People saying that Cameron's 'coming out' is a gameplan

[Babayaro.]

Is it just me, or is this incredibly insensitive? Like, what signs has there been to suggest that none of this has been genuine? I think a lot of people are letting their opinion of him as a housemate cloud their judgement. I've seen many reaches over the years, but this one takes the biscuit!

Or maybe I'm just being naive, who knows? :shrug:

[Elliot]

Hmm
Someone coming out on live tv before telling their family
Hmmm

[Rufus]

Hmm
Someone coming out on live tv before telling their family
Hmmm

His family knew tho.

[Headie]

Is it just me

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[Cherie]

When he said he told Cian in confidence....on national TV..I laughed

[Cherie]

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:laugh:

[Babayaro.]

Hmm
Someone coming out on live tv before telling their family
Hmmm

I'm pretty sure he has told his family? Or I could be wrong idk. Anyway, that's beside the point, as the live TV part really has nothing to do with it, because being in such an enclosed living environment 24/7, you are going to start feeling like that is the norm and forget you are constantly being watched.

[Babayaro.]

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Why do you think it's not genuine?

[Daniel.]

It’s stupid and insensitive and a huge moment but oh well hes disliked on here so

Just imagine if that was someone who was popular here

[Cherie]

I'm pretty sure he has told his family? Or I could be wrong idk. Anyway, that's beside the point, as the live TV part really has nothing to do with it, because being in such an enclosed living environment 24/7, you are going to start feeling like that is the normal and forget you are constantly being watched.

Are you kidding, he has been on about his secret since launch night drinks

[Vicky.]

I think its a gameplan. However, hes my fave, so clearly I don't think this because I'm letting dislike cloud my judgement :laugh:

He has made such a fuss of making sure he went round each housemate seperately and made a big deal of the conversations, trying to make it coded (but ridiculous coded-ness) and that...along with the diary room thing early on where it was clear what he was on about but he was pretending he didn't want anyone to know, that I cannot see it as anything but a gameplan.

Tbh I am surprised this plan has not happened sooner on the show.

Still have no issue with gameplaying though. But yeah, I think this is 'fake'. Not fake as in he isn't gay, but fake as in planned out before he went in

[Liam-]

Takes a lot of cynicism to find fault in someone having the courage to take the scariest step of their life, not surprised at all that people are trying to though.

[Babayaro.]

It’s stupid and insensitive and a huge moment but oh well hes disliked on here so

Just imagine if that was someone who was popular here

Takes a lot of cynicism to find fault in someone having the courage to take the scariest step of their life, not surprised at all that people are trying to though.

It's just really disheartening to see tbh

[Rob!]

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

[Jordan.]

I don't think it was a gameplan but it was a chore seeing it dragged out over 3 weeks

[Amy Jade]

Gameplan. My opinion. Don't have to be a lesbian to have an opinion either.

[BBDodge]

I'm surprised people would think it wasn't pre-planned.

Seems to be working a treat too.

[Elliot]

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

I’m gay and had to come out oop just my opinion ykno!!

[rusticgal]

Hmm
Someone coming out on live tv before telling their family
Hmmm

I think His dad said the family knew..

[Babayaro.]

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

:clap1: Wonderfully put

[joeysteele]

I'm pretty sure he has told his family? Or I could be wrong idk. Anyway, that's beside the point, as the live TV part really has nothing to do with it, because being in such an enclosed living environment 24/7, you are going to start feeling like that is the normal and forget you are constantly being watched.

I agree.
I think the gameplan accusation is undeserved.

Also, I agree, as many housemates have said over near all series, it does get overlooked that the cameras are there.

[Daniel-X]

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

[Jack_]

I have no reason to disbelieve him but the point is even if it IS a gameplan it's a bloody brilliant one at that

It's literally win-win either way so

[Vicky.]

I don't know what coming out as gay is like, but I know what coming out as bi is like :shrug: Though I didn't 'come out' as such, just brought my girlfriend home to meet the family and made our relationship public

[Babayaro.]

Gameplan. My opinion. Don't have to be a lesbian to have an opinion either.

What?

[Oliver_W]

What?

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

[rusticgal]

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

I have to hold my hands up and say I questioned his actions...I also assumed his family didn't know.
However watching tonight I found it quite endearing and genuine. Lewis has been a great mate for him in there.
I hope Cameron feels liberated now...and can enjoy the BB experience more.

[pontyboi]

Its because it all seems forced even when he finally "came out" Lewis had to as always ask how he was feeling and if he was emotional when in reality if something is weighing on your mind as he says it has been and its such a life changing experience and will change his whole world why didn't he show a slight bit of emotion when he admitted to it?

He was stone faced as **** lol he even pulled his hoodie over his face and it seemed so contrived especially when we know his family already knows.

However putting this situation aside I do think he is a great housemate and this planned storyline was not needed.

[Epic.]

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

I agree with both of these :worry:

[Babayaro.]

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

I'm sorry but this is just complete bull****. No individual is the same and it's really unfair to say that he should have said it from the off or not at all. He would have been playing this moment out in his mind over and over again, and having to carry that weight would normally be tough, but even more so inside the house, where the paranoia is huge.

[Daniel-X]

The whole scenario just SCREAMS contrived. Keeping everyone guessing for weeks (well not guessing as we all knew what he was CLEARLY alluding to without actually saying the words) to try and build it up as a really big story. He should’ve said it from the off or shouldn’t. I see why people may take offence at that but... doing all this ‘coded’ language and ‘oh I’m scared but I’ll drop hints for you to pick up!’ is just tiring and comes across as him trying to sell a story.

In my eyes, say it or don’t. But I’m just that kind of person and can often see through transparent people.

To add to this, I understand coming out can be difficult for some people to pluck up the courage. Still though, myself and I assume most other people would find it a lot easier to come out to strangers than people you already know. Which just makes this seem even fishier.

Sorry, just not BUYING what she’s selling.

[Babayaro.]

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

[Daniel-X]

I'm sorry but this is just complete bull****. No individually is the same and it's really unfair to say that he should have said it from the off or not at all. He would have been playing this moment out in his mind over and over again, and having to carry that weight would normally be tough, but even more so inside the house, where the paranoia is huge.

He’s not daft tho, he knows from the moment he did that DR entry that it was VERY VERY clear what he was alluding to. We all picked up on it straight away. So I don’t see how he can have ‘played it out over and over again’ - he pretty much did it that first DR entry and he knows that :shrug:

On other occasions other than the ‘coming out’ arc, we’ve seen how bothered he is about being perceived by the public. I mean he tried to say Kay walked to make him out to be a bad person? Lmao. He knows full well how the game works.

[Elliot]

Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

Quite a few people in this thread oo

[Amy Jade]

Who said this?


Or is this sarcasm?

Rob has said it a few times

[Amy Jade]

Dan X's posts :clap1:

[Daniel.]

I would probably do it like Cameron if I was 18 and in there

Saying them wirds were NOT easy

[Vicky.]

On other occasions other than the ‘coming out’ arc, we’ve seen how bothered he is about being perceived by the public. I mean he tried to say Kay walked to make him out to be a bad person? Lmao. He knows full well how the game works.

Yup, hes very very switched on to how the game goes. When Anamelia left, he immediately commented about it clearly being vote to evict aswell. I see Cameron as a bit of a Dexter Koh housemate actually, picking a specific storyline they feel will help them before going in, and acting it out.

I think Cameron though, did not realise he went in way overblown with this and if the plan was to drag it out as a gradual thing, he was too strong in the initial diary room entry, which I think was meant to be an 'is he isn't he' kind of thing, rather than full on obvious :laugh:

Its part of why I like him so much actually. I tend to like gameplayers a lot, rather than 'nice' housemates.

[rusticgal]

Its because it all seems forced even when he finally "came out" Lewis had to as always ask how he was feeling and if he was emotional when in reality if something is weighing on your mind as he says it has been and its such a life changing experience and will change his whole world why didn't he show a slight bit of emotion when he admitted to it?

He was stone faced as **** lol he even pulled his hoodie over his face and it seemed so contrived especially when we know his family already knows.

However putting this situation aside I do think he is a great housemate and this planned storyline was not needed.


His family knew...but all his ex schoolmates etc didn't. He mentioned his ex schoolmates in week 1 and how they would 'react'.....I think this was his way of telling all in an environment that would give him support and therefore make it easier to face them...maybe.

[BBDodge]

I would probably do it like Cameron if I was 18 and in there

Saying them wirds were NOT easy

He said "Yes".

[Ant.]

Tbh I'm mostly agreeing with both Dan-X and Rob

It's definitely not my place to doubt or question his coming out and I'm not, I like to believe that the guy's had it building up inside of him for so long and he's only just coming to terms with it

HOWEVER I do feel sceptical. And I don't have any rationale for feeling like that... there's just a part of me that can't help but wonder "IS it a gameplan?". My logical part of me isn't seeing that though

[Daniel.]

He said "Yes".

That is what I mean, he still cant say it.

[Strictly Jake]

He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes

[Ant.]

like at the end of the day, for me it's easy to critique Cameron's actions but I simply don't feel right to speculate that he's using 'coming out' as part of his gameplan. I was lucky in the fact that I figuted out I was gay when there were bigger fish to fry so I didn't struggle with my identity but I have a friend or two that aren't coming to terms with their sexuality well in a similar fashion to Cameron

Like tl;dr the gut in me is saying "he's genuine" BUT I can see why people would think he's gameplaying (although I don't believe he is)

[Elliot]

He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes

This this this
It’s so bloody obvious you must be blind to not see

[Amy Jade]

He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes

Exactly my thoughts on it.

Cian forced his hand early on.

[Vicky.]

That is what I mean, he still cant say it.

But he has said it, over and over again. To many different people, in many scenarios. Including once in the diary room where it was even more obvious than when he was telling the housemates. All while pretending to be cryptic but actually being as obvious as one can be without yelling 'I am gay' at the top of ones voice.

[rusticgal]

I don't think for one minute this whole thing will hand him the win...he's still going to whine and sulk like an 18 year old.
But Out of all of them in there...Lewis and Cameron are good mates and good housemates...and I don't dislike them half as much as I do the other bitchy bunch.

[GoldHeart]

Is it just me, or is this incredibly insensitive? Like, what signs has there been to suggest that none of this has been genuine? I think a lot of people are letting their opinion of him as a housemate cloud their judgement. I've seen many reaches over the years, but this one takes the biscuit!

Or maybe I'm just being naive, who knows? :shrug:

I think alot of people are naive to it , the pathetic thing is Cameron did all this for sympathy and a big storyline . Why did he go on NATIONAL TELLY to come out the closet !??? it doesn't make sense !!! :bored: :suspect: , and even if his parents knew what was the point in the big reveal and the tease of is he isn't he! . He dragged the whole thing out and he behaved really weird.

There's nothing genuine about it ,he's been watching BB and he knows what grabs headlines . He's more cunning that what you think . If he was so uncomfortable then why did he do this?? . He's the one that made an issue out of nothing , nobody gives a damn about his sexuality but he's the one giving himself this label as he's a dull bratty moron ! with no personality . And he'll probably win now as people think he's brave , utterly pathetic !!! .

[Babayaro.]

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

[Elliot]

Cameron is the most negative person in there what :joker:

[Rob!]

I love that people who claim to watch the show and love it seem to forget that the 45 minutes we see isn’t ALL that happens. They are stuck in there with only their own thoughts and the same people all day, in fact I would argue that Cameron and Lewis are illustrative of that more than any housemates in a long time.

[Garfie]

His Dad has just been on BOTS and said that he and other members of the family knew so that’s that on that.
I don't care about ANY of your negative vibes. If you don't know what coming out is actually like, you have no right to say how somebody else should do it. Honestly, people getting on their high horse and accusing him of gameplaying clearly have no clue what coming out can actually do to someone, no matter how supportive your family and friends are. It’s scary and life affirming and he should be really proud of himself. It’s so easy to accuse people of fakeness and gameplay on Big Brother. If he was game playing, he would have moaned less, been more positive and sulked a lot less that he has and he would also be a lot less paranoid. It is PAINFULLY obvious to anyone with a brain cell that his relationship with Lewis is because he gets a huge amount of comfort from him because he needs it. Someone with that level of paranoia and low self confidence does not possess the narcissistic qualities required to build a game plan to the level that he is being accused of.

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Well done, Rob. An excellent post.

It is so, so sad to see so much cynicism about Cameron's decision to come out as he did. I think people forget how young he is, and how, at 18, he is still discovering his identity and trying to come to terms with it. This was no game plan.

From what his dad said on BOTS, a lot of the people closest to him already know, and he just didn't get the chance to tell everyone he wanted to before entering the house. I think being around such a diverse range of people in the house probably made him feel that it's totally okay to just be who he is without feeling the need to hide it, and hence the environment was right for him to come out - it was a safe environment where I feel he knew he would be accepted for who he is.

Cameron should be so, so proud of himself to have the courage to do what he did, and credit to the other housemates for making him feel secure enough to do so.

I'm so glad that his dad was so proud of him on BOTS.

[Daniel-X]

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

No not really? Just seeing through someone for what they are :shrug:

I don’t look for flaws in people at all, I just can spot a fraud when I see one.
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[Babayaro.]

Cameron is the most negative person in there what :joker:

You missed my point entirely.

[GoldHeart]

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

Babay it's not about "looking for faults" , we're just not gullible and we figure things out instead of following like sheep.

The facts are there , none of Cameron's actions make sense and he even used the word "plan" in such a premeditated way when Cian threw him off guard :facepalm: . He's probably been planning this storyline for months !!!.

[Babayaro.]

There's no point in me even going on anymore. You can't change cynical people. :)

[Elliot]

If only we could change Cameron and his cynical ways :(

[Babayaro.]

If only we could change Cameron and his cynical ways :(

See, this is what I was talking about lmao - judging him on how he is as a housemate. I agree, he can be very miserable and moody a lot, but all of that is irrelevant to the topic currently being discussed.

[Daniel.]

But he has said it, over and over again. To many different people, in many scenarios. Including once in the diary room where it was even more obvious than when he was telling the housemates. All while pretending to be cryptic but actually being as obvious as one can be without yelling 'I am gay' at the top of ones voice.

This is what I did

[Garfie]

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

:clap1::clap1:

Totally agree with you here.

It seems that sometimes people decide they don't like a housemate and then everything they do and say is interpreted negatively. I think it's important to remember that no-one is all good or all bad, and that human beings are much more complex than that.

[rusticgal]

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Well done, Rob. An excellent post.

It is so, so sad to see so much cynicism about Cameron's decision to come out as he did. I think people forget how young he is, and how, at 18, he is still discovering his identity and trying to come to terms with it. This was no game plan.

From what his dad said on BOTS, a lot of the people closest to him already know, and he just didn't get the chance to tell everyone he wanted to before entering the house. I think being around such a diverse range of people in the house probably made him feel that it's totally okay to just be who he is without feeling the need to hide it, and hence the environment was right for him to come out - it was a safe environment where I feel he knew he would be accepted for who he is.

Cameron should be so, so proud of himself to have the courage to do what he did, and credit to the other housemates for making him feel secure enough to do so.

I'm so glad that his dad was so proud of him on BOTS.


...great response.

[Mystic Mock]

Hmm
Someone coming out on live tv before telling their family
Hmmm

This.

But also if he didn't want to come out on national TV then he didn't need to keep making an issue of it in front of the other Housemates, it might sound insensitive to say but there have been quite a few closeted gay contestants on BBUK over the years and none of them used it like it was a storyline out of EastEnders.

[Daniel-X]

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 :shrug: I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

[Garfie]

No not really? Just seeing through someone for what they are :shrug:

I don’t look for flaws in people at all, I just can spot a fraud when I see one.
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You state this as a fact, but it is actually only an opinion.

[GoldHeart]

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 :shrug: I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

He clearly want's to pretend he's Matt Lucas' character from Little Britain and act like he's the only gay in the village , and pretend everyone is against him . Despite nobody caring :sleep:. And i'm fed up of his age being brought up aswell , he's not a small child! , he might act like one but he's an adult ! :facepalm: .

If everything was that difficult and worrying for him he wouldn't of gone on BB in the first place and he would of kept his secret a SECRET ! .

[Garfie]

Babay it's not about "looking for faults" , we're just not gullible and we figure things out instead of following like sheep.
.

I've agreed with a lot of what you have said about housemates this series, and you've made some excellent posts.

However, it's not at all fair to refer to people with a different opinion to yours as 'gullible' and unable to 'figure things out instead of following like sheep'. This is just condescending and putting people down.

The fact is, you and lots of other people have one opinion, whereas others have a different opinion. But the fact is, all this is only OPINION.

[Elliot]

It’s also not fair to condescend and call people cynical for having an opinion on Cameron

[Amy Jade]

I wear my cynical badge with pride. Rather be a cynic than gullible.

[Mystic Mock]

Because of ALL THE PEOPLE stating you have to be gay to comment on the situation, obviously...

Which imo is a silly statement to make from those members.

If anything not being gay probably means that the straight members of the Forum are less likely to be emotionally involved on the subject and can smell bull**** when they see it.

But tbh on a show like Big Brother we all come away with different opinions from what we see which is the beauty of the programme, so having people trying to shut debate down is just gonna build resentment towards Cameron even more.

Btw I know that you're not doing this Oliver_W.

[GoldHeart]

I've agreed with a lot of what you have said about housemates this series, and you've made some excellent posts.

However, it's not at all fair to refer to people with a different opinion to yours as 'gullible' and unable to 'figure things out instead of following like sheep'. This is just condescending and putting people down.

The fact is, you and lots of other people have one opinion, whereas others have a different opinion. But the fact is, all this is only OPINION.

That's fine i understand .

But I don't expect you to have the same opinion as me :idc: , this is why this is a forum full of debates & different discussions . I'm just not falling for Cameron's "coming out" story :notimpressed: , yes i've said i'm cynical about things but in this case i think it's justified . But we're all free to believe what we want of course .

[bots]

I'm a cynic myself, and i would also say that announcing it in a game show opens it up to be questioned whereas in any "normal" circumstance, anybody worth bothering about it wouldnt bat an eyelid

[Mystic Mock]

I love that people who claim to watch the show and love it seem to forget that the 45 minutes we see isn’t ALL that happens. They are stuck in there with only their own thoughts and the same people all day, in fact I would argue that Cameron and Lewis are illustrative of that more than any housemates in a long time.

This argument can be used for every single Housemate on Ch5 when they've done something that's debatable on the Forum.

I'd like to believe that he is being genuine, but it does feel like he is trying to tick things off in his mind that he thinks will make himself standout enough to win the show.

[Garfie]

But tbh on a show like Big Brother we all come away with different opinions from what we see which is the beauty of the programme, so having people trying to shut debate down is just gonna build resentment.

This is a really important point. Just like in real life we will all have different perceptions of people, motives and actions, and we won't all like or trust the same people. And you're so right - it is the beauty of BB.

[Mystic Mock]

That's fine i understand .

But I don't expect you to have the same opinion as me :idc: , this is why this is a forum full of debates & different discussions . I'm just not falling for Cameron's "coming out" story :notimpressed: , yes i've said i'm cynical about things but in this case i think it's justified . But we're all free to believe what we want of course .

Don't Worry GoldHeart I'm the biggest cynic and conspiracy theorist on the Forum.:joker:

Btw credit to Babayaro for having one of the most active threads this week.:)

I love it when the Forum has a heated debate.

[Garfie]

That's fine i understand .

But I don't expect you to have the same opinion as me :idc: , this is why this is a forum full of debates & different discussions . I'm just not falling for Cameron's "coming out" story :notimpressed: , yes i've said i'm cynical about things but in this case i think it's justified . But we're all free to believe what we want of course .

I think we can all be cynical at times. :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

This is a really important point. Just like in real life we will all have different perceptions of people, motives and actions, and we won't all like or trust the same people. And you're so right - it is the beauty of BB.

And we don't want to lose this important element of BB, it can be hard to debate events enough without Live Feed, so I do love it when people like Cameron give us something to debate rather than nearly all of us agreeing on an event which happens a lot on BB nowadays sadly.

[Garfie]

And we don't want to lose this important element of BB, it can be hard to debate events enough without Live Feed, so I do love it when people like Cameron give us something to debate rather than nearly all of us agreeing on an event which happens a lot on BB nowadays sadly.

Yes, so true. After all, debate is what we all come here for. This makes me sad that BB is coming to an end.

[GoldHeart]

Don't Worry GoldHeart I'm the biggest cynic and conspiracy theorist on the Forum.:joker:

Btw credit to Babayaro for having one of the most active threads this week.:)

I love it when the Forum has a heated debate.

I'm glad i'm not the only one that finds the whole thing suspicious :hee: , every time i ask why did he go on national telly to announce it if he's soo anxious about coming out? nobody can give a plausible answer .

I have 2 theories he's either gay and been out the closet for a good while his family & friends already know but he's pretending he's confused /playing up his young age while still acting like he hasn't told anyone etc .

Or he's actually straight and he's playing the gay card to gain sympathy and a big following to glide his way to the final . While possibly lacking relationship experience in general .


Either way its very calculated and it screams soap opera :suspect: .

[rusticgal]

I'm glad i'm not the only one that finds the whole thing suspicious :hee: , every time i ask why did he go on national telly to announce it if he's soo anxious about coming out? nobody can give a plausible answer .

I have 2 theories he's either gay and been out the closet for a good while his family & friends already know but he's pretending he's confused /playing up his young age while still acting like he hasn't told anyone etc .

Or he's actually straight and he's playing the gay card to gain sympathy and a big following to glide his way to the final . While possibly lacking relationship experience in general .


Either way its very calculated and it screams soap opera :suspect: .

I think he found it hard to tell his friends..ex schoolmates etc as he mentioned them in the first week which I found odd. I think doing it this way softened the blow..so to speak because he didn't know what reaction he might get.

[Babayaro.]

I wear my cynical badge with pride. Rather be a cynic than gullible.

Must be terrible to have such a negative outlook on everything

[GoldHeart]

I think he found it hard to tell his friends..ex schoolmates etc as he mentioned them in the first week which I found odd. I think doing it this way softened the blow..so to speak because he didn't know what reaction he might get.

AGAIN makes no sense !! :facepalm: , he seemed more bothered & concerned about some old school mates who he probably never hangs around with . He didn't even mention his parent's . The whole thing screams FAKE ! . But maybe i'm just cynical :joker: .

[Shaun]

Is it just me, or is this incredibly insensitive? Like, what signs has there been to suggest that none of this has been genuine?

I suppose the fact that he was dropping hints about having something big to get off his chest since, like, Day 2 (when Lewis F asked him what kind of girls he goes for). Coupled with the facts that:

a) he's presumably a fan of the show and knows what gets fans
and b) is also a vlogger and quite aware of how to get attention on camera (although usually taking the "rant about feminism and lefties despite not having lived a day of adult life" route)

Adds up to a pretty cynical picture, really. Obviously no one on here can speak for his personal life / how "known" his sexuality was to his friends/family but even if it is a completely novel and new revelation to himself... to do that on television rather than private, and tell people who care about him first, is all kinds of opportunistic :unsure: EDIT: just seen a post claiming his parents knew. Fair enough, really, but even still... the idea of coming out on TV seems tacky to me.

I don't doubt that a large portion of the cynicism about this probably stems from a deeper dislike of Cameron but as someone who hasn't really watched since before he took a nosedive in popularity, I just generally got the impression that he was a contrived and try-hard personality just from his YouTube alone. Seems only inevitable that people would or indeed should accuse him of milking the cameras.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

okay I can't be the only person who finds this post in particular to be ****ing hilarious right

[Macie Lightfoot]

I suppose the fact that he was dropping hints about having something big to get off his chest since, like, Day 2 (when Lewis F asked him what kind of girls he goes for). Coupled with the facts that:

a) he's presumably a fan of the show and knows what gets fans
and b) is also a vlogger and quite aware of how to get attention on camera (although usually taking the "rant about feminism and lefties despite not having lived a day of adult life" route)

Adds up to a pretty cynical picture, really. Obviously no one on here can speak for his personal life / how "known" his sexuality was to his friends/family but even if it is a completely novel and new revelation to himself... to do that on television rather than private, and tell people who care about him first, is all kinds of opportunistic :unsure: EDIT: just seen a post claiming his parents knew. Fair enough, really, but even still... the idea of coming out on TV seems tacky to me.

I don't doubt that a large portion of the cynicism about this probably stems from a deeper dislike of Cameron but as someone who hasn't really watched since before he took a nosedive in popularity, I just generally got the impression that he was a contrived and try-hard personality just from his YouTube alone. Seems only inevitable that people would or indeed should accuse him of milking the cameras.

But yeah, this is exactly it for me. I'm like a solid 8-10 days behind so you can all just disregard my posts as someone who is ~uniformed~ or whatever, but just like Shaun said he was dropping not-so-subtle hints EARLY AS HELL, like in the first week when they were all naming their most attractive boy and girl and Cameron like physically squirmed at the thought of naming an attractive girl, insisted that he doesn't have a type BUT WITHOUT HESITATION LEWIS F IS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE DUDE YEAH. I don't even think anyone really has an issue with how he's coming out because lbr the vast majority of us are gays who've been there done that, but it's just more of like... who are you trying to fool sis? Am I *really* supposed to take you at face value when one day you'll have a DR analyzing everyone's gameplans and house dynamics and public voting trends and whatnot, and then the next day have some borderline teary, terribly coded DR about how you have A Secret that will have implications not only in the house but In Life?

I guess what it comes down to is that I'd be totally okay if this was a messy Craig Coates type of situation, but instead we're getting this contrived as **** "I'm going to consciously drive my own storyline that I have most likely developed entirely on my own terms before even entering the house" bull**** and like... we've already lived through Dexter Koh and Aaron and Siavash and literally SO MANY ****ING PEOPLE going all the way back to like... Ziggy or even Richard? It's just such a ****ing tired trope at this point.

[Headie]

Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

okay I can't be the only person who finds this post in particular to be ****ing hilarious right

Nope, that one sentence there literally defines what BBUK is all about lol, it's a show where you vote to evict people you don't like and actively look for reasons to vote someone you've never met off of an edited show you watch for an hour a day.

[Ammi]

..I don’t think his coming out is a game plan...although the thing that he’s chosen BB as the time and place to come out I guess he could link to being a way that could be beneficial gameplay as it were....so I don’t think it’s cynical either for thoughts to be that...it’s perfectly obvious and understandable that some people would suspect that also and not fair to attach the label of cynical....imo...


...anyways, some people who are open about their sexuality, just introduce partners etc...with no declaration as such ever being involved...everyone would be different with so many individual factors involved as well ...Being on BB is a once in a lifetime experience...something of monumental importance in a person’s life...so I think he’s tried to link two things together that hold such importance and significance for him..?....I’m trying to think of some kind of analogy...maybe like when people propose to someone at a Super Bowl or something...eeeek that’s probably a bit awful, that analogy...:laugh:...but it feels a bit like that for me...he’s a huge BB fan and has actually been chosen to become a housemate...omg what a dream come true...so coming out in his dream situation of the BB house, would just seem to fit into place for me as being perfect for him...he knows that those close to him already know his sexuality but this is him....I’m telling the world, omg I’m telling the god damn world....awwwwww :lovedup:...his way, his time, his place ...how many BB fans have actually been chosen as housemates so that this ‘perfect situation’ could happen ....

...but ya know, he can be a misery and a right royal pain of negativity at times and of course he’s very BB gameplay aware also...so I think cynical is completely understandable as well when he’s not always made himself very public popular...when I think about it, I think he probably intended to reveal earlier on...but the ‘right time’ was always possibly spoilt by some tantrum or drama or fallout or cauliflower or chicken or whatever...and ‘the right time’ would be such an important thing as well for him...that’s why in the Super Bowl proposals, they’re not right in the middle of the game while all eyes and highlights are on something else...


...he can still make himself quite unlikeable at times though..I have no idea why he would hero worship someone like Lewis but he seems to...and that creates such a negativity in him, almost like Lewis is contagious...don’t get too close to him otherwise you’ll catch the negativity disease with whinging and bitching complications adding to the illness...so I’m not sure whether he would be a great winner atm...he also wouldn’t be a bad one though...but for last night and him doing what he so wanted to do...Cameron..:love:...

[Cherie]

I like Cameron but if I were a friend of his I would be a bit pissed he didnt confide in me, but chose to out himself on TV after dropping great clangers of hints since day 1, he is gameplaying and I have no issue with that at all.

Daniel X in this thread :love:

[Ammi]

...I’m guessing and it is only a guess that could be completely wrong...that his family and close friends do know...but that he may not have actually said the words as such or even acknowledged anything they may have asked, type thing...and that they all know what he wanted to do in the house and completely understand and wouldn’t feel anything other than supportiveness...

[bots]

BB is a game show, and Cameron has brought that narrative into the game show, so by definition he is using it as part of his game plan. I don't know how people can see it any other way :laugh:

If it's a total lie then that could bring some negativity, sure, but I dont believe anyone cares that much. The majority of male hm's in the show are gay, so its not exactly a USP :laugh:

[Ammi]

...maybe being chosen for BB has been connected to him choosing a ‘public coming out’ to everyone who knows him, not just those he’s closer to...which he might not have intended to do in his outside life...so it has been a deciding factor...with forethought, yes...but calculated gameplay...not necessarily...anyway, hopefully he’s feeling all kinds of happy in himself now and I’m so happy for him...:lovedup:..

[Beso]

Maybe Cameron thought that when he was in the house and on national tv, that he wouldn't be able to hide the fact that he was gay. Maybe he thinks he looks and acts gay, whatever that is!

So he felt like he had to come clean, but he still can't say the word gay, not even whilst coming out so that could be why he always skirted round the issue.

[Beso]

Small town boy moves to London to explore and reveal his sexuality. This has been going on since the 50s so I'm not sure why it's such a surprise Cameron did the same.

[Babayaro.]

okay I can't be the only person who finds this post in particular to be ****ing hilarious right

How?

[Babayaro.]

Nope, that one sentence there literally defines what BBUK is all about lol, it's a show where you vote to evict people you don't like and actively look for reasons to vote someone you've never met off of an edited show you watch for an hour a day.

Speak for yourself lol

[Babayaro.]

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

[mizzy25]

I don't actually care if it is a gamplan, its made for great tv imo

[AProducer'sWetDream]

It reminds me a lot of my own experience of coming out when I moved to university tbh. I wasn't out at home but I knew people at uni would be very accepting and I wanted to start living my life, so to speak. However, I was very scared of saying the actual words and being fully open about it because I had this paranoia that it would somehow spread to my friends back home if I was open about it. So I would try and make it obvious while never actually saying the words, 'I'm gay' :joker:

[Garfie]

It reminds me a lot of my own experience of coming out when I moved to university tbh. I wasn't out at home but I knew people at uni would be very accepting and I wanted to start living my life, so to speak. However, I was very scared of saying the actual words and being fully open about it because I had this paranoia that it would somehow spread to my friends back home if I was open about it. So I would try and make it obvious while never actually saying the words, 'I'm gay' :joker:

This is totally understandable, as is Cameron's decision. I think it must be about discovering the right environment where you feel free enough to be yourself around people you know will accept you for who you are. For you it was Uni and for Cameron it was the BB house.

I think it's great you've shared your story, and would hope it will enable people to be more understanding, and to see Cameron's decision from another perspective.

[bots]

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

it would be nice if people talked about the housemates rather than about forum members

[Babayaro.]

it would be nice if people talked about the housemates rather than about forum members

Show me where in the forum rules it states that members can't discuss other members.


Good attempt at going down the "discuss hm8s not members" route, though. :thumbs:

[Elliot]

Idk some people just don’t like it when you derail a discussion by getting personal and bitching about other members

[Babayaro.]

Idk some people just don’t like it when you derail a discussion by getting personal and bitching about other members

Getting personal?? :joker: So quite rightly stating that there's people on the forum who are constantly negative, is getting personal now?


Believe me, I'm the last person to start getting personal with someone.

[smudgie]

He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes

Yes, I would have to agree.
Shame as it was his storyline.

[Elliot]

Let’s all stick to discussing Cameron Cole and his coming out then instead of insisting that bbfan3030 is an awful person for having an opinion on a game show

[RileyH]

Everything about him just bugs the HELL out of me I can't help it

[Toy Soldier]

Until last night I'd have said yes as it seemed bizarre that he would think people don't already know; but last night he made it clear that he was aware that, obviously everyone already knows and it wasn't so much a coming out as the "big moment" of actually being able to SAY "yes, I'm gay" even though everyone already knew?

I dunno. In my experience of people coming out (which admittedly, isn't huge) it seems pretty rare that people surrounding them are actually shocked, most knew already or had a good idea, its literally just that moment of the person themself accepting it and choosing to actually live as a gay person / pursue relationships, which IS a big moment, rather than just knowing internally that they "like people of the same sex".

[bots]

Show me where in the forum rules it states that members can't discuss other members.


Good attempt at going down the "discuss hm8s not members" route, though. :thumbs:

the rules state:

Do not make generalised insults towards fans of housemates or contestants, in forum discussions about Big Brother or other TV shows.

[Jarrod]

I had this debate with someone on Twitter. Coming out is a weird thing to do, and everyone does it in a different way. Cameron told his family but didn't have much time between telling his family and going into hiding for the launch.

Yes, he wasn't very subtle about it throughout but when you're in an environment like Big Brother everything is heightened anyway and therefore probably affected how he wanted to do things. I don't doubt that it's genuine and it's tough for someone to have to come to terms with, especially while in a game show like Big Brother.

I know how tough it is to actually be able to say it out loud in the first place, which is why he asked Lewis to ask him a yes or no question, and I think that's just another step in being able to comfortably be himself. I think what we've seen from him so far has been a bit of inner struggle and that he's been battling on whether to actually say it or not, so hopefully now he can calm down and enjoy his time in there a bit more.

[Babayaro.]

Let’s all stick to discussing Cameron Cole and his coming out then instead of insisting that bbfan3030 is an awful person for having an opinion on a game show

Was anyone doing this?

[Babayaro.]

the rules state:

Do not make generalised insults towards fans of housemates or contestants, in forum discussions about Big Brother or other TV shows.

Saying someone is negative is hardly an insult lol. If you get offended by that, then it says more about you than it does the person saying it.

Anyway, lets not with the mini modding, and let the actual mods decide whether something is against the forum rules or not.

[Jarrod]

Reading back - why is it so hard for this forum to just stick to a bloody topic without going onto an argument :rolleyes:

[Babayaro.]

Reading back - why is it so hard for this forum to just stick to a bloody topic without going onto an argument :rolleyes:

The negativity thing does stem from this topic tbf

[Mitchell]

To add to this, I understand coming out can be difficult for some people to pluck up the courage. Still though, myself and I assume most other people would find it a lot easier to come out to strangers than people you already know. Which just makes this seem even fishier.

Sorry, just not BUYING what she’s selling.
I can only speak from experience, but I still find it difficult to say to someone that I’m gay, I’ve been out for 7 years and have had pretty much all positivity, but I still get scared telling people, if they’re strangers or not.


Saying them words were NOT easy
Yep, totally agree


I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 :shrug: I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

I may be gullible, but the way I see it is that his parents know, but he didn’t have time to tell others and he thought he could last the time in the house without saying it.

I may be seeing things differently though, cos I’m not paying much attention to the show as it’s pretty crap this series and highly inferior to The Circle so I watch BB on record

I had this debate with someone on Twitter. Coming out is a weird thing to do, and everyone does it in a different way. Cameron told his family but didn't have much time between telling his family and going into hiding for the launch.

Yes, he wasn't very subtle about it throughout but when you're in an environment like Big Brother everything is heightened anyway and therefore probably affected how he wanted to do things. I don't doubt that it's genuine and it's tough for someone to have to come to terms with, especially while in a game show like Big Brother.

I know how tough it is to actually be able to say it out loud in the first place, which is why he asked Lewis to ask him a yes or no question, and I think that's just another step in being able to comfortably be himself. I think what we've seen from him so far has been a bit of inner struggle and that he's been battling on whether to actually say it or not, so hopefully now he can calm down and enjoy his time in there a bit more.
I pretty much agree with all of this.]

[Twosugars]

I'm of both opinions :D
Pleased for him admitting who he is but can't help feeling he overegged it.
I don't see anything wrong with him thinking a coming out could be used as a vote winner. Why not? People have been doing some sort of sympathy-getting revelations for as long as rtv exist.
But those heavy hints... everybody knew the moment he first opened his mouth about it. After that it was just annoying to watch as he strings it out for as long as possible.
And he should say the words! Not just "yes". A mate of mine made me do that and would not accept a yes, that's a cop out.

[Amy Jade]

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

If anything you are the one spreading negativity with topics like this calling forum members names and insinuating their presence on the forum drags it down in general for daring to have a different opinion than yourself.

[Matthew.]

I think it’s unfair for us to immediately go “That’s a gameplan” because like somebody else said, we don’t know what’s going through his head. And I say that as someone who doesn’t like Cameron

[Amy Jade]

I think it’s unfair for us to immediately go “That’s a gameplan” because like somebody else said, we don’t know what’s going through his head. And I say that as someone who doesn’t like Cameron

Why is it not fair? Did he not put himself on the show? Im genuinely confused by people being so opposed to other people calling out a posdible game plan on a game show

[Babayaro.]

If anything you are the one spreading negativity with topics like this calling forum members names and insinuating their presence on the forum drags it down in general for daring to have a different opinion than yourself.

Calling people names? What, cynical and negative?

Grow up.

[Amy Jade]

Calling people names? What, cynical and negative?

Grow up.

It's genuinely laughable that you start a topic trying to put people down for questioning a housemates motivations and accusing them of making the forum a negative place while simultaneously talking down to people and getting personal.

:laugh2:

[Babayaro.]

It's genuinely laughable that you start a topic trying to put people down for questioning a housemates motivations and accusing them of making the forum a negative place while simultaneously talking down to people and getting personal.

:laugh2:

I'm simply defending myself :shrug:

I don't know a single thing about you to get personal. I stated that there's members on here who are constantly negative and people got pissy about that and decided to throw in the whole "discuss housemates not members" spiel and saying that I was getting personal, which I wasn't. Did I start blubbering after being called gullible? No. :)

[GoldHeart]

It's genuinely laughable that you start a topic trying to put people down for questioning a housemates motivations and accusing them of making the forum a negative place while simultaneously talking down to people and getting personal.

:laugh2:

Yeah I don't know why this has to turn into arguments , we don't all have to believe or like Cameron .

[Elliot]

Honestly my whole thing with Cameron is like he seems a very angry person, and as if he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe this chip is his sexuality, it’s yet to be seen. He’ll go up in my estimations if he does a serious self evaluation and realises it’s not fair to take that type of anger out on someone innocent like akeem. Cam was one of my early favourite because initially I kinda related to him but he’s been nothing but antagonistic and self centred in that house. He turned the Kay situation into something about himself, he’s awful to akeem. Him coming out doesn’t change any of this unless he actually improves himself or his demeanour genuinely. He’s done things in the house to prove he’s not trustworthy and I think for a lot of people he has to earn their trust back

[GoldHeart]

Honestly my whole thing with Cameron is like he seems a very angry person, and as if he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe this chip is his sexuality, it’s yet to be seen. He’ll go up in my estimations if he does a serious self evaluation and realises it’s not fair to take that type of anger out on someone innocent like akeem. Cam was one of my early favourite because initially I kinda related to him but he’s been nothing but antagonistic and self centred in that house. He turned the Kay situation into something about himself, he’s awful to akeem. Him coming out doesn’t change any of this unless he actually improves himself or his demeanour genuinely. He’s done things in the house to prove he’s not trustworthy and I think for a lot of people he has to earn their trust back

He's not earning my trust as I never trusted him and never will :joker: .

And I think he'll try the sympathy woe is me act for a while :bored: ,but he'll be as transparent as Tomasz as niether of them can keep up their new persona's .

[Glenn.]

If it is a game plan what’s the problem? It IS a game.

[Jack_]

If it is a game plan what’s the problem? It IS a game.

Precisely, five pages of this crap now and I'm yet to discover what the problem is

If it's real good for him, if it's a game plan good for him even moreso

[Vicky.]

If it is a game plan what’s the problem? It IS a game.

Quite.

[GoldHeart]

Quite.

What if his sexuality is a lie ? Is it still ok then for his game plan ?? :bored:

[Twosugars]

If it is a game plan what’s the problem? It IS a game.

nothing tbh
the antagonism in this thread is more to do with the fact that people talking about gameplan tend not to like him and people praising his coming out do.
That's sort of muddles the issue as most would be glad about the coming out as such.
I'm glad he came out and don't mind it being a gameplan. The only thing that annoys me is how awkward the run-up to it was :shrug:

[Twosugars]

What if his sexuality is a lie ? Is it still ok then for his game plan ?? :bored:

so you saying he lied to his family about his sexuality? :conf:
I think you may be taking it a bit far

[Garfie]

I had this debate with someone on Twitter. Coming out is a weird thing to do, and everyone does it in a different way. Cameron told his family but didn't have much time between telling his family and going into hiding for the launch.

Yes, he wasn't very subtle about it throughout but when you're in an environment like Big Brother everything is heightened anyway and therefore probably affected how he wanted to do things. I don't doubt that it's genuine and it's tough for someone to have to come to terms with, especially while in a game show like Big Brother.

I know how tough it is to actually be able to say it out loud in the first place, which is why he asked Lewis to ask him a yes or no question, and I think that's just another step in being able to comfortably be himself. I think what we've seen from him so far has been a bit of inner struggle and that he's been battling on whether to actually say it or not, so hopefully now he can calm down and enjoy his time in there a bit more.

:clap1:

[Vicky.]

What if his sexuality is a lie ? Is it still ok then for his game plan ?? :bored:

I don't really care what his sexuality is. As it happens, I think its less about being gay and more about hating women. I think its possible he is confused. But his sexuality is none of my business...and yes, even if he is actually straight and its all a gameplan, its a good one IMO :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

so you saying he lied to his family about his sexuality? :conf:
I think you may be taking it a bit far

His family already knows . Plus even if they didn't they're not going to drop him in it .

It just makes the whole fuss unnecessary,why go on national telly to announce it . Clearly he thinks that defines him as he's such a unlikable person so he needs to put emphasis on his sexuality ,I find that pathetic .

Brooke just casually gets on with things,her sexuality doesn't & shouldn't define her .

[fred7853]

what about his high school mates that report on twitter hes been gay for ages. Sounds like the defining piece of the jigsaw to me. So game plan it is and if I might say so, its a pretty pathetic and nasty one at that.

[GoldHeart]

what about his high school mates that report on twitter hes been gay for ages. Sounds like the defining piece of the jigsaw to me. So game plan it is and if I might say so, its a pretty pathetic and nasty one at that.

:clap1:

His dad said the family already Knows . He clearly had this publicity stunt planned for a while :sleep: .

[Babayaro.]

Anyone got a link to these tweets?