Presenter Kirstie Allspop smashed her 2 kids ipads

[arista]

Its in all papers today
she said it Live , yesterday,
on Ch5HD Jeremy Vine.


She smashed them on a table
as her 2 kids
10 and 12 years old
broke her rules
on the time they can view their ipads.

Well Done you Good Mother


https://twitter.com/channel5_tv/status/1039129203810086912
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/10/15/4FFB6B1700000578-6151267-image-a-1_1536588235489.jpg

[Niamh.]

Bit OTT tbf

[arista]

Bit OTT tbf



No she set Clear RULES
turn off by 5PM etc.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/10/15/4FFB8C8100000578-6151267-image-a-11_1536589199701.jpg

[Morgan.]

iPads aren't exactly cheap to buy or repair so really she's just wasted a lot of money.

If anything she should've confiscated them from them to teach them that actions have consequences in a sensible way, and if they got them back and continued to break rules then sell them to a second-hand trader (GAME, CEX etc).

Breaking them just makes her as immature as the kids.

[arista]

iPads aren't exactly cheap to buy or repair so really she's just wasted a lot of money.

If anything she should've confiscated them from them to teach them that actions have consequences in a sensible way, and if they got them back and continued to break rules then sell them to a second-hand trader (GAME, CEX etc).

Breaking them just makes her as immature as the kids.


But the next ipads Get Turned off at the Correct Time.
She is the Mother
not you.

[Niamh.]

iPads aren't exactly cheap to buy or repair so really she's just wasted a lot of money.

If anything she should've confiscated them from them to teach them that actions have consequences in a sensible way, and if they got them back and continued to break rules then sell them to a second-hand trader (GAME, CEX etc).

Breaking them just makes her as immature as the kids.

Yeah easily known she's loaded, what a waste. She could have given them to charity or something

[MB.]

Between this, her sneering at people with washing machines in their kitchens and her flying in a different class to her children, I'm starting to get the slightest impression that Kirstie Allsopp is a massive elitist eejit :think:

[bots]

complete over reaction, sounds like she has problems elsewhere

[Niamh.]

Between this, her sneering at people with washing machines in their kitchens and her flying in a different class to her children, I'm starting to get the slightest impression that Kirstie Allsopp is a massive elitist eejit :think:

Not to mention saying it's perfectly normal to leave your kids home while you go out to eat re McCanns

[arista]

complete over reaction, sounds like she has problems elsewhere


No she has Proper Strict Rules
for her 10 and 12 year old.


Give her credit

[bots]

No she has Proper Strict Rules
for her 10 and 12 year old.


Give her credit

no i won't give her credit. A responsible parent doesn't smash their kids things to appease a bad temper.

[Northern Monkey]

Cruel bitch.I hope they smash her laptop

[arista]

Between this, her sneering at people with washing machines in their kitchens and her flying in a different class to her children, I'm starting to get the slightest impression that Kirstie Allsopp is a massive elitist eejit :think:

Yesterday
she said she does not fly
with her kids separate seats
all the time.

[Niamh.]

She sounds like she doesn't like her kids very much

[arista]

Cruel bitch.I hope they smash her laptop


They Love their HARD WORKING
mother.

[arista]

She sounds like she doesn't like her kids very much


Look she wants them
to grow up with more respect


Nothing wrong with Rules

[hijaxers]

No she has Proper Strict Rules
for her 10 and 12 year old.


Give her credit

Yes i watched she told them they didn't listen as per and she did it on the spur of the moment !
No kids nagging for them back as they are gone for good, people give into children far too easily No should mean No , not changing your mind when they keep on.

[Niamh.]

Look she wants them
to grow up with more respect


Nothing wrong with Rules

I never said there was anything wrong with rules Arista, that isn't the issue here at all. You think her smashing their iPads will teach them to respect anything? I disagree.

[arista]

I never said there was anything wrong with rules Arista, that isn't the issue here at all. You think her smashing their iPads will teach them to respect anything? I disagree.


Yes she is
Working Hard on her Property TV Shows Ch4HD
and other TV shows
she can afford to be that extreme,

Look at the Whole Picture

[Livia]

Perhaps she'd tried confiscating them and all the other suggestions. Her kids, her money, her decision. I wouldn't want to judge her parenting skills on this one thing.

[T*]

isn’t smashing your kids ipads because they’re playing violent games a bit like setting fire to someone because they keep playing with fire?

[Livia]

I'd be more indignant of people who smash their kids.

[arista]

Yes i watched she told them they didn't listen as per and she did it on the spur of the moment !
No kids nagging for them back as they are gone for good, people give into children far too easily No should mean No , not changing your mind when they keep on.

Yes she is a Stand Up Lady

[Marsh.]

Maybe just take them off the children or sell them/don't buy them.

But, wait, she has money so doesn't need to teach them the value of anything.

Remember when she shamed a man on twitter for having a ham and cheese sandwich and a glass of coke in a cafe she was eating at, as though it was any of her business.

Or the time she lectured about how she flies business class and sticks the kids in economy so that they don't get too used to luxury they haven't worked for? When really she just wanted a few hours peace from them but wanted to bleat about how perfect she is whilst the rest of us mere mortals couldn't hope of reaching her standards.

Odious woman.

[user104658]

Violence is never acceptable and smashing up their stuff is violence. Is it as bad as direct physical violence? No, of course not, but that doesn't make it OK. I used to be firmly of the opinion that people hitting / trashing "things" wasn't a big problem so long as they never actually hurt a person; but it isn't. It's aggressive, it's intimidating, and it's utterly wrong-headed. It's wrong even with another adult, let alone child, who is totally at the mercy of adults.

Yes it's "her money and her decision" - if her decision is that they aren't to have them any more then fine. Take them away permanently. Sell them. Donate them to a school, maybe? Absolutely no need to "make a point" by losing the rag and smashing them up. A pretty clear sign to all involved (including the kids) that she had lost control of the situation and of herself, and yeah, that IS "bad parenting".

And yes all parents make errors. An incident of bad parenting doesn't make someone a bad parent. But you can look back on your less-than-perfect moments and say "OK... I didn't handle that very well" and try to learn something from it, instead of becoming indignant and holding it up as a badge of honour as if there's nothing to regret.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is a vile piece of work

[Crimson Dynamo]

and her tv partner hunts and kills animals for sport

lovely pair

[user104658]

Oh my god I've just watched the video and realised how deep her abuse actually goes.

Her kids were playing Fortnite and PUBG on iPads D:.

[arista]

Oh my god I've just watched the video and realised how deep her abuse actually goes.

Her kids were playing Fortnite and PUBG on iPads D:.


Its no abuse
Its RULES

[arista]

debated on LWHD itv
Ruth agree's with rules

[user104658]

Its no abuse
Its RULES

Have you ever tried to play Fortnite on a tablet? It's definitely abuse.

[arista]

Have you ever tried to play Fortnite on a tablet? It's definitely abuse.


No its not good graphics as a Game


Example of Good graphics
GTA5 [Rated 18] on PS4 HDR
on a 50" 4K HDR TV.

[kirklancaster]

I'd be more indignant of people who smash their kids.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Niamh.]

Have you ever tried to play Fortnite on a tablet? It's definitely abuse.

:laugh:

[AnnieK]

Violence is never acceptable and smashing up their stuff is violence. Is it as bad as direct physical violence? No, of course not, but that doesn't make it OK. I used to be firmly of the opinion that people hitting / trashing "things" wasn't a big problem so long as they never actually hurt a person; but it isn't. It's aggressive, it's intimidating, and it's utterly wrong-headed. It's wrong even with another adult, let alone child, who is totally at the mercy of adults.

Yes it's "her money and her decision" - if her decision is that they aren't to have them any more then fine. Take them away permanently. Sell them. Donate them to a school, maybe? Absolutely no need to "make a point" by losing the rag and smashing them up. A pretty clear sign to all involved (including the kids) that she had lost control of the situation and of herself, and yeah, that IS "bad parenting".

And yes all parents make errors. An incident of bad parenting doesn't make someone a bad parent. But you can look back on your less-than-perfect moments and say "OK... I didn't handle that very well" and try to learn something from it, instead of becoming indignant and holding it up as a badge of honour as if there's nothing to regret.

Great post

[Tom4784]

What a waste and a terrible message to send to her kids.

[Shaun]

Hopefully the next series of Location, Location, Location is just Phil finding foster parents for her kids

[kirklancaster]

Hopefully the next series of Location, Location, Location is just Phil finding foster parents for her kids

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Jordan.]

Daft cow

[Matthew.]

What a waste and a terrible message to send to her kids.

.

[Matthew.]

Hopefully the next series of Location, Location, Location is just Phil finding foster parents for her kids

:skull:

[kirklancaster]

It is a waste, but to be fair - it is HER money.

Perhaps she is as equally scathing of the lower-paid and those in receipts of benefits who drink, smoke, take drugs or gamble or live on takeaways?

Imagine the furore on here were she to publicly express such views?

[arista]

Due to Trolls
over this Topic which was Live yesterday
morning on Ch5HD J. Vine
Kirstie has temp
come off from her Twitter Account

[arista]

What a waste and a terrible message to send to her kids.


Look
she can afford it.
And her kids understand RULES.

[AnnieK]

Whether she can afford it or not doesn't really matter to me. Its the point that she has advocated willful destruction of property to her kids and that if someone doesn't do what you want then the answer is to react like that. What stops her children lashing out and hitting actual people if they don't do what they want? Its all learned behavior and as a parent you have to set examples.

[Matthew.]

what a disgraceful example she is setting

[Niamh.]

Whether she can afford it or not doesn't really matter to me. Its the point that she has advocated willful destruction of property to her kids and that if someone doesn't do what you want then the answer is to react like that. What stops her children lashing out and hitting actual people if they don't do what they want? Its all learned behavior and as a parent you have to set examples.

Exactly

[Wizard.]

But she does make a good christmas card!

[LaLaLand]

It's alright when you've got enough money to just smash up an iPad like it's nothing isn't it eh?

Twat.

[arista]

It's alright when you've got enough money to just smash up an iPad like it's nothing isn't it eh?

Twat.


She is the Mother
that sets rules.



She has now had to come off twitter
due to Trolls.

[Matthew.]

i just don’t see how she thought that would teach them anything at all?

[arista]

i just don’t see how she thought that would teach them anything at all?


But it has
the 2 kids now
do what mother says.

They are aged 10 and 12.

We need more mothers
like this.

[Matthew.]

But it has
the 2 kids now
do what mother says.

They are aged 10 and 12.

We need more mothers
like this.


yes but it
gives off the idea
that violence is a
good way of expressing
authority

and that shouldn’t be the case
in my opinion

[arista]

yes but it
gives off the idea
that violence is a
good way of expressing
authority

and that shouldn’t be the case
in my opinion


Hang On
one thing she confirmed
(on Ch5HD Jeremy Vine 10/9/18)
She did not do it in Violent way
she smashed both ipads on a flat table.


Setting a Example
to stick to her rules

[bots]

yes but it
gives off the idea
that violence is a
good way of expressing
authority

and that shouldn’t be the case
in my opinion

:hehe:

[smudgie]

As long as she doesn't go out and replace them then fine.
Life's lessons can be tough at time.:shrug:

[Morgan.]

The worst bit is that she hasn't even told them. The action is a terrible thing and it's wrong on her part, but she hasn't even owned up to the punishment she gave them. They'll learn nothing that way.

[smudgie]

It said she did it in front of them.

[Morgan.]

It said she did it in front of them.

Oh sorry, I'm sure in the interview she said she didn't :laugh:

[Matthew.]

hardeep :love:

[Withano]

Needless waste of money. Those kids will grow up to be brats for a different reason now.

[arista]

Oh sorry, I'm sure in the interview she said she didn't :laugh:


No she snatched them away from the Guilty Kids

[arista]

Needless waste of money. Those kids will grow up to be brats for a different reason now.


You do not know that

[Withano]

You do not know that

I do know that. Any kid that doesnt know the value of money grows to be a brat.

[kirklancaster]

I do know that. Any kid that doesnt know the value of money grows to be a brat.

It has been my own personal, direct experience that the children of SERIOUSLY wealthy parents grow up with a far better understanding of money than their 'working-class' counterparts.

[user104658]

Needless waste of money. Those kids will grow up to be brats for a different reason now.

You do not know that

:umm2: Arista what are you planning...

[kirklancaster]

:umm2: Arista what are you planning...

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Leave our Green Giant alone T.S.

[Withano]

It has been my own personal, direct experience that the children of SERIOUSLY wealthy parents grow up with a far better understanding of money than their 'working-class' counterparts.

Perhaps? But wealthy people dont typically go about smashing ipads.. the issue isnt money, the issue is the needless waste of it.

[kirklancaster]

Perhaps? But wealthy people dont typically go about smashing ipads.. the issue isnt money, the issue is the needless waste of it.

I do not agree with what she did but am merely putting the 'other side of the coin' forward.

Alcoholism, Drug addiction, Obesity and Gambling Addiction are also examples of direct needless wastes of money and they create further needless wastes of substantial money having to be 'treated' by the NHS and other State Organisations.

[jaxie]

Melodramatic and wasteful. Dreadful lesson about respecting and valuing expensive things they own for her kids.

Confiscating them would have been enough.

[Ammi]

..Kirstie was a very priveledged child herself and I think she's trying to teach her children the value of things and some very good life lessons ...she obviously aims to practise what she feels is good parenting, rather than practise what she preaches...sadly I think she gets so much wrong in focusing on one thing but overlooking or dismissing so many other things ...it’s not just what an iPad costs and that the cost is huge to many parents who choose to give their children iPads and have to save hard or go without to be able to do that...its also that if the iPads are used to play games as her children did with things like Fortnite...as TS said, games will bring frustrations and with those frustrations, moments of anger etc...so a young child could quite easily throw the device to the floor or bang it on the table as she did with her frustration of them continuously breaking rules...in one tiny moment of anger that wouldn’t even be ‘typical’ for them....would she think that’s acceptable for them to do...it’s a practise what you preach thing for me...breaking house rules with regards the use isn’t acceptable to her but surely breaking something wilfully because rules are broken isn’t acceptable either ..is ‘the lesson’..?...

...With what she said about the McCanns ...?...it being ‘normal from the beginning of time’ to leave a young child or young children alone to go have a cup of tea with a neighbour or a drink at the pub etc...for many people that isn’t ‘normal’ because it only takes a split second for an accident to happen etc, nothing can be predicted as to be ‘safe’ ...but even for those parents who it had previously been normal since the beginning of time for...surely Madeleine’s disappearance was the time to address their ‘normality’ in terms of leaving their children alone and make changes....not to reaffirm it was ok to do it and to carry on doing it ...is the message she was giving out really...don’t defend but think about it for the future etc...

..I do understand with the first class flights as well and not allowing them for the children because they hadn’t ‘worked for them’...again though, for me ...kind of misguided or focusing on the ‘privilege’ part too much and overlooking or dismissing other things if greater importance...what if flying conditions had meant extreme turbulence or an emergency landing etc was something that happened and the children were not with their parents...were terrified on a flight for some reason and they were separated from a comfort needed...?...ok, don’t teach them ‘1st class or priveledged class’...but don’t have it for yourself either just because you have ‘worked for it and can afford it’ and her children aren’t at the age where they could have worked for a living for any priveledge yet...show them that sometimes other things are more important than what we can afford and stay with your young children in the same class seats you have chosen to put them into...just in case anything were to happen on the flight that may terrify them and potentially cause damage beyond any monetary value, type things...I just think she seems to focus on specific things too much and misses so many other things in parenting...well meaning, I’m sure though and a nice lady...I like Kirstie a lot ...but she does make me cringe a little at times with her parenting views...

[arista]

Good Summary Ammi.


GMBHD itv just showed the Ch5 clip
debate now

Its her money - key point

[user104658]

Good Summary Ammi.


GMBHD itv just showed the Ch5 clip
debate now

Its her money - key point

It's not really the key point Arista, it has nothing to do with the cost of the items, it's a threatening / violent act designed to be intimidating. It doesn't matter how much the broken item cost. She claims to have smashed them in a "non-violent way" but that is simply nonsense. It's not possible. Smashing them "gently on a table leg" isn't non-violent, for a start, and for another... my 6 year old has an iPad - she's learning disabled and doesn't really understand that it could break so it gets thrown around a lot and it's fine - so if she hasn't managed to crack or even so much as scratch it in a whole year of being used every day, so I call utter BS that it didn't take considerable force / multiple blows to "smash" them. No one calm / in control acts like that. She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively. It doesn't matter that it was at possessions, it's terrifying for a kid, and it IS tantamount to emotional abuse.

I'll say again; everyone loses their head occasionally, that's unavoidable, but the fact that she has no regret or those actions and even thinks that it was the right thing to so is the worrying part.

[arista]

"violent act "


She stated very clearly
it was NOT done in a violent way.


"but that is simply nonsense."

She stayed Calm, to not show her kids her temper




"She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively."
TS you are assuming that, you could be right or wrong.

[Elliot]

She’s just kinda useless and awful isn’t she

[Ammi]

...she stayed calm while she wilfully broke something of value when it was not the only alternative solution to her children having disregarded the house rules...maybe remove the iPads until her children are able to understand house rules better and follow them..?...many other alternatives but she stayed calm though...if her children become frustrated then it’s ok to destroy a thing of priveledge which has been purchased for them and given to them so long as they ‘appear calm’ while they’re doing it...is the only ‘lesson’ there, Arista baby...gotta keep calm kids while you’re doin’ that destroyin’ you don’t need to be doing...kids you should be looking at what your alternatives are in this situation of frustration just like mamma Kirstie does.....ooops...

[Ammi]

She’s just kinda useless and awful isn’t she

...I don’t think she’s useless in anyway, Elliot...but I do think her focus is quite narrow in some aspects of parenting she’s commented on and made public...I think she can dismiss and overlook so much in some of her parenting decisions and methods...I personally like her, I think she’s very well-meaning ...but just a bit *cringe* at times...

..the other thing with the flights as well that I’ve just thought..in her and her partner travelling first class while the children were separated in economy etc..?...it’s also the excitement a whole family get in travelling together on holidays and exciting things etc ...that excitement is a whole build up from booking the visit and continuing to include flights as well...something a family share together in seeing the excitement your children are experiencing with the whole thing....?...she deprived herself from sharing that with the boys and from them sharing it with their parents during the flight...

[user104658]

"violent act "


She stated very clearly
it was NOT done in a violent way.


"but that is simply nonsense."

She stayed Calm, to not show her kids her temper




"She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively."
TS you are assuming that, you could be right or wrong.

It's impossible, you can't willfully smash something up in a calm and collected way, it isn't a calm act. It's an act of violence. It's that simple.

Frankly, I hope it WAS a case of her losing her temper because someone coldly and calculatingly destroying their child's possessions with a blank face is straight up terrifying, and would likely contribute to a multitude of emotional issues for them in the future. "Anger" is a scary, but ultimately normal and comprehendible emotion. Cold vindictiveness is next level.

[arista]

It's impossible, you can't willfully smash something up in a calm and collected way, it isn't a calm act. It's an act of violence. It's that simple.

Frankly, I hope it WAS a case of her losing her temper because someone coldly and calculatingly destroying their child's possessions with a blank face is straight up terrifying, and would likely contribute to a multitude of emotional issues for them in the future. "Anger" is a scary, but ultimately normal and comprehendible emotion. Cold vindictiveness is next level.


OK I agree
but its her Life
her style, her choice to go public
caused her to have to come off her twitter account,
again.

[user104658]

OK I agree
but its her Life
her style, her choice to go public
caused her to have to come off her twitter account,
again.

Her life is her life but her kids' lives are their own; she might own the tablets, but she doesn't own her children.

[Ammi]

Her life is her life but her kids' lives are their own; she might own the tablets, but she doesn't own her children.

...I would say that she doesn’t own the tablets either once she’s given them as a gift...(..she may have purchased them but she doesn’t own them..)..you give, it no longer belongs to you is the deal for me....they belong to the children then ...in this case...I guess that’s a whole other topic though..:laugh:...

[user104658]

...I would say that she doesn’t own the tablets either once she’s given them as a gift...(..she may have purchased them but she doesn’t own them..)..you give, it no longer belongs to you is the deal for me....they belong to the children then ...in this case...I guess that’s a whole other topic though..:laugh:...

I personally agree with that Ammi, if they've been directly given as personal possessions then that's what they are, no matter who bought them, and breaking someone else's stuff is basically vandalism. But like you say, it's another topic and I know plenty of people don't agree.

[Niamh.]

...I don’t think she’s useless in anyway, Elliot...but I do think her focus is quite narrow in some aspects of parenting she’s commented on and made public...I think she can dismiss and overlook so much in some of her parenting decisions and methods...I personally like her, I think she’s very well-meaning ...but just a bit *cringe* at times...

..the other thing with the flights as well that I’ve just thought..in her and her partner travelling first class while the children were separated in economy etc..?...it’s also the excitement a whole family get in travelling together on holidays and exciting things etc ...that excitement is a whole build up from booking the visit and continuing to include flights as well...something a family share together in seeing the excitement your children are experiencing with the whole thing....?...she deprived herself from sharing that with the boys and from them sharing it with their parents during the flight...

Yeah exactly and Luke gets a bit nervous flying too so I always like to be near him to make sure he's ok (and he's 14 now :p )

[user104658]

To be fair, if a parent has a fear of flying so it would probably be better if the kids didn't see them as that could be quite worrying :umm2:.

"Ooh this seems a bit scary... it's totally safe though, right?"

"D: D: D: YES IT'S FINE :bawling: Strap in Kids! I love you! I will always love you, no matter what happens! FAREWELL"

[Niamh.]

To be fair, if a parent has a fear of flying so it would probably be better if the kids didn't see them as that could be quite worrying :umm2:.

"Ooh this seems a bit scary... it's totally safe though, right?"

"D: D: D: YES IT'S FINE :bawling: Strap in Kids! I love you! I will always love you, no matter what happens! FAREWELL"

Does Kirstie have a fear of flying?

[arista]

Her life is her life but her kids' lives are their own; she might own the tablets, but she doesn't own her children.



Aged 10 and 12
The Mother is in Control.

Setting the Examples
her kids will learn from

[Niamh.]

Aged 10 and 12
The Mother is in Control.

Setting the Examples
her kids will learn from

The point is smashing stuff isn't a good example to set. No one is saying not to discipline her children just that the method is odd and extreme

[arista]

The point is smashing stuff isn't a good example to sett. No one is saying not to discipline her children just that the method is odd and extreme


Yes I agree
But some kids are so hooked on that "terrible graphics
bad quality game " free online game
the only way to stop it is what she did.


Some parents approve it.
Poor trolls online are angry as they want a Free ipad

[Livia]

So long as she's not beating, starving or in other ways abusing them, I'm happy to leave the parenting decisions to her.

[arista]

So long as she's not beating, starving or in other ways abusing them, I'm happy to leave the parenting decisions to her.



Bang On Right
Livia.

[Marsh.]

It is a waste, but to be fair - it is HER money.

Perhaps she is as equally scathing of the lower-paid and those in receipts of benefits who drink, smoke, take drugs or gamble or live on takeaways?

Imagine the furore on here were she to publicly express such views?

She does that... regularly.

She shames people in public and adds SaveOurNHS to the end.

You know, because she's not overweight at all. :idc:

[Marsh.]

But it has
the 2 kids now
do what mother says.

They are aged 10 and 12.

We need more mothers
like this.

No, she just proved that they managed to cause mother to lose all control.

This wasn't something she actually thought through and then did in private and said "Ooh, dear look they're broken! Looks like you'll have to do without now kiddies!"

She lost control of her temper and out of frustration smashed them in front of the kids. That aint good no matter which way you look at it.

[Marsh.]

It has been my own personal, direct experience that the children of SERIOUSLY wealthy parents grow up with a far better understanding of money than their 'working-class' counterparts.

Is this a generalisation or one wealthy child versus one working class child?

[Marsh.]

Perhaps? But wealthy people dont typically go about smashing ipads.. the issue isnt money, the issue is the needless waste of it.

I do not agree with what she did but am merely putting the 'other side of the coin' forward.

Alcoholism, Drug addiction, Obesity and Gambling Addiction are also examples of direct needless wastes of money and they create further needless wastes of substantial money having to be 'treated' by the NHS and other State Organisations.

For me, it's not necessarily the money. If she wants to waste her money, that's her choice.

But the equipment. Is there really any need to smash up two perfectly good tablets? She could have just given them away to a charity shop? A school? Sold them to friends/colleague?

It's not teaching the kids the value of much either, that instead of taking them away as a punishment, she so casually disposed of such expensive items because the cost of them wasn't a big thing for her. Which is fine if she is privileged enough to have more disposable income that she won't have to worry about a waste of £500, that's fine. That's the way it is. But that's how kids become spoilt and think of it as "nothing".

In fact, as a kid, I'd have probably been more affected by the thought that another kid was now enjoying my toy/gadget because I didn't obey the rules. :laugh: Now THAT would have taught me a lesson.

[Marsh.]

It's not really the key point Arista, it has nothing to do with the cost of the items, it's a threatening / violent act designed to be intimidating. It doesn't matter how much the broken item cost. She claims to have smashed them in a "non-violent way" but that is simply nonsense. It's not possible. Smashing them "gently on a table leg" isn't non-violent, for a start, and for another... my 6 year old has an iPad - she's learning disabled and doesn't really understand that it could break so it gets thrown around a lot and it's fine - so if she hasn't managed to crack or even so much as scratch it in a whole year of being used every day, so I call utter BS that it didn't take considerable force / multiple blows to "smash" them. No one calm / in control acts like that. She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively. It doesn't matter that it was at possessions, it's terrifying for a kid, and it IS tantamount to emotional abuse.

I'll say again; everyone loses their head occasionally, that's unavoidable, but the fact that she has no regret or those actions and even thinks that it was the right thing to so is the worrying part.

I agree with this.

Gently tapping MAY have cracked the screen but it would take considerable force to actually smash it up and render it unusable.

[Marsh.]

"violent act "


She stated very clearly
it was NOT done in a violent way.


"but that is simply nonsense."

She stayed Calm, to not show her kids her temper




"She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively."
TS you are assuming that, you could be right or wrong.

Violence

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation,"

She used physical force to exert her "power". That's a violent act.

You're thinking of aggressive. She wasn't aggressive when doing it.

[arista]

No, she just proved that they managed to cause mother to lose all control.

This wasn't something she actually thought through and then did in private and said "Ooh, dear look they're broken! Looks like you'll have to do without now kiddies!"

She lost control of her temper and out of frustration smashed them in front of the kids. That aint good no matter which way you look at it.


Yes but only for 30seconds
No Child was Touched.


Just 2 ipads Smashed

[Marsh.]

Yes but only for 30seconds
No Child was Touched.


Just 2 ipads Smashed

Again, nobody's accused her of beating her children.

You're missing the point.

[kirklancaster]

Is this a generalisation or one wealthy child versus one working class child?

A generalisation borne from my direct experiences of very wealthy families and lower 'working class/non-working class families.

[Underscore]

If she wants to put £1000 down the drain that's on her

[Cherie]

Sounds to me like she lost control, not once but twice because to smash portable items to bits when she could have confiscated them is not a calm and measured response no matter how she dresses it up.

Also to the travelling in first class while your kids travel separately I do not understand that at all, that to me is, look at me I am more important than you, it is not teaching them the value of money, its teaching them that having money sets you apart from others, for me I find it a joy to give my kids stuff that me and Mr C didn't have growing up, simply because we can, they still know the value of money and how hard Mr C and me work to give them that standard of living, denying them stuff because they haven't earned it when they aren't at the age to earn it is just stupid, obviously if they are 25 and still relying on Mum and Dad to pay for everything its different, but her kids 8 and 10 or something :umm2:

[user104658]

Re: the plane... if it was purely about teaching them the value of money she'd have plonked her arse back in economy with them, not sent them there on their own.

[Vicky.]

Idiot. And of course you cannot break an Ipad by gently tapping it on the table :joker: She can try and talk her way out of it all she wants, she lost control and smashed their stuff. To 'teach them, a lesson' I totally get, but you would just take them off them and maybe give them to someone else..or keep them out of view. Not smash them. So yeah, she got violent infront of her kids, which is not good and nothing to basically brag about.

[user104658]

She looked like she was in two minds about saying it at all, dressed up as "because of how people might react" but surely what that really means is, "because I know it was too far". She should have gone with that first instinct and kept her trap shut, it turns out :umm2:.