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Crimson Dynamo · 02-10-2018, 04:15 PM

A student union has ditched clapping, whooping and cheering in favour of "jazz hands".

Reps at the University of Manchester voted to replace noisy appreciation with the British Sign Language (BSL) equivalent - a wave of both hands.

Union officer Sara Khan said traditional clapping can cause issues for students with autism, sensory issues or deafness.

Ms Khan, the union's liberation and access officer, (

) who proposed the motion at a recent meeting said clapping can "discourage" some from attending democratic events.

So-called "jazz hands", she said, encouraged an "environment of respect".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-45717841

JoshBB · 02-10-2018, 04:16 PM

I honestly think this is so stupid.. there are SO many bigger issues, and I don't see evidence that people are even offended by clapping?? It seems like one/two people (nominally) have this specific trigger and it's been made out to be some huge thing that all autistic people are sensitive to it.. tf

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:17 PM

How is there anything wrong with that? Clapping can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially on a large scale. I think it's good.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-10-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

How is there anything wrong with that? Clapping can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially on a large scale. I think it's good.

so we should ban it at football matches and concerts too?

weddings, awards ceremonies etc?

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:20 PM

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so we should ban it at football matches and concerts too?

weddings, awards ceremonies etc?

It's common for people to bring noise suppressing earmuffs to events like that because people are generally out of their minds and the speakers at concerts can be harmful to hearing. People who need them would feel out of place wearing earmuffs at university.

Oliver_W · 02-10-2018, 04:22 PM

Pathetic. A similar move was mocked to buggery back in like 2015.

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

It's common for people to bring noise suppressing earmuffs to events like that because people are generally out of their minds and the speakers at concerts can be harmful to hearing. People who need them would feel out of place wearing earmuffs at university.

Whereas you see earmuffs all the time at concerts and sports events!

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Pathetic. A similar move was mocked to buggery back in like 2015.

Whereas you see earmuffs all the time at concerts and sports events!

You've never seen someone wearing something like this at an event?

JoshBB · 02-10-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

How is there anything wrong with that? Clapping can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially on a large scale. I think it's good.

Where??? who????

i'm all down for inclusivity but I strongly doubt there is a significant number of people who are genuinely offended/upset in any way by clapping

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:22 PM

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Where??? who????

i'm all down for inclusivity but I strongly doubt there is a significant number of people who are genuinely offended/upset in any way by clapping

People with ASD, hearing impaired people, people who suffer from anxiety, the list goes on. Nobody is offended or upset by it, it physically makes them uncomfortable or even hurts them.

Oliver_W · 02-10-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

People with ASD, hearing impaired people, people who suffer from anxiety, the list goes on. Nobody is offended or upset by it, it physically makes them uncomfortable or even hurts them.

They're very welcome to take their earmuffs to whatever event they like. In their shoes I'd feel worse if I made the university accommodate such things than if I sorted it for myself.

Livia · 02-10-2018, 04:17 PM

What the hell are these people going to do when they eventually get into work?

Crimson Dynamo · 02-10-2018, 04:19 PM

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What the hell are these people going to do when they eventually get into work?

thankfully they are doing media studies sociology and history so there is little chance of that

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:19 PM

Did any of you even read the post? Is it so horrible for many to make a small change in order to benefit the few who need it? Nobody misses out on anything.

Scarlett. · 02-10-2018, 04:19 PM

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:21 PM

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You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

He prefers to ignore a lot of things. Though, I am a millennial and I support the move.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-10-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

what do you think about the ban?

Scarlett. · 02-10-2018, 04:24 PM

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what do you think about the ban?

I can see the logic behind it, but it just seems kind of silly, I mean, you can ban clapping in university sure, but it's gonna happen literally everywhere else anyway.

Livia · 02-10-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

You do realise that millennials are people who reached adulthood in the early 21st Century? Not people who were born shortly before or actually in the 21st Century, they're Gen Z.

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

My question is, when they get out of uni and have to land in the real world, are they going to expect the whole of society to cease applauding in case two or three people are disturbed by it?

Jessica. · 02-10-2018, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

My question is, when they get out of uni and have to land in the real world, are they going to expect the whole of society to cease applauding in case two or three people are disturbed by it?

People born in 1998 are not Millennials either. Also plenty of 17 year olds go to university.

Livia · 02-10-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica.

People born in 1998 are not Millennials either. Also plenty of 17 year olds go to university.

Everybody has a different interpretation of what a millennial is. And I can say with my hand on my heart, no one I started uni with was under 18. Mind you, you did have to have good grades back then.

MB. · 02-10-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

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Everybody has a different interpretation of what a millennial is.

In which case, you clearly haven't a clue what a millennial is and isn't

(the most accurate definition is anyone born between 1981 and 1996. 37-year olds are millennials. Freshers, or at least 18/19-year old ones, aren't. People with an intrinsic resentment for anybody younger than them should probably ought to brush up on their terminology before another generation comes along, although they'll probably still call that lot millennials too)

Scarlett. · 02-10-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Unless you're a genius, you're at least 18 before you go to uni. And the people this is aimed at are people at university. So yes, they are millennials.

My question is, when they get out of uni and have to land in the real world, are they going to expect the whole of society to cease applauding in case two or three people are disturbed by it?

A lot people see Gen Z as late 90s (such as 1997-????), meaning the oldest Gen Z people will be 21 now. Millennials are seen as 22-36, which is why its so ridiculous that we're still being called out for crap.

Livia · 02-10-2018, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

A lot people see Gen Z as late 90s (such as 1997-????), meaning the oldest Gen Z people will be 21 now. Millennials are seen as 22-36, which is why its so ridiculous that we're still being called out for crap.

What's ridiculous are all the new pigeon holes we try to fit people in.

I'm in my 30s now. When I was a young person, it was young people being called out. It's just a different label.