Why Didn't He do something???

[GoldHeart]

He's pretty much confirmed everything Hussain said about him by just sitting and smirking like a pathetic wimp ! .

Didn't he say earlier on that he "might not be able to keep his cool" with Hussain yet when the perfect opportunity comes up for him to do something ,he just sit there and stares at Hussain like a dummy! .

And before people say Lewis was ignoring him and blah blah , why didn't he atleast tell Zoe to calm down and he could of stood up and held her back ??:suspect: , he enjoyed seeing her kick off like a guest from Jeremy kyle show . He had such glee in his face when Zoe went charging across the garden like a chav wanting her fish & chips for free ! .

He just sat there and made little digs about hussain under his breath . This is dejavu with Lewis G all over again :bored: . Lewis has no balls ! .

[deanmontague]

What would he have gained from replying to hussein?

A fight, a resolution, a hug? a friend?

No. he'd have gained nothing.

why invest energy into something where the end-game is pointless?

At the end of the day, Husseins issue with Lewis can't be rectified because it comes from a place of personal hatred and jealousy - nothing has particularly happened between either of them for him to have so much dislike towards him.

He said he might not be able to keep his cool, and he kept his cool, kudos to him.
And if you watch the show back you can hear lewis say 'what is zoe doing' she was uncontrollable.

If anything, it takes the bigger man to not react to such a goading gimp

[GoldHeart]

As i said he could of atleast stopped Zoe from making a fool of herself !! , he enjoyed every bit of that spectacle . He never even told her to calm down or anything instead he grinned like a mentally challenged Cheshire cat :crazy: .

Actually the way Lewis behaved in that HL show reminds me of Speidi & John james merged together! .

[deanmontague]

As i said he could of atleast stopped Zoe from making a fool of herself !! , he enjoyed every bit of that spectacle . He never even told her to calm down or anything instead he grinned like a mentally challenged Cheshire cat :crazy: .

Actually the way Lewis behaved in that HL show reminds me of Speidi & John james merged together! .

That's absurd... sometimes when faced with an idiot, all you can do is laugh. I laughed too, couldn't believe where it came from, last thing I would want to do is give him the satisfaction of a reaction.

Zoe was uncontrollable... we're really reaching for reasons to hate lewis even when he was in the right in that situation

[GoldHeart]

That's absurd... sometimes when faced with an idiot, all you can do is laugh. I laughed too, couldn't believe where it came from, last thing I would want to do is give him the satisfaction of a reaction.

Zoe was uncontrollable... we're really reaching for reasons to hate lewis even when he was in the right in that situation

Really was she?? hmm funny how Cian did a better job of trying to calm her down though :whistle: , Before the mad cow did something stupid :nono: . While Lewis sat on his arse enjoying it all like he was watching his favourite netflix boxset! with popcorn! . He didn't even strain himself by saying a word to Zoe .

[Zizu]

That's absurd... sometimes when faced with an idiot, all you can do is laugh. I laughed too, couldn't believe where it came from, last thing I would want to do is give him the satisfaction of a reaction.



Zoe was uncontrollable... we're really reaching for reasons to hate lewis even when he was in the right in that situation



Agreed .... If Lewis had reacted it could easily have turned nasty probably resulting in him being kicked out ..

He was right to stay calm imho

Hussain knows he'll be unpopular and caused an incident to get some airtime and maybe get some more votes ,

He's the only housemate over the years that I actually hate !!

Hope he gets slapped around a few times when he's out clubbing and it knocks a bit of humility and sense into him


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[GoldHeart]

Agreed .... If Lewis had reacted it could easily have turned nasty probably resulting in him being kicked out ..

He was right to stay calm imho

Hussain knows he'll be unpopular and caused an incident to get some airtime and maybe get some more votes ,

He's the only housemate over the years that I actually hate !!

Hope he gets slapped around a few times when he's out clubbing and it knocks a bit of humility and sense into him


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Oh lovely wishing violence on someone you don't even know :crazy::bored: .

[Garfie]

Oh lovely wishing violence on someone you don't even know :crazy::bored: .

Agreed. :crazy::rolleyes:

[deanmontague]

Really was she?? hmm funny how Cian did a better job of trying to calm her down though :whistle: , Before the mad cow did something stupid :nono: . While Lewis sat on his arse enjoying it all like he was watching his favourite netflix boxset! with popcorn! . He didn't even strain himself by saying a word to Zoe .

so lets say the guy who's been gunning for you since day one shows himself to be a pompous brat, i'd whip my popcorn out too, hell, i'd be gulping tea. that's human nature

[Mystic Mock]

He's pretty much confirmed everything Hussain said about him by just sitting and smirking like a pathetic wimp ! .

Didn't he say earlier on that he "might not be able to keep his cool" with Hussain yet when the perfect opportunity comes up for him to do something ,he just sit there and stares at Hussain like a dummy! .

And before people say Lewis was ignoring him and blah blah , why didn't he atleast tell Zoe to calm down and he could of stood up and held her back ??:suspect: , he enjoyed seeing her kick off like a guest from Jeremy kyle show . He had such glee in his face when Zoe went charging across the garden like a chav wanting her fish & chips for free ! .

He just sat there and made little digs about hussain under his breath . This is dejavu with Lewis G all over again :bored: . Lewis has no balls ! .

You've just made me want Fish & Chips.:joker:

On topic I don't get that either, especially considering he was the one that mumbled things about Hussain that started the argument in the first place.

Also an interesting thing is that both Lewis G and Hussain have both wanted to clear the air with Lewis F, yet he keeps/kept saying that he doesn't have a problem with them when we all know that he is/was clearly lying to their faces on those occasions.

[GoldHeart]

so lets say the guy who's been gunning for you since day one shows himself to be a pompous brat, i'd whip my popcorn out too, hell, i'd be gulping tea. that's human nature

And you'd let your "friend" jump up and threaten him? , wow true friendship :bored:.

Even if he thinks he's letting Hussain shoot himself in the foot , he never stopped Zoe . It took Cian to do something and try and stop things . And the fight had nothing to do with Zoe but chavvy took it upon herself thinking she's Lewis' knight in shining armour defending him :facepalm: she was cringy .

[GoldHeart]

You've just made me want Fish & Chips.:joker:

On topic I don't get that either, especially considering he was the one that mumbled things about Hussain that started the argument in the first place.

Also an interesting thing is that both Lewis G and Hussain have both wanted to clear the air with Lewis F, yet he keeps/kept saying that he doesn't have a problem with them when we all know that he is/was clearly lying to their faces on those occasions.

:joker:

And exactly! , if anything Lewis geared Zoe up for this fight and i didn't like how they cornered Issy in the kitchen , Brooke's snappy behaviour was ridiculous and just made her look like a tool bag .

Lewis started the whole thing by telling Issy about what Hussain is supposed to of said about her and Lewis . It's obvious he enjoys causing fights and watching fights . I honestly think he's sly in the way he goes about things.

He's a mentally disturbed person and he's extremely arrogant! . If you're not up his bum then you're basically conspiring against him in his paranoid nutty mind :crazy: .

[deanmontague]

And you'd let your "friend" jump up and threaten him? , wow true friendship :bored:.

Even if he thinks he's letting Hussain shoot himself in the foot , he never stopped Zoe . It took Cian to do something and try and stop things . And the fight had nothing to do with Zoe but chavvy took it upon herself thinking she's Lewis' knight in shining armour defending him :facepalm: she was cringy .

My friends have my back.. if some dickhead came for me like that in public yeah, i'd expect a reaction, wouldn't you? She's lewis' friend, has been since the start. your points are invalid. sorry.

[Vanessa]

Lewis did the right thing by not giving Hussain the reaction he wanted. I doubt he would have been able to control Zoe, she was raging.

[GoldHeart]

Lewis did the right thing by not giving Hussain the reaction he wanted. I doubt he would have been able to control Zoe, she was raging.

And Yet Cian managed to do a better job before BB intervened , look at the size of Cian he's tiny but whatever :sleep: .

[Mystic Mock]

:joker:

And exactly! , if anything Lewis geared Zoe up for this fight and i didn't like how they cornered Issy in the kitchen , Brooke's snappy behaviour was ridiculous and just made her look like a tool bag .

Lewis started the whole thing by telling Issy about what Hussain is supposed to of said about her and Lewis . It's obvious he enjoys causing fights and watching fights . I honestly think he's sly in the way he goes about things.

He's a mentally disturbed person and he's extremely arrogant! . If you're not up his bum then you're basically conspiring against him in his paranoid nutty mind :crazy: .

I thought that I was the only one that felt uncomfortable with the Isabella vs Team Lewis chat in the kitchen, they were clearly being antagonistic and then you've got Brooke making out that Isabella was being unreasonable. Vile people.

[Garfie]

:joker:

And exactly! , if anything Lewis geared Zoe up for this fight and i didn't like how they cornered Issy in the kitchen , Brooke's snappy behaviour was ridiculous and just made her look like a tool bag .

Lewis started the whole thing by telling Issy about what Hussain is supposed to of said about her and Lewis . It's obvious he enjoys causing fights and watching fights . I honestly think he's sly in the way he goes about things.

He's a mentally disturbed person and he's extremely arrogant! . If you're not up his bum then you're basically conspiring against him in his paranoid nutty mind :crazy: .

:clap1: Exactly!

Zoe's been drip fed the hatred and paranoia during her repeated conversations with Lewis- she has lost control over her own thoughts. He wanted allies for when he was ready to engineer and manipulate this incident in the way you describe. Who's the weasel?

[Mystic Mock]

My friends have my back.. if some dickhead came for me like that in public yeah, i'd expect a reaction, wouldn't you? She's lewis' friend, has been since the start. your points are invalid. sorry.

Defending someone just because they're your friend isn't a valid point though? If anything it just makes Zoe incredibly biased in the situation which knocks her down a few points imo, and wanting to punch Hussain and Lewis did nothing to try and stop her means that Hussain wins the argument in my view as he didn't display or encourage that kinda behaviour.

[GoldHeart]

Defending someone just because they're your friend isn't a valid point though? If anything it just makes Zoe incredibly biased in the situation which knocks her down a few points imo, and wanting to punch Hussain and Lewis did nothing to try and stop her means that Hussain wins the argument in my view as he didn't display or encourage that kinda behaviour.

Would of been very very interesting if nobody stopped Zoe and if she actually hit Hussain , and got herself removed . I wonder what Lewis' reaction would of been then? :suspect: would his cheshire grin drop then? . He'd probably blame Hussain for Zoe turning violent :bored: .

[Garfie]

I thought that I was the only one that felt uncomfortable with the Isabella vs Team Lewis chat in the kitchen, they were clearly being antagonistic and then you've got Brooke making out that Isabella was being unreasonable. Vile people.

You weren't. She was being used to trigger the incident that later occurred. She was a pawn in his game.

And sadly, Hussain is right about Lewis not really caring for her, and he will discard her as if she is nothing in a few days time. I think that's part of what made Hussain so exasperated- that he knew the feelings Lewis had for Isabella weren't genuine, and she would get hurt.

And then Lewis gets into bed with her, to demonstrate that he has been triumphant in winning the 'prize'. But she will be crying and confused within the next few days when he drops her like a hot brick, and she can't understand why.

[Mystic Mock]

Would of been very very interesting if nobody stopped Zoe and if she actually hit Hussain , and got herself removed . I wonder what Lewis' reaction would of been then? :suspect: would his cheshire grin drop then? . He'd probably blame Hussain for Zoe turning violent :bored: .

Tbh I think that a lot of her allies would be unpopular with the general public if none of them had tried to stop her.

[Garfie]

Would of been very very interesting if nobody stopped Zoe and if she actually hit Hussain , and got herself removed . I wonder what Lewis' reaction would of been then? :suspect: would his cheshire grin drop then? . He'd probably blame Hussain for Zoe turning violent :bored: .

He'd probably just see her as collateral damage, shrug his shoulders and continue as if she was never there.

[Garfie]

Tbh I think that a lot of her allies would be unpopular with the general public if none of them had tried to stop her.

But wait until Lewis criticises Cian again for getting involved in something that wasn't his business for airtime......whilst missing the irony that Zoe got involved in something that didn't concern her.

[Mystic Mock]

You weren't. She was being used to trigger the incident that later occurred. She was a pawn in his game.

And sadly, Hussain is right about Lewis not really caring for her, and he will discard her as if she is nothing in a few days time. I think that's part of what made Hussain so exasperated- that he knew the feelings Lewis had for Isabella weren't genuine, and she would get hurt.

And then Lewis gets into bed with her, to demonstrate that he has been triumphant in winning the 'prize'. But she will be crying and confused within the next few days when he drops her like a hot brick, and she can't understand why.

Isabella will probably join Sian and Cian as being a “problem” once Hussain and I'm assuming Tomasz/Akeem leaves on what's technically tonight now.

[Garfie]

the idiocy on these forums gives me a headache

A couple of paracetamols might help. :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

But wait until Lewis criticises Cian again for getting involved in something that wasn't his business for airtime......whilst missing the irony that Zoe got involved in something that didn't concern her.

That's Lewis all over for you.

[deanmontague]

A couple of paracetamols might help. :shrug:

i really want to know why people are still awake at this time... :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[GoldHeart]

But wait until Lewis criticises Cian again for getting involved in something that wasn't his business for airtime......whilst missing the irony that Zoe got involved in something that didn't concern her.

I'm surprised he didn't bash Cian for holding Zoe back , but it's probably coming the next morning .

And i've read your other posts and it's exactly how i feel with the whole Issy showmance situation and Lewis using his so called friends as chess pieces.

And Hussain knows by calling him out he'll look bad and he even said he's gone Friday, he knows he can't beat Lewis in the eviction and it's a real shame tbh.

Lewis is a really obnoxious person , i know i've said this a few times but if he was bald and fat i doubt he would be favourite to win :bored: . And i don't see the hype about his current looks , he's like a homeless Russel Brand .

[Garfie]

Isabella will probably join Sian and Cian as being a “problem” once Hussain and I'm assuming Tomasz/Akeem leaves on what's technically tonight now.

God, I can't believe I've been on here all night!

She's already been seen as a problem and has been criticised by Lewis numerous times already. He's already paranoid about her. He will blame her for the incident as she spoke to Hussain directly after he spoke to her, even though it was exactly what he planned. He will keep her at arm's length again once Hussain has gone.

[Mystic Mock]

I definitely think that this eviction would be a lot closer if Lewis F looked like Tomasz (no offence to Tomasz)

[GoldHeart]

I definitely think that this eviction would be a lot closer if Lewis F looked like Tomasz (no offence to Tomasz)

Exactly what i said above :clap1:

[Garfie]

I definitely think that this eviction would be a lot closer if Lewis F looked like Tomasz (no offence to Tomasz)

Bless Tomasz! People would hate his characteristics and behaviour if he looked like Tomasz. He wouldn't get away with it if he did.

[Mystic Mock]

God, I can't believe I've been on here all night!

She's already been seen as a problem and has been criticised by Lewis numerous times already. He's already paranoid about her. He will blame her for the incident as she spoke to Hussain directly after he spoke to her, even though it was exactly what he planned. He will keep her at arm's length again once Hussain has gone.

Tbh it's the first time that I've really felt passionate in this series and it always tends to have me stay up really late on here if I'm feeling this way.

And tbh I agree with your post entirely.

[Garfie]

I'm surprised he didn't bash Cian for holding Zoe back , but it's probably coming the next morning .

And i've read your other posts and it's exactly how i feel with the whole Issy showmance situation and Lewis using his so called friends as chess pieces.

And Hussain knows by calling him out he'll look bad and he even said he's gone Friday, he knows he can't beat Lewis in the eviction and it's a real shame tbh.

Lewis is a really obnoxious person , i know i've said this a few times but if he was bald and fat i doubt he would be favourite to win :bored: . And i don't see the hype about his current looks , he's like a homeless Russel Brand .

Yes, I agree that if he looked unattractive he wouldn't be favourite. But, I can see why people do find him physically attractive- although all I keep thinking when I see him is sparrow legs!

[Ammi]

...he did do something, he did so much...what he did was help to create and nurture the mistrust and paranoia in the house...why would he need to do anymore if that anymore would risk seeing him in a bad light just before eviction night...he does recognise self control, it’s apparently not such a stranger to him as it seems to have been on other occasions...his speech to the public had been interrupted in full flow...but wow, what a gift he was being given around him now...he just sat back enjoying it is what he did...

[Garfie]

Tbh it's the first time that I've really felt passionate in this series and it always tends to have me stay up really late on here if I'm feeling this way.

And tbh I agree with your post entirely.

I've been sat here asking myself what on earth I'm doing staying on here all night, but I don't feel so bad now you've said that!

Like you say, I think it's feeling passionate about things - I think to me, it's been triggered by the sense of injustice I feel for certain housemates who have been unfairly targeted imo.

[Vanessa]

...he did do something, he did so much...what he did was help to create and nurture the mistrust and paranoia in the house...why would he need to do anymore if that anymore would risk seeing him in a bad light just before eviction night...he does recognise self control, it’s apparently not such a stranger to him as it seems to have been on other occasions...his speech to the public had been interrupted in full flow...but wow, what a gift he was being given around him now...he just sat back enjoying it is what he did...
He did the right thing. You never rise to the bait when someone's is deliberately provoking you.
It just leads to a fight.

[Garfie]

...he did do something, he did so much...what he did was help to create and nurture the mistrust and paranoia in the house...why would he need to do anymore if that anymore would risk seeing him in a bad light just before eviction night...he does recognise self control, it’s apparently not such a stranger to him as it seems to have been on other occasions...his speech to the public had been interrupted in full flow...but wow, what a gift he was being given around him now...he just sat back enjoying it is what he did...

Again, you are spot on, Ammi. You've expressed that beautifully.

[Garfie]

He did the right thing. You never rise to the bait when someone's is deliberately provoking you.
It just leads to a fight.

I think you're missing the point though- he set the bait.

[GoldHeart]

I think you're missing the point though- he set the bait.

:clap1:

Unfortunately most don't realise that
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[Ammi]

He did the right thing. You never rise to the bait when someone's is deliberately provoking you.
It just leads to a fight.

..yeah he absolutely did the right thing, Vanessa...the right thing for him...while always expecting others to do the right thing for him as well..:laugh:...

[Vanessa]

..yeah he absolutely did the right thing, Vanessa...the right thing for him...while always expecting others to do the right thing for him as well..:laugh:...

He has no control over Zoe. She lost it with Hussain and to be honest, i don't blame her, Hussain was spoiling for a fight. I would have lost it with him ages ago.

[Ammi]

He has no control over Zoe. She lost it with Hussain and to be honest, i don't blame her, Hussain was spoiling for a fight. I would have lost it with him ages ago.

...strange how Zoe ‘lost it’ when she’s been spending so much time with Lewis and she never ‘lost it’ when spending much time with housemates who don’t have the level of paranoia and contempt and intolerance as Lewis has...

[Ammi]

...the more and more Lewis time she’s been spending...the less and less control she’s been showing...

[Vanessa]

...strange how Zoe ‘lost it’ when she’s been spending so much time with Lewis and she never ‘lost it’ when spending much time with housemates who don’t have the level of paranoia and contempt and intolerance as Lewis has...

Hussain is in the wrong here. He was goading Lewis into a fight. How can people excuse that behaviour , i will never know!

[Garfie]

:...strange how Zoe ‘lost it’ when she’s been spending so much time with Lewis and she never ‘lost it’ when spending much time with housemates who don’t have the level of paranoia and contempt and intolerance as Lewis has...

:clap1:

Yes, exactly! All the fun and lightheartedness she displayed in the first few weeks has been drained from her and replaced by anger, paranoia, bitterness and resentment.

[Vanessa]

Imagine if Lewis had tried to goad Hussain into a fight. This forum would be full of Lewis is a bully threads.
But because its Hussain goading Lewis, somehow its acceptable? :crazy:

[Ammi]

Hussain is in the wrong here. He was goading Lewis into a fight. How can people excuse that behaviour , i will never know!

...I think it was more that he was goading him into actually taking some responsibility for the general negative impact he has on the house...

[Vanessa]

...I think it was more that he was goading him into actually taking some responsibility for the general negative impact he has on the house...

No, Hussain has been gunning for him since he entered the house.
Lewis has welcomed, but Hussain never gave him a chance. Ane now it's blown up in his face. You reap what you saw!

[Vanessa]

The irony of Hussain calling Lewis a coward. Hussain is the biggest coward in there.

[GoldHeart]

...I think it was more that he was goading him into actually taking some responsibility for the general negative impact he has on the house...

:clap1:

Which Lewis NEVER takes responsibility for

[Garfie]

...strange how Zoe ‘lost it’ when she’s been spending so much time with Lewis and she never ‘lost it’ when spending much time with housemates who don’t have the level of paranoia and contempt and intolerance as Lewis has...

Following on from this point, Ammi, it was lovely to see Cameron's interactions with other housemates in recent episodes, and it was noticeable how much more relaxed, rational and happy he seemed. It was like a darkness had been lifted.

He also showed lots of positive characteristics- his understanding of Hussain's feelings, his compassion for Cian, friendliness towards Akeem, his kindness and loyalty towards Tomasz- which proved what a lovely guy he is when apart from negative influences.

I actually like Cameron a lot when he is with other housemates, but just as with Zoe, Lewis brings out the worst in him.

[Garfie]

...I think it was more that he was goading him into actually taking some responsibility for the general negative impact he has on the house...

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

Hussain also has a negative impact to the house. But of course that doesn't matter, because he's not Lewis.
So Hussain can do what he wants and get away with it. I see double standards are still rife in here!

[Ammi]

Following on from this point, Ammi, it was lovely to see Cameron's interactions with other housemates in recent episodes, and it was noticeable how much more relaxed, rational and happy he seemed. It was like a darkness had been lifted.

He also showed lots of positive characteristics- his understanding of Hussain's feelings, his compassion for Cian, friendliness towards Akeem, his kindness and loyalty towards Tomasz- which proved what a lovely guy he is when apart from negative influences.

I actually like Cameron a lot when he is with other housemates, but just as with Zoe, Lewis brings out the worst in him.

..yeah Garfie...without the shadow of Lewis, I think we would have seen a different Cameron...others encourage the positive in him..(..and I don’t think he’s a naturally positive person..:laugh:..)...but they encourage positivity to the surface...Lewis stifles and suppresses it and sadly he’s the biggest influence on Cameron, Cameron adores him...the fact that he adores such negativity as Lewis is...shows his ability to see the best in people...I loved how he hugged Cian when Cian was so distraught and upset with the whole eruption..it was a natural affection and protection/comfort, type thing...it’ll be interesting to see in the aftermath what Lewis says to Cameron...whether he’ll spin Cian into a negative of shouldn’t have become involved, etc...and then interesting to see Cameron absorbing it all...again..and again..:laugh:...

[GoldHeart]

Hussain also has a negative impact to the house. But of course that doesn't matter, because he's not Lewis.
So Hussain can do what he wants and get away with it. I see double standards are still rife in here!

Not really
We all know Hussain has shot himself in the foot , and nobody said he was perfect but atleast he's honest and he confronted Lewis . And Hussain has owned up that he's probably not conducted himself in the best way.

Lewis has a huge problem with Hussain and kept whining in the kitchen to Issy about him , yet when Hussain AGAIN gives him the chance to say something he just sit's grinning while muttering under his breath :facepalm: .

[Ammi]

Hussain also has a negative impact to the house. But of course that doesn't matter, because he's not Lewis.
So Hussain can do what he wants and get away with it. I see double standards are still rife in here!

..he isn’t getting away with anything though, Vanessa...he’ll be evicted for trying to expose the negativity in the house...yeah double standards or ironic that Lewis will probably be the winner...go figure...

[Vanessa]

..he isn’t getting away with anything though, Vanessa...he’ll be evicted for trying to expose the negativity in the house...yeah double standards or ironic that Lewis will probably be the winner...go figure...

He's getting away with it in here. Bad behaviour should not be rewarded.

[GoldHeart]

He's getting away with it in here. Bad behaviour should not be rewarded.

Yet Lewis continues to get PASSES :notimpressed:

[Vanessa]

I don't care who leaves tonight. My point is, Hussain was trying to goad Lewis into a fight. And apparently that's perfectly acceptable? Wow!

[Garfie]

..yeah Garfie...without the shadow of Lewis, I think we would have seen a different Cameron...others encourage the positive in him..(..and I don’t think he’s a naturally positive person..:laugh:..)...but they encourage positivity to the surface...Lewis stifles and suppresses it and sadly he’s the biggest influence on Cameron, Cameron adores him...the fact that he adores such negativity as Lewis is...shows his ability to see the best in people...I loved how he hugged Cian when Cian was so distraught and upset with the whole eruption..it was a natural affection and protection/comfort, type thing...it’ll be interesting to see in the aftermath what Lewis says to Cameron...whether he’ll spin Cian into a negative of shouldn’t have become involved, etc...and then interesting to see Cameron absorbing it all...again..and again..:laugh:...

It was a beautiful moment between Cameron and Cian, and I just loved what I saw in Cameron at that moment.

You know I said the same thing in another thread about how Lewis will criticise and target Cian again for getting involved, and maybe suggesting Cian's distress was fake to get airtime, just to build distrust again. I honestly believe that if Lewis had not sown negative seeds in Cameron's head about Cian before, they would have repaired their friendship at the time and it would have developed.

Cameron is young and naive, and is so in awe of Lewis that I don't think he recognises how negative his influence has been in many ways. However, I do think the first signs of Cameron detaching himself have begun to emerge, and I hope it continues. I think Cameron would blossom without Lewis there, so for Cameron, I really hope Lewis is evicted tonight.

[Ammi]

...he didn’t try to goad him into a fight, he tried to goad him into speaking up and not slinking back and have others speak for him..he tried to goad him into taking his own responsibility...rather than just plant all of the seeds and let others be his voice...

[GoldHeart]

I don't care who leaves tonight. My point is, Hussain was trying to goad Lewis into a fight. And apparently that's perfectly acceptable? Wow!

And it was also ok for Zoe to throw her weight around where it DIDN'T concern her ?? , and for Lewis to egg things on by smirking at Hussain & Zoe ? :whistle:

[Garfie]

He's getting away with it in here. Bad behaviour should not be rewarded.

The irony astounds me. :facepalm:

[Cherie]

Hussain will leave tonight unfortunately. His anger is borne out of frustration for Isabella and as he admitted himself some jealousy, Isabella is literallly sleeping with the enemy, to get into his bed last night after all that had happened shows she is only out for herself, Hussein has blown his chance over her .. shame

[Cherie]

The irony astounds me. :facepalm:

The voice of reason :love:

[Ammi]

It was a beautiful moment between Cameron and Cian, and I just loved what I saw in Cameron at that moment.

You know I said the same thing in another thread about how Lewis will criticise and target Cian again for getting involved, and maybe suggesting Cian's distress was fake to get airtime, just to build distrust again. I honestly believe that if Lewis had not sown negative seeds in Cameron's head about Cian before, they would have repaired their friendship at the time and it would have developed.

Cameron is young and naive, and is so in awe of Lewis that I don't think he recognises how negative his influence has been in many ways. However, I do think the first signs of Cameron detaching himself have begun to emerge, and I hope it continues. I think Cameron would blossom without Lewis there, so for Cameron, I really hope Lewis is evicted tonight.

....yeah it’s so sad that one person can plant so many seeds of paranoia and negativity in so many..but I guess, understandable as well with that type of pressure cooker environment ..the paranoid seeds would be there anyway, all he had to do was nurture them and it’s rare that we see such an extreme of negativity in a person’s character...he’s had less effect on the more balanced and positive people but if it’s been a donkey on the edge..he’s pushed them over the edge completely..:laugh:...


..I don’t think he’ll go tonight, Garfie...I actually think he’ll be the winner..and to have someone win who feels they have shared their experience with a house full of reptiles, who hasn’t appreciated the people he has shared the experience with or hasn’t appreciated the experience he’s had...who basically shows so much contempt and intolerance..?...doesn’t sit right with me...

[Garfie]

I don't care who leaves tonight. My point is, Hussain was trying to goad Lewis into a fight. And apparently that's perfectly acceptable? Wow!

Are you actually even reading people's posts properly?

Firstly, no-one has said that what Hussain did was perfectly acceptable- in fact, even as a Hussain fan, I have stated in a number of posts that I didn't approve of his actions, as have other Hussain fans. What people are discussing is how the situation unfolded, the triggers for it and the reasons behind Hussain's behaviour. That doesn't mean people are approving of it, but that they are tying to understand it.

Secondly, the point about goading has been addressed in detail by Ammi and others, so it would just be going round in circles to repeat all the points made regarding that. Making the same point numerous times isn't going to make people change their views.

[GoldHeart]

Are you actually even reading people's posts properly?

Firstly, no-one has said that what Hussain did was perfectly acceptable- in fact, even as a Hussain fan, I have stated in a number of posts that I didn't approve of his actions, as have other Hussain fans. What people are discussing is how the situation unfolded, the triggers for it and the reasons behind Hussain's behaviour. That doesn't mean people are approving of it, but that they are tying to understand it.

Secondly, the point about goading has been addressed in detail by Ammi and others, so it would just be going round in circles to repeat all the points made regarding that. Making the same point numerous times isn't going to make people change their views.

We've been debating this for ages :joker: :clap1: completely agree ! .

[Garfie]

Hussain will leave tonight unfortunately. His anger is borne out of frustration for Isabella and as he admitted himself some jealousy, Isabella is literallly sleeping with the enemy, to get into his bed last night after all that had happened shows she is only out for herself, Hussein has blown his chance over her .. shame

Cherie, you are so right. She is literally sleeping with the enemy. :facepalm:

And the sad thing is that she doesn't even realise she has been used as a pawn in a game. She is no more than a trophy for Lewis to use in order to demonstrate to Hussain that he has triumphed over him.

I am so sad that Hussain has sacrificed his place in the house for her.

[Ammi]

..I think she does realise...I think she’s happy to be that pawn and has created herself as that pawn..because she knows where the house power lies...Hussain’s way of bringing down the house power was never going to work...snuggling under its wing is what she’s doing, trying to become a part of it...

[Ammi]

..I struggle with respect or understanding with anyone who can be spoken to as Lewis spoke to her in such a derogatory way...and then say...awwwwww, but isn’t he gorgeous though, just look at that lovely face and that body...

[Garfie]

....yeah it’s so sad that one person can plant so many seeds of paranoia and negativity in so many..but I guess, understandable as well with that type of pressure cooker environment ..the paranoid seeds would be there anyway, all he had to do was nurture them and it’s rare that we see such an extreme of negativity in a person’s character...he’s had less effect on the more balanced and positive people but if it’s been a donkey on the edge..he’s pushed them over the edge completely..:laugh:...


..I don’t think he’ll go tonight, Garfie...I actually think he’ll be the winner..and to have someone win who feels they have shared their experience with a house full of reptiles, who hasn’t appreciated the people he has shared the experience with or hasn’t appreciated the experience he’s had...who basically shows so much contempt and intolerance..?...doesn’t sit right with me...

Don't Ammi. This wouldn't sit comfortably with me either. But I don't want him to win, and can't believe he will. If he stays, I hope he will bring about his own downfall, and that someone like Tomasz, Akeem or Cian triumphs. Surely, the longer he stays, the more people's eyes will be opened, and consequently the positive will win over the negative.

Am I just being hopelessly optimistic or foolishly idealistic? I'd like to think not, as I can't allow the dismay I would feel to emerge at this point.

[Garfie]

..I struggle with respect or understanding with anyone who can be spoken to as Lewis spoke to her in such a derogatory way...and then say...awwwwww, but isn’t he gorgeous though, just look at that lovely face and that body...

Me too. Why would you? Or should that be how could you?

Is this really part of a game plan, or is she just naively and foolishly being swept along by her attraction to him?

I can't quite decide at this stage.

[Ammi]

Don't Ammi. This wouldn't sit comfortably with me either. But I don't want him to win, and can't believe he will. If he stays, I hope he will bring about his own downfall, and that someone like Tomasz, Akeem or Cian triumphs. Surely, the longer he stays, the more people's eyes will be opened, and consequently the positive will win over the negative.

Am I just being hopelessly optimistic or foolishly idealistic? I'd like to think not, as I can't allow the dismay I would feel to emerge at this point.

...I know it’s a different house and I’m not comparing Lewis either...but what I keep thinking is...Helen Wood, Helen Wood, Helen Wood...and I just feel a little of that vibe this year...I will though absorb your optimism, Garfie..and think I’m probably just under the influence of Lewis’ paranoia and trust that someone who has loved their experience and appreciated their housemates..(..the good, the bad and the ugly of them..)...will win...

[Garfie]

...I know it’s a different house and I’m not comparing Lewis either...but what I keep thinking is...Helen Wood, Helen Wood, Helen Wood...and I just feel a little of that vibe this year...I will though absorb your optimism, Garfie..and think I’m probably just under the influence of Lewis’ paranoia and trust that someone who has loved their experience and appreciated their housemates..(..the good, the bad and the ugly of them..)...will win...

Mmm......... a more intelligent, articulate and devious Helen Wood? Interesting theory. I hope not for the final series.

I really don't mind if the winner has played a game, but it needs to be someone who has played the game with decency, joy and consideration of others, rather than with negativity and manipulation.

[GoldHeart]

Mmm......... a more intelligent, articulate and devious Helen Wood? Interesting theory. I hope not for the final series.

I really don't mind if the winner has played a game, but it needs to be someone who has played the game with decency, joy and consideration of others, rather than with negativity and manipulation.

Which is why Akeem would be the perfect winner :) .
Sadly though ,Lewis will win unless he gets himself kicked out for violence .

[Garfie]

Which is why Akeem would be the perfect winner :) .
Sadly though ,Lewis will win unless he gets himself kicked out for violence .

No. I can't allow myself to think that Lewis will win. I just can't. There is still time for the tide to turn, and still hope for a better outcome.

[GoldHeart]

No. I can't allow myself to think that Lewis will win. I just can't. There is still time for the tide to turn, and still hope for a better outcome.

It's great to be optimistic and I'd love an unpredictable winner:fc:

I'm also bored of the superficial argument of " Oh Lewis is hot " " oh Lewis is goodlooking" .
there's something seriously wrong if people only focus on his looks :bored: .

[chuff me dizzy]

Im so glad Lewis proved himself the real man who never gave Hussain what he wanted ,Hussain was eaten up by jealousy so tried to take it out on Lewis, but Lewis being the better person didnt rise to him ,he sat back and let Hussain destroy himself and seal his fate tonight .... Well done Lewis

[Kazanne]

He's pretty much confirmed everything Hussain said about him by just sitting and smirking like a pathetic wimp ! .

Didn't he say earlier on that he "might not be able to keep his cool" with Hussain yet when the perfect opportunity comes up for him to do something ,he just sit there and stares at Hussain like a dummy! .

And before people say Lewis was ignoring him and blah blah , why didn't he atleast tell Zoe to calm down and he could of stood up and held her back ??:suspect: , he enjoyed seeing her kick off like a guest from Jeremy kyle show . He had such glee in his face when Zoe went charging across the garden like a chav wanting her fish & chips for free ! .

He just sat there and made little digs about hussain under his breath . This is dejavu with Lewis G all over again :bored: . Lewis has no balls ! .

Oh what's up ? didn't he smack him one and get evicted,lol how some would have loved that, Lewis didn't have to stand up Cian was in there like a fly round ****,It takes a man to walk away from a fight, Lewis did exactly what he should have and Hussain hated it,So you like someone who tries to control a woman and tell her who she can speak to,kudos to you.

[Kazanne]

It's great to be optimistic and I'd love an unpredictable winner:fc:

I'm also bored of the superficial argument of " Oh Lewis is hot " " oh Lewis is goodlooking" .
there's something seriously wrong if people only focus on his looks :bored: .

Who has said that ? I like Lewis for lots of reasons, isn't it funny had a woman said that about a girl,we would be classed as jealous !!!! LOL

[Kazanne]

Which is why Akeem would be the perfect winner :) .
Sadly though ,Lewis will win unless he gets himself kicked out for violence .

You've just said he has no balls and just sits there,make you mind up at least.

[chuff me dizzy]

Who has said that ? I like Lewis for lots of reasons, isn't it funny had a woman said that about a girl,we would be classed as jealous !!!! LOL

Oh dear theres going to be a lot of dummies thrown from lots of prams tonight if Lewis stays :joker:

[joeysteele]

You've just made me want Fish & Chips.:joker:

On topic I don't get that either, especially considering he was the one that mumbled things about Hussain that started the argument in the first place.

Also an interesting thing is that both Lewis G and Hussain have both wanted to clear the air with Lewis F, yet he keeps/kept saying that he doesn't have a problem with them when we all know that he is/was clearly lying to their faces on those occasions.

Sorry Mock.
I have to disagreee and hate doing so.

Hussain as to Lewis cannot be reasoned with.

From the minute Hussain went in, he has said his mission was to destroy Lewis and get him out any way he could...
Both up for eviction, creating a massive argument which may or may not have got physical possibly.
Would have been an ideal situation for Hussain to achieve that aim.

He doesn't want to sort anything out with Lewis in the slightest.
When confronted by an obsessed, jealous, volatile, near hysterical odious creep like Hussain as he was last night, just after being the same with Isabelle too.
The best thing to to is not rise to a thing they say.

Those that got involved, chose to do so.
Lewis was the target of Hussain.
In a conflict either the target or the one on the offensive needs to be removed from the situation.

Hussain was wrong re Isabelle and then going to Lewis too in my view.
After his weird controlling argument with Isabelle he should have left all there.

He then got all he deserved as to it all blowing up and falling back on him.

[Liam-]

Because he knew arguing with Hussain wasn’t worth it, he did the right thing sitting back and letting him go off on his uncalled for rant, let Hussain dig his own grave without having to say a word, I applaud him for being able to keep his cool in the face of a ranting lunatic.

[Kazanne]

I think you're missing the point though- he set the bait.

He can't help it if Isabelle fancies him,good god whatever next,hussain needs to stop trying to control who she likes and speaks to.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sorry Mock.
I have to disagreee and hate doing so.

Hussain as to Lewis cannot be reasoned with.

From the minute Hussain went in, he has said his mission was to destroy Lewis and get him out any way he could...
Both up for eviction, creating a massive argument which may or may not have got physical possibly.
Would have been an ideal situation for Hussain to achieve that aim.

He doesn't want to sort anything out with Lewis in the slightest.
When confronted by an obsessed, jealous, volatile, near hysterical odious creep like Hussain as he was last night, just after being the same with Isabelle too.
The best thing to to is not rise to a thing they say.

Those that got involved, chose to do so.
Lewis was the target of Hussain.
In a conflict either the target or the one on the offensive needs to be removed from the situation.

Hussain was wrong re Isabelle and then going to Lewis too in my view.
After his weird controlling argument with Isabelle he should have left all there.

He then got all he deserved as to it all blowing up and falling back on him.

:clap1: Excellent !! I hope Hussain got a formal warning for his behaviour

[joeysteele]

He can't help it if Isabelle fancies him,good god whatever next,hussain needs to stop trying to control who she likes and speaks to.

If he is like that as to Isabelle in the house with cameras blazing.
As to saying she's his,then telling her who to talk to and spend time with.

What on earth might he be like in the real world with someone he 'sees' even wrongly as 'his'.

He's truly horrible.

[chuff me dizzy]

If he is like that as to Isabelle in the house with cameras blazing.
As to saying she's his,then telling her who to talk to and spend time with.

What on earth might he be like in the real world with someone he 'sees' even wrongly as 'his'.

He's truly horrible.

As if posh Isabella would be interested in a gang talking thug ,Im sure Mummy and Daddy would be thrilled if she brought him home for Sunday Tea !!

[Kazanne]

It's not rocket science to see Hussain wanted Lewis to bite and maybe cause a fight,he wants him out and will try anything to do it, nothing deeper than that and Lewis knew it, you could see by the way he kept going back to the group he really wanted lewis to flare up,LOL massive fail. People seem to overlook that Hussain is trying to control Isabelle and tell her who she can interact with,she said he is making her time in the house unbearable,so how come he gets a free pass to be an asshole?

[Kazanne]

If he is like that as to Isabelle in the house with cameras blazing.
As to saying she's his,then telling her who to talk to and spend time with.

What on earth might he be like in the real world with someone he 'sees' even wrongly as 'his'.

He's truly horrible.

Yes indeed Joey,scarey thought.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not rocket science to see Hussain wanted Lewis to bite and maybe cause a fight,he wants him out and will try anything to do it, nothing deeper than that and Lewis knew it, you could see by the way he kept going back to the group he really wanted lewis to flare up,LOL massive fail. People seem to overlook that Hussain is trying to control Isabelle and tell her who she can interact with,she said he is making her time in the house unbearable,so how come he gets a free pass to be an asshole?

Yes he wanted Lewis to hit him and get removed, but Lewis is no fool he saw through his game

[ConnorTheJudge]

Lewis did the right thing by not giving Hussain the reaction he wanted. I doubt he would have been able to control Zoe, she was raging.
He was right not to rise to Hussain but, he should've tried to stop Zoe.

Anyway Hussain caused it all, the argument between him and Isabelle was over and was trying to keep to going.

[The-Woman]

Hussain just does not stop, won't listen to reason, just argues his point over anyone who tries to talk to him. Lewis was the better man over this.

[arista]

He's pretty much confirmed everything Hussain said about him by just sitting and smirking like a pathetic wimp ! .

Didn't he say earlier on that he "might not be able to keep his cool" with Hussain yet when the perfect opportunity comes up for him to do something ,he just sit there and stares at Hussain like a dummy! .

And before people say Lewis was ignoring him and blah blah , why didn't he atleast tell Zoe to calm down and he could of stood up and held her back ??:suspect: , he enjoyed seeing her kick off like a guest from Jeremy kyle show . He had such glee in his face when Zoe went charging across the garden like a chav wanting her fish & chips for free ! .

He just sat there and made little digs about hussain under his breath . This is dejavu with Lewis G all over again :bored: . Lewis has no balls ! .


Lewis was correct to stay there and smile.


Hussain was making the Errors


Did you watch Bots?
Judi James

[Vanessa]

I'm very proud of Lewis for not rising to Hussain bait. Now I'm not even worried about tonight eviction. If Lewis goes i will support Cameron 100%.

[Vanessa]

Lewis was correct to stay there and smile.


Hussain was making the Errors


Did you watch Bots?6
Judi James
I would have done the same.

[arista]

I'm very proud of Lewis for not rising to Hussain bait. Now I'm not even worried about tonight eviction. If Lewis goes i will support Cameron 100%.



Judi James on bots
said Hassain was at fault

[Vanessa]

Judi James on bots
said Hassain was at fault

Also, Isabella clearly fancies Lewis. Hussain is jealous.

[joeysteele]

Lewis was correct to stay there and smile.


Hussain was making the Errors


Did you watch Bots?
Judi James



He was both right and using one of your terms, ' very wise' to just stay there and smile.

I totally agree.

[Denver]

Judi James on bots
said Hassain was at fault

Judi James was paid to say that

[Elliot]

Judi James on bots
said Hassain was at fault

Ok?

[Elliot]

The girl at the corner store said it was Lewis’ fault what do I win

[matty0boy]

Hussain wanted a reaction from Lewis and Lewis didn't give him it, think Lewis did the right thing, why waste your time and energy on a juvenile person.

[Elliot]

Hussain wanted a reaction from Lewis and Lewis didn't give him it, think Lewis did the right thing, why waste your time and energy on a juvenile person.

It’s weird because he’s wasted his energy before, 3 times actually. But they were all women :(

[joeysteele]

Hussain wanted a reaction from Lewis and Lewis didn't give him it, think Lewis did the right thing, why waste your time and energy on a juvenile person.

No point at all in wasting time and energy on someone like that.
You are right.

[mr rochester]

That's absurd... sometimes when faced with an idiot, all you can do is laugh. I laughed too, couldn't believe where it came from, last thing I would want to do is give him the satisfaction of a reaction.

Zoe was uncontrollable... we're really reaching for reasons to hate lewis even when he was in the right in that situation

When I looked at Lewis I thought he looked very frightened. He had a rictus grin and he was submissively slumped trying to make himself look as small and as hunched as possible.

Zoe was uncontrollable and it wasn’t a good look was it? I think she wanted to show Lewis that she liked him (she knows she could only ever have him as a friend and only whilst on TV). I think it is possible that Zoe’s illogical dislike if Sian is because she thought Lewis would like her since she is very attractive. Zoe has thrown Cian under the bus because she is so consumed with getting closer to Lewis.

Lewis, who is so verbally loud and demanding and manipulative normally should have tried to diffuse the situation with Zoe but he saw he could come out of this well if he stayed quiet.

We have a Machivalean player in Lewis and an insecure but nevertheless loud and awkward player in Hussain. Neither have many attractive qualities but at least Hussain has the courage of his convictions and speaks out. I predicted yesterday on another thread that Hussain might cause a big scene in order to allow himself to leave through the back door before his inevitable eviction and that panned out last night. He may still walk today.

[matty0boy]

It’s weird because he’s wasted his energy before, 3 times actually. But they were all women :(

Fair point, possibly Lewis could have told Zoe to leave it instead of being goaded into something.

[chuff me dizzy]

Judi James on bots
said Hassain was at fault

Yes she did and pointed out her reasons for thinking it

[Nancy.]

Oh what's up ? didn't he smack him one and get evicted,lol how some would have loved that, Lewis didn't have to stand up Cian was in there like a fly round ****,It takes a man to walk away from a fight, Lewis did exactly what he should have and Hussain hated it,So you like someone who tries to control a woman and tell her who she can speak to,kudos to you.

That's exactly how I read it too, Kazanne. Clearly annoyed because Lewis didn't fall into Hussain's trap by giving him a smack across the chops or Cian didn't let Zoe fly at Hussain - resulting in either one being removed.
Hussain desperately wanted a reaction from L to make him look bad and didn't get it - and that's what hurt the most. This was his last throw of the dice and it backfired miserably.

[deanmontague]

So leave then. Nobody would miss you.

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[GoldHeart]

Fair point, possibly Lewis could have told Zoe to leave it instead of being goaded into something.

Exactly what a few of us have been saying ,I'm glad it finally gets acknowledged !.
If anything Lewis made himself look bad as well