Joker (2019)

[LaLaLand]

"During the 1980s, a failed stand-up comedian turns to a life of crime and chaos in Gotham City, as an unhinged and maniacal mass-murderer known as "The Joker."

"JOKER" (October 2019) starring Jaoquin Phoenix, Robert de Niro, Zazie Beetz, Frances Conroy and more.

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[LaLaLand]

I don't think this is his final Joker look, I think this is his comedy act look that failed, THEN he'll adopt something more "sinister" once he snaps.

This has so much potential, guy's an incredible actor.

[Tom4784]

I quite like the idea of it, he looks like a man in the midst of a breakdown and it's a bit different, a bit darker perhaps due to the John Wayne Gacy-ness of it all.

[LaLaLand]

I quite like the idea of it, he looks like a man in the midst of a breakdown and it's a bit different, a bit darker perhaps due to the John Wayne Gacy-ness of it all.

Yeah it has so much potential to be brilliantly dark and twisted. Very exciting to see what Phoenix's take on the character will be.

[LaLaLand]

The script draws inspiration from Scorsese's films Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and The King of Comedy, as well as Alan Moore's graphic novel Batman: The Killing Joke.

Warner Bros. described the film as "an exploration of a man disregarded by society [that] is not only a gritty character study, but also a broader cautionary tale".

Scorcese was originally set to produce but left the project. BRADLEY COOPER is a producer along with Emma Tillinger Koskoff (Wolf of Wall Street producer).

[Ramsay]

Super hyped for this!!!

[Jordan.]

Looks awesome. I love how amateur the look is, makes it more creepy.

[LaLaLand]

It's like a mix of every previous Joker (you can definitely see elements of Ledger, Nicholson and Romero) with the Killer Clown craze-look thrown in, genuinely freaky.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/22/22/508C73CA00000578-6197007-image-a-37_1537650582729.jpg

[LaLaLand]

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[Ammi]

....he looks like someone who has just dressed the part for a Halloween party or something...in a good way though, a different take on the character...he’s one of my favourite actors and I think he’ll be excellent as the new Joker...I have to say, I’ve always been slightly terrified of the Joker...

[Oliver_W]

I like the Harley Quinn touch.

How many films is he due to make? The dumpster fire that is the DCEU can't seem to keep actors for more that two or three films...

[LaLaLand]

I like the Harley Quinn touch.

How many films is he due to make? The dumpster fire that is the DCEU can't seem to keep actors for more that two or three films...

Just this one I believe, it's a standalone Joker "origins" story, on how he came to be what he is. Much lower budget than regular superhero movies of today too, which could benefit it massively if it gives off a gritty, almost "B movie" vibe.

The gist is he's a failed stand-up comedian/novelty act and he has a breakdown and becomes the "Joker" we all know and love. :joker:

The Joker quits his job as a Lab assistant, becoming a stand-up comedian to support his pregnant wife. Unsuccessful, he agrees to help mobsters with a robbery and dons the Red Hood. The heist goes awry; the comedian leaps into a chemical vat to escape Batman, surfacing disfigured. This, combined with the earlier accidental death of his wife and unborn child, drives the comedian insane and he becomes the Joker.

Idk how much of that this movie will stick by, but the failed stand-up part is confirmed in.

[LaLaLand]

He's terrifying!

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/phoenix-riot/joaquin-phoenix-transforms-into-the-joker-filming-riot-scene-24.jpg

[LaLaLand]

This is ALSO Jaoquin...

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[Tony Montana]

It’s gonna be Difficult to top Heath, But if there’s one Actor who I feel could pull it off, it’s Joaquin

[LaLaLand]

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[LaLaLand]

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[LaLaLand]

Really looking forward to this.

Seems like filming is complete and they're not editing. Exciting!

[LaLaLand]

So, in terms of the whole Batman/Joker dynamic in this, it seems Bruce Wayne is a kid in this movie and his Dad Thomas is running for Gotham Mayor.

Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck / Joker:
A failed stand-up comedian disregarded by society who is driven insane and becomes a psychotic criminal mastermind. Phoenix is the seventh actor to portray the Joker in a theatrical film; prior to his casting, Leonardo DiCaprio had been considered.[6] Phoenix had been interested in a low-budget "character study" of a comic book character and his agent recommended that he set up a meeting with Warner Bros. to discuss, but he ultimately declined. Phoenix later became interested when the project was announced, stating, "It feels unique, it is its own world in some ways, and maybe ... It might as well be the thing that scares you the most". Phoenix lost a considerable amount of weight in preparation.

Brett Cullen as Thomas Wayne:
A billionaire philanthropist running for mayor of Gotham. Unlike the source material, he plays a role in the Joker's origins and is less sympathetic than traditional incarnations. Alec Baldwin was initially cast in the role, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts.

Dante Pereira-Olson as Bruce Wayne: The young son of Thomas Wayne, who in his adulthood becomes the Joker's archenemy Batman.

[LaLaLand]

Joker & Batman in this movie :omgno: Kinda here for this dynamic tbh.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dante+Pereira+Olson+Never+New+York+Premiere+-wm4LEB45Yhl.jpg

[LaLaLand]

New teaser/trailer is expected to drop anytime now for this.

[Tony Montana]

New teaser/trailer is expected to drop anytime now for this.

Looking forward to this :clap1::clap1::clap1::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Joaquin's gonna kill the Joker performance

[LaLaLand]

"Joaquin Phoenix’s ‘Joker’ Is the ‘Character Study of a Mentally Ill Person,’ Says Marc Maron"

“I think it’s a very interesting approach to this world,” Maron said of “Joker.” “I’ve been somewhat judgemental when it comes to comic book movies and I’ve got a little pushback in the press for being a hypocrite…The approach that Todd Phillips has taken is more of an origin story and a character study of a mentally ill person that becomes The Joker. It’s more of an intimate and gritty movie with a very specific scope. It’s going to be really interesting to see how it comes out.”

While the superhero movie genre is currently Marvel crazy thanks to the success of “Captain Marvel” and the upcoming “Avengers: Endgame,” Warner Bros. and DC could be the only thing superhero fans are talking about come the fall. “The Hangover” director Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix are putting their own stamp on an iconic Batman villain in “Joker,” an R-rated prequel film that is bound to attract a lot of attention. The movie stars Phoenix as a failed stand-up comedian named Arthur Fleck who is driven insane and becomes the Joker. The film co-stars Marc Maron, who recently teased the project in an interview with NME.

Maron has been critical about superhero movies but said he couldn’t pass up the chance to act in scenes opposite Phoenix and Robert De Niro. The latter is playing a popular late night talk show host who somehow plays a part in Arthur’s psychological downfall and transformation into the Joker.

“If you get a call and someone says, ‘Hey do you wanna do a scene with Robert De Niro and Joaquin Phoenix?’ your principals fall to the wayside,” Maron said. “I did a week in New York and did a scene with De Niro and Phoenix. I couldn’t believe it was happening, but once I got there I was like ‘Here we go. Let’s do the job.’”

Maron’s character has yet to be revealed, although if he shot scenes with De Niro and Phoenix it’s safe to assume his role is somehow related to the late night talk show. The comedian and podcast host is a series regular on the Netflix comedy “G.L.O.W.” Maron said acting opposite De Niro wasn’t as intimidating as one might think.

“It was great to meet him and it was great to see him work,” Maron said. “I wasn’t really beside myself because they do become people very quickly. When you’re not shooting you are just hanging around. Still, he’s Robert De Niro and the subtleties of how he does what he does is innate and amazing to watch. He’s a nice guy and kinda shy, but it was a great experience and not too much of a mind****.”

As for working with Phoenix, Maron said he didn’t really get the chance to do so, as the actor went method to play the Joker and rarely appeared out-of-character on the set. “I didn’t really get to talk to him because he was pretty immersed in The Joker,” he said. “I was just like, ‘I’m not gonna bother that guy’. That was fine. You just gotta respect people’s process.”

Link (https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/marc-maron-joker-character-study-mentally-ill-person-1202054139/)

[LaLaLand]

Poster is ace:

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/joker-movie-poster.jpg

[Tony Montana]

Holy **** that looks amazing!

[LaLaLand]

Love the tagline, "Put on a happy face"...

[Tony Montana]

Apparently the trailer is tomorrow

[LaLaLand]

Very intrigued to see it, it's going to be very, very, very dark I can guarantee.

[LaLaLand]

Joker Floors CinemaCon with Dark & Sadistic First Footage

Trailer spoilers if you can't wait until tomorrow:

And from the sounds of the footage, it definitely comes on like a raging tragedy in the truest sense of the word.

The teaser kicks off with Arthur Fleck in therapy, giving Joker a real name new to the character. Phoenix says this in voiceover: "My mother always tells me to smile and put on a happy face. She told me I had a purpose, to bring laughter and joy to the world."

The footage cuts to Arthur bathing his mother, played by American Horror Story mainstay Frances Conroy. We then see the future clown get attacked in the streets of Gotham, and this incident appears to push him down a very dark path. Arkham hospital is shown in fleeting glimpses.Thomas Wayne is seen on TV talking about Arthur Fleck's crime spree. The City of Gotham is name dropped a number of times.

"Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?"

The trailer shows Arthur Fleck trying on different clown outfits as he attempts to discover his true Joker persona. He first dresses as a clown with a big green afro, which we've seen in some of the set photos shared by director Todd Phillips. Fleck eventually dyes his hair green, with the teaser presenting its money shot. Joker is seen in what will be his iconic villain costume. The voiceover continues.

"I used to think my life was a tragedy. But now I realize, it's a comedy."

WOW sounds incredible.

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[James]

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I like that trailer.

[Tony Montana]

Damn it James, you beat me to it!

Trailer looks amazing. Joaquin killed it! I truly think his joker will be the best ever.

Hopefully he wins an Oscar for it.

[LaLaLand]

Even from the trailer you can just see this is going to be something special.

Amazing actor and perfect for a role like this. WOW!

[LaLaLand]

The young boy in the trailer that gets his face distorted into a smile by Joker through the bars is BATMAN/Bruce Wayne.

[Jordan.]

Hyped

[James]

Now one of my most anticipated films. Looks like it is a Taxi Driver / King of Comedy type character film.

[LaLaLand]

Now one of my most anticipated films. Looks like it is a Taxi Driver / King of Comedy type character film.

Definitely! The fact DeNiro is in this too makes it even a bit more special, King of the character study!

[Tony Montana]

Phoenix definitely will pull off the Joker role.

Anyone who doubts him should watch ''The Master''

[James]

'Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there...'

That's a great line.

[LaLaLand]

The scene of him hunched over doing whatever he's doing makes me squirm abit, all the bones and muscles in his back sticking out. Ugh this is gonna be so good.

[LaLaLand]

This is Rated R apparently.

[LaLaLand]

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[LaLaLand]

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[Tony Montana]

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These look so awesome!

I can't wait for this film.

[James]

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[Tony Montana]

Looks incredible. I really can't wait.

[LaLaLand]

This is going to be incredible I can feel it.

[Tony Montana]

I think Joaquin will be the best Joker ever!

[Oliver_W]

Looks great :D

[LaLaLand]

New (?) poster:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e1/Joker_%282019_film%29_poster.jpg/1200px-Joker_%282019_film%29_poster.jpg

[Ammi]

New (?) poster:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e1/Joker_%282019_film%29_poster.jpg/1200px-Joker_%282019_film%29_poster.jpg

...no one does dark like Joaquin does dark.../...I have chills just looking at that...

[elosga]

Holy Moly The city of Gotham looks exactly how it should. Gives off a tone from the Arkham games. Heath ledger is probably applauding joaquin phoenix from heaven.

[LaLaLand]

Yeah I think if anyone could match if not better Ledger's amazing take on Joker, it's Phoenix. He's honestly one of the best actors going, incredibly talented character actor.

[LaLaLand]

This is having INCREDIBLE reviews. Being called a masterpiece!

[Tony Montana]

Holy **** all the reviews are highly positive.

And this has a perfect 10/10 on IGN!

[LukeB]

Does anyone know the running time?

[Tony Montana]

Does anyone know the running time?

2hrs 2mins.

Should've been longer.

[Calderyon]

Trailer looked great.

[Tony Montana]

Empire has giving this a 5/5 and it's been called '' the Taxi Driver of comic book films''

I'm so excited!

[LaLaLand]

I thought the OG trailer had big “Taxi Driver” vibes so I’m
mega pleased that that comes through in the overall movie!

[Tony Montana]

The film won the Golden Lion award at the Venice Film Festival.

[Nicky91]

The film won the Golden Lion award at the Venice Film Festival.

yes :)

btw one star Zazie Beets of the movie Joker, was also at another premiere at Venice film fest

she also stars in Seberg alongside Kristen stewart

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[LukeB]

2hrs 2mins.

Should've been longer.

So really 1 hour 57 minutes (somewhere around that) because 5/10 minutes of that is credits. so yes i think it should have been longer.

[LaLaLand]

This has suddenly had an influx of bad reviews which is worrying...

[James]

They took a quote from one of the bad reviews and put it on a poster, haha.

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[Bleachy]

Poster is ace:

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/joker-movie-poster.jpg

Very dope 🤙

[Ammi]

...I read that Joaquin walked out of a promotion interview because the interviewer asked him if he was worried that this film might perversely end up inspiring exactly the kind of people it's about, with potentially tragic results...

...I mean, what on earth with such a question...

[LaLaLand]

This appears to be the official poster now [& I love it]:

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[Ammi]

...yeah it’s a great poster...:love:...I’m just so excited to see his portrayal as he brings so much emotion to all of his parts ...he can be both terrifying and tender in equal measures...

[Tom4784]

...I read that Joaquin walked out of a promotion interview because the interviewer asked him if he was worried that this film might perversely end up inspiring exactly the kind of people it's about, with potentially tragic results...

...I mean, what on earth with such a question...

They need a new scapegoat for the inevitable gun massacres to come. Blaming video games is flopping more than usual and they can't upset the right wing by suggesting that the cause of mass shootings are... you know... guns.

[James]

Joker has been given a 15 rating for 'strong bloody violence, language'. Some speculated it would get an 18, which is quite rare these days.


JOKER

Type of media: Film

Approved Running time: 121m 38s

Release date: 04/10/2019

Ratings Info: strong bloody violence, language

Genre(s): Drama

Director(s): Todd Phillips

Cast includes: Joaquin Phoenix, Zazie Beetz, Robert De Niro, Frances Conroy, Brett Cullen, Marc Maron

Summary: JOKER is a thriller in which an aspiring comedian becomes increasingly unstable after funding for his psychiatric support is curtailed.

Cut: This work was passed uncut.


https://bbfc.co.uk/releases/joker-film-0

[Tony Montana]

So looking forward to this. :clap1: Most of the reviews I've read have been positive and Joaquin's Joker performance is receiving incredible praise.

[Alf]

Some people call him the Space Cowboy. Some call him the Gangster of love. Some people call him Maurice, cause he speaks of the pompitous of love.

9.5 rating on IMDB. That maybe the highest rating I've seen for any film. I expect that rating will go down in time.

[James]

I watched a review where the person said she was really unsettled and unnerved by the film. She also thought Jaoquin Phoenix gave a great perfomance.

[Vanessa]

I watched a review where the person said she was really unsettled and unnerved by the film. She also thought Jaoquin Phoenix gave a great perfomance.

I love him. One of my favourite actors. I want to watch it just for his performance.

[Tony Montana]

I love him. One of my favourite actors. I want to watch it just for his performance.

Same. He was brilliant as Commodus in Gladiator. Really made me despise his character. I can't wait to see him as the Joker.

[Vanessa]

Same. He was brilliant as Commodus in Gladiator. Really made me despise his character. I can't wait to see him as the Joker.

Yes, he was fantastic in it.

[James]

I'm going to see Joker tomorrow. The reviews have got me intrigued.

[LaLaLand]

The reactions from the public on Twitter are completely positive as far as I can see. They can’t believe what they’ve watched in most cases, a gritty, completely disturbing, Oscar-worthy masterpiece.

[Vanessa]

I want to watch the late night extended version :dance:

[Babayaro.]

A masterpiece! Phoenix deserves an oscar for that performance :clap1:

[Tony Montana]

A masterpiece! Phoenix deserves an oscar for that performance :clap1:

Was he better than Ledger?

[Tony Montana]

I want to watch the late night extended version :dance:

How was it?

[Tony Montana]

Watching on Sunday, so excited!

[LaLaLand]

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And yet there are still people on social media “I ThInK tHiS wIlL fLoP” “nOt My JoKeR” “LeDgEr Is ThE bEsT” :smug:

[Vanessa]

How was it?

I'm going to watch it on Monday night.

[Vanessa]

He's always been one of my favourites. About time he got an Oscar.

[LaLaLand]

He's always been one of my favourites. About time he got an Oscar.

It's criminal how he hasn't won a Best Actor Oscar yet. I mean, I thought Walk the Line would have done it for him easily he was incredible in that! Hopefully this is his year. :shrug:

[Vanessa]

It's criminal how he hasn't won a Best Actor Oscar yet. I mean, I thought Walk the Line would have done it for him easily he was incredible in that! Hopefully this is his year. :shrug:

He should have got it for Gladiator. He was incredible!

[Tony Montana]

I'm going to watch it on Monday night.

I thought you'd watched it already. :fan:

[Tony Montana]

It's criminal how he hasn't won a Best Actor Oscar yet. I mean, I thought Walk the Line would have done it for him easily he was incredible in that! Hopefully this is his year. :shrug:

He lost to Philip Seymour Hoffman's Capote that year, who had an equally amazing performance. Their performances, along with Heath Ledger's performance in Brokeback Mountain, makes 2005 one of the strongest Best Actor line-ups ever!

All three of them would've made worthy winners.

[Tony Montana]

He should have got it for Gladiator. He was incredible!

He was robbed of Gladiator and especially the Master.

[Ramsay]

Best movie I've seen in a long, long time. Give Joaquin all the Oscars

[Amy Jade]

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And yet there are still people on social media “I ThInK tHiS wIlL fLoP” “nOt My JoKeR” “LeDgEr Is ThE bEsT” :smug:

I mean box office is meaningless if people just prefer Ledger's joker.

[Daniel.]

This was fantastic, dark and gripping the entire way through, Joaquin Phoenix did a fantastic job of watching a man go insane, the last thirty minutes had me on edge.

[Babayaro.]

Did he kill his neighbour then?

[Vanessa]

Going to see this tonight. I'm so excited! :dance:

[Vanessa]

I like Jack Nicholson version of the joker as well. He's just fantastic.

[James]

I thought it was fine, a 7 out of 10.

I feel the Internet hype and clickbait culture has let it down - many film critics have gone into it thinking it is politically dangerous, which it isn't - if any viewer finds the main character to be inspirational then they are as deluded as him. Many comic-book fans have gone in expecting a all-time great film.

It is basically a story of a very damaged man, that loses complete touch with reality, loses empathy, and does terrible things to others. It is a fairly slight story really, although I think the plot works quite well.

When you compare it to the films it emulates - like Taxi Driver - I don't think it is as good as those. Taxi Driver was more powerful because in that film Travis Bickle is an almost ordinary man that takes extreme actions, whereas Arthur in Joker is mentally ill from the start.

Thinking about it later an idea I took out of it was how mobs and revolutionaries can too easily come to believe a person represents something that person really isn't.


When Arthur kills the three wealthy men on the train, it is in self-defence (although that is borderline) and because of his previous treatment. The press, however, reports that they got killed because they are rich, which contributes to the crowds starting to treat the clown figure as a hero. Which is totally wrong of course because he doesn't have any political view or philosophy and is actually a psychopath.


Another thing I thought when watching was the trailers showed a lot of the film, without giving away the plot necessarily.

A lot of it is well done - like the last 30 minutes is very tense. It certainly stayed in my mind for a while after watching it.

Oh, and by the way, there was one song-choice I was quite taken aback to hear used - it's as if the film-makers didn't know what they were using there.

[Alf]

I thought it was fine, a 7 out of 10.

I feel the Internet hype and clickbait culture has let it down - many film critics have gone into it thinking it is politically dangerous, which it isn't - if any viewer finds the main character to be inspirational then they are as deluded as him. Many comic-book fans have gone in expecting a all-time great film.

It is basically a story of a very damaged man, that loses complete touch with reality, loses empathy, and does terrible things to others. It is a fairly slight story really, although I think the plot works quite well.

When you compare it to the films it emulates - like Taxi Driver - I don't think it is as good as those. Taxi Driver was more powerful because in that film Travis Bickle is an almost ordinary man that takes extreme actions, whereas Arthur in Joker is mentally ill from the start.

Thinking about it later an idea I took out of it was how mobs and revolutionaries can too easily come to believe a person represents something that person really isn't.


When Arthur kills the three wealthy men on the train, it is in self-defence (although that is borderline) and because of his previous treatment. The press, however, reports that they got killed because they are rich, which contributes to the crowds starting to treat the clown figure as a hero. Which is totally wrong of course because he doesn't have any political view or philosophy and is actually a psychopath.


Another thing I thought when watching was the trailers showed a lot of the film, without giving away the plot necessarily.

A lot of it is well done - like the last 30 minutes is very tense. It certainly stayed in my mind for a while after watching it.

Oh, and by the way, there was one song-choice I was quite taken aback to hear used - it's as if the film-makers didn't know what they were using there.Political dangerous :laugh: Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

[James]

Political dangerous :laugh: Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

There were news stories about how it would inspire 'incels' to violence.

The film isn't like that at all though. Having watched that documentary that was posted on here, there's only one very small part of the film that those people could take something from.

[arista]

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29382443/joker-movie-gary-glitter-song/

Joker's use of a Gary Glitter song
has been heavily criticised


[And, viewers have now been left deeply unimpressed with
the use of Glitter's 1972 'Rock and Roll Part 2' in one scene.]

[Alf]

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29382443/joker-movie-gary-glitter-song/

Joker's use of a Gary Glitter song
has been heavily criticisedDon't agree with that, the song didn't commit the crime. I like the film Chinatown, and I'm not gonna stop liking it just because it's a Roman Polanski film. I can dislike Polanski the person for his crimes, but it doesn't mean I have to miss out on his films.

[arista]

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Song
Rock & Roll Part 2
Artist
Gary Glitter
Album
Rock 'N' Roll (Pt. II)
Writers
Gary Glitter, Mike Leander
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The Orchard Music (on behalf of Snapper Music);
UMPG Publishing,
LatinAutor, UNIAO BRASILEIRA DE EDITORAS DE MUSICA
- UBEM, ASCAP, CMRRA, BMI - Broadcast Music Inc.,
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UMPI, and 8 music rights societies

[arista]

Don't agree with that, the song didn't commit the crime. I like the film Chinatown, and I'm not gonna stop liking it just because it's a Roman Polanski film. I can dislike Polanski the person for his crimes, but it doesn't mean I have to miss out on his films.



Polanski
made Chinatown
10 Out Of 10 Film

Before they banned him.

And Played the Nasty Fella with a Knife

[Tony Montana]

Watched this last night and holy ****! Not only is this the best film of the year, it's a strong contender for best film of the decade, as well as the greatest comic book film of all time.

Everything about this film was perfect and Joaquin's performance is simply out of this world! He better win an Oscar.

[Alf]

Watched this last night and holy ****! Not only is this the best film of the year, it's a strong contender for best film of the decade, as well as the greatest comic book film of all time.

Everything about this film was perfect and Joaquin's performance is simply out of this world! He better win an Oscar.Better than Avengers End Game?

[Tony Montana]

Better than Avengers End Game?

Easily better imo.

[Vicky.]

Political dangerous :laugh: Why, because it's a straight White man being a hero, and beating people up? Who's been saying it's Politically dangerous? I bet I know the types, The MSM of the left?

A lot of Americans seem to think it will inspire another aurora type situation. But..thats a bad way to think really as it is shifting the blame from the psycho onto a film.

[Ammi]

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29382443/joker-movie-gary-glitter-song/

Joker's use of a Gary Glitter song
has been heavily criticised


[And, viewers have now been left deeply unimpressed with
the use of Glitter's 1972 'Rock and Roll Part 2' in one scene.]

...I read that earlier...the earnings from soundtrack songs vary a huge amount and Gary Glitter has no star or celebrity ‘power’ at all...so I’m thinking he’ll only earn a very minimal amount from the song being used...

[Jordan.]

This was so so GOOD, I wanna see it again.

[Marsh.]

Better than Avengers End Game?

Not difficult to be better than that bloated and overrated fan-wank.

[Marsh.]

So glad this is good though. Going to see it on Friday. :flutter:

[Vanessa]

So glad this is good though. Going to see it on Friday. :flutter:

I'm just about to watch it. A late night screening :D

[Tony Montana]

So glad this is good though. Going to see it on Friday. :flutter:

I'm just about to watch it. A late night screening :D

Hope you both enjoy it!

[Tony Montana]

To answer Marc's question on the previous page which contains a minor spoiler.

I don't think he killed her. At that point in the movie, he had a moral compass, I don't think he'd have killed a decent person like Sophie. He allowed Gary to live, so clearly he had some sense of compassion left for decent people.

[Beastie]

It was okay. Phoenix played a good joker but I was expecting more from the film. Wasn't dark or twisted enough for me :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Wow, that was amazing! I really enjoyed it.
Joaquin phoenix was just incredible. What a performance! That's some of the best acting I've ever seen. :clap1:

[Vanessa]

So teh movie is really well made. It captures the feel of Gotham city perfectly.
But the best thing in it is Joaquin Phoenix. He really takes you on a journey in this. Towards the end I was feeling really unsettled.

[Niamh.]

Going to see it tonight

[Vanessa]

Going to see it tonight

Hope you enjoy it. If you like Joaquin Phoenix, you're going to love this!

[Vanessa]

Didn't know Robert de Niro was in it. That's the cherry on top. He's always fantastic.

[Alf]

I'll wait for the dvd. I'm in no rush to see it.

[Niamh.]

Was he better than Ledger?

I love Heath Ledger and honestly if some of the stuff I read about joaquin Phoenix are true then he's not a nice person so I really want to say Heath was better but he wasn't. Heath played the joker better than anyone in the past but Joaquin played him so so well I doubt he could ever be surpassed he made him sympathetic, disturbed, kind, unpredictable, cruel all in one go

Did he kill his neighbour then?

I need to know this also

[Vanessa]

I love Heath Ledger and honestly if some of the stuff I read about joaquin Phoenix are true then he's not a nice person so I really want to say Heath was better but he wasn't. Heath played the joker better than anyone in the past but Joaquin played him so so well I doubt he could ever be surpassed he made him sympathetic, disturbed, kind, unpredictable, cruel all in one go



I need to know this also

Joaquin phoenix is such a talented actor. I think he was amazing on Joker. This is an Oscar worthy performance. But I also like Heath ledger and Jack Nicholson jokers

[LaLaLand]

I love Heath Ledger and honestly if some of the stuff I read about joaquin Phoenix are true then he's not a nice person so I really want to say Heath was better but he wasn't. Heath played the joker better than anyone in the past but Joaquin played him so so well I doubt he could ever be surpassed he made him sympathetic, disturbed, kind, unpredictable, cruel all in one go

I’m intrigued, what have you read to make you think that? Just curious.

[Niamh.]

I’m intrigued, what have you read to make you think that? Just curious.

It's more to do with Casey Affleck and the claim seems to be legit with regards to him (I'm pretty sure his accuser actually quit without being paid because of his harassment) but Joaquin seems to have had some involvement in it too



https://www.themarysue.com/casey-affleck-joaquin-phoenix-complicit-behavior/

[MTVN]

I'm thinking of going to see this today but as a rule I'm not really a fan of superhero films and don't really know much about the Batman universe so not sure I'd be that into it? :think:

[Vanessa]

I'm thinking of going to see this today but as a rule I'm not really a fan of superhero films and don't really know much about the Batman universe so not sure I'd be that into it? :think:

Go see it. You're going to love it!

[Niamh.]

I'm thinking of going to see this today but as a rule I'm not really a fan of superhero films and don't really know much about the Batman universe so not sure I'd be that into it? :think:

I don't think you necessarily have to be into Superhero films to enjoy it or get it Matt, it's just a basic how the Joker became the Joker type story (I'm sure you have a vague idea about who he is anyway)

There's no actual superhero stuff in it either

[Vanessa]

Joaquin Phoenix performance is enough to go and see it.

[user104658]

I don't think you necessarily have to be into Superhero films to enjoy it or get it Matt, it's just a basic how the Joker became the Joker type story (I'm sure you have a vague idea about who he is anyway)

There's no actual superhero stuff in it either

Tbh I prefer the theory (that the directors have not denied) that the Joker in this is not actually THE Joker at all, and rather that the Joker who is batman's nemesis was just inspired by the aesthetic.

My reason for this is that the entire point of the Joker is that he is an "avatar of chaos". There is no how or why to him, there is no complex trauma behind him, he just IS, because he enjoys it, the violence and chaos, for no reason that anyone would understand.

It's the same reason that while I love Ledger's performance in Dark Knight Rises, he isn't my "best joker" in terms of the lore. But the Nolan films in general are really more interpretations of than representations of Batman lore (Batman is underskilled and underpowered, the tech / Batmobile etc is a more "realistic" take, etc.)

But yeah. I haven't seen Joker and it might be a great standalone film (I've read mixed reactions) BUT no matter what, I stand by my opinion that explaining the Joker ruins the Joker.

[LukeB]

Saw this last night and i will give it 8/10. First half was good but a bit meh at times but the second half was great especially the last 30 minutes. Joaquin Phoenix‘s performance was fantastic however i prefer Heath.

[Vanessa]

Saw this last night and i will give it 8/10. First half was good but a bit meh at times but the second half was great especially the last 30 minutes. Joaquin Phoenix‘s performance was fantastic however i prefer Heath.

I think theyre equally brilliant and Oscar worthy.

[Vanessa]

Of course for me The Joker will always be Jack Nicholson. :love:

[Niamh.]

Tbh I prefer the theory (that the directors have not denied) that the Joker in this is not actually THE Joker at all, and rather that the Joker who is batman's nemesis was just inspired by the aesthetic.

My reason for this is that the entire point of the Joker is that he is an "avatar of chaos". There is no how or why to him, there is no complex trauma behind him, he just IS, because he enjoys it, the violence and chaos, for no reason that anyone would understand.

It's the same reason that while I love Ledger's performance in Dark Knight Rises, he isn't my "best joker" in terms of the lore. But the Nolan films in general are really more interpretations of than representations of Batman lore (Batman is underskilled and underpowered, the tech / Batmobile etc is a more "realistic" take, etc.)

But yeah. I haven't seen Joker and it might be a great standalone film (I've read mixed reactions) BUT no matter what, I stand by my opinion that explaining the Joker ruins the Joker.

I've not heard that theory but I suppose it could make sense although I thought you would have liked Heaths version since his was a very "no origin" take on it

I disagree that explaining the Joker ruins him though, it makes me more interested in him tbh

[Vanessa]

Yes, I don't think explaining the Joker ruins him. Quite the contrary. Because to me he's always been such a fascinating character.

[user104658]

It doesn't make for a bad alternative take on the Joker but it does fundamentally alter the character. If he is just a psychologically broken man twisted by trauma then he is simply -not- chaotic, his actions are a very explainable form of mental illness.

The classic Joker isn't broken in that way, his actions don't come from a place of pain or anger, his violence has always come from a totally random place of "Well why not?". His sheer unpredictability is vital to the character as a villain for Batman because Batman is "the great detective"... A genius who can see patterns in everything and solve these questions... But he can never predict The Joker.

Like I said I haven't seen the film and it may well be a fantastic version of a character with similar traits, but I can't accept it as an origin story for THE actual Joker (and the film makers have stated emphatically that it is not that and not intended to be that).

[user104658]

And I know Ledger's joker didn't have specific origin but he was played as a deeply angry and broken individual. He was fantastic and like I said, a great version of The Joker for Nolan's interpretation of Batman, but that trilogy was entirely intended to be a more grounded interpretation of the material. Bane wasn't huge and green, for example, and characters like Batman himself and Catwoman had much more "realistic" human abilities than most versions. In fact, a huge theme of Dark Knight Rises was Batman's realistic physical fragility.

[James]

It doesn't make for a bad alternative take on the Joker but it does fundamentally alter the character. If he is just a psychologically broken man twisted by trauma then he is simply -not- chaotic, his actions are a very explainable form of mental illness.

The classic Joker isn't broken in that way, his actions don't come from a place of pain or anger, his violence has always come from a totally random place of "Well why not?". His sheer unpredictability is vital to the character as a villain for Batman because Batman is "the great detective"... A genius who can see patterns in everything and solve these questions... But he can never predict The Joker.

Like I said I haven't seen the film and it may well be a fantastic version of a character with similar traits, but I can't accept it as an origin story for THE actual Joker (and the film makers have stated emphatically that it is not that and not intended to be that).

One of the criticisms I've seen of this Joker is that he isn't intelligent and doesn't have a philosophy, so it is not credible that he will eventually end up as an adversary that can challenge Batman.

There might be a roundabout way of explaining that away but it is not that believable. Slight spoiler...


The medications, which he stops taking, were suppressing his intelligence.


The film does want you to think it is part of the Batman mythology.

[Niamh.]

One of the criticisms I've seen of this Joker is that he isn't intelligent and doesn't have a philosophy, so it is not credible that he will eventually end up as an adversary that can challenge Batman.

There might be a roundabout way of explaining that away but it is not that believable. Slight spoiler...


The medications, which he stops taking, were suppressing his intelligence.


The film does want you to think it is part of the Batman mythology.

He does seem to get more intelligent as the film goes on imo, how he spoke to Murray for example, releasing that he was taking the piss out of him etc

[user104658]

The film does want you to think it is part of the Batman mythology.

It does but they've been clear that he's not the Joker that will be part of the DCU / Patzman films. I don't know if they're keeping Leto or casting a new Joker but it's definitely not the Phoenix Joker.

Unclear though if Joker is just meant to be a standalone movie unrelated to the wider universe, or if (like I said) he's a sort of "proto-Joker" who inspired "Batman's Joker", especially as Joker is I think supposed to be set in the early 80's and "current era" Batman would only have been a child at the time... by the time he's full-blown Batman, this Joker would be drawing his pension. And while the Joker is usually depicted as older than Batman, it's more a guy in his 50's, not pushing 70!

Anyway... I think I did read a quote from one of the writers or maybe the director of Joker who even himself suggested that maybe this Joker inspired the eventual "Prince of Crime" Joker.

[Vanessa]

I really liked the style and feel of the movie. You can tell how much Todd likes Scorsese.

[JerseyWins]

Saw this last night. Preeeeeeeeetty dark but great movie nonetheless :clap1:

[LaLaLand]

This has already made over $300MILLION in one week - wow! Budget was “only” $55MILLION.

[Vanessa]

This has already made over $300MILLION in one week - wow! Budget was “only” $55MILLION.

I want to see it again for Joaquin incredible performance :love:

[Jordan.]

I haven't stopped thinking about this film all week

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[Tony Montana]

I love Heath Ledger and honestly if some of the stuff I read about joaquin Phoenix are true then he's not a nice person so I really want to say Heath was better but he wasn't. Heath played the joker better than anyone in the past but Joaquin played him so so well I doubt he could ever be surpassed he made him sympathetic, disturbed, kind, unpredictable, cruel all in one go



I need to know this also

100% agree. Phoenix was definitely better than Ledger. Phoenix had a much more difficult job and he pulled it off.


I don't think he killed her. At that point in the movie, he had a moral compass, I don't think he'd have killed a decent person like Sophie. He allowed Gary to live, so clearly he had some sense of compassion left for decent people.

But it's really open to interpretation.

[Tony Montana]

This has already made over $300MILLION in one week - wow! Budget was “only” $55MILLION.

Here for it grossing a billion. :clap1:

[Alf]

My mate has just given me a free ticket for tomorrow. So I'm gonna go see it.

[LaLaLand]

Popped into town earlier with my mate just for a look around and ended up sacking off the shops because of horrible weather and opted to see this instead on a whim.

Both of us absolutely loved it, it's really brilliant. I can definitely see all of the Scorcese influence in this, it's like King of Comedy (De Niro's character in this could easily have been modern-day Rupert Pupkin!) meets Taxi Driver meets some sort of more unsettling, psychological horror. Phenomenal performance by Phoenix (as usual). It was everything I hoped and MORE!

Probably the best comic book or "superhero movie" (I use that term extremely loosely for this) ever.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I prefer the theory (that the directors have not denied) that the Joker in this is not actually THE Joker at all, and rather that the Joker who is batman's nemesis was just inspired by the aesthetic.

My reason for this is that the entire point of the Joker is that he is an "avatar of chaos". There is no how or why to him, there is no complex trauma behind him, he just IS, because he enjoys it, the violence and chaos, for no reason that anyone would understand.

It's the same reason that while I love Ledger's performance in Dark Knight Rises, he isn't my "best joker" in terms of the lore. But the Nolan films in general are really more interpretations of than representations of Batman lore (Batman is underskilled and underpowered, the tech / Batmobile etc is a more "realistic" take, etc.)

But yeah. I haven't seen Joker and it might be a great standalone film (I've read mixed reactions) BUT no matter what, I stand by my opinion that explaining the Joker ruins the Joker.

In the canon comics, the Joker's real name is never given; some elseworlds and movies call him Jack Napier though.

I don't think this is THE Joker because THE Joker started out as a criminal called Red Hood (One). He fell into a vat of chemicals which drove him insane, and bleached his skin and greened his hair. So it's not clown makeup he wears, the chemicals literally turned him into a 'clown'.

#DCFanboy

But then I've not seen Joker yet.

[Ramsay]

In the canon comics, the Joker's real name is never given; some elseworlds and movies call him Jack Napier though.

I don't think this is THE Joker because THE Joker started out as a criminal called Red Hood (One). He fell into a vat of chemicals which drove him insane, and bleached his skin and greened his hair. So it's not clown makeup he wears, the chemicals literally turned him into a 'clown'.

#DCFanboy

But then I've not seen Joker yet.

This Joker is it's own stand alone version of the character with no ties to the comics apart from obvioiusly Gotham and the Waynes and stuff so he could be this versions actual joker but I think I prefer the idea of him influencing the real one but hey that's the great thing about this movie is that it's always open for interception

[Vanessa]

Popped into town earlier with my mate just for a look around and ended up sacking off the shops because of horrible weather and opted to see this instead on a whim.

Both of us absolutely loved it, it's really brilliant. I can definitely see all of the Scorcese influence in this, it's like King of Comedy (De Niro's character in this could easily have been modern-day Rupert Pupkin!) meets Taxi Driver meets some sort of more unsettling, psychological horror. Phenomenal performance by Phoenix (as usual). It was everything I hoped and MORE!

Probably the best comic book or "superhero movie" (I use that term extremely loosely for this) ever.
I'm still haunted by his performance. It was so brilliant. Really something special. I hope he gets that Oscar.

[Alf]

I going to the 2.25 showing, hopefully there won't be many there at this time on a Monday, I love having the cinema to myself, can't stand a packed cinema.

[Vanessa]

I going to the 2.25 showing, hopefully there won't be many there at this time on a Monday, I love having the cinema to myself, can't stand a packed cinema.

Same. I prefer when they're aren't many people.

[Alf]

Very good, although not near one of the best films ever.

It was very Taxi Driver like. So it was apt to have Travis Bickle in it.

Enjoyed it, and will likely watch it again in the future.



8 1/2 out of 10

[Tom4784]

It's an excellent film that I'll never watch again. It's challenging, unpleasant, uncomfortable and incredibly well made and it reminded me a lot of 'We Need To Talk About Kevin' which I have similar feelings about.

It should really dominate the awards season but given the typical media treatment of DC properties (and it's particularly unjust disdain for this film) I don't think it will.

[Oliver_W]

It should really dominate the awards season but given the typical media treatment of DC properties (and it's particularly unjust disdain for this film) I don't think it will.

I don't know how much my tastes reflect general audiences, but I couldn't stand any of the DC movies apart from Wonder Woman and Shazam, and Aquaman was okay. For the shows I really like Arrow, I'm mehh about Titans, I like Watchmen, and I don't like Batwoman. (not yet seen whatever ones I've not mentioned)

I never really read reviews, so if that in any way correlates with the public, or especially awards-deciders Joker might be in luck :joker:

[Marsh.]

Watched this at the weekend.

Incredible.

[Tony Montana]

It's an excellent film that I'll never watch again. It's challenging, unpleasant, uncomfortable and incredibly well made and it reminded me a lot of 'We Need To Talk About Kevin' which I have similar feelings about.

It should really dominate the awards season but given the typical media treatment of DC properties (and it's particularly unjust disdain for this film) I don't think it will.

As long as Joaquin wins his long overdue Oscar, I'll be satisfied.

[Oliver_W]

Apparently the steps the Joker danced down in the Bronx have become quite a tourist attraction! That could be a boon for the area - put up some nice pubs/cafes/restaurants/hotels/apartments, make it more upmarket :)

[LaLaLand]

Apparently the steps the Joker danced down in the Bronx have become quite a tourist attraction! That could be a boon for the area - put up some nice pubs/cafes/restaurants/hotels/apartments, make it more upmarket :)

Yeah and the local residents aren't happy about it! :skull:

They're worried what you said may come true and they don't want that, they want The Bronx to stay authentically "rough around the edges" and sort of old school New York, no fancy stuff. :joker:

[Oliver_W]

Yeah and the local residents aren't happy about it! :skull:

They're worried what you said may come true and they don't want that, they want The Bronx to stay authentically "rough around the edges" and sort of old school New York, no fancy stuff. :joker:

Bit selfish of them :( if people are going to travel to see the Joker Steps, there should be other things there as well!

[Marsh.]

Bit selfish of them :( if people are going to travel to see the Joker Steps, there should be other things there as well!

If people are travelling to see a set of steps, maybe take your own refreshments.

[user104658]

There would be a magical irony in Joker - a movie about societal rejection and disenfranchisement - sparking a small gentrification in The Bronx :hehe:.

However it would be a terrible business prospect; the film is only just out, it's not going to be drawing tourists in a year, let alone in 5.

[Tom4784]

I don't know how much my tastes reflect general audiences, but I couldn't stand any of the DC movies apart from Wonder Woman and Shazam, and Aquaman was okay. For the shows I really like Arrow, I'm mehh about Titans, I like Watchmen, and I don't like Batwoman. (not yet seen whatever ones I've not mentioned)

I never really read reviews, so if that in any way correlates with the public, or especially awards-deciders Joker might be in luck :joker:

Aquaman was robbed of a lot of technical nods, the film is a 7/10 but it deserved recognition in the technical categories.

Wonder Woman was amazing but was undercut by Greta Gerwig, sadly.

There's always been an imbalance of how the media looks at the MCU and DC, DC have had missteps but there's a fair few MCU films that are at best, mediocre that never really got branded as such. You get more clicks from positive MCU stories and a lot more clicks about negative DC stories than good ones which is why Joker's pretty much been the victim of a massive push by the media to push it into the mould of a story they want it to be.

[Jordan.]

Did he kill his neighbour then?

We have the answer to this now

Joker director Todd Phillips has revealed that he originally filmed a scene that confirmed Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck didn't kill Zazie Beetz's character in the movie.

While the filmmakers have previously made it clear that Sophie Dumond (Beetz) survived, Phillips has now said that the film was initially going to feature a cutaway to Sophie watching Arthur's climactic interview with former idol Murray Franklin (Robert De Niro).

Considering his talk show appearance happened a couple of days after she'd discovered an uninvited Arthur in her apartment – and it hauntingly transpired that he'd been imagining their romance – the shot would have proved that neither she, nor her daughter, had met their untimely end in that instance.

Ultimately however, Phillips decided to cut the short scene from the movie because he wanted to maintain the film's narrative structure and also ensure that it was always told from the Clown Prince of Crime's point of view.

"He doesn't kill her, definitively," Phillips said during an interview with IndieWire. "As the filmmaker and the writer, I am saying he doesn't kill her. We like the idea that it's almost like a litmus test for the audience to say, 'How crazy is he?'

[Marsh.]

Didn't he come out of her apartment covered in blood? Icr.

[Babayaro.]

Good. I didn't think he did, seeing as he only really killed those who he thought had done him wrong/treated him badly.

[Tony Montana]

We have the answer to this now

Joker director Todd Phillips has revealed that he originally filmed a scene that confirmed Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck didn't kill Zazie Beetz's character in the movie.

While the filmmakers have previously made it clear that Sophie Dumond (Beetz) survived, Phillips has now said that the film was initially going to feature a cutaway to Sophie watching Arthur's climactic interview with former idol Murray Franklin (Robert De Niro).

Considering his talk show appearance happened a couple of days after she'd discovered an uninvited Arthur in her apartment – and it hauntingly transpired that he'd been imagining their romance – the shot would have proved that neither she, nor her daughter, had met their untimely end in that instance.

Ultimately however, Phillips decided to cut the short scene from the movie because he wanted to maintain the film's narrative structure and also ensure that it was always told from the Clown Prince of Crime's point of view.

"He doesn't kill her, definitively," Phillips said during an interview with IndieWire. "As the filmmaker and the writer, I am saying he doesn't kill her. We like the idea that it's almost like a litmus test for the audience to say, 'How crazy is he?'

I do wish they hadn't revealed what had happened. I loved how it was left open to interpretation.

[Tony Montana]

Didn't he come out of her apartment covered in blood? Icr.

He didn't.

[Marsh.]

I can't remember all of the details anymore, but is it possible she never existed at all?

[Tony Montana]

I can't remember all of the details anymore, but is it possible she never existed at all?

It's a possibility. I mean he thought they were a couple in his mind so anything's possible. :laugh:

[Tony Montana]

A bit late but Joker is the highest grossing R-rated film of all time, beating the previous record holder, Deadpool 2.

Joker isn't nearly done tearing through box office records.

The DC comic book film has officially become the highest-grossing R-rated movie in box office history, having grossed $788 million, The Hollywood Reporter writes. This breaks the $783 million worldwide record previously held by Deadpool, unadjusted for inflation. Deadpool 2 also grossed $785 million worldwide, but this includes a subsequent re-release.

After hitting theaters mired in controversy, Joker has been continuously impressing at the box office, getting started by shattering the record for biggest opening weekend ever for an October release. Now, it's racking up worldwide grosses on par with a major superhero action blockbuster, despite the film being a slower-paced character study in the vein of Taxi Driver, and despite not even having a release in China, where superhero films often rack up a huge chunk of change.

In fact, Joker, which reportedly cost about $60 million to make, will take in more than $400 million in profits, Deadline reports. That would make it nearly as profitable as Avengers: Infinity War, Deadline notes, a film that grossed far more but also had a significantly higher budget.

Now the question becomes whether Joker, set to surge past $800 million, can actually break $1 billion at the worldwide box office, becoming only the second non-Disney movie of the year to do so. Box office prognosticators once thought that impossible, but Warner Bros. may have the last laugh.

[Tony Montana]

Joker tops $1 billion.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/joker-pass-1-billion-worldwide-today/

[Tony Montana]

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111301249/7077196-theofficepartying.gif

[Tony Montana]

I was expecting a critical success but a commercial success this massive? Nope!

[LaLaLand]

WELL deserved!

[LukeB]

Looks like it’s getting a sequel

https://www.nme.com/news/film/happening-joker-sequel-confirmed-2569860

[LaLaLand]

Man I don’t know how I feel about a sequel.

Like to me, it’s so spot-on perfect as a stand-alone movie that I just hope that a sequel that could potentially prove to be not-so-good (which is possible) doesn’t mar the shine of the original. Hmm...

[Tom4784]

It really shouldn't have a sequel.

[Jordan.]

Hm obviously doesn't need a sequel but I don't doubt they can come up with something equally great if given the time. Joaquin would be the first off board if it seemed subpar to the first.

[LaLaLand]

Hm obviously doesn't need a sequel but I don't doubt they can come up with something equally great if given the time. Joaquin would be the first off board if it seemed subpar to the first.

This is true. Hopefully if he did ever decide against it once he'd read the script etc the director and co would have the right attitude and not go ahead with it and NOT re-cast. :fc:

[Tony Montana]

I'm mixed on this. Of course it'd be brilliant to see Joaquin return but I'm not sure if it'll be as good as the first. I think they'd need to introduce Batman as I don't think they can go through the character study route again now that Arthur's broken bad. If not that, then have him rise to the top of Gotham's criminal underworld.

[James]

Joker 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[LaLaLand]

Be cool if they picked up right where they left off or just after, maybe Arthur breaks out of the Asylum with the help of the rioters perhaps?

[Brother Leon]

Not sure how they can take it? There’s no Batman or any other characters to lean on and we’ve already had the origin.

[Daniel.]

Best film of the tens fight me

[James]

Don’t Dress For ‘Joker’ Sequel Yet; Insiders Say Todd Phillips Never Pitched Origin Film Series On Other DC Characters

By Mike Fleming Jr

Mike Fleming Jr
Co-Editor-in-Chief, Film
@DeadlineMike


The Joker sequel news that hit a trade today is great click bait, but multiple inside sources said that while a sequel to the billion-dollar-grossing film is an obvious likely eventuality that makes all the financial sense in the world, at this point there are no deals for a sequel, nor even any negotiations with director Todd Phillips or his co-writer Scott Silver to craft one.

Those sources add that the linchpin of today’s THR story — that a week after Joker‘s opening, Phillips met with Warner Bros film chief Toby Emmerich to pitch a portfolio of DC character origin stories — is as flat false as earlier stories that Martin Scorsese contemplated directing the first Joker (Scorsese was originally going to be a producer but dropped out because of his crowded schedule). Multiple sources said no such October 7 meeting between Phillips and Emmerich occurred, and that Phillips doesn’t want to follow Joker by overseeing other DC character films. What he has talked about in interviews is that when Joker was in its inception, there were discussions of a DC Black initiative. He instead focused on Joker. That was a long time ago. Phillips has a track record of being selective: After The Hangover began breaking records for R-rated films, he did not seek to turn his company into a comedy factory.


No one is saying a Joker sequel won’t happen someday. But multiple sources said nothing has happened yet and that Phillips and co-writer Scott Silver have made no real moves to draft the further dark rise of Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck character, or even to make a deal to do that.


https://deadline.com/2019/11/joker-sequel-no-discussions-yet-todd-phillips-no-dc-origin-villian-films-planned-1202790774/

[Nicky91]

gonna watch this movie tonight for first time :D

[LaLaLand]

Well done to Joaquin Phoenix on his Best Actor Golden Globe. I'm sure we can all agree this was well deserved. :clap2:

[LaLaLand]

This movie has had 11 BAFTA noms, the most noms for any movie going into this year's ceremony (OUATIH and The Irishman both have 10 each):

1. Best Film
2. Best Director
3. Best Actor in a Leading Role
4. Best Adapted Screenplay
5. Best Cinematography
6. Best Original Score
7. Best Sound
8. Best Production Design
9. Best Makeup and Hair
10. Best Editing
11. Best Casting

[Shaun]

Watched this last night. Thought it was very good, but I still prefer Ledger's and Hamill's takes on the character. I liked the idea of going with his laughter as an uncontrollable condition rather than an annoying trait but I actually found his waaaaay more annoying than the others I've watched :worry:

Anyway, it was good for an origin story but I've always considered characters like this to be the most engaging when they're in the throes of their crimes.

[LaLaLand]

Did anyone else notice this Batman “Easter egg” btw? :omgno:

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article22308817.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_Joker-Easter-Egg.jpg

So bloody clever!!

[Strictly Jake]

Saw this last week for the 1st time. Was really good!

[Vanessa]

Saw this last week for the 1st time. Was really good!

I just love Joaquin phoenix performance in this.
He was incredible!

[James]

Joker sequel to be a musical.


The Joker is back, and this time he’s bringing a friend.

Lady Gaga is in early talks to star opposite Joaquin Phoenix in director Todd Phillips’ sequel to Joker, the Oscar-winning, $1 billion-grossing, 2019 Warner Bros. hit based on the DC villain.

Phillips has been writing the script with Joker co-writer Scott Silver for some time and has finally shown it to the studio. Last week, Phillips revealed on social media the title of the new project — Joker: Folie à deux — referencing a medical term for an identical or similar mental disorder that affects two or more individuals, usually members of the same family. And while the same social media post showed Phoenix reading the script, the actor’s involvement is not exactly a fait accompli just yet — sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that Warners has yet to close a deal with the actor, with the two sides deep into it.

Enter Gaga.

Details on her character are being kept under wraps, but Joker is known for his on-off abusive relationship with Harley Quinn, his psychiatrist at the Arkham Asylum mental institution who falls in love with him and becomes his sidekick and partner in crime. It is unclear whether Phillips and company are using other DC characters or striking out on their own, as they did in many instances with the first movie.

If a deal makes, Gaga would play Quinn. However, this new Quinn exists in a different DC universe than Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn, who most recently appeared in 2021’s The Suicide Squad as well as several other films.

But wait, that’s not all: Sources say the sequel is also a musical.....


From https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-2-lady-gaga-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-in-musical-1235154135/

[Niamh.]

A musical? Hhhmmm

[bots]

they are having a laugh surely? :laugh:

[user104658]

A musical? Hhhmmm



they are having a laugh surely? :laugh:



I dunno, todays MRA’s are much more colourful than ye olde MRA’s of 2019. You have to keep up with the fan base.

[Niamh.]

I dunno, todays MRA’s are much more colourful than ye olde MRA’s of 2019. You have to keep up with the fan base.

:laugh:

That's very true

[Alf]

I think I'll probably give that a miss.

They should have just made a film called "Penguin" about the back story and rise of The Penguin.

[Calderyon]

Joker sequel to be a musical.



From https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-2-lady-gaga-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-in-musical-1235154135/

Sounds awful.

[Jordan.]

Musical sounds concerning on paper but I think they can make it work. I'm imagining the film to cut between cheery musical and a darker reality depending if you're supposed to be seeing it through the joker's mind or not.

[Jordan.]

Gaga and release date now confirmed

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[LaLaLand]

Musical sounds concerning on paper but I think they can make it work. I'm imagining the film to cut between cheery musical and a darker reality depending if you're supposed to be seeing it through the joker's mind or not.

Yeah. There’s crazy potential here and I really hope they deliver. Could in crazy good.

Exciting!

[LaLaLand]

First look at Phoenix and Gaga in Joker II:

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[Tony Montana]

Looks interesting.

[James]

New picture.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCOn5HAWkAA72UL?format=jpg&name=large

[Vanessa]

Can't wait to see this. He was so brilliant on the first one.

[user104658]

I do hope it's less incelly than the first one. It was an extremely well made film and Phoenix was excellent, but it was heavily blackpill-coded and they adopted it as their darling.

[LaLaLand]

First trailer for Joker: Folie a Deux:

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I think it looks fantastic.

[Ammi]

First trailer for Joker: Folie a Deux:

UD3ORIHAfes

I think it looks fantastic.

…a Bonnie and Clyde/vibe love story…?…two people who should have never met…?…Gaga looks like a great choice …:love:…

[Vanessa]

The first one was an acting masterclass from Joaquin Phoenix. Very well deserved Oscar winner. I really enjoyed the storytelling as well.

[arista]

First look at Phoenix and Gaga in Joker II:

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Also has Steve Coogan

https://www.radiotimes.com/movies/scifi/steve-coogan-joker-2-surprise-role-newsupdate/

[LaLaLand]

…a Bonnie and Clyde/vibe love story…?…two people who should have never met…?…Gaga looks like a great choice …:love:…

Basically!

In a change from the comic books/Harley Quinn character origin, it seems in this movie that Gaga will play Harley Quinn as a fellow inmate of the Arkham Asylum with Phoenix.

Originally in the comics, Harley was a clinical psychologist working FOR the Asylum who gets manipulated and "turned to the dark side" by Joker during their sessions, eventually falling in love with him.

The aesthetic of this movie looks stunning, the references to classic musicals (Singin' in the Rain for one) as well as modern ones (I see big La La Land inspo in certain scenes) is wonderful. Very pleasantly surprised after being somewhat dubious about the idea of a sequel, especially seeing as the first movie was really incredible as a stand-alone piece.

[LaLaLand]

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[user104658]

Could go one of two ways for me.

If they've played to their initial... erm... fanbase (the first Joker was/is the darling of incels and redpillers everywhere) and it leans further into that then I will absolutely loathe it. If however they've turned that on it's head and completely subverted it then it could be quite fun.

[Ammi]

Basically!

In a change from the comic books/Harley Quinn character origin, it seems in this movie that Gaga will play Harley Quinn as a fellow inmate of the Arkham Asylum with Phoenix.

Originally in the comics, Harley was a clinical psychologist working FOR the Asylum who gets manipulated and "turned to the dark side" by Joker during their sessions, eventually falling in love with him.

The aesthetic of this movie looks stunning, the references to classic musicals (Singin' in the Rain for one) as well as modern ones (I see big La La Land inspo in certain scenes) is wonderful. Very pleasantly surprised after being somewhat dubious about the idea of a sequel, especially seeing as the first movie was really incredible as a stand-alone piece.


…’we use music to make us whole, to balance the fractures in ourselves…’…already just from the trailer, such an iconic quote…:love:…as you say, we can see already what a huge reference and significance there will be with music and musicals…?…and that’s something that can be so brilliantly portrayed in using ‘joyful’ song choices as playing while there is real moments of darkness on the screen…as in extremely violent and brutal scenes, you know…while something very light and flimsy is playing…and the visuals begin to change the whole context of the songs etc being played…?…I love that light and darkness and I love that connection of importance there may be with music, which is so appropriate and perfect of it being GaGa as well….exciting…

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Vanessa]

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Ah this looks really good. I'm so excited!

[Crimson Dynamo]

its a superb trailer

[LaLaLand]

First trailer for Joker: Folie a Deux:

UD3ORIHAfes

I think it looks fantastic.

@ Vanessa and LT, that's just the teaser trailer..

This ^^ is the full trailer. Have a watch if you haven't already seen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

@ Vanessa and LT, that's just the teaser trailer..

This ^^ is the full trailer. Have a watch if you haven't already seen.

no what I posted was the full brilliant 2.25 trailer

[Alf]

October 4th release date. That's ages.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Best trailer

[James]

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[LaLaLand]

I’m very excited for this!

[Ray.]

The sight of the Joker hitting the judge with his gavel was

https://c.tenor.com/LLLJYVQJNVAAAAAC/tenor.gif

[bots]

looks good

[user104658]

"King Incel 2: Mummy Issues Boogaloo"

[LaLaLand]

To say Joker 2 has split opinion is a huge understatement.

Some people really hate it. :skull:

[Alf]

I'm going to see the first showing in Hull tomorrow morning.

[LaLaLand]

I'm going to see the first showing in Hull tomorrow morning.

Hope you enjoy! I’m going to try and go next week.

Report back your thoughts when you’ve been!

[LaLaLand]

Ouch-

This has now dropped to just 40% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 120 reviews. :omgno:

[Ray.]

Everything I've heard about the plot and especially the ending sounds like a major misstep.

[Alf]

I hadn't seen any trailers or read anything about it before seeing it.

It wasn't what I expected it to be.

I didn't know it was a musical. Although it is a musical.

Lady Gaga was awful, and her character basically did nothing.

The story didn't go anywhere and the ending was poor.

Disappointing

4.5/10

The music was good choices of song. Phoenix was fairly good in his role. But that's about the only plus points I can give it.

[user104658]

I've not seen it yet but given that the original Joker was the darling of MRA's and reddit sad-boys the world over, I really, really hope the sequel is one massive troll and they left the cinemas weeping and raging into their cumsocks. That would truly be a piece of art in itself. :flutter:

[Niamh.]

I've not seen it yet but given that the original Joker was the darling of MRA's and reddit sad-boys the world over, I really, really hope the sequel is one massive troll and they left the cinemas weeping and raging into their cumsocks. That would truly be a piece of art in itself. :flutter:Why would they want to waste money like that though, that doesn't make sense

[Nicky91]

would more love a similar direction they had went in Telltale Batman games


the Bruce Wayne/Batman & John Doe/Joker bromance thing




i also doubt GaGa is as good as Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn which is the GOAT Harley tbh, that one and the Harley from the Telltale Batman Enemy Within

[Vanessa]

I still want to see it because of Joaquin Phoenix. Who is such an amazing actor I could watch him in anything.

[Cherie]

watched the original on Friday night it was on ITV, loved it...

[Vanessa]

watched the original on Friday night it was on ITV, loved it...

I love that movie. He was fantastic in it.

[Niamh.]

watched the original on Friday night it was on ITV, loved it...The new one is a musical :worry:

[Ray.]

I still want to see it because of Joaquin Phoenix. Who is such an amazing actor I could watch him in anything.

I watched portions of this new one online (you can find it in its totality if you know where to look ;)), and still found myself pretty intrigued and engrossed by what I was seeing.

[Vanessa]

I watched portions of this new one online (you can find it in its totality if you know where to look ;)), and still found myself pretty intrigued and engrossed by what I was seeing.

I think I would enjoy it. I like musicals.

[Cherie]

The new one is a musical :worry:

will get son to get it on online dont think I want to spend money in the Cinema :laugh:

[Niamh.]

will get son to get it on online dont think I want to spend money in the Cinema [emoji23]I hate musicals, I think I'll skip it

[Alf]

watched the original on Friday night it was on ITV, loved it...Apparently that makes you a reddit sad boy. The soy latte drinking, fake femminist boys said that, not me.

[Cherie]

Apparently that makes you a reddit sad boy. The soy latte drinking, fake femminist boys said that, not me.

Meh, I watch movies for entertainment, I dont get involved in background noise around them and I dont know why anyone else would either :laugh: