Snowflake Millennial Alert: University of Manchester Students' Union bans clapping

[Crimson Dynamo]

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A student union has ditched clapping, whooping and cheering in favour of "jazz hands".

Reps at the University of Manchester voted to replace noisy appreciation with the British Sign Language (BSL) equivalent - a wave of both hands.

Union officer Sara Khan said traditional clapping can cause issues for students with autism, sensory issues or deafness.


Ms Khan, the union's liberation and access officer, (:spin:) who proposed the motion at a recent meeting said clapping can "discourage" some from attending democratic events.

So-called "jazz hands", she said, encouraged an "environment of respect".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-45717841

[JoshBB]

I honestly think this is so stupid.. there are SO many bigger issues, and I don't see evidence that people are even offended by clapping?? It seems like one/two people (nominally) have this specific trigger and it's been made out to be some huge thing that all autistic people are sensitive to it.. tf

[Jessica.]

How is there anything wrong with that? Clapping can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially on a large scale. I think it's good.

[Livia]

What the hell are these people going to do when they eventually get into work?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How is there anything wrong with that? Clapping can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially on a large scale. I think it's good.

so we should ban it at football matches and concerts too?

weddings, awards ceremonies etc?

[Jessica.]

Did any of you even read the post? Is it so horrible for many to make a small change in order to benefit the few who need it? Nobody misses out on anything.

[JoshBB]

How is there anything wrong with that? Clapping can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially on a large scale. I think it's good.

Where??? who????

i'm all down for inclusivity but I strongly doubt there is a significant number of people who are genuinely offended/upset in any way by clapping

[Crimson Dynamo]

What the hell are these people going to do when they eventually get into work?

thankfully they are doing media studies sociology and history so there is little chance of that

[Scarlett.]

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

[Jessica.]

so we should ban it at football matches and concerts too?

weddings, awards ceremonies etc?

It's common for people to bring noise suppressing earmuffs to events like that because people are generally out of their minds and the speakers at concerts can be harmful to hearing. People who need them would feel out of place wearing earmuffs at university.

[Jessica.]

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

He prefers to ignore a lot of things. Though, I am a millennial and I support the move. :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

what do you think about the ban?

[Oliver_W]

Pathetic. A similar move was mocked to buggery back in like 2015.

It's common for people to bring noise suppressing earmuffs to events like that because people are generally out of their minds and the speakers at concerts can be harmful to hearing. People who need them would feel out of place wearing earmuffs at university.
Whereas you see earmuffs all the time at concerts and sports events!

[Jessica.]

Where??? who????

i'm all down for inclusivity but I strongly doubt there is a significant number of people who are genuinely offended/upset in any way by clapping

People with ASD, hearing impaired people, people who suffer from anxiety, the list goes on. Nobody is offended or upset by it, it physically makes them uncomfortable or even hurts them.

[Jessica.]

Pathetic. A similar move was mocked to buggery back in like 2015.


Whereas you see earmuffs all the time at concerts and sports events!

You've never seen someone wearing something like this at an event?
https://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Headphones1-624x342.jpg

[Scarlett.]

what do you think about the ban?

I can see the logic behind it, but it just seems kind of silly, I mean, you can ban clapping in university sure, but it's gonna happen literally everywhere else anyway.

[mxhunter]

I sympathise with the blind students who can now neither see nor hear their peers' celebrations

[Oliver_W]

People with ASD, hearing impaired people, people who suffer from anxiety, the list goes on. Nobody is offended or upset by it, it physically makes them uncomfortable or even hurts them.

They're very welcome to take their earmuffs to whatever event they like. In their shoes I'd feel worse if I made the university accommodate such things than if I sorted it for myself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You've never seen someone wearing something like this at an event?
https://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Headphones1-624x342.jpg

yes on children like him that should not be there in the first place


:skull:

[Oliver_W]

You've never seen someone wearing something like this at an event?
https://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Headphones1-624x342.jpg

Sure, but they're not a hugely common sight among adults ... "adults"

[Livia]

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.
Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

My question is, when they get out of uni and have to land in the real world, are they going to expect the whole of society to cease applauding in case two or three people are disturbed by it?

[Jessica.]

yes on children like him that should not be there in the first place


:skull:

Sure, but they're not a hugely common sight among adults ... "adults"

Well I'm sure many people would feel welcome to wear ear protection at events with people like both of you around. :rolleyes:

[JoshBB]

Imagine if you forget & clap out of habit.. uni staff gonna come remove you from the venue?

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[Jessica.]

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

My question is, when they get out of uni and have to land in the real world, are they going to expect the whole of society to cease applauding in case two or three people are disturbed by it?

People born in 1998 are not Millennials either. Also plenty of 17 year olds go to university. :conf:

[Scarlett.]

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

My question is, when they get out of uni and have to land in the real world, are they going to expect the whole of society to cease applauding in case two or three people are disturbed by it?

A lot people see Gen Z as late 90s (such as 1997-????), meaning the oldest Gen Z people will be 21 now. Millennials are seen as 22-36, which is why its so ridiculous that we're still being called out for crap.

[Jessica.]

Last line of the "news" article btw.

"We should all aspire to improve our public spaces so that all members of society feel comfortable and able to contribute fully."

[Livia]

People born in 1998 are not Millennials either. Also plenty of 17 year olds go to university. :conf:

Everybody has a different interpretation of what a millennial is. And I can say with my hand on my heart, no one I started uni with was under 18. Mind you, you did have to have good grades back then.

[Livia]

Last line of the "news" article btw.

"We should all aspire to improve our public spaces so that all members of society feel comfortable and able to contribute fully."

Good luck with getting that sorted when half the buildings in the country open to the public are not wheelchair accessible.

[JoshBB]

Last line of the "news" article btw.

"We should all aspire to improve our public spaces so that all members of society feel comfortable and able to contribute fully."

I agree with that, but the focus on clapping just feels like weird priorities and an overemphasis on who it actually harms

[Livia]

A lot people see Gen Z as late 90s (such as 1997-????), meaning the oldest Gen Z people will be 21 now. Millennials are seen as 22-36, which is why its so ridiculous that we're still being called out for crap.

What's ridiculous are all the new pigeon holes we try to fit people in.

I'm in my 30s now. When I was a young person, it was young people being called out. It's just a different label.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Last line of the "news" article btw.

"We should all aspire to improve our public spaces so that all members of society feel comfortable and able to contribute fully."


:waves jazz hands2:

[Oliver_W]

Let's all take a moment to apologise to Dia, labels attached to people based on age are obviously very important to her, and we must remember to get them exactly right 100% of the time.

[smudgie]

Strewth:nono:

[Tom4784]

Just another pointless story to give older people an excuse to grumble about 'millenials'.

It's a pointless change to do but it's even more pointless to react so badly to it, who are the actual snowflakes really? The people who have tried to implement this change or the people reacting to it by getting upset?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Strewth:nono:

Can you wave that finger a bit slower as its creating a draught and I dont want a cold

[MB.]

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

Everybody has a different interpretation of what a millennial is.

In which case, you clearly haven't a clue what a millennial is and isn't

(the most accurate definition is anyone born between 1981 and 1996. 37-year olds are millennials. Freshers, or at least 18/19-year old ones, aren't. People with an intrinsic resentment for anybody younger than them should probably ought to brush up on their terminology before another generation comes along, although they'll probably still call that lot millennials too)

[smudgie]

Can you wave that finger a bit slower as its creating a draught and I dont want a cold

Ooops, just as well I didn’t do the jazz hand then:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just another pointless story to give older people an excuse to grumble about 'millenials'.

It's a pointless change to do but it's even more pointless to react so badly to it, who are the actual snowflakes really? The people who have tried to implement this change or the people reacting to it by getting upset?

So its the fault of older people if they point out that young people sometimes make themselves look like ar$es?



lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

In which case, you clearly haven't a clue what a millennial is and isn't

(the most accurate definition is anyone born between 1981 and 1996. 37-year olds are millennials. Freshers, or at least 18/19-year old ones, aren't. People with an intrinsic resentment for anybody younger than them should probably ought to brush up on their terminology before another generation comes along, although they'll probably still call that lot millennials too)

what do you think about the ban, the subject of the thread?

[Tom4784]

So its the fault of older people if they point out that young people sometimes make themselves look like ar$es?



lol

It's a non-story that's only been made a story so that older people can go 'Grrr! Millenials!'

That's the long and short of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a non-story that's only been made a story so that older people can go 'Grrr! Millenials!'

That's the long and short of it.

Its been picked up by just about all media outlets :shrug:


dont ever get a job in sales and marketing

[Crimson Dynamo]

MB why are you answering for Dezzy in post 41 and why cant i quote that post of yours????


:suspect:

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh that post is deleted

what is going on?

[MB.]

MB why are you answering for Dezzy in post 41 and why cant i quote that post of yours????


:suspect:

Because I deleted it when I realised I'd quoted the wrong post :laugh:

In short, I was saying that if you do wish to grumble about "young people" and "millennials" doing completely non-newsworthy things like this as often as you do, you may as well learn that the two aren't interchangeable synonyms, because it'd be like me calling you Irish whenever somebody Scottish makes the news for.... I don't know, burning their toast or whatever

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because I deleted it when I realised I'd quoted the wrong post :laugh:

In short, I was saying that if you do wish to grumble about "young people" and "millennials" doing completely non-newsworthy things like this as often as you do, you may as well learn that the two aren't interchangeable synonyms, because it'd be like me calling you Irish whenever somebody Scottish makes the news for.... I don't know, burning their toast or whatever

Non Newsworthy?

Sorry but if you think that this story is non newsworthy then you have no grasp of the word newsworthy

that isnt me dragging you, that is genuine advice

[MB.]

Also, Jeremy Vine being all "well young people certainly weren't scared of loud noises during the Somme!!!!" about this makes me laugh that he's still considered to have any merit as a broadcaster

[Tom4784]

Its been picked up by just about all media outlets :shrug:


dont ever get a job in sales and marketing

Because older people are easy to cater to when it comes to media consumption, see: every tabloid ever.

Posting about evil millenials or lefties trying to sabotage brexit and you'll get plenty of clicks from an older crowd that looks for reasons to be outraged. It's the same crowd the consistently spreads the whole 'muslims are trying to kill Christmas' bull**** fake news articles that get shared every year.

Easy clicks from an easy audience.

[Jessica.]

Because older people are easy to cater to when it comes to media consumption, see: every tabloid ever.

Posting about evil millenials or lefties trying to sabotage brexit and you'll get plenty of clicks from an older crowd that looks for reasons to be outraged. It's the same crowd the consistently spreads the whole 'muslims are trying to kill Christmas' bull**** fake news articles that get shared every year.

Easy clicks from an easy audience.

I couldn't have said it better myself. You get the point across perfectly.

[MB.]

Non Newsworthy?

Sorry but if you think that this story is non newsworthy then you have no grasp of the word newsworthy

that isnt me dragging you, that is genuine advice

I mean, there are important world events, wars, natural disasters and political crises unfolding as we speak, and then there are a bunch of students doing jazz hands instead of clapping to help deaf people feel a bit less left out

I wonder which they'll use to headline the 6 o'clock news

[MB.]

Because older people are easy to cater to when it comes to media consumption, see: every tabloid ever.

Posting about evil millenials or lefties trying to sabotage brexit and you'll get plenty of clicks from an older crowd that looks for reasons to be outraged. It's the same crowd the consistently spreads the whole 'muslims are trying to kill Christmas' bull**** fake news articles that get shared every year.

Easy clicks from an easy audience.

I feel like I just accidentally stepped into a Daily Express office

[Scarlett.]

Let's all take a moment to apologise to Dia, labels attached to people based on age are obviously very important to her, and we must remember to get them exactly right 100% of the time.

Was just making the point that its silly calling out millennials on everything, especially when the majority of us are over 25 now lol

[Elliot]

A scream imagine being punished for clapping :skull: what a time to be alive

[MB.]

A scream imagine being punished for clapping :skull: what a time to be alive

...where in the story does it say that?

[Withano]

Why do you (as in anybody) care though? THE SNOWFLAKES TOOK CLAPPING AWAY exclaims extremely fragile and evidently easily upset people. Oops.

[Withano]

Just another pointless story to give older people an excuse to grumble about 'millenials'.

It's a pointless change to do but it's even more pointless to react so badly to it, who are the actual snowflakes really? The people who have tried to implement this change or the people reacting to it by getting upset?

Oops.

[Maru]

University is a special place.

[Redway]

Not even God knows how these kids will do in the real world.

[montblanc]

sNoWfLaKe MiLLeNtiAL aLeRt

was that necessary

[Greg!]

no one I started uni with was under 18. Mind you, you did have to have good grades back then.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

sNoWfLaKe MiLLeNtiAL aLeRt

was that necessary

i was to me who made the thread

now what do you think about the ban?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oops.

what do you think about the topic of the thread?

[Withano]

what do you think about the topic of the thread?

Idc about it. It affects me in no way whatsoever. I can’t imagine it will affect many people at all whatsoever based on the way the article only refers to ‘democratic events’ (its probably only the ****ty little union debates etc)... but then I entered this thread and saw that I was wrong and it actually affects lots of people that shouldnt be affected in any way whatsoever.

Weird world.

The bigger story to me is the snowflakes who are acting snowflakey because people they deem to be snowflakes are doing something that doesnt affect them., but still upsets them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Idc about it. It affects me in no way whatsoever. I can’t imagine it will affect many people at all whatsoever based on the way the article only refers to ‘democratic events’ (its probably only the ****ty little union debates etc)... but then I entered this thread and saw that I was wrong and it actually affects lots of people that shouldnt be affected in any way whatsoever.

Weird world.

The bigger story to me is the snowflakes who are acting snowflakey because people they deem to be snowflakes are doing something that doesnt affect them., but still upsets them.


Thanks. Its interesting your response and that of some others who chose to avoid the topic and focus on everything but!

:think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

im not having a go and appreciate your reply

[Withano]

Thanks. Its interesting your response and that of some others who chose to avoid the topic and focus on everything but!

:think:

Well yes, but as i said

“Idc about it. It affects me in no way whatsoever.”

Sometimes a thread leads to different side discussions which Im open to discussing, but the main topic of the thread just doesnt interest me. It just doesnt affect me, nor anybody else that i will ever know.

[MB.]

It just doesnt affect me, nor anybody else that i will ever know.

But what about if you're ever on the University of Manchester campus and, while there, happen to perform some kind of extraordinary act, perhaps one worthy of applause? What will happen then? Will you just stand there while people shake their hands from side-to-side at you, like some kind of pansy? Or will you rise up and fight back against the handclap Nazis? Well? Hmm? Hmm?

Thought so :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well yes, but as i said

“Idc about it. It affects me in no way whatsoever.”

Sometimes a thread leads to different side discussions which Im open to discussing, but the main topic of the thread just doesnt interest me. It just doesnt affect me, nor anybody else that i will ever know.

But pandering to the few on no evidence but a misguided righteous feeling to justify a job-title does affect us all

and will affect you going forward

hence my thread

[Elliot]

But what about if you're ever on the University of Manchester campus and, while there, happen to perform some kind of extraordinary act, perhaps one worthy of applause? What will happen then? Will you just stand there while people shake their hands from side-to-side at you, like some kind of pansy? Or will you rise up and fight back against the handclap Nazis? Well? Hmm? Hmm?

Thought so :fist:

:joker:

[Withano]

But pandering to the few on no evidence but a misguided righteous feeling to justify a job-title does affect us all

and will affect you going forward

hence my thread

No, someone deciding waves are more appropriate than claps at democratic events inside a university does not affect you, me, or anybody else, including those involved in said democratic events.

Lets call a spade a spade, this thread is just an excuse to whinge.

[Ant.]

I can't even use "the topics and issues are too serious for my liking" as an excuse to avoid Serious Debates anymore given the fact that, on this thread, there's 3 pages of some people whinging that people have decided they should wave instead of clap

[Tom4784]

But what about if you're ever on the University of Manchester campus and, while there, happen to perform some kind of extraordinary act, perhaps one worthy of applause? What will happen then? Will you just stand there while people shake their hands from side-to-side at you, like some kind of pansy? Or will you rise up and fight back against the handclap Nazis? Well? Hmm? Hmm?

Thought so :fist:

I'd live for that situation, I'm formerly deaf so someone who gets offended on behalf of me never gets the reaction they want from me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, someone deciding waves are more appropriate than claps at democratic events inside a university does not affect you, me, or anybody else, including those involved in said democratic events.

Lets call a spade a spade, this thread is just an excuse to whinge.

If you want to call a spade a spade it's a thread about virtue signalling

But you knew that I'd guess

[armand.kay]

why are people in here making it seem like an issue of sensitive millennials vs the world when the idea is just to make the university more accommodating for autistic students.

[Oliver_W]

I can't even use "the topics and issues are too serious for my liking" as an excuse to avoid Serious Debates anymore given the fact that, on this thread, there's 3 pages of some people whinging that people have decided they should wave instead of clap

To be fair, about half of that is people whinging about said whinging.

[AnnieK]

No-one will ever take the clap out of Manchester :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No-one will ever take the clap out of Manchester :hehe:

I blame Jose

[AnnieK]

I blame Jose

Me too

[user104658]

Indeed; the vast majority of current University students are not Millenials.

So... there's that.

[Ant.]

To be fair, about half of that is people whinging about said whinging.

I mean, I just went back and tried to count the posts 'whinging' about the 'whinging' and I could count at most ten (think I may have slipped in some posts in which people who thinks it's a good idea to be inclusive). And given the fact that that my post was post #70 (fun fact: half of 70 is 35, not 10), even if we discount those people 'whinging about whinging', there would still be around 60 posts, which is three pages assuming you have the settings set so threads display 25 posts per page as I do :hugesmile:)

[user104658]

I mean, I just went back and tried to count the posts 'whinging' about the 'whinging' and I could count at most ten (think I may have slipped in some posts in which people who thinks it's a good idea to be inclusive). And given the fact that that my post was post #70 (fun fact: half of 70 is 35, not 10), even if we discount those people 'whinging about whinging', there would still be around 60 posts, which is three pages assuming you have the settings set so threads display 25 posts per page as I do :hugesmile:)

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[Northern Monkey]

They’ve taken this from the American SJW’s.
I saw that jazz hands thing a couple of years ago on a YT vid at some American uni.
I didn’t think Brits would be mental enough to ever copy it.
It’s just ridiculous isn’t it.Treating young adults like kids,Infact even my 3y/o’s nursery lets them clap.
I thought uni was supposed to prepare people to enter the real world with emotive topics,uncomfortable debates and challenging opinions.Not shelter them from clapping ffs.
People in real life don’t generally moderate their behaviour so as not to upset your sensitivities.Uni’s should’nt be shielding people from life.

[Livia]

In which case, you clearly haven't a clue what a millennial is and isn't

(the most accurate definition is anyone born between 1981 and 1996. 37-year olds are millennials. Freshers, or at least 18/19-year old ones, aren't. People with an intrinsic resentment for anybody younger than them should probably ought to brush up on their terminology before another generation comes along, although they'll probably still call that lot millennials too)

I hope the emboldened bit doesn't refer to me. After all, this thread was clearly moderated and if it does refer to me, then the post would have been removed for baiting, wouldn't it? If it doesn't refer to me, then it was a very poor choice of words.

I was born in May 1980. I'm apparently seven months too old to be a millennial. Do you know why I didn't know that? Because it doesn't matter.

Young people have always looked on the older generation as dinosaurs, and the older generation have looked at young people as pretty dumb. Probably because you have less experience when you're young. But where's the cut off point? I mean, there are people on this thread bemoaning the "older generation" who are clearly hurtling towards being that very thing. No one's young forever, the lucky among us grow up and grow older. In twenty years I guarantee there will be a whole new batch of young people believing the older generation ruined the world and that their generation is special.

For clarity, I responded to a thread that had 'millennial' in the title. I don't use the term in everyday life and I don't think I've used it on the forum before so it's strange that you would single me out in this way, but thanks for the rather pointed explanation of all the meaningless labels no one really uses in real life, I'm sure someone may have found it helpful.