Awful tonight

[Amy Jade]

He followed Kay around pretending he was worried about her when all he really wanted to do was have a pop at her.

She literally begged the guy to leave it until tomorrow when she was in a better frame or mind but he just had to have a go at her and when she never argued back he left her to go and slag her off to anyone willing to listen.

Snide and manipulative and he showed himself up tonight.

[BBDodge]

He didn't play that very well.

But he's seen off another one, if that's his intention.

[rph]

Lewis F was brilliant tonight - he got rid of that bitch Kay

[Elliot]

He did seem a bit obsessive, but hey he knows he’s crazy!

[Lostie!]

Terrible. He was one of my favourites mere days ago and has rapidly dropped to one of my least.

[bots]

that was mental bullying, no doubt about it

[Vicky.]

Yeah he was awful.

[RileyH]

Lewis F was brilliant tonight - he got rid of that bitch Kay

:umm2:

[poppsywoppsy]

They are as bad as one another, she pressed his buttons and he should have left her alone.

She really milked her leaving though.

[Amy Jade]

They are as bad as one another, she pressed his buttons and he should have left her alone.

She really milked her leaving though.

She did nothing tonight - she wanted to leave it he definitely wanted an argument.

[Jase.]

Yeah I love him but he was wrong bringing it up when she clearly didn't wanna talk about it.

[Rufus]

He shouldn't of continued when she told him to stop but when he first initiated the conversation I don't think he was intending to create an argument.

[Tony Montana]

He’s one of my Favs but I agree he was Awful tonight

[Jordan.]

I like him but he gets on my tits when he's in an argument and the Cameron stanning has got to go

[Epic.]

Part of his stuff tonight was obsessive but I really don't think he purposefully went out of his way to upset Kay; someone who he thought very highly of before clashing with her. I think he just exaggerates a lot of things out of his own paranoia. Not the nicest person but still very compelling for me.

Plus I found Kay quite patronising and annoying sometimes, so I can see the root of why he was upset at least

[poppsywoppsy]

She did nothing tonight - she wanted to leave it he definitely wanted an argument.

But she did by ignoring his points and pressing her own that he was this, that and the other. That was pushing his buttons.

I can admit he was out of order when he was, he should have left her alone but it should also be the same for Kay. If she didn't want to talk about it, she shouldn't have criticized him.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

that was mental bullying, no doubt about it
Correct, it was mental bullying. He would not stand up to Lewis G when he riled him proving what a coward he is. Half the time I don't even understand what he is saying, he talks so fast.

[rusticgal]

They are as bad as one another, she pressed his buttons and he should have left her alone.

She really milked her leaving though.


Kay was drawn to him...she didn't really have any friends in the house.
Kay was very clever...her nicely nicely act..but she did press buttons with Lewis and then turned into the victim when he fought back. He should have backed off tonight but she was just as guilty.
Very manipulative...and very strange woman. Glad she's gone.

[Garfie]

Kay was worse last night, by provoking him when he was trying to sleep, and then also provoking Cameron, but tonight Lewis was worse and should have stopped when she told him numerous times she didn't want to discuss their argument. He was uncomfortable viewing tonight.

[Amy Jade]

But she did by ignoring his points and pressing her own that he was this, that and the other. That was pushing his buttons.

I can admit he was out of order when he was, he should have left her alone but it should also be the same for Kay. If she didn't want to talk about it, she shouldn't have criticized him.

She didn't want to talk about it and he should have respected her wishes as he knew she was upset, would you not back off if you could see someone was upset?

[smudgie]

Kay was drawn to him...she didn't really have any friends in the house.
Kay was very clever...her nicely nicely act..but she did press buttons with Lewis and then turned into the victim when he fought back. He should have backed off tonight but she was just as guilty.
Very manipulative...and very strange woman. Glad she's gone.

I agree...and why the hell is a walker allowed on BBOTS?

[Robertocarlo]

He followed Kay around pretending he was worried about her when all he really wanted to do was have a pop at her.

She literally begged the guy to leave it until tomorrow when she was in a better frame or mind but he just had to have a go at her and when she never argued back he left her to go and slag her off to anyone willing to listen.

Snide and manipulative and he showed himself up tonight.

Have to agree with you there. I was not impressed at all with Lewis who effectively shoved Kay out of the door! :fist:

[rusticgal]

Yeah I love him but he was wrong bringing it up when she clearly didn't wanna talk about it.


...but she did and started to make digs. Perhaps she should have walked away. If Lewis winds her up so much go and chat to others...we never see her chat to anyone else do we?

[Mystic Mock]

Normally I think that Lewis F wipes the floor with Kay in arguments, but tonight he deliberately looked for that fight imo.

[rusticgal]

Have to agree with you there. I was not impressed at all with Lewis who effectively shoved Kay out of the door! :fist:

Kay has been trying to get out for days...she couldn't handle other people having an opinion on her...she enticed debate and didn't like it when people came back at her, then running to the diary room wanting to leave. Pathetic.
Lewis isn't one to leave unfinished business...she was as stubborn as he is...but she couldn't handle it. Too used to getting her own way IMO. That's why she kept going back..because she wanted to have the last hurrah...

[poppsywoppsy]

She didn't want to talk about it and he should have respected her wishes as he knew she was upset, would you not back off if you could see someone was upset?

Not when she was throwing shade at him. Did you miss it or something?

[rusticgal]

Not when she was throwing shade at him. Did you miss it or something?


It's a case of not wanting to see what you don't want to see..:laugh:

[poppsywoppsy]

It's a case of not wanting to see what you don't want to see..:laugh:

I agree :wavey:

[Jase.]

...but she did and started to make digs. Perhaps she should have walked away. If Lewis winds her up so much go and chat to others...we never see her chat to anyone else do we?

Tbf I was only half watching it at that point. What were the digs?

[Twosugars]

Lewis - pretty on the outside, ugly on the inside

and he has the cheek to quote Dalai Lama in the diary room :shrug:

[AnnieK]

He was my worst kind of antagonist tonight. I hate people who repeat and then deflect arguments back and then can't see that they are looking for a fight. Kay asked him to leave it...he couldn't and picked. Awful trait in a person

[rusticgal]

Tbf I was only half watching it at that point. What were the digs?


She said she didn't want to talk about it..then continued to talk about it hence Lewis defending himself..and the whole thing escalating.
One of them should have walked away...they were as bad as each other wanting to have the upper hand...but she wouldn't let it drop and neither did he. It wasn't one sided.

[bots]

She said she didn't want to talk about it..then continued to talk about it hence Lewis defending himself..and the whole thing escalating.
One of them should have walked away...they were as bad as each other wanting to have the upper hand...but she wouldn't let it drop and neither did he. It wasn't one sided.

she asked him to stop, that she didnt want to talk about it, but he wouldnt let it rest ... he poked and poked and then got more and more aggressive while she remained completely calm and placating

I get that some people dislike Kay and that's fine, but it was as clear as day who the guilty party was there. Cameron and him know the have ****ed up, hence their conversation in the bathroom.

[rusticgal]

He was my worst kind of antagonist tonight. I hate people who repeat and then deflect arguments back and then can't see that they are looking for a fight. Kay asked him to leave it...he couldn't and picked. Awful trait in a person

But Kay is equally as guilty of this behaviour...she did it with Cameron last night in the bedroom creating an arguement..being sarcastic. When he came back at her she didn't like it and then just patronised him saying he was childish...then running to the diary room wanting to leave again..she can dish it but can't take it.

[mr rochester]

He just would not let it go...

[AnnieK]

But Kay is equally as guilty of this behaviour...she did it with Cameron last night in the bedroom creating an arguement..being sarcastic. When he came back at her she didn't like it and then just patronised him saying he was childish...then running to the diary room wanting to leave again..she can dish it but can't take it.

Oh, I'm in no way saying she is innocent, I was commenting on the thread and I agreed Lewis was awful tonight. I've said all along Kay is an actress and knows how to work a situation but in the case of tonight's episode, that was Lewis' vitriol

[rusticgal]

she asked him to stop, that she didnt want to talk about it, but he wouldnt let it rest ... he poked and poked and then got more and more aggressive while she remained completely calm and placating

I get that some people dislike Kay and that's fine, but it was as clear as day who the guilty party was there. Cameron and him know the have ****ed up, hence their conversation in the bathroom.


He should have let it rest...I don't disagree with that. However...why didn't she walk away from the situation?...because she can't...she is her own worst enemy and thinks she's better than anyone else. She likes to be in control and she locked horns with someone equally as stubborn. It became a mind game with them both..and she lost.

[jaxie]

that was mental bullying, no doubt about it

For sure and I do feel he manipulated playing the victim with Lewis G too. He is a dire individual who sucks the life out of anyone he is around like sort of vampire. This show is fading away for me with him featuring so much now and his diary room muscle show made me want to puke.

[poppsywoppsy]

What I thought was also telling was when she was in the garden after spending the night in the other bedroom.

She went and sat as near to Lewis as she could. It is what she does, she is sneaky in her ways to wring every bit of sympathy and goad Lewis into confrontation. She could have sat anywhere but No.

[Amy Jade]

It's a case of not wanting to see what you don't want to see..:laugh:

Look closer to home for that.

[poppsywoppsy]

Look closer to home for that.

Several have said that Lewis was not correct tonight.

You can say it about your favourite, they are not perfect and Kay certainly wasn't without fault.

[rusticgal]

For sure and I do feel he manipulated playing the victim with Lewis G too. He is a dire individual who sucks the life out of anyone he is around like sort of vampire. This show is fading away for me with him featuring so much now and his diary room muscle show made me want to puke.


Tbf Kay has played the victim for the last 2 weeks....she has equally sucked the life out of the house with her vegan rants and 'deep' conversations. Her fake smiley happy-go-lucky personae.
Why else has no one warmed to her...needy higher-than-thou attitude has bought no real friendships.

[Amy Jade]

Several have said that Lewis was not correct tonight.

You can say it about your favourite, they are not perfect and Kay certainly wasn't without fault.

Not getting into a debate about it so you can manipulate whatever is said and deflect it. I see very plainly what's going on :hee:

[poppsywoppsy]

Tbf Kay has played the victim for the last 2 weeks....she has equally sucked the life out of the house with her vegan rants and 'deep' conversations. Her fake smiley happy-go-lucky personae.
Why else has no one warmed to her...needy higher-than-thou attitude has bought no real friendships.

She was nominated by a lot of her housemates but not Lewis.

He didn't need to.

[poppsywoppsy]

Not getting into a debate about it so you can manipulate whatever is said and deflect it. I see very plainly what's going on :hee:

How very like Kay's philosophy. Spot on.:nono:

[Amy Jade]

How very like Kay's philosophy. Spot on.:nono:

Just as yours in very like Lewis F's tonight. Touché.

[rusticgal]

Look closer to home for that.

Really?...I have said Lewis should have let it go. He was at fault too...but she isn't blameless.
Read my posts...

[rusticgal]

Not getting into a debate about it so you can manipulate whatever is said and deflect it. I see very plainly what's going on :hee:


Debate is what this forum is about. What you see 'plainly' simply isn't what everyone else sees..:shrug:

[poppsywoppsy]

Really?...I have said Lewis should have let it go. He was at fault too...but she isn't blameless.
Read my posts...

Kay's protege :cheer2:

[Garfie]

What I thought was also telling was when she was in the garden after spending the night in the other bedroom.

She went and sat as near to Lewis as she could. It is what she does, she is sneaky in her ways to wring every bit of sympathy and goad Lewis into confrontation. She could have sat anywhere but No.

Yes, I noticed that. I wondered why she had chosen to sit right next to where he was when there were numerous other sunny spots and chairs in the garden. I do think Lewis was definitely out of order tonight, but Kay's behaviour is somewhat odd and she seems to try to provoke a reaction from others.

The dynamic between the two of them is very strange and unhealthy to say the least.

[rusticgal]

What I thought was also telling was when she was in the garden after spending the night in the other bedroom.

She went and sat as near to Lewis as she could. It is what she does, she is sneaky in her ways to wring every bit of sympathy and goad Lewis into confrontation. She could have sat anywhere but No.


So telling....why didn't she sit with the others who were all welcoming (despite bitching about her moments earlier)

But no..she intentionally went and sat with Lewis who clearly didn't want to talk...
Like I have said...she's her own worst enemy and wanted another bit of drama.

[Spoon]

Lewis was unrelentingly terrible to her during their "conversation" tonight. She never should have been cast, as she was always going to be a walker, but he would just not leave her alone.

[GoldHeart]

So telling....why didn't she sit with the others who were all welcoming (despite bitching about her moments earlier)

But no..she intentionally went and sat with Lewis who clearly didn't want to talk...
Like I have said...she's her own worst enemy and wanted another bit of drama.

And she sarcastically said to the other's on the smoking bench "oh i'm going to sit with my friend" :bored: , she definitely enjoys a reaction but she's emotionally not right in the head . Lewis has his issues and the problem is because she plays victim and get's really dismissive it can come across like he's argumentative as he always wants answers . But he should of just dropped it .

But she overreacts too often , and if she's not in the right state of mind then why did she take part in BB . And Both of them were in the wrong as they both kept going round in circles over the same thing and it was boring :sleep:.

[Ammi]

...I think Kay and Lewis are just too similar to each other with how they overthink...and because they have felt a connection and friendship, they both just have to say and point out what they feel are the faults of the other one...they both find it difficult if they feel they may he been misunderstood in how they may have been shown to the public...Lewis I think is a bit more overbearing but I think that’s more an alcohol induced thing....when he suggested the prank on Cameron and Cian pointed out the cruelty of it...he just then wanted to go to bed and not talk about it ...However well intentioned, Kay didn’t really respect that, which was obviously annoying for him...Kay made it clear that she didn’t want to talk about their differences last night and Lewis didn’t respect that...he had to get his thoughts across ...as she had, had to get her thoughts across to him the evening before...?...a similarity, a pattern..:laugh:...neither of them are awful I don’t think...but they have some personality similarities that have begun to clash ..there doesn’t have to be a right or wrong and there doesn’t have to be a good or bad..and I don’t think there is with those two...they both need their own spaces at times and for their own reasons...but they have to realise that neither give those own same spaces to each other...

[Cherie]

They are as bad as one another, she pressed his buttons and he should have left her alone.

She really milked her leaving though.

He was the one that sought her out, he asked to speak to her about the argument the night before, after they had already made up about it, she said she wanted to move on from it, it was obviously bothering him that he came out of it looking bad so he wanted to shift the blame onto Kay so he kept going on and on and on and on, his voice escalating and then when she wouldn't bite he stood over her..then to cap it off he managed to make Cameron feel it was all his fault right at the end, he really is truly awful

[Cherie]

What I thought was also telling was when she was in the garden after spending the night in the other bedroom.

She went and sat as near to Lewis as she could. It is what she does, she is sneaky in her ways to wring every bit of sympathy and goad Lewis into confrontation. She could have sat anywhere but No.

Because someone said is is cold where they were sitting in the smoking bit so she went and sat in the sun, where was the issue, LF doesn't own the garden

[bots]

He was the one that sought her out, he asked to speak to her about the argument the night before, after they had already made up about it, she said she wanted to move on from it, it was obviously bothering him that he came out of it looking bad so he wanted to shift the blame onto Kay so he kept going on and on and on and on, his voice escalating and then when she wouldn't bite he stood over her..then to cap it off he managed to make Cameron feel it was all his fault right at the end, he really is truly awful

yep, nasty piece of work

[Slevin]

I agree...and why the hell is a walker allowed on BBOTS?
its not the first time. they've done that plenty.
He was the one that sought her out, he asked to speak to her about the argument the night before, after they had already made up about it, she said she wanted to move on from it, it was obviously bothering him that he came out of it looking bad so he wanted to shift the blame onto Kay so he kept going on and on and on and on, his voice escalating and then when she wouldn't bite he stood over her..then to cap it off he managed to make Cameron feel it was all his fault right at the end, he really is truly awful
that was my main issue with it. he sought her out. i also thought he would make it worse to seem like it was all her fault when HM were there & walking in & out.
Because someone said is is cold where they were sitting in the smoking bit so she went and sat in the sun, where was the issue, LF doesn't own the garden
i could see why some would see that she did it to be antagonizing but she wasnt that close to him. she sat on the chair farthest away that was actually in the sun at least lol

[Ammi]

...Kay did persist in the conversation the evening before though when Lewis wasn’t in the vibe to talk about it or talk in general...he was laying in bed with his eye mask on...they’re two peas in slightly different pods in how there emotions are released...Kay gets upset and sometimes cries...he whinges and sometimes rants...(...alcohol I think enhances the ranting more..)...neither of them are nasty though, imo....

[Cherie]

...Kay did persist in the conversation the evening before though when Lewis wasn’t in the vibe to talk about it or talk in general...he was laying in bed with his eye mask on...they’re two peas in slightly different pods in how there emotions are released...Kay gets upset and sometimes cries...he whinges and sometimes rants...(...alcohol I think enhances the ranting more..)...neither of them are nasty though, imo....


He rolled over and she asked him if he was still sulking, that was it, then he started ranting ,it wasn't like he was under the covers and she was still going on at him he was sat up in the bed, Ammi he is a nasty piece of work no question, I don't comment that much on whether people are nice or nasty, but I won't hold back on this one because he is.

[Ammi]

...in BB, it’s often that housemates are either nasty or nice, no in between...I guess it makes it easy for Santa Claus to make his ticking list, with the simplicity of it all...

[Ammi]

He rolled over and she asked him if he was still sulking, that was it, then he started ranting ,it wasn't like he was under the covers and she was still going on at him he was sat up in the bed

...he rolled over because he didn’t want to talk at that moment and was asked if he was sulking because he rolled over and displayed that he didn’t want to talk...it’s all in the perception of what took place...

[bots]

...Kay did persist in the conversation the evening before though when Lewis wasn’t in the vibe to talk about it or talk in general...he was laying in bed with his eye mask on...they’re two peas in slightly different pods in how there emotions are released...Kay gets upset and sometimes cries...he whinges and sometimes rants...(...alcohol I think enhances the ranting more..)...neither of them are nasty though, imo....

the thing that annoys me most about Lewis F is the way he manipulates the situations specifically for his audience. The shaking and shouting at Anamelia, the hiding in the corner victim from lewis G, and then the butter wouldnt melt while shouting and aggressively attacking Kay.

Someone will be next on his hit list, be in no doubt about it

[Ammi]

...and I am very much a Kay fan and not particularly a Lewis fan...but it’s how I saw it ...and very similar to what he did with Kay the following evening...neither respecting that the time wasn’t right now...

[Cherie]

...he rolled over because he didn’t want to talk at that moment and was asked if he was sulking because he rolled over and displayed that he didn’t want to talk...it’s all in the perception of what took place...

I can't see too many redeeming qualities in him, he is using Cameron to create a type of big brother bromance, he more or less put all the blame on Kay leaving on him in bathroom at the end :laugh: why not say she left after the conversation I had with her, it was my fault and take the load off Cameron?

[Cherie]

...he rolled over because he didn’t want to talk at that moment and was asked if he was sulking because he rolled over and displayed that he didn’t want to talk...it’s all in the perception of what took place...

He wasn't asleep though, he was literally engaged in a full blown conversation about pranking Cameron, then rolled over when he didn't get his way, when LG used to try and rile him when he was under the covers there wasn't a peep out of him, if he didn't want to engage with what Kay was saying he could have just stayed still and quiet like he did with LG

[Ammi]

the thing that annoys me most about Lewis F is the way he manipulates the situations specifically for his audience. The shaking and shouting at Anamelia, the hiding in the corner victim from lewis G, and then the butter wouldnt melt while shouting and aggressively attacking Kay.

Someone will be next on his hit list, be in no doubt about it

..I don’t think he has a hit list, bots...:laugh:...Lewis the assassin, ooops...his overthinking can create paranoia ..but in fairness, I think the same could be said about Kay...


..he did address how he had felt about Anamelia and the associations with an ex...with him and Kay...two overthinkers to the point of paranoia at times will never make a good combination because there is no balance there...and with Lewis G..?...well the last thing an attention seeker is given is attention...best to not give them what they crave...

[Beso]

Bb should have called him into the diary room and said "hey mate, are you deaf. She said no, not tonight"

He's probably the same when a girl says no to Sex.

[Ammi]

I can't see too many redeeming qualities in him, he is using Cameron to create a type of big brother bromance, he more or less put all the blame on Kay leaving on him in bathroom at the end :laugh: why not say she left after the conversation I had with her, it was my fault and take the load off Cameron?


...I guess it’s how he interpreted it, Cameron being upset being linked to Kay going and he knows Cameron had no liking for Kay at all so was it guilt he was feeling...he didn’t put the blame on Cameron, he just assumed that Cameron was feeling some guilt...because he sees the best in Cameron and doesn’t see the gameplaying there...and because he doesn’t see it as his fault she left because it isn’t his fault she left..:laugh:...there is hypocrisy with both of them, he was right in that...they both do similar things and neither can see that they do...

He wasn't asleep though, he was literally engaged in a full blown conversation about pranking Cameron, then rolled over when he didn't get his way, when LG used to try and rile him when he was under the covers there wasn't a peep out of him, if he didn't want to engage with what Kay was saying he could have just stayed still and quiet like he did with LG

...it was obvious though that he wasn’t open for talking ...not only in him laying in bed with his mask on but he reinforced it by rolling over when Kay asked if he was sulking..there was nothing infer sulking and everything to infer...I want to sleep now..and yeah he could have stayed quiet...but ya know, alcohol as well...but Kay did have fault there in that escalation...

[Elliot]

What I thought was also telling was when she was in the garden after spending the night in the other bedroom.

She went and sat as near to Lewis as she could. It is what she does, she is sneaky in her ways to wring every bit of sympathy and goad Lewis into confrontation. She could have sat anywhere but No.

Ugh we love t

[Ammi]

Bb should have called him into the diary room and said "hey mate, are you deaf. She said no, not tonight"

He's probably the same when a girl says no to Sex.

...well he probably isn’t because one thing does not link to the other at all...and when did BB call housemates into the diary room with potential drama situations occurring that had benign content...

[Beso]

Because someone said is is cold where they were sitting in the smoking bit so she went and sat in the sun, where was the issue, LF doesn't own the garden

Was about to post this, another good post cherie

[Beso]

...well he probably isn’t because one thing does not link to the other at all...and when did BB call housemates into the diary room with potential drama situations occurring that had benign content...

I don't know why it's beyond the realms of reality.. He never listen when he's had a drink.

BB knew she was in the edge of leaving and should have noticed what WA triggering her wanting to leave..... Yet they allowed him to get in her face again after she made it very clear it was draining her...

[Beso]

And they called hughie into the diary room every argument he had........so?

[Ammi]

I don't know why it's beyond the realms of reality.. He never listen when he's had a drink.

BB knew she was in the edge of leaving and should have noticed what WA triggering her wanting to leave..... Yet they allowed him to get in her face again after she made it very clear it was draining her...

...lots of people never listen when they’ve had a good old drink...alcohol is something that impacts on the powers of listening and thinking etc...and that’s very much displayed with Lewis also...but there has been no indication whatsoever of ‘if a girl said no to sex’...and tbh that’s an bizarre thing to suggest and to link to any of his behaviour displayed in the house when he’s been drinking...

[Ammi]

I don't know why it's beyond the realms of reality.. He never listen when he's had a drink.

BB knew she was in the edge of leaving and should have noticed what WA triggering her wanting to leave..... Yet they allowed him to get in her face again after she made it very clear it was draining her...

...I love Kay but we’re BB to give her some kind of special treatment, treat her with delicacy ...no one must upset Kay because she’s particularly fragile atm...

[Ammi]

...tbh, Kay seemed so drained that it wouldn’t have taken much anyway...whether it be yesterday, today or tomorrow...she was on the edge of the door and always going to go through it before she was evicted...and I’m glad she did, I would have hated for her to be evicted to boos...which I fear she would have been...let the lovely butterfly fly away ...

[sungrass]

Tbf Kay has played the victim for the last 2 weeks....she has equally sucked the life out of the house with her vegan rants and 'deep' conversations. Her fake smiley happy-go-lucky personae.
Why else has no one warmed to her...needy higher-than-thou attitude has bought no real friendships.

How is the situation different from what Lewis G did to him?
He backed off and recluse when a housemate was antagonising him!
Because he couldn't take an argument with someone who was intimidating to him - but a fragile softly spoken women who is clearly upset he can keep going for? He wouldn't let it drop. It was uncomfortable viewing.

[Cherie]

How is the situation different from what Lewis G did to him?
He backed off and recluse when a housemate was antagonising him!
Because he couldn't take an argument with someone who was intimidating to him - but a fragile softly spoken women who is clearly upset he can keep going for? He wouldn't let it drop. It was uncomfortable viewing.

:clap1: he said LG was intimidating him but he couldn't see that his behaviour was far worse

[rusticgal]

How is the situation different from what Lewis G did to him?
He backed off and recluse when a housemate was antagonising him!
Because he couldn't take an argument with someone who was intimidating to him - but a fragile softly spoken women who is clearly upset he can keep going for? He wouldn't let it drop. It was uncomfortable viewing.

Lewis F did not intimidate Kay in any way...she was weirdly drawn to him despite being the only one other than Cameron she appeared to argue with. Even last night...she left the diary room and went into the garden and the 3 two faced HM's greeted her with open arms...but she went and sat next to LF who was excercising.
Lewis F kept his distance from LG because he didn't want to be around a toxic individual. Kay referred to the house as toxic...imo she was referring to LF and Cameron ...but why didn't she just distance herself from it. She seemed to goad LF it was strange to watch. He actually liked her...but she seemed to turn on him.
Fragile woman shes not....she just doesn't like it when people don't see it her way.

[poppsywoppsy]

I cannot. Understand why people cannot get that there were faults on both sides.

They made a toxic pair, however many times they tried to make up.

Kay was not blameless as was not Lewis. It's not rocket science.

[Vanessa]

Kay was wrong yesterday when he wanted to leave it and she kept pushing. Today Lewis did the same thing and that was wrong. So they're both in the wrong for me.
They clearly fancy each other, but their personalities clash big time.

[GoldHeart]

I cannot. Understand why people cannot get that there were faults on both sides.

They made a toxic pair, however many times they tried to make up.

Kay was not blameless as was not Lewis. It's not rocket science.

Yeah they're both argumentative .
Difference is Lewis gets louder & shows his temper.
Kay does the emotional display.

[Vanessa]

Like i said, both in the wrong.

[tanussa]

because lewis had really liked kay in the beginning, her mood swings then baffled him, especially when she turned on him. so he felt the only way to sort it was to confront it if they were to continue a friendship. on reflection it was the wrong decision because instead of talking it out she decided to play the poor little victim again. had she chatted I doubt lewis would have got so frustrated. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but then who is

[GoldHeart]

because lewis had really liked kay in the beginning, her mood swings then baffled him, especially when she turned on him. so he felt the only way to sort it was to confront it if they were to continue a friendship. on reflection it was the wrong decision because instead of talking it out she decided to play the poor little victim again. had she chatted I doubt lewis would have got so frustrated. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but then who is

I'm just glad we had a lucky escape from another CHIGGY BB 8 :joker: :facepalm: .

[Vanessa]

I'm just glad we had a lucky escape from another CHIGGY BB 8 :joker: :facepalm: .

They would have been worse :shocked:

[GoldHeart]

They would have been worse :shocked:

Probably :joker:

[Brother Leon]

Could tell the guy was a prick from day. Some were too blind to it just because he rivaled a couple people they hate.

[fred7853]

He acts like a Billy no mates. He thinks his opinions are the only ones that matter and he is never ever wrong. Total prick

[GoldHeart]

They would have been worse :shocked:

Maybe as well the celibacy thing is affecting his brain a bit :joker:

[Vanessa]

Maybe as well the celibacy thing is affecting his brain a bit :joker:

I can help with that :hehe:

[poppsywoppsy]

I can help with that :hehe:

You are shameless, but hilarious.:joker:

[GoldHeart]

You are shameless, but hilarious.:joker:

She's besotted with Lewis :joker: .

I think some people wonder if Lewis really is celibate , didn't he imply to LG that if he goes he'll release something. Can't remember his exact words but it could of been intepreted as having sex . But maybe I'm wrong :conf: .

[Vanessa]

You are shameless, but hilarious.:joker:

I just find him insanely hot. mmmm :fan:

[Vanessa]

She's besotted with Lewis :joker: .

I think some people wonder if Lewis really is celibate , didn't he imply to LG that if he goes he'll release something. Can't remember his exact words but it could of been intepreted as having sex . But maybe I'm wrong :conf: .

I can help him relax :joker:

[GoldHeart]

I can help him relax :joker:

But do you believe he's really celibate?? :joker: . He definitely has alot of something built up so maybe it has been a long time for him :whistle: .

[MTVN]

Felt awful for Kay, I have no doubt that Lewis went into that conversation desperate to antagonise her when he knew she was struggling and wanted to move on from it and I have no doubt that her walking was the outcome he was aiming at

[bots]

Felt awful for Kay, I have no doubt that Lewis went into that conversation desperate to antagonise her when he knew she was struggling and wanted to move on from it and I have no doubt that her walking was the outcome he was aiming at

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

Felt awful for Kay, I have no doubt that Lewis went into that conversation desperate to antagonise her when he knew she was struggling and wanted to move on from it and I have no doubt that her walking was the outcome he was aiming at

She did the same yesterday. Pushed and pushed, even after he told her to leave it.

[MTVN]

She did the same yesterday. Pushed and pushed, even after he told her to leave it.

Whether that's true or not doesn't excuse Lewis' behaviour. She'd had a tough day of it which he realised hence why he pretended he wanted to talk to her out of concern then when she didn't react the way he wanted he deliberately went in hard repeating his comments from the previous night and doing everything he could to antagonise her. There was clearly no need for it unless he wanted to push her over the edge again which he succeeded in doing

[Vanessa]

Whether that's true or not doesn't excuse Lewis' behaviour. She'd had a tough day of it which he realised hence why he pretended he wanted to talk to her out of concern then when she didn't react the way he wanted he deliberately went in hard repeating his comments from the previous night and doing everything he could to antagonise her. There was clearly no need for it unless he wanted to push her over the edge again which he succeeded in doing
It doesn't excuse her behaviour yesterday either.

[AnnieK]

She did the same yesterday. Pushed and pushed, even after he told her to leave it.

Doesn't excuse him doing it though Ness. He should have been the bigger person really...he was mad about her doing it then did the exact say thing. That's the epitome of hypocritical.

Don't get me wrong, they are as bad as each other but its kind of childish for him to do it because she did....

[Amy Jade]

Imagine attacking someone who was admittedly struggling in the house and when she refused to fight back because she was too upset, going to other housemates and slagging her off.

He's a really horrible guy and seems to anger very quickly towards women.

[Vanessa]

Doesn't excuse him doing it though Ness. He should have been the bigger person really...he was mad about her doing it then did the exact say thing. That's the epitome of hypocritical.

Don't get me wrong, they are as bad as each other but its kind of childish for him to do it because she did....
I'm just saying, i think they're both in the wrong.

[AnnieK]

Imagine attacking someone who was admittedly struggling in the house and when she refused to fight back because she was too upset, going to other housemates and slagging her off.

He's a really horrible guy and seems to anger very quickly towards women.

The anger toward women thing concerns me, he did it to Anamelia and now Kay but didn't say boo to a goose to Lewis G

[AnnieK]

I'm just saying, i think they're both in the wrong.

Oh absolutely....both far to aware of themselves and how they are perceived. Both are quite accomplished at the mind games and blame shifting

[Vanessa]

The anger toward women thing concerns me, he did it to Anamelia and now Kay but didn't say boo to a goose to Lewis G

That's because there's no point arguing with someone like Lewis G. It would only have made the situation worse.

[Lostie!]

That's because there's no point arguing with someone like Lewis G. It would only have made the situation worse.

Yeah because arguing really helped the situation with Kay.

He was intimidated by Lewis G, he admitted as much.

[poppsywoppsy]

It really didn't begin like that, up until Kay started pointing the finger at his failings according to her, it was almost amicable.

He took umbrage at her remarks and she tried then to stop the conversation. Hardly a level playing field and it all kicked off because of it.

[Amy Jade]

The anger toward women thing concerns me, he did it to Anamelia and now Kay but didn't say boo to a goose to Lewis G

Exactly Annie. He was so quick to attack Ana and Kay and it took very little to push him over the edge and become almost obsessed with them.

But Lewis G goaded him every day and he never even so much as defended himself but went and moaned in the diary room.

[Slevin]

Exactly Annie. He was so quick to attack Ana and Kay and it took very little to push him over the edge and become almost obsessed with them.

But Lewis G goaded him every day and he never even so much as defended himself but went and moaned in the diary room.
he was a pussy when it came to G. he acted like it was no big deal & would act like him & G were ok like it was some mutual no malice friendly rivalry. i thought it was odd how both Lewis were all huggy & doing the hand shake deal with each other a couple times during the eviction. so when G came out & said all this stuff it made more sense.

[Cherie]

he was a pussy when it came to G. he acted like it was no big deal & would act like him & G were ok like it was some mutual no malice friendly rivalry. i thought it was odd how both Lewis were all huggy & doing the hand shake deal with each other a couple times during the eviction. so when G came out & said all this stuff it made more sense.

Lewis G was clearly taken by surprise by the animosity

[Elliot]

Fun fact but everyone Lewis has had a problem with the house has practically shared the same opinion on so like...

They crucified jesus? https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/kim.jpg?strip=all&w=1024&h=576&crop=1

[armand.kay]

Lewis F is trash this is why I couldnt bring myself to stan even when I was semi liking him

[armand.kay]

Fun fact but everyone Lewis has had a problem with the house has practically shared the same opinion on so like...

They crucified jesus? https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/kim.jpg?strip=all&w=1024&h=576&crop=1

Jesus wasn't a follower this sounds more like gang handed behavior to me
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/kim.jpg?strip=all&w=1024&h=576&crop=1

[armand.kay]

Lewis G was clearly taken by surprise by the animosity

Yeah I wasn't a fan of Lewia G but it was very obvious the guy had no clue there was a genuine problem between them

[Ammi]

..I don’t think he’s trash I have to say...but he just isn’t what he seems to think he is...far from it...he’s very good at pointing out aspects of others that can be annoying and irritating etc...he ‘hones in’ on flaws and needles away at them and let’s that person know, they’re not all that...and doesn’t see the same or similar qualities in himself at all...even when they’re pointed out to him...he’ll justify them to death and to death and forever and ever..and ohhhh, hush up Lewis, you’re giving the painkillers a headache so what about us poor viewers...

[Vanessa]

I think he's a great housemate. He just needs to stop over thinking.

[armand.kay]

..I don’t think he’s trash I have to say...but he just isn’t what he seems to think he is...far from it...he’s very good at pointing out aspects of others that can be annoying and irritating etc...he ‘hones in’ on flaws and needles away at them and let’s that person know, they’re not all that...and doesn’t see the same or similar qualities in himself at all...even when they’re pointed out to him...he’ll justify them to death and to death and forever and ever..and ohhhh, hush up Lewis, you’re giving the painkillers a headache so what about us poor viewers...

For someone who bangs on about possivd energy all the time he is incredibly negative. I would find him draining if I was in there with him.

[jaxie]

Whether that's true or not doesn't excuse Lewis' behaviour. She'd had a tough day of it which he realised hence why he pretended he wanted to talk to her out of concern then when she didn't react the way he wanted he deliberately went in hard repeating his comments from the previous night and doing everything he could to antagonise her. There was clearly no need for it unless he wanted to push her over the edge again which he succeeded in doing

:clap1: He is so relentlessly me me me.

[chuff me dizzy]

He was terrible last night, clearly so paranoid, but I hope Cameron does as he said he would and leaves it now and hang around Cian more as LF is dragging him down