View Full Version : So, that diary room scene with Cameron...
My icy heart melted. Bless him. That and the whole thing with Tomasz’s sleep were borderline emotional to watch.
BBDodge
23-09-2018, 10:49 PM
He obviously planned to do that for his journey.
I knew someone would accuse him of that. :facepalm:
BBDodge
23-09-2018, 11:00 PM
I knew someone would accuse him of that. :facepalm:
There's no way he would do that on TV without telling his parents first.
And a week ago he was listed in the gay housemates thread on this forum, though he wasn't confirmed. He's not surprising anyone.
There's no way he would do that on TV without telling his parents first.
And a week ago he was listed in the gay housemates thread on this forum, though he wasn't confirmed. He's not surprising anyone.
Uh yeah, that was me, and it was because he made a comment similar to what he said tonight. He was as 'confirmed' as he was when I posted it as to how confirmed he is now
And do what? Tell his parents his sexuality? He may only be eighteen but he's an adult, and adults don't need to tell their family anything... heck even if he was under 18 there wouldn't be anything wrong with him not telling his family
I'm not out to my family yet I'm out to everyone else. Why? Because at home it's not the 'environment' for it. Similar to Cameron, I first felt comfortable in my sexuality when I was around a few other gay people. My family are accepting and I have gay relatives but that doesn't change the fact I'm more comfortable about my sexuality in the presence of other LGBT+ folk
Also, even though he knows he's being televised, it's hard to contain your feelings 24/7. He's in an accepting environment every hour of everyday which he is seems very new to, it's no surprise he's coming to terms with personal things now (especially since 18 is still very young)
Like, we can theorise "this is his gameplan!" and assume that he is faking barely keeping himself together and his anxiety and his discomfort when LGBT is the topic at hand (but is conveniently not crying even though we know that'd win the public over) or, more plausibly, accept that Cameron's in a new, more accepting environment which is clearly benefiting him
(I feel bad discussing his identity but just my 2p)
Uh yeah, that was me, and it was because he made a comment similar to what he said tonight. He was as 'confirmed' as he was when I posted it as to how confirmed he is now
And do what? Tell his parents his sexuality? He may only be eighteen but he's an adult, and adults don't need to tell their family anything... heck even if he was under 18 there wouldn't be anything wrong with him not telling his family
I'm not out to my family yet I'm out to everyone else. Why? Because at home it's not the 'environment' for it. Similar to Cameron, I first felt comfortable in my sexuality when I was around a few other gay people. My family are accepting and I have gay relatives but that doesn't change the fact I'm more comfortable about my sexuality in the presence of other LGBT+ folk
Also, even though he knows he's being televised, it's hard to contain your feelings 24/7. He's in an accepting environment every hour of everyday which he is seems very new to, it's no surprise he's coming to terms with personal things now (especially since 18 is still very young)
Like, we can theorise "this is his gameplan!" and assume that he is faking barely keeping himself together and his anxiety and his discomfort when LGBT is the topic at hand (but is conveniently not crying even though we know that'd win the public over) or, more plausibly, accept that Cameron's in a new, more accepting environment which is clearly benefiting him
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GoldHeart
23-09-2018, 11:13 PM
What happened?? :conf:, has Cameron revealed he's gay ?.
What happened?? :conf:, has Cameron revealed he's gay ?.
it was implied in his DR session
GoldHeart
23-09-2018, 11:17 PM
it was implied in his DR session
I'm not convinced , if he's still talking in riddles maybe he's still confused?. I haven't watched it back yet though.
I'm not convinced , if he's still talking in riddles maybe he's still confused?. I haven't watched it back yet though.
I hope he comes out when hes ready and comfortable about it
Hes got lot of supportive friends in the house.
I honestly don't get why people have to be so cynical about it. Cameron is by no means stupid but I seriously don't think he's the sort of person that would come up with this narcissistic masterplan to win the public around by coming out.
I honestly don't get why people have to be so cynical about it. Cameron is by no means stupid but I seriously don't think he's the sort of person that would come up with this narcissistic masterplan to win the public around by coming out.
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the theorising is just getting ridiculous
GoldHeart
23-09-2018, 11:26 PM
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the theorising is just getting ridiculous
It would be hilarious if he left the BB house and pulled off his mask and revealed NASTY NICK :joker: . It was him all along it would be like a Scooby Doo mystery :hehe: .
muchadoaboutnothing
23-09-2018, 11:36 PM
I didn't understand what he was saying in the DR, it was all confusing
Firewire
23-09-2018, 11:49 PM
It's very important representation that I don't think we've had before. It might help a lot of people, it certainly touched me.
Mystic Mock
23-09-2018, 11:54 PM
What happened?? :conf:, has Cameron revealed he's gay ?.
He implied it imo.
rusticgal
23-09-2018, 11:56 PM
He is a bit of a lost soul..
GoldHeart
24-09-2018, 01:31 AM
He is a bit of a lost soul..
He's so young maybe he's still confused , my god i've never seen such a conversation full of riddles , he was so kyripic it was like he was talking in morse code :conf: !!! . I think he's too aware and worried about how he's being perceived .
But tbh that's fair enough he doesn't need to talk about those things :shrug:. I also think he's a very private reserved person when it comes to sex and sexuality . Clearly he's also worried about his family . I'm still wondering if he's asexual or curious? . Who knows and who cares he's still a young person and despite his academic background he still has alot to learn and he's lacking in life experience .
....awwww it was heartbreaking...:sad:...and especially as such a contrast to Cian’s story of putting on some of his mum’s mascara and going into the swimming pool, so it had all run down his face...and then his dad just asking..’are you gay’..and him saying yep dad...poor Cameron..:sad:...
JerseyWins
24-09-2018, 05:42 AM
Hmm just watched the episode and I didn't catch this. Must've not been paying enough attention or it was subtle enough where I didn't notice this :think:
My icy heart melted. Bless him. That and the whole thing with Tomasz’s sleep were borderline emotional to watch.
Thomas's looking like a giant blueberry blancmange in his pjs had me in tears.
Funny, I read the diary room thing completely differently.
From his youtube videos, he held some pretty vocal views around womens equality. I thought he was being careful not to vocalise them until the time was right :shrug:
GoldHeart
24-09-2018, 07:15 AM
Funny, I read the diary room thing completely differently.
From his youtube videos, he held some pretty vocal views around womens equality. I thought he was being careful not to vocalise them until the time was right :shrug:
Obviously there's more to cameron than he's letting on. I'm not entirely convinced about the whole gay thing . But bare in mind his parents might not watch his youtube channel,whereas BB they will as he's on TV . I think he's very aware of that .
Funny, I read the diary room thing completely differently.
From his youtube videos, he held some pretty vocal views around womens equality. I thought he was being careful not to vocalise them until the time was right :shrug:
...but why would those views be a big thing about him which he hadn’t yet discussed with family and close friends...that wouldn’t kind of make sense Bots...
GoldHeart
24-09-2018, 07:19 AM
...but why would those views be a big thing about him which he hadn’t yet discussed with family and close friends...that wouldn’t kind of make sense Bots...
It could be anything , things like that can be interpreted in different ways and he spoke in riddles.
Maybe he's from a strict traditional background , but that doesn't necessarily mean he's stuck in the closet .
...but why would those views be a big thing about him which he hadn’t yet discussed with family and close friends...that wouldn’t kind of make sense Bots...
my first thought, wasn't that he is gay and wants to come out tbh.
I can think of much better ways of handling that situation than doing it on a TV program.
Simpy put, I took from it that he was finding his feet in the house, getting comfortable with his housemates, before putting some of his more "controversial" thoughts out there. He is a youtuber after all, that's what he does. That's what i thought he was referring to as he hasn't mentioned it yet in the house to my knowledge.
Elliot
24-09-2018, 07:44 AM
my first thought, wasn't that he is gay and wants to come out tbh.
I can think of much better ways of handling that situation than doing it on a TV program.
Simpy put, I took from it that he was finding his feet in the house, getting comfortable with his housemates, before putting some of his more "controversial" thoughts out there. He is a youtuber after all, that's what he does. That's what i thought he was referring to as he hasn't mentioned it yet in the house to my knowledge.
Those videos are like two years old iirc. On his active channel all he posts is football, I doubt he gives any pieces of **** about women’s equality or whatever
Elliot
24-09-2018, 07:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrFifaCam
His active channel
Headie
24-09-2018, 07:56 AM
I've always thought it would be an easy win for someone to come out on Big Brother - after seeing how invested the public got in the journeys of Nadia/Luke A. I'm surprised it's never been done before.
Wizard.
24-09-2018, 07:58 AM
I must have missed it?
Uh yeah, that was me, and it was because he made a comment similar to what he said tonight. He was as 'confirmed' as he was when I posted it as to how confirmed he is now
And do what? Tell his parents his sexuality? He may only be eighteen but he's an adult, and adults don't need to tell their family anything... heck even if he was under 18 there wouldn't be anything wrong with him not telling his family
I'm not out to my family yet I'm out to everyone else. Why? Because at home it's not the 'environment' for it. Similar to Cameron, I first felt comfortable in my sexuality when I was around a few other gay people. My family are accepting and I have gay relatives but that doesn't change the fact I'm more comfortable about my sexuality in the presence of other LGBT+ folk
Also, even though he knows he's being televised, it's hard to contain your feelings 24/7. He's in an accepting environment every hour of everyday which he is seems very new to, it's no surprise he's coming to terms with personal things now (especially since 18 is still very young)
Like, we can theorise "this is his gameplan!" and assume that he is faking barely keeping himself together and his anxiety and his discomfort when LGBT is the topic at hand (but is conveniently not crying even though we know that'd win the public over) or, more plausibly, accept that Cameron's in a new, more accepting environment which is clearly benefiting him
..Lilbro...:hug:...what you say is so interesting in terms of feeling comfortable around the LGBT community but not coming out to your family yet...even though you feel they are a very accepting..I wonder if that’s why Cameron seemed to be drawn to Tomasz and his friendship from the beginning..?...and also he often likes to be part of Cian and Zoe’s conversations and chats...but they’re obviously really close as a ‘twosome’ so he probably finds it hard to break into that dynamic as well...he’s more hovering and listening, you know..?...
...although he laughed at the pool conversation with Isaac and Lewis G...that ‘ladz’ conversation..that did have an ‘awkward’ vibe from him as well for me..as though he wasn’t really feeling it but trying to run with the ‘ladz’ humour and bantz...
..yeah the whole DR thing was quite heartbreaking to watch.. :sad:...
joeysteele
24-09-2018, 09:41 AM
Uh yeah, that was me, and it was because he made a comment similar to what he said tonight. He was as 'confirmed' as he was when I posted it as to how confirmed he is now
And do what? Tell his parents his sexuality? He may only be eighteen but he's an adult, and adults don't need to tell their family anything... heck even if he was under 18 there wouldn't be anything wrong with him not telling his family
I'm not out to my family yet I'm out to everyone else. Why? Because at home it's not the 'environment' for it. Similar to Cameron, I first felt comfortable in my sexuality when I was around a few other gay people. My family are accepting and I have gay relatives but that doesn't change the fact I'm more comfortable about my sexuality in the presence of other LGBT+ folk
Also, even though he knows he's being televised, it's hard to contain your feelings 24/7. He's in an accepting environment every hour of everyday which he is seems very new to, it's no surprise he's coming to terms with personal things now (especially since 18 is still very young)
Like, we can theorise "this is his gameplan!" and assume that he is faking barely keeping himself together and his anxiety and his discomfort when LGBT is the topic at hand (but is conveniently not crying even though we know that'd win the public over) or, more plausibly, accept that Cameron's in a new, more accepting environment which is clearly benefiting him
Excellent post full of valid points too.
Very thought provoking.
Garfie
24-09-2018, 10:08 AM
Uh yeah, that was me, and it was because he made a comment similar to what he said tonight. He was as 'confirmed' as he was when I posted it as to how confirmed he is now
And do what? Tell his parents his sexuality? He may only be eighteen but he's an adult, and adults don't need to tell their family anything... heck even if he was under 18 there wouldn't be anything wrong with him not telling his family
I'm not out to my family yet I'm out to everyone else. Why? Because at home it's not the 'environment' for it. Similar to Cameron, I first felt comfortable in my sexuality when I was around a few other gay people. My family are accepting and I have gay relatives but that doesn't change the fact I'm more comfortable about my sexuality in the presence of other LGBT+ folk
Also, even though he knows he's being televised, it's hard to contain your feelings 24/7. He's in an accepting environment every hour of everyday which he is seems very new to, it's no surprise he's coming to terms with personal things now (especially since 18 is still very young)
Like, we can theorise "this is his gameplan!" and assume that he is faking barely keeping himself together and his anxiety and his discomfort when LGBT is the topic at hand (but is conveniently not crying even though we know that'd win the public over) or, more plausibly, accept that Cameron's in a new, more accepting environment which is clearly benefiting him
I agree with everything you've said here. It might be that he's still uncertain about his own identity, or has been in denial about it, for fear about how it would be received by his friends, family, etc, in real life.
Although televised, I would imagine that being inside the BB house feels somewhat as if he is cocooned in a safe place in which to explore his sexual orientation, and that other housemates with similar experiences make him feel that it's more acceptable to be 'different' than people do in his real life.
I think he is being genuine.
y.winter
24-09-2018, 10:16 AM
His DR session was quite heartwarming, and I was left under the same impression as well (+other bits of all the sex talk in the house).
He's 18, which is very young and it's OK - and if he is, he can take his time as much as he wants.
I'm happy he is surrounded by such an enabling companion in the house, especially glad Cian is there for that matter. If it helps "soften" the edges with coming to terms with his identity and his feelings (be it gay/straight/confident) - it's welcome.
Garfie
24-09-2018, 10:18 AM
His DR session was quite heartwarming, and I was left under the same impression as well (+other bits of all the sex talk in the house).
He's 18, which is very young and it's OK - and if he is, he can take his time as much as he wants.
I'm happy he is surrounded by such an enabling companion in the house, especially glad Cian is there for that matter. If it helps "soften" the edges with coming to terms with his identity and his feelings (be it gay/straight/confident) - it's welcome.
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Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2018, 10:19 AM
yes he is thinking about coming out as a gay man
its not a "move" for the show or anything
Robodog
24-09-2018, 10:21 AM
I've always thought it would be an easy win for someone to come out on Big Brother - after seeing how invested the public got in the journeys of Nadia/Luke A. I'm surprised it's never been done before.
That's exactly what he's doing. The whole thing feels SO contrived and un-natural. He is a BB superfan, he knows exactly how this works.
He is deliberately drip-feeding his coming out story, bit-by-bit, making it a slow-burn.
So obvious.
Luke A was the real deal: he put it out there to his HMs right from the start and made no more of it. No milking, no manipulation: that's why he won and Cameron won't.
y.winter
24-09-2018, 10:30 AM
Wow. Some people are really clueless as to how it feels to come out, thinking it's all one grand cynical scheme.
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2018, 10:40 AM
does the ginger guy not know he is a gay though?
Robodog
24-09-2018, 11:25 AM
Wow. Some people are really clueless as to how it feels to come out, thinking it's all one grand cynical scheme.
There's more than one way to come out
Mostly it's done with subtlety, authenticity and heart (eg - to close friends/family etc)
Sometimes it gets used for another pre-planned purpose (such as trying to win a TV game show)
Cherie
24-09-2018, 11:26 AM
Not seen this yet, but on launch it looked like he had a great relationship with his Dad....
Firewire
24-09-2018, 11:44 AM
Not seen this yet, but on launch it looked like he had a great relationship with his Dad....
Which sometimes makes it harder, because he probably feels like he is disappointing his dad or worried that it might change their whole dynamic
And even if he has been told he is loved and supported, he may still have that doubt which can be quite powerful
armand.kay
24-09-2018, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure if I 100% buy it just because of how frank he was about it but it's really not my place to say
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2018, 11:56 AM
Which sometimes makes it harder, because he probably feels like he is disappointing his dad or worried that it might change their whole dynamic
And even if he has been told he is loved and supported, he may still have that doubt which can be quite powerful
would his mum at least not have sussed by 18?
Jase.
24-09-2018, 11:59 AM
I'm not sure if I 100% buy it just because of how frank he was about it but it's really not my place to say
Agreed tbh.
y.winter
24-09-2018, 12:05 PM
There's more than one way to come out
Mostly it's done with subtlety, authenticity and heart (eg - to close friends/family etc)
Sometimes it gets used for another pre-planned purpose (such as trying to win a TV game show)
Maybe when you're already out to your family and then it's a tool to play a game.
Not when you're not out... It's hardly something to play with. I'm not sure if you've experienced it yourself.
Babayaro.
24-09-2018, 02:55 PM
That's exactly what he's doing. The whole thing feels SO contrived and un-natural. He is a BB superfan, he knows exactly how this works.
He is deliberately drip-feeding his coming out story, bit-by-bit, making it a slow-burn.
So obvious.
Luke A was the real deal: he put it out there to his HMs right from the start and made no more of it. No milking, no manipulation: that's why he won and Cameron won't.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop.
RileyH
24-09-2018, 03:31 PM
Put me to bloody sleep
..Lilbro...:hug:...what you say is so interesting in terms of feeling comfortable around the LGBT community but not coming out to your family yet...even though you feel they are a very accepting..I wonder if that’s why Cameron seemed to be drawn to Tomasz and his friendship from the beginning..?...and also he often likes to be part of Cian and Zoe’s conversations and chats...but they’re obviously really close as a ‘twosome’ so he probably finds it hard to break into that dynamic as well...he’s more hovering and listening, you know..?...
...although he laughed at the pool conversation with Isaac and Lewis G...that ‘ladz’ conversation..that did have an ‘awkward’ vibe from him as well for me..as though he wasn’t really feeling it but trying to run with the ‘ladz’ humour and bantz...
..yeah the whole DR thing was quite heartbreaking to watch.. :sad:...
Ammi :love: :hug: thank you
Absolutely, I feel like he's definitely an outsider trying to find a place where he fits in :(
They better not bum him on telly.
ThatsMyUserName
25-09-2018, 03:36 PM
To me it really sounded like he wants to admit his sexuality. But I don't think it should have been shown. He didn't outright say, "I'm gay". But all the words sounded like that was what he was saying.
So to me it looks like the producers have outed him as a gay man. He's not comfortable saying it yet. However, BB were quite happy to show the Diary Room conversation. That can't be undone, yet he's not ready for it.
In my view that Dairy Room conversation should NOT have been shown.
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