Cameron: Coming out and pretending that it's still 1985 or something [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

montblanc

22-10-2018, 03:34 PM

not a fan but coming out is a big step for a lot of LGBT youth so i can at least understand why it's such a big deal

however his family apparently already knew so i don't know who exactly was he coming out to? :laugh:

Ammi

22-10-2018, 03:36 PM

..I’m guessing it’s probably less about others and whether they care or not...but more about yourself and choosing whether you want to come out and how you want to come out etc...an individual, personal thing...

Ammi

22-10-2018, 03:37 PM

vesavius

22-10-2018, 03:39 PM

his family apparently already knew so i don't know who exactly was he coming out to? :laugh:

The guy is clearly using it as a game play tactic, despite his pretending that he isn't. he knows that BB has a large gay following and it's clearly deliberatly trying to appeal to that.

The whole, "I never intended to come out in the house" thing is such clear BS.

This has been my problem with Cam from day 1... His contrived moves in there. I like HMs that play the game against the house, but I 'hate' HMs that try to win by playing the public.

Babayaro.

22-10-2018, 03:59 PM

Honestly, it's 2018... Very very few people give a ****.

So? It's down to how the individual feels. It's that simple.

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 04:07 PM

vesavius

22-10-2018, 04:14 PM

...And as a (I’m going to assume) straight poster...

Wow, nice to assume.

Also, it's not your place to state what I am allowed or not allowed, whatever my sexuality.

Withano

22-10-2018, 04:19 PM

Its easy for some people, difficult for others and everybody still knows its better than it was in the earlier couple decades.

Kinda basic stuff really, wasn’t worth a thread.

joeysteele

22-10-2018, 04:39 PM

It still is like 1985 and even well before then too due to the prejudices of some.
Attitudes that still make it hard for those who feel a need to reveal their sexuality.
Fearing still, yes fearing, the reactions of a cruel minority maybe, in this day and age.

Beso

22-10-2018, 04:44 PM

If you don't care, or anyone for that matter, then why bother using it as a stick to bash him with?

Elliot

22-10-2018, 04:46 PM

A lot of people are still very homophobic, even some young people in certain communities, so it’s still quite hard

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 05:04 PM

Wow, nice to assume.

Also, it's not your place to state what I am allowed or not allowed, whatever my sexuality.

I will assume, because 100% a gay person would never make this post :hehe:

And as a gay person, you aren't allowed an opinion on when or how we/my community come out or choose to accept ourselves. period.

Just like it's not my place, as a white person, to comment on the lived racist experience a person of colour may have suffered, whether I see racism as an active evil in the world today or not. get it?

The fact that we live in a world where 'coming out' is still a thing - then yes - people still do care. Straight people don't have to 'come out', they just exist, when it becomes that way for other people, then we've hit an equal ground, until then, we haven't. :shrug:

UserSince2005

22-10-2018, 05:07 PM

People still kill themselves because they are gay you stupid ****

Beso

22-10-2018, 05:09 PM

I will assume, because 100% a gay person would never make this post :hehe:

And as a gay person, you aren't allowed an opinion on when or how we/my community come out or choose to accept ourselves. period.

Just like it's not my place, as a white person, to comment on the lived racist experience a person of colour may have suffered, whether I see racism as an active evil in the world today or not. get it?

The fact that we live in a world where 'coming out' is still a thing - then yes - people still do care. Straight people don't have to 'come out', they just exist, when it becomes that way for other people, then we've hit an equal ground, until then, we haven't. :shrug:

Quick question before I pop out.

Is it only blacks and gays that are allowed to tell people what they can or can't have an opinion on, or is there more..

I will buy a pen when I'm out and jot them all down so I can know what discussions to avoid in the future.

Northern Monkey

22-10-2018, 05:09 PM

Let the poor lad have his storyline.He needed some way to get the public on side

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 05:10 PM

Quick question before I pop out.

Is it only blacks and gays that are allowed to tell people what they can or can't have an opinion on, or is there more..

I will buy a pen when I'm out and jot them all down so I can know what discussions to avoid in the future.

I'll answer your question when it's posed as an intelligent/none sarcastic comment.

Beso

22-10-2018, 05:12 PM

I'll answer your question when it's posed as an intelligent/none sarcastic comment.

I'll get me pen first, brb.

Northern Monkey

22-10-2018, 05:12 PM

I will assume, because 100% a gay person would never make this post :hehe:

And as a gay person, you aren't allowed an opinion on when or how we/my community come out or choose to accept ourselves. period.

Just like it's not my place, as a white person, to comment on the lived racist experience a person of colour may have suffered, whether I see racism as an active evil in the world today or not. get it?

The fact that we live in a world where 'coming out' is still a thing - then yes - people still do care. Straight people don't have to 'come out', they just exist, when it becomes that way for other people, then we've hit an equal ground, until then, we haven't. :shrug:
”you are’nt allowed an opinion”

This sounds like some kind of North Korean-esque dictatorship

chuff me dizzy

22-10-2018, 05:12 PM

chuff me dizzy

22-10-2018, 05:13 PM

”you are’nt allowed an opinion”
This sounds like some kind of North Korean-esque dictatorship

Doesn't it just .. Jesus someone needs to lighten up :idc:

Northern Monkey

22-10-2018, 05:16 PM

Doesn't it just .. Jesus someone needs to lighten up :idc:

I dread to think what the future will be like with the next generation of ‘woke’ individuals in charge.

1984?

Underscore

22-10-2018, 05:18 PM

OP has outraged me so much. Coming out is still a major thing even these days, and even when you have liberally minded parents it can still be a challenge.

chuff me dizzy

22-10-2018, 05:19 PM

I dread to think what the future will be like with the next generation of ‘woke’ individuals in charge.

1984?

Its 2018 not 1918 ,but i don't want to make folks put away their violins :whistle:

Twosugars

22-10-2018, 05:19 PM

Coming out is largely to do with self acceptance as much as the acceptance of others. And as a (I’m going to assume) straight poster you are not really allowed to have an opinion on the gay experiences of others..
get off your high horse :laugh:
considering circumstances (family knew) he made too much out of it
it felt drawn out and staged by him
(speaking as a gay man btw)

pontyboi

22-10-2018, 05:19 PM

Wow, nice to assume.

Also, it's not your place to state what I am allowed or not allowed, whatever my sexuality.

No offence but when you pass judgment on how a person coming out isn't a big deal then expect to receive some criticism back.

Underscore

22-10-2018, 05:22 PM

(speaking as a gay man btw)

Will folk stop using the fact they're gay as a way to make other people think their opinion is more valid. I'm gay, does that mean my opinion is more valid than chuff's???

You do not speak for the experiences of other gay folk around the world! Please stop!

Jules82

22-10-2018, 05:22 PM

Lost on this one, all I have to say is that everyone imo has a right to live their lives in the way they want to so long as it isnt hurting another being. Whilst we may not be in a certain situation, we have experienced another and therefore we learn empathy, love and understanding. Eventually we will all know the reason why and until then we have to live each day as though it were our last. My thoughts apply to all things unacceptable to some but ok with others and vice versa, we have no right to judge....Possibly there shoudnt be headings, just life...it is the headings which make people uncertain.

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 05:25 PM

chuff me dizzy

22-10-2018, 05:25 PM

BBDodge

22-10-2018, 05:26 PM

Even though it was Cameron (David) who legalised gay marriage, Tories are not noted for their liberal values. Might well be a big thing for Cameron (BB) to reveal this to his wider family and friends - he's only just left school.

chuff me dizzy

22-10-2018, 05:26 PM

I suppose it's a sore subject for me as I still know many (unhappy) people living double lives in the closet - so apologies if i appeared on my 'high horse' but i really struggle to accept people's opinions on issues they have no experience with...

I can make a cracking Yorkshire pudding, can you ? and I wouldn't judge you if you couldn't

Jules82

22-10-2018, 05:27 PM

I suppose it's a sore subject for me as I still know many (unhappy) people living double lives in the closet - so apologies if i appeared on my 'high horse' but i really struggle to accept people's opinions on issues they have no experience with...

That is sad but you know your own feelings and what is best for you, that is all that counts. In knowing, you can help this is where our experiences give us the empathy and love which we all strive to obtain.

Jules82

22-10-2018, 05:31 PM

I can make a cracking Yorkshire pudding, can you ? and I wouldn't judge you if you couldn't

Aw Chuff send me one please, my mother used to put jam on the leftovers and we ate them just like a biscuit, tasted good.

Twosugars

22-10-2018, 05:32 PM

Will folk stop using the fact they're gay as a way to make other people think their opinion is more valid. I'm gay, does that mean my opinion is more valid than chuff's???

You do not speak for the experiences of other gay folk around the world! Please stop!

get off me, I didn't start bringing sexuality into this, I was responding to dean who dismissed a straight poster opinion bc of him being straight
if anything my post showed that sexuality has nothing to do with how cameron's coming out is viewed, I'm gay and I found it cringe

and nobody talks about "around the world" but britain in 2018

Underscore

22-10-2018, 05:33 PM

I can make a cracking Yorkshire pudding, can you ? and I wouldn't judge you if you couldn't

Love a good yorkshire pudding. My granddad who was proper Yorkshire, broad in his accent an all used to make smashing big ones from scratch. They were divine! God rest his soul.

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 05:36 PM

get off me, I didn't start bringing sexuality into this, I was responding to dean who dismissed a straight poster opinion bc of him being straight
if anything my post showed that sexuality has nothing to do with how cameron's coming out is viewed, I'm gay and I found it cringe

and nobody talks about "around the world" but britain in 2018

i wasn't dismissing... but struggle to see how someone can have an informed opinion on something they haven't gone through themselves..

just as people who haven't suffered racism have little right to express how POC should feel...
just as men have no right to tell women what they can/can't do with their bodies...
just as someone who is CISgender has no right to tell a transgender person how to feel/react/live their life...

list goes on.. but yeah i'll leave it there. :shrug:

Twosugars

22-10-2018, 05:37 PM

I suppose it's a sore subject for me as I still know many (unhappy) people living double lives in the closet - so apologies if i appeared on my 'high horse' but i really struggle to accept people's opinions on issues they have no experience with...
:hug:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. I take your point and am familiar with what you talk about.
His situation is a bit different tho, with tv cameras, endless and unnecessary monologues about it. It felt a bit ott to me.

Elliot

22-10-2018, 05:38 PM

Will folk stop using the fact they're gay as a way to make other people think their opinion is more valid. I'm gay, does that mean my opinion is more valid than chuff's???

You do not speak for the experiences of other gay folk around the world! Please stop!

Well it certainly makes a difference. People with actual experiences regarding this matter also probably have more empathy for others going through the same thing than someone people who have never met a gay person for example. It doesn’t make their opinion any less, but you can see why people value it more

And tbh at the time, and still do tbh, I found the coming out episode cringe. It was so played up by production with the cheesy party n such

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 05:41 PM

Well it certainly makes a difference. People with actual experiences regarding this matter also probably have more empathy for others going through the same thing than someone people who have never met a gay person for example. It doesn’t make their opinion any less, but you can see why people value it more

And tbh at the time, and still do tbh, I found the coming out episode cringe. It was so played up by production with the cheesy party n such

I suppose nobody had come out on TV before that I know of and in that it was a step in the right direction, and I thought the party was a real sweet touch... I was watching a video on facebook the other day about a guy in Manchester who became homeless after his parents rejected him coming out and had been living on the streets for 6 years because of it... so when things like that happen, seeing it celebrated is... refreshing? :shrug:

Twosugars

22-10-2018, 05:41 PM

i wasn't dismissing... but struggle to see how someone can have an informed opinion on something they haven't gone through themselves..

just as people who haven't suffered racism have little right to express how POC should feel...
just as men have no right to tell women what they can/can't do with their bodies...
just as someone who is CISgender has no right to tell a transgender person how to feel/react/live their life...

list goes on.. but yeah i'll leave it there. :shrug:

Dean, I do agree with your points, but remember this one was on tv, be it cameron or production or both milked it a week or two too long, that's all. I don't dismiss his right to come out on tv as such.
Anyhow, peace, huh? :hug:

deanmontague

22-10-2018, 05:42 PM

Dean, I do agree with your points, but remember this one was on tv, be it cameron or production or both milked it a week or two too long, that's all. I don't dismiss his right to come out on tv as such.
Anyhow, peace, huh? :hug:

No I agree and i'm sure in ways it was part of his game plan.. but yeah :hug::flutter:

Alf

22-10-2018, 05:47 PM

Mmmmmmmmmmmm! Yorkshire pudding!

Twosugars

22-10-2018, 05:48 PM

No I agree and i'm sure in ways it was part of his game plan.. but yeah :hug::flutter:

:kiss:
it's really nitpicking I know, but that's what we do on a bb forum :shrug:
there's no question that to those lgbt people in the closet the whole thing must have felt important and helpful.
there's still plenty of people who'd prefer us to "know our place"

TomC

22-10-2018, 06:24 PM

I hate Cameron, but this really pisses me off. Coming out can still be extremely difficult, and I'd presume, based on this thread, you'd have no idea what it's like.

Elliot

22-10-2018, 06:30 PM

I suppose nobody had come out on TV before that I know of and in that it was a step in the right direction, and I thought the party was a real sweet touch... I was watching a video on facebook the other day about a guy in Manchester who became homeless after his parents rejected him coming out and had been living on the streets for 6 years because of it... so when things like that happen, seeing it celebrated is... refreshing? :shrug:

Yeah it makes sense it just rang X factor sob story alarms for me. I think they knew it’d be relatively publicised so they just kinda went with it. Also like there’s been lgbt arcs before on big brother and the house was relatively accepting. Take bb13 for example with Luke a coming out as trans to everyone and literally everyone being respectful, and tbh transgender is far less accepted in society at the moment too. Considering the episode came off some spiteful behaviour to akeem from him and Lewis too it was just a very sour episode for me, but it grabbed headlines so what do I know

bots

22-10-2018, 06:35 PM

Either way folk are being manipulated emotionally set up by the producers and Cameron. The facts are there for all to see if they want to look at them. The story gave him a short term boost in popularity and it then sank back down again. That tells me viewers don't see it as a particularly big deal

Beso

22-10-2018, 10:17 PM

I've just watched Ryan stride up to a women in the audience and tell her after asking her a question, " I didn't listen to a word you said cause j was looking at your amazing cleavage"

Is he allowed to judge what a decent set of tits are?

Never mind behave like that on telly!!!

GoldHeart

22-10-2018, 10:21 PM

The guy is clearly using it as a game play tactic, despite his pretending that he isn't. he knows that BB has a large gay following and it's clearly deliberatly trying to appeal to that.

The whole, "I never intended to come out in the house" thing is such clear BS.

This has been my problem with Cam from day 1... His contrived moves in there. I like HMs that play the game against the house, but I 'hate' HMs that try to win by playing the public.

From day 1 Cameron was plotting his soap story for attention & popularity :notimpressed: .

You've said everything I've been saying :clap1: ,of course it was a game tactic and he's a sly weasel that's fooled the public and played them like a fiddle .

Marsh.

22-10-2018, 10:26 PM

"I can't possibly conceive of someone else's experiences and life that could very well vastly differ from my own relatively privileged existence and therefore any problem I can't imagine isn't a problem at all and is just pathetic and attention seeking!"

Not really something any mature person would admit in public.

Marsh.

22-10-2018, 10:27 PM

Fair enough if you have a problem with Cameron himself and find him disingenuous but to dismiss actual real lives and experiences as "it's 2018 nobody cares" as though people don't still die for daring to be "different" is actually pretty disgusting and you should probably delete your account.

Beso

22-10-2018, 10:31 PM

From day 1 Cameron was plotting his soap story for attention & popularity :notimpressed: .

You've said everything I've been saying :clap1: ,of course it was a game tactic and he's a sly weasel that's fooled the public and played them like a fiddle .

Whilst akeem has played you and the rest of his adoring fans like giant trombones.