwelcomed behaviour... It could literally be anything... In terms of this situation the actual act is irrellevent... If you want to talk about double standards you’re doing exactly that... Saying one type of unwelcomed behaviour is acceptable over another just because one is “sexual” and the other is not...



Whether he is or not isn’t relevant...
But she's perfectly OK with Ben rubbing his foot on her back. :shrug:

[kingston]

Ben telling her he loved her should have made her more uncomfortable...bearing in mind she's engaged...:shrug:

That has nothing to do with the situation with Ryan...

[kingston]

But she's perfectly OK with Ben rubbing his foot on her back. :shrug:

Again just because touching is acceptable from one person does not mean it’s welcomed from everyone...

[Amy Jade]

She can set whatever boundaries she wants with whoever she wants. I think tonight she was out of order but to basically say well she does this with one person why not another is ridiculous.

If she is comfortable to play fight with one person doesn't mean she is obliged to do the same with another person. My 7 year old cousin grabs me on the leg and runs away and I chase him. By the standard set on here I should be fine with a stranger grabbing me too because I let somebody I am comfortable with do it.

[rusticgal]

It’s still unwelcomed behaviour... It could literally be anything... In terms of this situation the actual act is irrellevent... If you want to talk about double standards you’re doing exactly that... Saying one type of unwelcomed behaviour is acceptable over another just because one is “sexual” and the other is not...



Whether he is or not isn’t relevant...


Then she should stop playing around like some 12 year old after eating too many sweets...you can't have your cake and eat it.

[Vanessa]

Again just because touching is acceptable from one person does not mean it’s welcomed from everyone...

But she playfights with everyone. She only complained because it was Ryan.

[Vanessa]

She can set whatever boundaries she wants with whoever she wants. I think tonight she was out of order but to basically say well she does this with one person why not another is ridiculous.

If she is comfortable to play fight with one person doesn't mean she is obliged to do the same with another person. My 7 year old cousin grabs me on the leg and runs away and I chase him. By the standard set on here I should be fine with a stranger grabbing me too because I let somebody I am comfortable with do it.
But he's not a stranger.

[kingston]

But she play fights with everyone...Ryan felt comfortable doing that with her rather than say Sally...because that's all Roxanne has done in the house..play fighting..jumping around the house around everyone...then suddenly it's unacceptable...it doesn't make sense.

It doesn’t have to “make sense” to you... I’m not sure why the concept of consent is so forgin to you? Why is it not acceptable for someone to set their own personal boundaries?

[Amy Jade]

But she playfights with everyone. She only complained because it was Ryan.

I disagree with her complaint but playfighting is a two way thing. Without an obliging partner you are just attacking - playfully or not.

[rusticgal]

She can set whatever boundaries she wants with whoever she wants. I think tonight she was out of order but to basically say well she does this with one person why not another is ridiculous.

If she is comfortable to play fight with one person doesn't mean she is obliged to do the same with another person. My 7 year old cousin grabs me on the leg and runs away and I chase him. By the standard set on here I should be fine with a stranger grabbing me too because I let somebody I am comfortable with do it.


Ryan isn't a stranger...she knows him through the industry and she's been living with him for over 2 weeks...hardly a stranger is he?

[Vanessa]

I disagree with her complaint but playfighting is a two way thing. Without an obliging partner you are just attacking - playfully or not.

He barely made contact and she was clutching the wrong side. Pathetic attempt at getting rid of the competition.

[kingston]

Then she should stop playing around like some 12 year old after eating too many sweets...you can't have your cake and eat it.

What are you talking about? If you’re trying to slut shame Roxanne isn’t not going to happen... Just because someone acts a particular way does not imply they are “asking for it”...

[Alf]

As long as most of us know that it was a massive overreaction from Roxanne (again), then the truth will out and she'll be the one who comes off the worst out of this.

[kingston]

He barely made contact and she was clutching the wrong side. Pathetic attempt at getting rid of the competition.

That’s your opinion but it doesn’t mean that the behaviour was welcomed...

[rusticgal]

It doesn’t have to “make sense” to you... I’m not sure why the concept of consent is so forgin to you? Why is it not acceptable for someone to set their own personal boundaries?

Because it's hypocritical..

[Amy Jade]

But he's not a stranger.

Irrelevant.

Just because you know somebody doesn't mean they can put their hands on you at their own choosing. If the man who serves you in tesco regularly saw you hug your friend is it ok for him to then throw his arms around you?

[kingston]

As long as most of us know that it was a massive overreaction from Roxanne (again), then the truth will out and she'll be the one who comes off the worst out of this.

How do you know it was a “massive overreaction”? You aren’t Roxanne so you have no idea how it made her feel and you don’t have the right to dictate someone else’s personal boundaries...

[Vanessa]

That’s your opinion but it doesn’t mean that the behaviour was welcomed...

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. She lied to get him trown out. She said he hurt her, yet she was holding the wrong side. Not the side where ryan was.

[Vanessa]

Irrelevant.

Just because you know somebody doesn't mean they can put their hands on you at their own choosing. If the man who serves you in tesco regularly saw you hug your friend is it ok for him to then throw his arms around you?

It was just playfighting, something she does all the time herself. Hardly hugging her?

[Amy Jade]

He barely made contact and she was clutching the wrong side. Pathetic attempt at getting rid of the competition.

Now you keep moving the goalposts. I believe he did not make contact with her and she is in the wrong but the OP you wrote seems to indicate that because she playfights with a person she is somehow obliged to do the same with another person.

That sentiment I disagree with.

[Vanessa]

When even DS is backing you, that says everything. Roxanne has sealed her own fate. She won't win now.

[Alf]

How do you know it was a “massive overreaction”? You aren’t Roxanne so you have no idea how it made her feel and you don’t have the right to dictate someone else’s personal boundaries...Because I said so, and what I say, go's.

I'll dictate peoples personal boundries whenever I like, what you gonna do to stop me, type at me?

[Elliot]

How do you know it was a “massive overreaction”? You aren’t Roxanne so you have no idea how it made her feel and you don’t have the right to dictate someone else’s personal boundaries...

You also aren’t Ryan so you don’t know how it feels to be antagonised, given and formal warning and have someone call for your ejection for playfighting that has consisted in the house for its entire duration thru multiple people. And you’re doing the same thing roxy is doing by comparing touching of genitals/ saying racial slurs to playfighting, conflating him with actual rulebresking criminal acts/people
And yes I agree with you earlier they handled it fine production wise by showing the situation. It has let people judge the situation by themselves, and you have to look no further than the getroxyout hashtag trending for the consensus

[Amy Jade]

It was just playfighting, something she does all the time herself. Hardly hugging her?

It was just hugging. You hugged your friend so the bloke from tesco you speak to a few times a week can hug you whenever he wants.

[kingston]

Because it's hypocritical..

How is setting personal boundaries hypocritical? By your mentality it’s hypocritical for someone to say they were raped because they consented to sexual intercourse with one person and not another...

[Vanessa]

Now you keep moving the goalposts. I believe he did not make contact with her and she is in the wrong but the OP you wrote seems to indicate that because she playfights with a person she is somehow obliged to do the same with another person.

That sentiment I disagree with.
Maybe not, but he doesn't deserve to get thrown out over it.

[Vanessa]

It was just hugging. You hugged your friend so the bloke from tesco you speak to a few times a week can hug you whenever he wants.

He didn't hug her. It was playfighting.

[kingston]

You also aren’t Ryan so you don’t know how it feels to be antagonised, given and formal warning and have someone call for your ejection for playfighting that has consisted in the house for its entire duration thru multiple people. And you’re doing the same thing roxy is doing by comparing touching of genitals/ saying racial slurs to playfighting, conflating him with actual rulebresking criminal acts/people
And yes I agree with you earlier they handled it fine production wise by showing the situation. It has let people judge the situation by themselves, and you have to look no further than the getroxyout hashtag trending for the consensus

I’m not speaking for Ryan nor am I speaking for Roxanne... I’m comparing those two things because there really is no difference between what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour... Personal boundaries are boundaries and it doesn’t matter how they are violated...

[Amy Jade]

Maybe not, but he doesn't deserve to get thrown out over it.

I don't think he does either. I am actually on Ryan's side but again, you say she lets Ben playfight her so should allow Ryan...why?

If she has a relationship with Ben where she is comfortable to playfight with him that doesn't mean she has the same relationship with Ryan. We have different boundaries with different people.

[Amy Jade]

He didn't hug her. It was playfighting.

Yeah the point is going straight over your head Vanessa.

[kingston]

He didn't hug her. It was playfighting.

That doesn’t matter... It’s the same thing regardless of what the act is... A violation of personal boundaries is still a violation...

[kingston]

Yeah the point is going straight over your head Vanessa.

Well said...

[Vanessa]

That doesn’t matter... It’s the same thing regardless of what the act is... A violation of personal boundaries is still a violation...

It was playfighting, fgs. People have done far worse on the show. Before it went all pc.

[Pro Sniper]

When even DS is backing you, that says everything. Roxanne has sealed her own fate. She won't win now.

:conf: Was she close to the win minus this latest bullshyte of hers? :joker: Her odds have been steadily rising as the days pass. Even Nick Leeson had a better chance than her prior to her latest nonsense.

[Vanessa]

Yeah the point is going straight over your head Vanessa.

I don't think it's the same thing. A hug is different from a playfight.

[kingston]

Maybe not, but he doesn't deserve to get thrown out over it.

You’re entitled to your opinion in this regard... Regardless Roxanne is still entitled to feel violated enough to not want to be around him... That said I agree that his behaviour doesn’t warrant a removal at this point...

[Alf]

That doesn’t matter... It’s the same thing regardless of what the act is... A violation of personal boundaries is still a violation...I've decided that you violated my personal boundries by replying negatively to my post. I can't sleep now.

[Vanessa]

:conf: Was she close to the win minus this latest bullshyte of hers? :joker: Her odds have been steadily rising as the days pass. Even Nick Leeson had a better chance than her prior to her latest nonsense.

That's good to hear. She needs to go.

[Vanessa]

You’re entitled to your opinion in this regard... Regardless Roxanne is still entitled to feel violated enough to not want to be around him... That said I agree that his behaviour doesn’t warrant a removal at this point...

I think she's overreacting big time. That's all.

[Alf]

If I get banned, can I still play Top Answers?

[kingston]

It was playfighting, fgs. People have done far worse on the show. Before it went all pc.

What’s happened in the past is irrellevent... Only Roxanne can define her own personal boundaries... Just because it was acceptable for someone else does not mean someone else will consider it in the same manner...

[Pink Panther]

Because I said so, and what I say, go's.

I'll dictate peoples personal boundries whenever I like, what you gonna do to stop me, type at me?

I love u, Mr Magoo!

[Pink Panther]

How is setting personal boundaries hypocritical? By your mentality it’s hypocritical for someone to say they were raped because they consented to sexual intercourse with one person and not another...

He didn't even touch her. Calm the **** down.

[Vanessa]

What’s happened in the past is irrellevent... Only Roxanne can define her own personal boundaries... Just because it was acceptable for someone else does not mean someone else will consider it in the same manner...

Same goes for Ryan. And Roxanne trying to make him look like an abuser is also wrong.

[Greg!]

I can't believe people are actually defending ha :skull: This website never ceases to amaze me.

Still want her in mind! For the mess

[kingston]

I think she's overreacting big time. That's all.

That’s fine... However it doesn’t give you the right to write off the entire situation... Roxanne is still entitled to feel violated and your opinion doesn’t discount Ryan’s behaviour...

[Alf]

I love u, Mr Magoo!I love you too Pinky.

[Pink Panther]

I can't believe people are actually defending ha :skull: This website never ceases to amaze me.

Still want her in mind! For the mess

:smug:

[Vanessa]

I can't believe people are actually defending ha :skull: This website never ceases to amaze me.

Still want her in mind! For the mess

Even ds is backing ryan on this :joker:

[rusticgal]

What are you talking about? If you’re trying to slut shame Roxanne isn’t not going to happen... Just because someone acts a particular way does not imply they are “asking for it”...

Slut shame??....since when did I do that?...'asking for it'...I never said she was 'asking for it'... What Roxanne did tonight was disgraceful and what she called Ryan and the insinuations she made was disgraceful...to ask for his removal was out of order. If you want to be the prize prankster in the house..then don't go crying when someone pulls a prank on you. She isn't a prankster but she's playful to the point of being annoying. She acts like a tomboy..fooling around with the lads (more so Ben)...then cries wolf when someone fools around with her....
If Ryan hurt her all she had to say was..go easy that hurt..then laugh it off...but she called him a woman beater...Do you think that was right?..Do you seriously think that his behaviour made her feel uncomfortable enough to not sleep in the same room as him..especially as she had spent the evening partying with him?
She should be ashamed of herself...she went too far.

[Vanessa]

That’s fine... However it doesn’t give you the right to write off the entire situation... Roxanne is still entitled to feel violated and your opinion doesn’t discount Ryan’s behaviour...

Her behaviour is attention seeking at best.

[kingston]

I can't believe people are actually defending ha :skull: This website never ceases to amaze me.

Still want her in mind! For the mess

I can’t believe there are people on this website that doesn’t understand the concept of consent and personal boundaries... It never ceases to amaze me how low fans of this show can go...

[kingston]

Her behaviour is attention seeking at best.

Now you’re just victim shaming...

[Pink Panther]

I can’t believe there are people on this website that doesn’t understand the concept of consent and personal boundaries... It never ceases to amaze me how low fans of this show can go...

He didn't touch her. Why is it so hard to understand. The video is CLEAR AS DAY.

[kingston]

Slut shame??....since when did I do that?...'asking for it'...I never said she was 'asking for it'... What Roxanne did tonight was disgraceful and what she called Ryan and the insinuations she made was disgraceful...to ask for his removal was out of order. If you want to be the prize prankster in the house..then don't go crying when someone pulls a prank on you. She isn't a prankster but she's playful to the point of being annoying. She acts like a tomboy..fooling around with the lads (more so Ben)...then cries wolf when someone fools around with her....
If Ryan hurt her all she had to say was..go easy that hurt..then laugh it off...but she called him a woman beater...Do you think that was right?..Do you seriously think that his behaviour made her feel uncomfortable enough to not sleep in the same room as him..especially as she had spent the evening partying with him?
She should be ashamed of herself...she went too far.

Roxanne didn’t “insinuate” anything...

[Vanessa]

Now you’re just victim shaming...

Oh please, she isn't a victim. It was just playfighting. He didn't attack her, fgs!

[kingston]

He didn't touch her. Why is it so hard to understand. The video is CLEAR AS DAY.

Unwelcomed behaviour isn’t limited to touching...

[Vanessa]

He didn't touch her. Why is it so hard to understand. The video is CLEAR AS DAY.

This!

[Amy Jade]

I don't think it's the same thing. A hug is different from a playfight.

Both result in personal contact but yet again the difference between the two is actually irrelevant they were just examples but you keep missing the point.

Right. Say I was in the house with two guys, one I was pretty close with and struck up a friendship with and our frienship was such that we would play fight, then a guy I barely knew tried to play the same with me - I would not feel comfortable. I barely know him and our relationship is not developed enough for me to be comfortable to play around and have his hands on me.

Are you suggesting I have no right to say I was uncomfortable with him being in my personal space because I allow another person to? Because that is basically what you are saying.

[Greg!]

I can’t believe there are people on this website that doesn’t understand the concept of consent and personal boundaries... It never ceases to amaze me how low fans of this show can go...

MESS he was only having a laugh. If she was annoyed or actually hurt she had to do was say "ow Ryan that hurt." In fact she did, and Ryan apologised and walked away.

But then she took it too far and tried to get him chucked out and ruin his reputation and career by acting like he's some scary violent person.

You can't be serious trying to defend her :laugh2:

[Vanessa]

Both result in personal contact but yet again the difference between the two is actually irrelevant they were just examples but you keep missing the point.

Right. Say I was in the house with two guys, one I was pretty close with and struck up a friendship with and our frienship was such that we would play fight, then a guy I barely knew tried to play the same with me - I would not feel comfortable. I barely know him and our relationship is not developed enough for me to be comfortable to play around and have his hands on me.

Are you suggesting I have no right to say I was uncomfortable with him being in my personal space because I allow another person to? Because that is basically what you are saying.

I think she overreacted.

[Vanessa]

MESS he was only having a laugh. If she was annoyed or actually hurt she had to do was say "ow Ryan that hurt." In fact she did, and Ryan apologised and walked away.

But then she took it too far and tried to get him chucked out and ruin his reputation and career by acting like he's some scary violent person.

You can't be serious trying to defend her :laugh2:
:clap1:

[Pink Panther]

Unwelcomed behaviour isn’t limited to touching...

I know. But she lied, that's the point. :hee:

[Greg!]

Unwelcomed behaviour isn’t limited to touching...

How far do we take this theory? So should all the housemates be banned from hugging the evictee and saying bye when the result is announced unless they get explicit consent? Stop being ridiculous and obtuse.

[Vanessa]

I know. But she lied, that's the point. :hee:

Yes, she lied. She said he punched her. He didn't even make contact.

[kingston]

Oh please, she isn't a victim. It was just playfighting. He didn't attack her, fgs!

Ryan’s intent doesn’t matter...

[Vanessa]

How far do we take this theory? So should all the housemates be banned from hugging the evictee and saying bye when the result is announced unless they get explicit consent? Stop being ridiculous and obtuse.

:clap1:

[Alf]

Unwelcomed behaviour isn’t limited to touching...It's her behaviour that seems to be the most unwelcome.

[Vanessa]

Ryan’s intent doesn’t matter...

Yes, it does. She said he punched her. He didn't ebrn makes contact! She lied.

[Pink Panther]

It's her behaviour that seems to be the most unwelcome.

Drag both ha and that poster. :hehe:

[Vanessa]

It's her behaviour that seems to be the most unwelcome.

This!

[rusticgal]

I can’t believe there are people on this website that doesn’t understand the concept of consent and personal boundaries... It never ceases to amaze me how low fans of this show can go...


We do....but this scenario isn't an example of that when you have seen the bigger picture. You can't just pluck this out as an example of respecting people's boundaries if you have been watching this poor victim getting in everyone's face and disrespecting their boundaries (since everyone is sick to the teeth of her monopolising every moment for attention)...and how you can condone her behaviour beats me...that's low IMO.

[Amy Jade]

I think she overreacted.

I give up. Clearly you just don't get it.

I agree she overreacted but the fact remains just because you are comfortable with one person engaging with you in a certain way doesn't mean you HAVE to be comfortable with another person engaging with you in the same way. Not even sure how you keep missing the point actually.

[kingston]

How far do we take this theory? So should all the housemates be banned from hugging the evictee and saying bye when the result is announced unless they get explicit consent? Stop being ridiculous and obtuse.

Consent is needed in ALL situations... It is perfectly acceptable for a HM to not want a hug from a particular HM or HM’s...

[Vanessa]

I give up. Clearly you just don't get it.

I agree she overreacted but the fact remains just because you are comfortable with one person engaging with you in a certain way doesn't mean you HAVE to be comfortable with another person engaging with you in rge same way. Not even sure how you keep missing the point actually.She's the first to violate people's boundaries in there.

[Amy Jade]

She's the first to violate people's boundaries in there.

When?

[kingston]

We do....but this scenario isn't an example of that when you have seen the bigger picture. You can't just pluck this out as an example of respecting people's boundaries if you have been watching this poor victim getting in everyone's face and disrespecting their boundaries (since everyone is sick to the teeth of her monopolising every moment for attention)...and how you can condone her behaviour beats me...that's low IMO.

Not once have I heard another HM say that Roxanne had violated their personal boundaries... She may get on peoples nerves but that is not the same thing...

[Vanessa]

When?

She playfights with the boys all the time.

[tanussa]

I reckon she is mentally disturbed & I am beginning to find her really unhinged & quite scarey. I really feel for ryan, this could subdue his bubbly character, and for what. he did nothing wrong, nothing hostile. I really hope she has dug her own grave

[kingston]

She's the first to violate people's boundaries in there.

Please just accept that you can’t make a relevant argument instead of just throwing out random insults...

[Amy Jade]

She playfights with the boys all the time.

With Ben. He is happy to play along, whos boundaries were violated?

[Greg!]

Consent is needed in ALL situations... It is perfectly acceptable for a HM to not want a hug from a particular HM or HM’s...

Okay so you think they should all just sit around at least 10ft apart from each other? Not go up to them and speak to them unless they get written permission? Where do you draw the line?

[Vanessa]

Please just accept that you can’t make a relevant argument instead of just throwing out random insults...

She playfights with the boys all the time.

[rusticgal]

Roxanne didn’t “insinuate” anything...


OMG are you for real...she called him a woman beater and wanted him expelled from the house...:shrug:....if that's not insinuating he is violent and not safe to be in the house with..

Hmm...me thinks you are on a wind up.

[Greg!]

Honestly if you're defending Roxanne in this situation in any way you really need to have a bloody word with yourself. He didn't even touch her! Her "ow" was delayed! She clutched the opposite side of her that was supposedly 'punched'!

[Pink Panther]

OMG are you for real...she called him a woman beater and wanted him expelled from the house...:shrug:....if that's not insinuating he is violent and not safe to be in the house with..

Hmm...me thinks you are on a wind up.

Obviously he agrees with us but is trolling.

[Vanessa]

OMG are you for real...she called him a woman beater and wanted him expelled from the house...:shrug:....if that's not insinuating he is violent and not safe to be in the house with..

Hmm...me thinks you are on a wind up.

The public are on Ryan's side on this and I'm glad. When Even DS is backing him, that says it all. They don't even like Ryan, but have called Roxanne out on her manipulative behaviour.

[Amy Jade]

Obviously he agrees with us but is trolling.

Just because somebody disagrees with you does not make them a troll.

[rusticgal]

Obviously he agrees with us but is trolling.

He must be the Fiancé...:laugh:

[kingston]

She playfights with the boys all the time.

We’ve already explained to you many times why this argument is irrellevent...

[Amy Jade]

Whats the obsession with DS anyway? Who cares what they think?

[Ant.]

She playfights with the boys all the time.

correct, but never has it got physical, and she wasn't fighting back

Like what we gotta keep in mind is we don't know her history, sis could have some serious trauma-related history with physical violence and that's why it upset her when Ryan made contact, regardless of how light/joking he was and his intent

it's like saying it's okay to punch Conor McGregor because he fights 'all the time'

[Vanessa]

I'm just glad that the public can see right through Roxanne.

[Vanessa]

correct, but never has it got physical, and she wasn't fighting back

Like what we gotta keep in mind is we don't know her history, sis could have some serious trauma-related history with physical violence and that's why it upset her when Ryan made contact, regardless of how light/joking he was and his intent

it's like saying it's okay to punch Conor McGregor because he fights 'all the time'
That's not Ryan's fault, now is it,?

[kingston]

OMG are you for real...she called him a woman beater and wanted him expelled from the house...:shrug:....if that's not insinuating he is violent and not safe to be in the house with..

Hmm...me thinks you are on a wind up.

Yes I am “for real”...

She wasn’t insinuating anything... She’s stating exactly how Ryan’s behaviour made her feel...

[kingston]

That's not Ryan's fault, now is it,?

Again Ryan’s intentions aren’t relevant to how he made Roxanne feel...

[Vanessa]

Again Ryan’s intentions aren’t relevant to how he made Roxanne feel...

He didn't even touch her. She lied!

[Epic.]

She grew on me tonight but as a person she's one of the worst ever wtf :joker: He apologized for ****ing brushing against her and then she stormed into the bedroom to call him a womsn beater whilst talking to herself, clearly an over reaction to the camera as always to get people to dislike him. When the person in question apologizes for something that was literally a complete accident, why continue to antagonise then and whine that they should be removed?

[kingston]

Okay so you think they should all just sit around at least 10ft apart from each other? Not go up to them and speak to them unless they get written permission? Where do you draw the line?

You’re taking things to an unnessesary extreme... Not once have I said anything even remotely close to what you’re suggesting...

[Vanessa]

She grew on me tonight but as a person she's one of the worst ever wtf :joker: He apologized for ****ing brushing against her and then she stormed into the bedroom to call him a womsn beater whilst talking to herself, clearly an over reaction to the camera as always to get people to dislike him. When the person in question apologizes for something that was literally a complete accident, why continue to antagonise then and whine that they should be removed?
She made a mountain over a molehill. She could have just talked to him. But no, she wanted him out straight away. :shrug:

[Greg!]

You’re taking things to an unnessesary extreme... Not once have I said anything even remotely close to what you’re suggesting...

You said consent should be given for everything in the house so not really babes...

[Vanessa]

Ryan has gone up on the Tellymix poll since all this. :love:

[kingston]

He didn't even touch her. She lied!

If she “lied” BB would have addressed the situation... I’ve just rewatched the scene and from that angle it’s hard to tell whether he did or did not make contact with her...

[Vanessa]

Roxanne has gone down on the poll. I really hope she's in the last two. :fc:

[Vanessa]

If she “lied” BB would have addressed the situation... I’ve just rewatched the scene and from that angle it’s hard to tell whether he did or did not make contact with her...

They caved in, because she's the one they paid the most. So they can't lose her.

[kingston]

They caved in, because she's the one they paid the most. So they can't lose her.

Now you’re just speculating and reaching for excuses to shame Roxanne...

[Vanessa]

Now you’re just speculating and reaching for excuses to shame Roxanne...

No, it's my opinion.

[kingston]

You said consent should be given for everything in the house so not really babes...

I did... However you’re the one who added all that other crap...

[kingston]

No, it's my opinion.

It is and I’m saying that with your opinion you’re overreaching and looking for excuses to shame Roxanne...

[Pro Sniper]

Now you’re just speculating and reaching for excuses to shame Roxanne...

:joker: She doesn't need any help with that.

[Vanessa]

Ryan winning odds are shortening. Roxanne making sure he wins? :clap2:

[Vanessa]

It is and I’m saying that with your opinion you’re overreaching and looking for excuses to shame Roxanne...

She's the one overreacting.

[kingston]

She's the one overreacting.

She entitled to feel violated...

[Vanessa]

She entitled to feel violated...

So is Ryan and i hope he sues her.

[Pro Sniper]

Ryan winning odds are shortening. Roxanne making sure he wins? :clap2:

tbf he was always strong 2nd-fav behind Alley. Both are just there by default as it shows the lack of characters to choose from..

[Vanessa]

tbf he was always strong 2nd-fav behind Alley. Both are just there by default as it shows the lack of characters to choose from..

But this could give him a lot of sympathy votes. Could even beat Kristie?

[kingston]

So is Ryan and i hope he sues her.

He’d have a hard time proving Roxanne did anything wrong... It’s not as if she said he did anything he didn’t actually do...

[Vanessa]

He’d have a hard time proving Roxanne did anything wrong... It’s not as if she said he did anything he didn’t actually do...

She basically called him a woman beater. Slander.

[Mystic Mock]

Again back to the example I’ve been giving is it a double standard that a person allows a sexual partner to touch them in a sexual manner and not others?

I get what you're trying to say, but her reaction was OTT over a mild hit on her ribs, it's not like he went all Mike Tyson on her and started battering her to the ground is it?

[kingston]

She basically called him a woman beater. Slander.

And as far as she’s concerned he is and there is video proof... Slander is only slander if the comment being made is believed to be untrue...

[Vanessa]

And as far as she’s concerned he is and there is video proof... Slander is only slander if the comment being made is believed to be untrue...

So he's a woman beater for accidentally brushing on her harm, if it even happened? Wow :nono:

[kingston]

I get what you're trying to say, but her reaction was OTT over a mild hit on her ribs, it's not like he went all Mike Tyson on her and started battering her to the ground is it?

I’m not arguing that the reaction wasn’t over the top... What I’ve been saying is that Roxanne is entitled to her view of the situation...

[kingston]

So he's a woman beater for accidentally brushing on her harm, if it even happened? Wow :nono:

Now you’re putting your own spin on things... Even if what Ryan did hit her “accidentally” doesn’t excuse the behaviour...

[Vanessa]

Someone accidentally brushing on someone does not make them a woman beater. Fgs :facepalm:

[Vanessa]

Now you’re putting your own spin on things... Even if what Ryan did hit her “accidentally” doesn’t excuse the behaviour...

He did nothing wrong and the public is on his side.

[Mystic Mock]

I’m not arguing that the reaction wasn’t over the top... What I’ve been saying is that Roxanne is entitled to her view of the situation...

She was looking to get him ejected to remove the competition imo.

[Greg!]

And as far as she’s concerned he is and there is video proof... Slander is only slander if the comment being made is believed to be untrue...

You can't call someone a woman beater for playfully tapping someone. Way to devalue real victims of domestic abuse.

[Vanessa]

You can't call someone a woman beater for playfully tapping someone. Way to devalue real victims of domestic abuse.
This! And it is slander. Ryan could sue her, if he wanted to.

[Vanessa]

She was looking to get him ejected to remove the competition imo.

She thought Big Brother would remove him. Just because she said so :joker: How deluded is she?

[Mystic Mock]

She thought Big Brother would remove him. Just because she said so :joker: How deluded is she?

That's the best part.:joker:

I'm starting to hope that she stays if she's gonna get the Forums going like this.:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Roxanne isn't a victim. She manipulated the situation to try and get Ryan out. Getting rid of the competition. She's so silly she can't even see that the real competition is Kristy.

Roxanne has never liked Ryan in her life , she's so transparent with what she's doing and i hope both her & Jermaine get the lowest votes now on friday!!!. As annoying as Ryan is he DOESN'T deserve this and i actually hope he gets to the final now just to SPITE HER as she's clearly trying to get him kicked out . Wow what a hypocritical fool she is. She's really trying to play the victim when we all know she's aware of the camera's and everything is a soap to her:suspect: .

[Vanessa]

Roxanne has never liked Ryan in her life , she's so transparent with what she's doing and i hope both her & Jermaine get the lowest votes now on friday!!!. As annoying as Ryan is he DOESN'T deserve this and i actually hope he gets to the final now just to SPITE HER as she's clearly trying to get him kicked out . Wow what a hypocritical fool she is. She's really trying to play the victim when we all know she's aware of the camera's and everything is a soap to her:suspect: .:clap1:

[poppsywoppsy]

Roxanne has never liked Ryan in her life , she's so transparent with what she's doing and i hope both her & Jermaine get the lowest votes now on friday!!!. As annoying as Ryan is he DOESN'T deserve this and i actually hope he gets to the final now just to SPITE HER as she's clearly trying to get him kicked out . Wow what a hypocritical fool she is. She's really trying to play the victim when we all know she's aware of the camera's and everything is a soap to her:suspect: .

It is a bit too late for her to be evicted tomorrow as I would expect her votes to be already cast.

However, Hardeep told her that a line had been crossed by Ben rubbing his toe up her back. Let's see if she unravels even more to some home truths said to her face.

[GoldHeart]

It is a bit too late for her to be evicted tomorrow as I would expect her votes to be already cast.

However, Hardeep told her that a line had been crossed by Ben rubbing his toe up her back. Let's see if she unravels even more to some home truths said to her face.

I was actually going to swear then damn it !!! :oh::oh: . I also saw from the clip that she's laughing & joking after Ryan "hit her" . If he hurt her so badly then why isn't she genuinely upset from the beginning !! . I really can't stand her!.

[GoldHeart]

Someone accidentally brushing on someone does not make them a woman beater. Fgs :facepalm:

I've not watched the HL show yet , but from that clip she said it in such a flippant tone aswell like she thinks it's ok to joke about domestic violence yet Ryan should be removed? :suspect: . What an emotionally unstable idiot she really is :crazy: .

[poppsywoppsy]

I've not watched the HL show yet , but from that clip she said it in such a flippant tone aswell like she thinks it's ok to joke about domestic violence yet Ryan should be removed? :suspect: . What an emotionally unstable idiot she really is :crazy: .

She has been flaky right from the start with her falling into the pool, it looked as if she wanted to blame Hardeep for that.

[GoldHeart]

She has been flaky right from the start with her falling into the pool, it looked as if she wanted to blame Hardeep for that.

Thanks for reminding me about the pool incident, it's even more obvious now she wanted Hardeep to get in trouble :suspect: . Her reaction to that was like he tried drowning her!! .

[Pink Panther]

Thanks for reminding me about the pool incident, it's even more obvious now she wanted Hardeep to get in trouble :suspect: . Her reaction to that was like he tried drowning her!! .

She really is a pathological liar/actress.

[kingston]

This! And it is slander. Ryan could sue her, if he wanted to.

Again in order to prove slander you have to prove that the statement being made was knowingly false and done with the express intent of harming someone’s reputation... Unless you can provide either of those two things you’re claim is nothing but bs...

[GoldHeart]

Again in order to prove slander you have to prove that the statement being made was knowingly false and done with the express intent of harming someone’s reputation... Unless you can provide either of those two things you’re claim is nothing but bs...

Well if i was Ryan i would stay the HELL AWAY from that psycho !! , and never ever be alone with her ! as she clearly is a sly calculating person with issues! . Who knows what lies she's going to come up with next, that's why she should be evicted Friday!!!!! :oh: :fc: .

[kingston]

You can't call someone a woman beater for playfully tapping someone. Way to devalue real victims of domestic abuse.

No one is saying Ryan abused Roxanne... In terms of Roxanne’s statement based on her experience I don’t blame her for her statements... Also how are some of the statements and accusations being made in this thread not devaluing other victims?

[kingston]

Well if i was Ryan i would stay the HELL AWAY from that psycho !! , and never ever be alone with her ! as she clearly is a sly calculating person with issues! . Who knows what lies she's going to come up with next, that's why she should be evicted Friday!!!!! :oh: :fc: .

Roxanne hasn’t lied...

[kingston]

Mods how is this thread still going? Some of the comments being made here are disgusting and slut/victim shaming...

[GoldHeart]

Mods how is this thread still going? Some of the comments being made here are disgusting and slut/victim shaming...

:facepalm::notimpressed: But it's ok for Ryan to be called a woman beater?.

[kingston]

:facepalm::notimpressed: But it's ok for Ryan to be called a woman beater?.

As I said based on his actions Roxanne is perfectly within her righsts to say something like that... Not once has anyone in this thread said that about Ryan... Also two wrongs don’t make a right...

[Alf]

Mods how is this thread still going? Some of the comments being made here are disgusting and slut/victim shaming..."Help me mods! my argument is getting torn to pieces and it's not fair"

[rusticgal]

"Help me mods! my argument is getting torn to pieces and it's not fair"


....and none of these low life FM's are agreeing with me :bawling::bawling::bawling:...