Can we put a ban on Hussain being called a Rat

[Denver]

When applied to a person, such a comparison is dehumanizing, and in application to marginalized populations, there is a history of such dehumanization being used to justify violence towards members of those groups. In the case of the Jewish community, the Nazis likened Jews to rats and other vermin in order to justify exterminating us. So, it is definitely not something you should say about someone, especially someone Jewish or a member of a marginalized group that has been similarly persecuted and treated as less than human.

For this reason as it is totally unacceptable

[bots]

Take it up with Admin

[Matthew.]

they don’t mean it in that context though

[Denver]

they don’t mean it in that context though

It is still Dehumanising a housemate which is against forum rules

[Denver]

they don’t mean it in that context though

Tbh i am almost certain they call him Rat because of his looks

[Cherie]

Tbh i am almost certain they call him Rat because of his looks

Yes someone said he looked like a rat which is complete nonsense

[Denver]

Yes someone said he looked like a rat which is complete nonsense

Which could be seen as Racist as some rats are brown and scrawny?

[Elliot]

we all know why he's being referred to as a rat and its actually quite disgusting

[Kazanne]

we all know why he's being referred to as a rat and its actually quite disgusting

but it's not disgusting YOU calling Lewis a wife beater all the time,when it's made up crap,practice what you preach

[Denver]

we all know why he's being referred to as a rat and its actually quite disgusting

I would like to know why you think it is?

[Denver]

but it's not disgusting YOU calling Lewis a wife beater all the time,when it's made up crap,practice what you preach

So calling someone a woman beater is worse then racism?

[James]

Unsure. I just did a quick search for the word 'rat' on the forum, and a number of housemates have been described as that this series.

[Denver]

Unsure. I just did a quick search for the word 'rat' on the forum, and a number of housemates have been described as that this series.

Can we just ban it in any use as an insult?

[Elliot]

but it's not disgusting YOU calling Lewis a wife beater all the time,when it's made up crap,practice what you preach

exactly practice what you preach and police ur own possy and its racism towards hussain and rapist comments about akeem

[bots]

Unsure. I just did a quick search for the word 'rat' on the forum, and a number of housemates have been described as that this series.

Cameron has been called rat boy on numerous occasions

[Nancy.]

Actually, I think you'll find Lewis called him a rat in the diary room last week and it kinda stuck for me. but while we're at it, Lewis detractors needs to stop calling him a woman / wifebeater. It's ridiculous, not to mention slanderous.

[Cherie]

can I still call Zoe a snake because she is one :hehe:

[Denver]

Can we not have a thread without Lewis being brought in?

[Matthew.]

i know that if i was to call someone a rat, it would be because i felt they were untrustworthy or sneaky.

[Matthew.]

can I still call Zoe a snake because she is one :hehe:

:joker:

[Nancy.]

but it's not disgusting YOU calling Lewis a wife beater all the time,when it's made up crap,practice what you preach

:clap1: Yes, Kaz. The hypocrisy is astounding

[arista]

Can we just ban it in any use as an insult?


But loads of us just use it
as a typical housemate insult
meaning he is a dirty rat.

[Denver]

i know that if i was to call someone a rat, it would be because i felt they were untrustworthy or sneaky.

But that would describe the characteristics of a snake

[Elliot]

hussain has been specifically referred to as a rat by multiple members who have never used said word before. its its clear as day why

[Kazanne]

exactly practice what you preach and police ur own possy and its racism towards hussain and rapist comments about akeem

racism my arse only in the eyes who want to be offended over everything,get a grip, we used to call Dexter Ratboy as some people do resemble animals.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I don't see the problem with calling someone a rat... Someone called a rat to me means sneaky and not comparing them to Jews at all

[arista]

can I still call Zoe a snake because she is one :hehe:



Yes Snakes are clever sneaks

[Elliot]

racism my arse only in the eyes who want to be offended over everything,get a grip, we used to call Dexter Ratboy as some people do resemble animals.

so you think hussain resembles a rat?

yikes

[Matthew.]

But that would describe the characteristics of a snake

but isn’t that dehumanising as well though?

[Kazanne]

:clap1: Yes, Kaz. The hypocrisy is astounding

Aint that the truth to me calling someone a rat means they are furtive and sneaky nowt to do with bloody race.

[Denver]

racism my arse only in the eyes who want to be offended over everything,get a grip, we used to call Dexter Ratboy as some people do resemble animals.

If you are saying he looks like a rat it is kind of Racist

[Elliot]

' get offended over everything'

> brushes aside racism that you just admitted
> makes a thread crying over a joke about roxanne pallett

[Kazanne]

so you think hussain resembles a rat?

yikes

I have never called him a rat,or never said he looks like one,did you read the post? what are you on?

[Denver]

but isn’t that dehumanising as well though?

It can be but a rat is worse as in the context of the OP

It is use to make someone feel like nothing and treating like vermon

[Nancy.]

Aint that the truth to me calling someone a rat means they are furtive and sneaky nowt to do with bloody race.

Exactly. It's just snowflakes making mountains out of molehills again.

[Elliot]

a forum member just admitted he's being called a rat because of his appearances so can we ban it since the racial connotations are clear as day and if they wanna cry over an out of context joke i think this is within its right

[Matthew.]

It can be but a rat is worse as in the context of the OP

It is use to make someone feel like nothing and treating like vermon

well like i said before, if i were to call someone a rat, it would mean i don’t trust them. nothing to do with appearance, and definitely not that i want that person dead

[Kazanne]

If you are saying he looks like a rat it is kind of Racist

Never ever called Hussain a rat, I don't know where that's been plucked from,loads of people are compared to animals without reaching for their dictionaries,dogs,snakes,rats,cougars,cows,trouts, I could go on.stop being offended by everything and jumping on the racism bandwagon it spoils the forum.

[Nancy.]

a forum member just admitted he's being called a rat because of his appearances so can we ban it since the racial connotations are clear as day and if they wanna cry over an out of context joke i think this is within its right

Lewis called him a rat because of his sneaky ways and I happen to agree with him. Nothing to do with race. Go cry elsewhere and stop throwing around flase accusations and labelling L a "Woman beater" when he clearly isn't.

[Jack_]

Can we put a ban on insulting Cameron's appearance? Especially when many of them have quite rightly lambasted others for doing similar in the past

People on this forum and the wider Big Brother community on Twitter need to grow up with all of these petty, childish insults - it's a television show for Christ sake. Every year April Lewis is proven more and more right

[Matthew.]

If you are saying he looks like a rat it is kind of Racist

does that mean if someone were to say cameron looks a tiny bit like sid the sloth, that would be a racist comment too? not having a go, just curious

[Elliot]

Lewis called him a rat because of his sneaky ways and I happen to agree with him. Nothing to do with race. Go cry elsewhere and stop throwing around flase accusations and labelling L a "Woman beater" when he clearly isn't.

you took my post out of context and yours is damming even with considering someone just admitted he's being called a rat because of his looks

[Underscore]

I hate the word snowflake because I get called it all the time by the right wing but you’re literally being a snowflake because someone is calling your favourite a rat, when it happens every series and to a majority of housemates with similar housemates, quit being a snowflake

[Denver]

does that mean if someone were to say cameron looks a tiny bit like sid the sloth, that would be a racist comment too? not having a go, just curious

But Rats are sometimes brown and scrawny so surely you can see the point?

[Matthew.]

But Rats are sometimes brown and scrawny so surely you can see the point?

yeah i can kinda see the point but i’m 100% sure that’s not what people mean when they call hussain a rat

[Elliot]

Can we put a ban on insulting Cameron's appearance? Especially when many of them have quite rightly lambasted others for doing similar in the past

People on this forum and the wider Big Brother community on Twitter need to grow up with all of these petty, childish insults - it's a television show for Christ sake. Every year April Lewis is proven more and more right

i agree with this to an extent but you can see the difference of severity between people calling hussain a rat because of his looks and people calling cameron slender man because of his?

[Kazanne]

yeah i can kinda see the point but i’m 100% sure that’s not what people mean when they call hussain a rat

Of course it isn't ,who reaches for a dictionary every time they post,it's ridiculous, very soon we wont be able to post anything for fear of offending someone.

[James]

It does get annoying on here when posters refer to a housemate by a (negative) nickname in every post, instead of using their names. It's repetitive.

But that's not the same as referring to a housemate with a word which actually means 'sneaky'.

[clairefromsomewhereinnort]

For this reason as it is totally unacceptable

OK Let s just call him a d i c k h e a d like he deserves ?

[Jack_]

i agree with this to an extent but you can see the difference of severity between people calling hussain a rat because of his looks and people calling cameron slender man because of his?

Both are petty, pointless and of no relevance whatsoever. How does a housemates appearance have any bearing as to what they're like as a housemate? Unless you're remarking that you find them attractive, I don't see any reason why it needs to be brought up. It's Big Brother, not Next Top Model

It's like a school playground on this forum, calling Hussain a rat, insulting Cameron's teeth, calling women 'slags' and 'slappers', insulting Tomasz's weight, etc etc etc, the list goes on. And it's the same crap every year, here and on social media. It's time people in the Big Brother fandom got some perspective, stepped away from the TV, and grew up a little

[Rob!]

Can we put a ban on insulting Cameron's appearance? Especially when many of them have quite rightly lambasted others for doing similar in the past

People on this forum and the wider Big Brother community on Twitter need to grow up with all of these petty, childish insults - it's a television show for Christ sake. Every year April Lewis is proven more and more right

This as well as referring to Tomasz as a whale. It’s ****ing disgusting. Even if you hate a housemate, judge them on that. You wouldn’t call people things like that to their face so what the hell gives you the right to sit behind a computer screen and do it?

[Denver]

OK Let s just call him a d i c k h e a d like he deserves ?

But does he? he has never been nasty or anything of the kind and has tried being nice

[Rob!]

As far as I was aware, it was a rule of the forum that personal nasty comments about housemates appearances was banned anyway

[Matthew.]

yeah people shouldn’t be calling Tomasz a whale, that’s pretty awful

[Jack_]

As far as I was aware, it was a rule of the forum that personal nasty comments about housemates appearances was banned anyway

DS clamped down on this a while back and frankly this should be adopted word for word:

With the new series of Celebrity Big Brother having started tonight we want to take the time to remind you that we want discussion on this forum to be constructive, civil and free from personal derogatory comments. What this means is that you can by all means voice how much you like / dislike a housemate and you can give criticism and your opinion as to why this might be. What we don't want to see are personal insults about appearance, homophobic or transphobic posts, sexist comments, comments about sexuality and how someone is a "slapper" or "slag" etc.

We have already had to take action against comments of this nature and this should go without saying really. Please keep the level of discourse civil, fun and remember that you are talking about other people.

[Rob!]

DS clamped down on this a while back and frankly this should be adopted word for word:

It’s the same people year after year that do it regardless of how many reports their posts get. Normally the type of people that wouldn’t even post in MTM either coincidently enough :hee:

[rusticgal]

So calling someone a woman beater is worse then racism?

Its not worse but its just as bad..anyway why has racism come into it?. Hussain is being called Rat boy..probably in relation to his build and sneaky gameplay... Lewis gets called a thug and wife beater...The spiteful remarks made about Cameron and Zoe about their features are equally disturbing...but you haven't commented on that have you?

[Cherie]

Its not worse but its just as bad..anyway why has racism come into it?. Hussain is being called Rat boy..probably in relation to his build and sneaky gameplay... Lewis gets called a thug and wife beater...The spiteful remarks made about Cameron and Zoe about their features are equally disturbing...but you haven't commented on that have you?

I stand by calling Zoe a snake because she is :smug:

[rusticgal]

But does he? he has never been nasty or anything of the kind and has tried being nice

Well not in your opinion...but other people see him differently.

[Rob!]

I stand by calling Zoe a snake because she is :smug:

But that’s fine, that’s based on her behaviour in the house, it’s nothing to do with her personal appearance.

Incidentally, calling Hussain a rat could be taken either way. If I read that, I’d assume it was because of his attempts at gameplay rather than what he looked like

[Beso]

A **** is brown and smelly, am i allowed to call him a ****?

[Cherie]

But that’s fine, that’s based on her behaviour in the house, it’s nothing to do with her personal appearance.

Incidentally, calling Hussain a rat could be taken either way. If I read that, I’d assume it was because of his attempts at gameplay rather than what he looked like

I don't refer to people by their physical appearance, never have and never will ,I think the use of the word rat could be construed as dodgy though also the wife beater comments are unacceptable though I confess I haven't seen it

[Denver]

Well not in your opinion...but other people see him differently.

All he did was expose Lewis and Cameron

[rusticgal]

I stand by calling Zoe a snake because she is :smug:

Cherie there is nothing wrong with that at all...because it refers to someones character traits.

Its the unkind remarks about her face...like its been stamped on etc..personal and cruel and unnecessary.

[Nancy.]

Cherie there is nothing wrong with that at all...because it refers to someones character traits.

Its the unkind remarks about her face...like its been stamped on etc..personal and cruel and unnecessary.

Gosh, that's harsh.
I think Zoe is attractive. She kind of reminds me of Jess Glynn in a way.

[rusticgal]

All he did was expose Lewis and Cameron

He hasn't exposed anything...he is simply targeting them..then he is going to find another target. He is all the big I am..cocky and arrogant by his own admission...and to many that equates to a Dickhead.
You love him because he is gunning for the 2 housemates you dislike the most..wait until he targets one of your favorites..you might not see him in the same light as you do now :laugh:

[Denver]

He hasn't exposed anything...he is simply targeting them..then he is going to find another target. He is all the big I am..cocky and arrogant by his own admission...and to many that equates to a Dickhead.
You love him because he is gunning for the 2 housemates you dislike the most..wait until he targets one of your favorites..you might not see him in the same light as you do now :laugh:

You literally just described Lewis.

Hussain is doing the exact same as everyone in their but only he and Tomasz have balls to admit it

[Babayaro.]

Oh you have to laugh!

[poppsywoppsy]

The term "Dirty Rat" has been with us for decades.

The old Cagney black and white films are famous for using this term but describing white men.

It is not about looks or race but about persona, behaviour and how you treat others.

[bots]

Trump has used the term rat to describe those that take a plea deal, it is also a common gangster term

[Cherie]

Cherie there is nothing wrong with that at all...because it refers to someones character traits.

Its the unkind remarks about her face...like its been stamped on etc..personal and cruel and unnecessary.

I must admit I can't be reading the threads very well as I have not seen that, but yes totally uncalled for

[Black Dagger]

Yeah and we can put a ban on Lewis being called a woman beater while we are at it.

[smudgie]

You do get white rats as well, not all rats are brown, how the chuff it can be seen as racist is beyond me.:shrug:

[poppsywoppsy]

You do get white rats as well, not all rats are brown, how the chuff it can be seen as racist is beyond me.:shrug:

Also, is it not a derivative of ratting on someone, something Hussain would have little trouble in doing, according to his own self serving remarks.

[Vanessa]

Why? He certainly acts like one. All sneaky and slippery.

[ConnorTheJudge]

It's not meant in a racist way. Either put a ban on any housemate being called a rat or none.

[Nancy.]

But does he? he has never been nasty or anything of the kind and has tried being nice

So being nice now means ignoring people who try to speak to you 3 times when you first meet them, refusing point blank to get someone a glass of water (when asked nicely), trying to cause an argument by hiding L's blanket and pretending he was "tidying up" - after telling Brooke he thought they should do it themselves?

and that's just with Lewis... look at how many times he's been nasty with Cameron.

[Vanessa]

So being nice now means ignoring people who try to speak to you 3 times when you first meet them, refusing point blank to get him a glass of water (when asked nicely) and trying to cause an argument by hiding L's blanket and pretending he was "tidying up" - after telling Brooke he thought they should tidy up after themselves?

and that's just with Lewis... look at how many times he's been nasty with Cameron.
Cameron won't take any nonsense from Hussain. He will put him in his place.

[Nancy.]

He hasn't exposed anything...he is simply targeting them..then he is going to find another target. He is all the big I am..cocky and arrogant by his own admission...and to many that equates to a Dickhead.
You love him because he is gunning for the 2 housemates you dislike the most..wait until he targets one of your favorites..you might not see him in the same light as you do now :laugh:

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[ConnorTheJudge]

All he did was expose Lewis and Cameron
When he had that argument with Cameron in the bedroom, he made a real fool of himself.

[Northern Monkey]

Never called him a rat but i’d guess people aren’t being racist when calling him it(never heard of rat as a racist term anyway) but are calling him it because of his scrawny little rat face maybe.

[pontyboi]

What about the rats feelings? Double standards.

[Northern Monkey]

You do get white rats as well, not all rats are brown, how the chuff it can be seen as racist is beyond me.:shrug:

Everything can be seen as racist these days

[Vicky.]

I don't think we can blanket ban people being called rats as it happens every year. I do think constantly saying 'rat boy' instead of his name is ridiculous though and not quite the same as using rat as an insult once or twice, and this started with one member but yesterday I saw another 2 pick it up. Its pathetic tbh. Just like the housemate nicknames that usually run rampant but luckily we don't seem to have had this year so far.

(And I also agree with people not calling Lewis a wifebeater. But it looks like thats already sorted as the threads closed and James replied twice)

[jaxie]

Never called him a rat but i’d guess people aren’t being racist when calling him it(never heard of rat as a racist term anyway) but are calling him it because of his scrawny little rat face maybe.

Or because they think he has a ratbag personality tendencies?

I think this is a bit of a OTT thread as is the Lewis one but people do like to clutch when it comes to favourites.

[Northern Monkey]

Or because they think he has a ratbag personality tendencies?

I think this is a bit of a OTT thread as is the Lewis one but people do like to clutch when it comes to favourites.

Yeah. “rat” was used by the American Italian Mafia for people who informed on them to the cops or “ratted them out”.
It’s a character trait meaning sly or two faced.

[Denver]

So being nice now means ignoring people who try to speak to you 3 times when you first meet them, refusing point blank to get someone a glass of water (when asked nicely), trying to cause an argument by hiding L's blanket and pretending he was "tidying up" - after telling Brooke he thought they should do it themselves?

and that's just with Lewis... look at how many times he's been nasty with Cameron.

He isnt a slave

[chuff me dizzy]

So being nice now means ignoring people who try to speak to you 3 times when you first meet them, refusing point blank to get someone a glass of water (when asked nicely), trying to cause an argument by hiding L's blanket and pretending he was "tidying up" - after telling Brooke he thought they should do it themselves?

and that's just with Lewis... look at how many times he's been nasty with Cameron.

:clap1: Hes a rat through and through

[Nancy.]

He isnt a slave

No one's asking him to be, but he should be consistent instead of saying one thing and then doing another.

[Nancy.]

:clap1: Hes a rat through and through

:wavey:

He doesn't strike me as a nice bloke at all, Chuff. Quite the opposite.

[GoldHeart]

Which could be seen as Racist as some rats are brown and scrawny?

The only person I've called a rat is Cameron with his behavior and yellow fangs .

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

RATTY RAT RAT RAT RAT rAT

[rusticgal]

Yeah. “rat” was used by the American Italian Mafia for people who informed on them to the cops or “ratted them out”.
It’s a character trait meaning sly or two faced.

He really is a rat then..:laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

He really is a rat then..:laugh:

100% rat

[reece(:]

Rat's are sneaky, rat out people to each other etc... I don't see the racist connotation

But I also got shtick as an apparent racist for calling out Isaac as a thug for his aggressive behaviour (which I also said about Conor on his series).. people are just selectively looking for -ists these days

[rph]

Nope i aint gonna stop calling him what he is - a rat - sneaky player who should be gone asap

[Lostie!]

Which could be seen as Racist as some rats are brown and scrawny?

Jesus Christ

[hijaxers]

So calling someone a woman beater is worse then racism?

FGS stop bringing racism into it , any excuse it serms.

[Marsh.]

Can we also put a ban on fat shaming?

Or do you only appeal if you actually like the person, Adam?

[Marsh.]

Which could be seen as Racist as some rats are brown and scrawny?

:facepalm:

[Vicky.]

Closing this as its going nowhere good anyway. if James decides to ban this then he can still post in closed threads.

Personally I do think its childish to whenever you are posting about him call him 'rat boy' though (this is different to saying he is a rat in a post, this is every time). Same as I find the pathetic nicknames housemates usually get childish...mind I suppose this is exactly the same as the pathetic nicknames and I know that one year, one of them got so overused with a few members doing it that James had to add one of them to the swear filter. So I guess, if it continues with many other members picking it up, there is a chance.


People on this forum and the wider Big Brother community on Twitter need to grow up with all of these petty, childish insults - it's a television show for Christ sake. Every year April Lewis is proven more and more right

How does a housemates appearance have any bearing as to what they're like as a housemate? Unless you're remarking that you find them attractive, I don't see any reason why it needs to be brought up. It's Big Brother, not Next Top Model

It's like a school playground on this forum, calling Hussain a rat, insulting Cameron's teeth, calling women 'slags' and 'slappers', insulting Tomasz's weight, etc etc etc, the list goes on. And it's the same crap every year, here and on social media. It's time people in the Big Brother fandom got some perspective, stepped away from the TV, and grew up a little

Can we also put a ban on fat shaming?



Also, all good points tbh. Some people only seem bothered when its someone they like on the recieving end, and are happy to insult appearances and stuff any other time. Where the more mature members think its ridiculous whoever it is.