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Fetch The Bolt Cutters
22-10-2018, 11:35 PM
https://i.imgur.com/dxIiokv.jpg
Vanessa
22-10-2018, 11:36 PM
I'd love to hear the housemates talk about those.
rusticgal
22-10-2018, 11:36 PM
Ok...:conf:
RileyH
22-10-2018, 11:36 PM
:joker:
Yaki da
22-10-2018, 11:37 PM
Just when you think he can't get any worse he starts turning into Bono
Jack_
22-10-2018, 11:38 PM
Émile Durkheim is SHAKING!
montblanc
22-10-2018, 11:39 PM
ugh he sounds like those headass twitter posts like 'dOn'T tExT mE wYd aLL tHe tiMe, lEt's TalK aBoUt spAce, sEx, poLiTiCs, etc.'
GoldHeart
22-10-2018, 11:41 PM
Well Lewis looks homeless so i guess he can relate :whistle:
Mystic Mock
22-10-2018, 11:41 PM
Tbf it would be nice to hear other types of conversations on the show.
But it all depends on how he put it across and if he was dictating to people about what they should talk about as I dislike anyone that does that sort of behaviour.
I haven't been watching it the past couple of days just so that people don't find this post strange.
RileyH
22-10-2018, 11:43 PM
Well Lewis looks homeless so i guess he can relate :whistle:
:whistle:
BBDodge
22-10-2018, 11:47 PM
In the off season forums are full of threads saying we want more intelligent discussions from housemates.
But whilst the show is on, no - more about bumholes, penises, poo and wee.
Daniel-X
22-10-2018, 11:55 PM
In the off season forums are full of threads saying we want more intelligent discussions from housemates.
But whilst the show is on, no - more about bumholes, penises, poo and wee.
I haven't seen one thread saying this? lmao.
If anything 'Year of the Woman' got criticised on here quite heavily for being too politically focused on gender/LGBT/political issues. Because at the end of the day sis if i wanted to i'd just watch Question Time or Newsnight, with people who know what they're talking about. Rather than watch some pretentious barman from Stockton-on-Tees spouting his opinion.
deanmontague
22-10-2018, 11:57 PM
I don't see what is wrong with wanting to discuss serious topics that effect society?
Recently I watched a video on FB of a guy who came out to his parents who rejected him and has been living homeless in Manchester on the streets since.
This weekend one of my FB friends commited suicide (nobody saw it coming) and 2/3rds of suicide victims are men. why?
and is politics not more cruical now than ever given trump is in power and we're going through brexit?
Meh... i just remember watching Courtney Act in CBB and living for her educational discussions explaining one of the trans housemates circumstances (who was awful to watch) and how nice it was to see the way she educated others.. we need more of that. :shrug:
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 12:00 AM
these things can't be forced, clearly they're not interested in talking about it
unless lewis wants to preach and tell them what to think
in the meantime
Daddy! :creep:
Vanessa
23-10-2018, 12:00 AM
:clap1:I don't see what is wrong with wanting to discuss serious topics that effect society?
Recently I watched a video on FB of a guy who came out to his parents who rejected him and has been living homeless in Manchester on the streets since.
This weekend one of my FB friends commited suicide (nobody saw it coming) and 2/3rds of suicide victims are men. why?
and is politics not more cruical now than ever given trump is in power and we're going through brexit?
Meh... i just remember watching Courtney Act in CBB and living for her educational discussions explaining one of the trans housemates circumstances (who was awful to watch) and how nice it was to see the way she educated others.. we need more of that. :shrug:
BBDodge
23-10-2018, 12:06 AM
I haven't seen one thread saying this? lmao.
If anything 'Year of the Woman' got criticised on here quite heavily for being too politically focused on gender/LGBT/political issues. Because at the end of the day sis if i wanted to i'd just watch Question Time or Newsnight, with people who know what they're talking about. Rather than watch some pretentious barman from Stockton-on-Tees spouting his opinion.
Well here's one for starters:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337610
rusticgal
23-10-2018, 12:08 AM
Tbf it would be nice to hear other types of conversations on the show.
But it all depends on how he put it across and if he was dictating to people about what they should talk about as I dislike anyone that does that sort of behaviour.
I haven't been watching it the past couple of days just so that people don't find this post strange.
He wasn't dictating...he was just suggesting a more adult conversation...something with a bit more depth.
Well here's one for starters:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337610
sweety if you wanted to back up your point you should've used a thread by anyone but Nicky
boy probably sat there and thought "we need less intelligent conversation on BB!" just a half hour later
in fact, in that same thread, you got one person saying they want less intelligent people and someone wanting both intelligent and unintelligent people
like at the end of the day, Big Brother fans remember Kinga using a wine bottle to masturbate, not Ann Widdecombe sharing her political views
Yaki da
23-10-2018, 12:16 AM
like at the end of the day, Big Brother fans remember Kinga using a wine bottle to masturbate, not Ann Widdecombe sharing her political views
I don't know. I liked Ann. Shame she didn't win imo.
I don't know. I liked Ann. Shame she didn't win imo.
Oh I did enjoy her at times but if I have to think of a moment about her, I think of her shouting "LEFT!!! LEFT!!! LEFT!!!" and not... well I actually can't think of any views she discussed and that was the prime focus of the first four days before the men went in
deanmontague
23-10-2018, 12:19 AM
I don't know. I liked Ann. Shame she didn't win imo.
oh my god her winning would have been equivalent to trump gaining power (dramatised slightly).
im soooo glad i wasn't on these forums for that season - i would have had a a stroke argueing with people over her :joker:
Yaki da
23-10-2018, 12:22 AM
oh my god her winning would have been equivalent to trump gaining power (dramatised slightly).
A great victory for the Western world then.
Elliot
23-10-2018, 12:24 AM
It’s not even about people having these conversations it’s how Lewis thinks he’s above it all since he’s obviously going for that kind of aesthetic when in reality he’s just as petty and horny, if not more so, than the simpletons he mocks on his high horse. He’s never been aired having these conversations anyway, and mocked Kay for her passionate beliefs :shrug:
rusticgal
23-10-2018, 12:25 AM
Well Lewis looks homeless so i guess he can relate :whistle:
Perhaps he is...is that a reason to ridicule? Shame on you.
Vanessa
23-10-2018, 12:27 AM
Are you kidding me? He's one of the most beautiful people i've ever seen!
Are you kidding me? He's one of the most beautiful people i've ever seen!
I've seen some gorgeous homeless people I wouldn't mind taking home with me
Good looks and looking homeless/being homeless are not mutually exclusive :smug:
Pro Sniper
23-10-2018, 01:45 AM
Quote: "Let's make people aware of sexuality and ****ing suicide and **** like that"
And this is the person who proclaims to want "deep and meaningfuls"..
Him desperately trying to come across as some sort of "worldly guru" is highly embarrassing. Pseudointellectual moron.
deanmontague
23-10-2018, 02:11 AM
Quote: "Let's make people aware of sexuality and ****ing suicide and **** like that"
And this is the person who proclaims to want "deep and meaningfuls"..
Him desperately trying to come across as some sort of "worldly guru" is highly embarrassing. Pseudointellectual moron.
what's not meaningful about those topics? :shrug:
Jordan.
23-10-2018, 02:33 AM
In the off season forums are full of threads saying we want more intelligent discussions from housemates.
We changed our minds, we want a cross dressing Polish man squirting a Welsh man with a water pistol whilst screaming daddy.
RileyH
23-10-2018, 02:36 AM
We changed our minds, we want a cross dressing Polish man squirting a Welsh man with a water pistol whilst screaming daddy.
Sounds too good to be true
Wow we can’t wait for Doctor Who series 54 to open with the historical and heartbreaking episode “Lewis.”
lewys
23-10-2018, 04:42 AM
I want to see them guess who the public voted the ugliest nastiest fattest housemate who doesn’t shower NOT Lewis pretending to be woke
...Serious Debates v chat and games/the chat threads..?....
Cherie
23-10-2018, 07:23 AM
You have to laugh, given he tried for the showmance with the girl that he had no deep connection with :laugh: what a hypocrite he is
Kazanne
23-10-2018, 07:35 AM
And why not discuss the important things in life? these are the best conversations that I like, nothing at all wrong with talking about serious stuff,we need more of it.That's probably why I like Lewis ,as endless smutty talk I find childish and some of it gross and quite telling of some of the housemates personalities, everything in moderation.
joeysteele
23-10-2018, 07:57 AM
He used them as examples of other things to discuss.
He added too, their life stories and life in general.
He also never inferred stopping talking about sexual matters, just not near doing so all the time.
Anyone else saying that would be getting praise, he's presented as dictating.
It was a game with that box they were doing.
It was nice to see he got a positive response to it, save for Tomasz.
Let's talk about politics, homeless people and suicide, baby! Let's talk about you and me! Let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be!
Vanessa
23-10-2018, 09:00 AM
I also love a deep, serious conversation. Give me that over the sex talk any day of the week.
People are who they are, they talk about what they want. What they talk about and how they behave determines how the public and the housemates perceive them and they are judged accordingly. Why should that be changed? To change it creates false impressions about the people.
Cherie
23-10-2018, 09:34 AM
People are who they are, they talk about what they want. What they talk about and how they behave determines how the public and the housemates perceive them and they are judged accordingly. Why should that be changed? To change it creates false impressions about the people.
Exactly
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 09:49 AM
TBH I'd like to talk to him about these things to see if he actually has any depth or insight, or if (as I strongly suspect) his desire to portray himself as deep and thoughtful is mostly window-dressing.
He's a confusing character at the moment because he waxes lyrical about being a deep thinker and philosophical, but to be honest, his interactions with others are severely lacking in any amount of deeper thought or understanding. He's intolerant of people and unwilling to even look for their depth unless it's offered to him on a platter... which is profoundly unphilosophical.
I mean yes we can all have our off days like that, and it's not an indicator of overall character, but we've seen him for 6 weeks now and I've rarely (if ever) seen him make much of an effort to examine the world from any perspective other than his own. So what exactly is it that he wants to talk about? :think:. Perhaps he wants to preach, which isn't really the same thing.
Cherie
23-10-2018, 09:51 AM
TBH I'd like to talk to him about these things to see if he actually has any depth or insight, or if (as I strongly suspect) his desire to portray himself as deep and thoughtful is mostly window-dressing.
He's a confusing character at the moment because he waxes lyrical about being a deep thinker and philosophical, but to be honest, his interactions with others are severely lacking in any amount of deeper thought or understanding. He's intolerant of people and unwilling to even look for their depth unless it's offered to him on a platter... which is profoundly unphilosophical.
I mean yes we can all have our off days like that, and it's not an indicator of overall character, but we've seen him for 6 weeks now and I've rarely (if ever) seen him make much of an effort to examine the world from any perspective other than his own. So what exactly is it that he wants to talk about? :think:. Perhaps he wants to preach, which isn't really the same thing.
You are a loveable dick to be sure
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 09:54 AM
TBH I'd like to talk to him about these things to see if he actually has any depth or insight, or if (as I strongly suspect) his desire to portray himself as deep and thoughtful is mostly window-dressing.
He's a confusing character at the moment because he waxes lyrical about being a deep thinker and philosophical, but to be honest, his interactions with others are severely lacking in any amount of deeper thought or understanding. He's intolerant of people and unwilling to even look for their depth unless it's offered to him on a platter... which is profoundly unphilosophical.
I mean yes we can all have our off days like that, and it's not an indicator of overall character, but we've seen him for 6 weeks now and I've rarely (if ever) seen him make much of an effort to examine the world from any perspective other than his own. So what exactly is it that he wants to talk about? :think:. Perhaps he wants to preach, which isn't really the same thing.
I would add (to myself :joker: ) though that I think he does VERY MUCH WANT to be that person, which is maybe why he's so keen to go there, but... I think he needs to do a lot more work on himself and an absolute boatload of introspection before he's really able to operate on that level in any way. And currently, his own mind is far too stormy for him to even do that. In fact I think he'll end up doing himself some real emotional harm if he stares into the abyss for too long before he's sorted out his own mental landscape. Basically I think he's a little boy playing with fire (excuse the pun :hehe: ) right now.
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 09:55 AM
You are a loveable dick to be sure
I've been saying it for years :hmph:
Cherie
23-10-2018, 09:56 AM
I've been saying it for years :hmph:
if you didn't hide the loveable so well :hehe:
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 10:01 AM
I would add (to myself :joker: ) though that I think he does VERY MUCH WANT to be that person, which is maybe why he's so keen to go there, but... I think he needs to do a lot more work on himself and an absolute boatload of introspection before he's really able to operate on that level in any way. And currently, his own mind is far too stormy for him to even do that. In fact I think he'll end up doing himself some real emotional harm if he stares into the abyss for too long before he's sorted out his own mental landscape. Basically I think he's a little boy playing with fire (excuse the pun :hehe: ) right now.
He says he would love a conversation on certain subjects but he cannot have a conversation on his own.
Surely that's why you haven't seen it.
He has said no one else is interested or intelligent enough to have these conversations so don't blame him for them not happening. The level of general knowledge in there is abysmal.
I am sure, I would go nuts if all I was hearing all day was smutty innuendos, body functions and make up and beauty tips.
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 10:10 AM
He says he would love a conversation on certain subjects but he cannot have a conversation on his own.
Surely that's why you haven't seen it.
He has said no one else is interested or intelligent enough to have these conversations so don't blame him for them not happening. The level of general knowledge in there is abysmal.
I am sure, I would go nuts if all I was hearing all day was smutty innuendos, body functions and make up and beauty tips.
That's not my point really. My point is that if he currently doesn't have the ability to discuss anything (it seems) in a calm and measured way, then being so eager to delve into the depths of things like social politics, suicide and mortality is a really bad idea both for himself and for anyone who would be going there with him. There are types of conversation that it's frankly just naive to plunge feet-first into to shoot the breeze or pass the time. The abyss stares back, and Lewis to be brutally honest does not seem like an emotionally healthy person right now... if he's not careful, he'll fold like wet tissue paper. Is all I'm saying. Keeping interactions fun and light has a very good purpose and can be very important... he's desperate to insist that these interactions are "lesser" instead of just "different", and that to me strongly indicates that he doesn't know how to find the balance that will (not to be melodramatic but...) keep him sane.
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 10:16 AM
That's not my point really. My point is that if he currently doesn't have the ability to discuss anything (it seems) in a calm and measured way, then being so eager to delve into the depths of things like social politics, suicide and mortality is a really bad idea both for himself and for anyone who would be going there with him. There are types of conversation that it's frankly just naive to plunge feet-first into to shoot the breeze or pass the time. The abyss stares back, and Lewis to be brutally honest does not seem like an emotionally healthy person right now... if he's not careful, he'll fold like wet tissue paper. Is all I'm saying. Keeping interactions fun and light has a very good purpose and can be very important... he's desperate to insist that these interactions are "lesser" instead of just "different", and that to me strongly indicates that he doesn't know how to find the balance that will (not to be melodramatic but...) keep him sane.
If no one can speak to him on these issues, your point is just conjecture.
He has had many laughs and carries himself well at these times.
You are putting him down through your perceived opinion of what might happen, not what has actually occurred.
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 10:18 AM
I'd like to hear his thoughts on the health benefits for flexatarians eating Dairy Penguin eggs
Jules82
23-10-2018, 10:20 AM
Tbf it would be nice to hear other types of conversations on the show.
But it all depends on how he put it across and if he was dictating to people about what they should talk about as I dislike anyone that does that sort of behaviour.
I haven't been watching it the past couple of days just so that people don't find this post strange.
I think he was consoling T. re the suggestion box. He is only asking for something which a lot of viewers may like to hear at times. He isnt telling anyone not to but to just add a little bit of interest to the house. A little bit of everything is the answer to a good community and that is how he thinks.
TBH I'd like to talk to him about these things to see if he actually has any depth or insight, or if (as I strongly suspect) his desire to portray himself as deep and thoughtful is mostly window-dressing.
He's a confusing character at the moment because he waxes lyrical about being a deep thinker and philosophical, but to be honest, his interactions with others are severely lacking in any amount of deeper thought or understanding. He's intolerant of people and unwilling to even look for their depth unless it's offered to him on a platter... which is profoundly unphilosophical.
I mean yes we can all have our off days like that, and it's not an indicator of overall character, but we've seen him for 6 weeks now and I've rarely (if ever) seen him make much of an effort to examine the world from any perspective other than his own. So what exactly is it that he wants to talk about? :think:. Perhaps he wants to preach, which isn't really the same thing.
That's not my point really. My point is that if he currently doesn't have the ability to discuss anything (it seems) in a calm and measured way, then being so eager to delve into the depths of things like social politics, suicide and mortality is a really bad idea both for himself and for anyone who would be going there with him. There are types of conversation that it's frankly just naive to plunge feet-first into to shoot the breeze or pass the time. The abyss stares back, and Lewis to be brutally honest does not seem like an emotionally healthy person right now... if he's not careful, he'll fold like wet tissue paper. Is all I'm saying. Keeping interactions fun and light has a very good purpose and can be very important... he's desperate to insist that these interactions are "lesser" instead of just "different", and that to me strongly indicates that he doesn't know how to find the balance that will (not to be melodramatic but...) keep him sane.
..I love it when our thoughts are together, TS..:lovedup:...you’re often the lovable bit and rarely the dick bit..:laugh:...yeah the thing is with Lewis, is that he feels he’s deep and aspires to be deep but he never delves below the surface with people...he judges only on surface and so deprives himself of getting to know so many housemates in any depth...what would be their views on politics, on homelessness, in suicide...?...he has no idea because he’s already made judgements and all judgements that he’s made are only skin deep...
I'd like to hear his thoughts on the health benefits for flexatarians eating Dairy Penguin eggs
...while you’re both taking a long flight to China together...?...
Jules82
23-10-2018, 10:22 AM
It’s not even about people having these conversations it’s how Lewis thinks he’s above it all since he’s obviously going for that kind of aesthetic when in reality he’s just as petty and horny, if not more so, than the simpletons he mocks on his high horse. He’s never been aired having these conversations anyway, and mocked Kay for her passionate beliefs :shrug:
Kay thought she was too good for the house, she thought she was perfect but naturally she wasnt and isnt.
If no one can speak to him on these issues, your point is just conjecture.
He has had many laughs and carries himself well at these times.
You are putting him down through your perceived opinion of what might happen, not what has actually occurred.
..it is what has already occurred though and not conjecture...he’s judged the majority of his housemates as snakes and reptiles..not people he’s delved below the surface of but of people he hasn’t wanted to delve below the surface of...
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 10:25 AM
If no one can speak to him on these issues, your point is just conjecture.
He has had many laughs and carries himself well at these times.
You are putting him down through your perceived opinion of what might happen, not what has actually occurred.
I'm not putting him down, I'm analysing his character in a social situation because he's on a show that has been about analysing characters in social situations since the day it was conceptualised. I don't think he's a bad person, I certainly don't think he's "evil" or "scum" or any of the other stuff that's been thrown around about him, but I do know (for a fact, because he's said it) that he considers certain types of conversation and interaction to be inherently "better" than others which I find naive, and he has frequently shown that he struggles to keep his emotions balanced, and those things combined (in my opinion) show a lack of the intellectual maturity and emotional stability that's required to properly engage in a balanced discussion of the things he wants to talk about.
Being blunt I find it highly unlikely that he could continue an interaction on these topics with someone who doesn't agree with what he's saying for very long without becoming frustrated or angry. I think he assumes that a different perspective = "people who just don't get it". And that's not a conversation.
I would add that the reason I'm pretty confident about these things is that I've been there. I lived there for years :think:... :joker:.
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 10:25 AM
...while you’re both taking a long flight to China together...?...
If I could hear anything over that bloody screaming baby :oh:
If I could hear anything over that bloody screaming baby :oh:
..:laugh:...Lewis - ‘can you throw that goddamn baby out of the exit door..I’m trying to explain to Niamh about the health benefits for flexatarians eating dairy penguin eggs..’....
Jules82
23-10-2018, 10:30 AM
"..I love it when our thoughts are together, TS.....you’re often the lovable bit and rarely the dick bit.....yeah the thing is with Lewis, is that he feels he’s deep and aspires to be deep but he never delves below the surface with people...he judges only on surface and so deprives himself of getting to know so many housemates in any depth...what would be their views on politics, on homelessness, in suicide...?...he has no idea because he’s already made judgements and all judgements that he’s made are only skin deep..."
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It doesnt pay to be judgemental and this is what we are all doing without more knowledge of a situation. We do not know what depth anyone of them have gone into behind the scenes as we only see a small edit of all things. it has become for years now, the way of the powers that be to produce the thing which they feel the public want and need and that is scraps, negativity, fights etc. etc. They think they cater only for the young, (not saying that the young need their interpretation of whats right and wrong in the programme) they seem to forget that there are those who have been there since day one and each one has aged, these are their loyal viewers. The young of today are out and about having their kind of fun. So a mix of everything is great, the older have learnt to grow with the programme. My point is there has been chats behind the scene which havent been shown. We know this by remarks made, Tomasz is intelligent etc. etc. many remarks proving that we just do not see all other than the negativity which overtakes the producers minds. Many enjoy it...
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Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 10:31 AM
If I could hear anything over that bloody screaming baby :oh:
Don't disrespect Bau Bau :nono:. Best housemate of 2018.
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 10:32 AM
..I love it when our thoughts are together, TS.....you’re often the lovable bit and rarely the dick bit.....yeah the thing is with Lewis, is that he feels he’s deep and aspires to be deep but he never delves below the surface with people...he judges only on surface and so deprives himself of getting to know so many housemates in any depth...what would be their views on politics, on homelessness, in suicide...?...he has no idea because he’s already made judgements and all judgements that he’s made are only skin deep...
It doesnt pay to be judgemental and this is what we are all doing without more knowledge of a situation. We do not know what depth anyone of them have gone into behind the scenes as we only see a small edit of all things. it has become for years now, the way of the powers that be to produce the thing which they feel the public want and need and that is scraps, negativity, fights etc. etc. They think they cater only for the young, (not saying that the young need their interpretation of whats right and wrong in the programme) they seem to forget that there are those who have been there since day one and each one has aged, these are their loyal viewers. The young of today are out and about having their kind of fun. So a mix of everything is great, the older have learnt to grow with the programme. My point is there has been chats behind the scene which havent been shown. We know this by remarks made, Tomasz is intelligent etc. etc. many remarks proving that we just do not see all other than the negativity which overtakes the producers minds. Many enjoy it...
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Yeah great post. And actually he's missing out. Sian claims herself not to be deep but she's come out with some very wise thoughts, I think she puts herself down unnecessarily or wrongly
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 10:33 AM
Don't disrespect Bau Bau :nono:. Best housemate of 2018.
Green bobble hat ftw tbh
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 10:33 AM
Green bobble hat ftw tbh
Bau Bau wearing the green bobble hat?
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 10:35 AM
I'm now imagining their faces if Emma Willis' voice came on announcing that "the winner of big brother 2018 is............... That green bobble hat you all keep wearing! Congratulations, hat."
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 10:39 AM
Bau Bau wearing the green bobble hat?
a match made in heaven
"..I love it when our thoughts are together, TS.....you’re often the lovable bit and rarely the dick bit.....yeah the thing is with Lewis, is that he feels he’s deep and aspires to be deep but he never delves below the surface with people...he judges only on surface and so deprives himself of getting to know so many housemates in any depth...what would be their views on politics, on homelessness, in suicide...?...he has no idea because he’s already made judgements and all judgements that he’s made are only skin deep..."
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It doesnt pay to be judgemental and this is what we are all doing without more knowledge of a situation. We do not know what depth anyone of them have gone into behind the scenes as we only see a small edit of all things. it has become for years now, the way of the powers that be to produce the thing which they feel the public want and need and that is scraps, negativity, fights etc. etc. They think they cater only for the young, (not saying that the young need their interpretation of whats right and wrong in the programme) they seem to forget that there are those who have been there since day one and each one has aged, these are their loyal viewers. The young of today are out and about having their kind of fun. So a mix of everything is great, the older have learnt to grow with the programme. My point is there has been chats behind the scene which havent been shown. We know this by remarks made, Tomasz is intelligent etc. etc. many remarks proving that we just do not see all other than the negativity which overtakes the producers minds. Many enjoy it...
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..that’s the thing though..Tomasz is judged on his sexual innuendos, for instance, as being one dimensional...Sian is judged because shes fine cooking food for them or clearing up after them...Akeem is judged because he’s fairly easy going by nature but competitive as well...Cian is judged because of his positivity and that he prefers to be around lightness and fun...etc, etc...with no real attempt by Lewis to discover any depths in people...
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 10:40 AM
I'm not putting him down, I'm analysing his character in a social situation because he's on a show that has been about analysing characters in social situations since the day it was conceptualised. I don't think he's a bad person, I certainly don't think he's "evil" or "scum" or any of the other stuff that's been thrown around about him, but I do know (for a fact, because he's said it) that he considers certain types of conversation and interaction to be inherently "better" than others which I find naive, and he has frequently shown that he struggles to keep his emotions balanced, and those things combined (in my opinion) show a lack of the intellectual maturity and emotional stability that's required to properly engage in a balanced discussion of the things he wants to talk about.
Being blunt I find it highly unlikely that he could continue an interaction on these topics with someone who doesn't agree with what he's saying for very long without becoming frustrated or angry. I think he assumes that a different perspective = "people who just don't get it". And that's not a conversation.
I would add that the reason I'm pretty confident about these things is that I've been there. I lived there for years :think:... :joker:.
You don't know how he could react though.
Because he might be having an interesting discussion with someone on a subject he is interested in, he could find it highly enjoyable.
You are basing your analysis on his frustrations in the past and not on any actual conversation he might care to have in the future.
It's not going to happen because there are not many in there who could have this conversation. I think he is dying to have this conversation and perhaps learn from it too, it doesn't automatically follow that he will blow up if he regards the other person has an educated and valid point of view.
You don't know how he could react though.
Because he might be having an interesting discussion with someone on a subject he is interested in, he could find it highly enjoyable.
You are basing your analysis on his frustrations in the past and not on any actual conversation he might care to have in the future.
It's not going to happen because there are not many in there who could have this conversation. I think he is dying to have this conversation and perhaps learn from it too, it doesn't automatically follow that he will blow up if he regards the other person has an educated and valid point of view.
...whether Lewis agreed with the opinions of or not...everyone in there could have those conversations if those conversations were sought ..rather than judgements and assumptions made...
Jules82
23-10-2018, 10:48 AM
I'm not putting him down, I'm analysing his character in a social situation because he's on a show that has been about analysing characters in social situations since the day it was conceptualised. I don't think he's a bad person, I certainly don't think he's "evil" or "scum" or any of the other stuff that's been thrown around about him, but I do know (for a fact, because he's said it) that he considers certain types of conversation and interaction to be inherently "better" than others which I find naive, and he has frequently shown that he struggles to keep his emotions balanced, and those things combined (in my opinion) show a lack of the intellectual maturity and emotional stability that's required to properly engage in a balanced discussion of the things he wants to talk about.
Being blunt I find it highly unlikely that he could continue an interaction on these topics with someone who doesn't agree with what he's saying for very long without becoming frustrated or angry. I think he assumes that a different perspective = "people who just don't get it". And that's not a
conversation.
I would add that the reason I'm pretty confident about these things is that I've been there. I lived there for years :think:... :joker:.
You have good points there TS but I have no doubt that you will also realise that it is very difficult to go into a programme of self improvement. There are so many things that will bring us down just like that, then we have to learn control. I say this also with knowledge and I have found myself taking myself to task, then I have learnt where I went wrong.
For Lewis this is a good exercise, he put himself, warts and all, in front of the public for approval along with the cash. For me I believe that he will analise all things and see where he can go further in his quest. On the other hand he is going to be successful no matter what and it will depend on whether he lets materialism end it for a while. He will take himself to task because he is that sort of person even if he seems negative. Thereagain can we be sure, not really but it is a positive judgement.
Each one of them will have learnt something if they are wise enough to accept the results and after all it is supposed to be a social experiment. :wavey:
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 10:52 AM
...whether Lewis agreed with the opinions of or not...everyone in there could have those conversations if those conversations were sought ..rather than judgements and assumptions made...
I disagree, I am of an advanced age, I was in a family gathering where the sole topic of conversation between the younger members of the family was mobile phones, it went on for hours and I couldn't get away quick enough.
If I was in that house and there were hundreds of sexual remarks made everyday, I wouldn't care to get in deep conversations either. This day after day after day.
The women and make up.
Gay sex and its connotations both men and women which even Cameron can't take.
Mr Boring who has no opinions but to tell everyone how good he is
Idiots like Hussain and Lewis G taunting and baiting
Zoe and her daily routines
The opportunities for deep conversations are almost nil.
You have good points there TS but I have no doubt that you will also realise that it is very difficult to go into a programme of self improvement. There are so many things that will bring us down just like that, then we have to learn control. I say this also with knowledge and I have found myself taking myself to task, then I have learnt where I went wrong.
For Lewis this is a good exercise, he put himself, warts and all, in front of the public for approval along with the cash. For me I believe that he will analise all things and see where he can go further in his quest. On the other hand he is going to be successful no matter what and it will depend on whether he lets materialism end it for a while. He will take himself to task because he is that sort of person even if he seems negative. Thereagain can we be sure, not really but it is a positive judgement.
Each one of them will have learnt something if they are wise enough to accept the results and after all it is supposed to be a social experiment. :wavey:
..I just wish he would have the same understanding of others though is the thing...like with Kay for instance when she was struggling..?..and struggling in the way she struggled which was typical of her character..?...as Lewis has struggled in the way that his typical to his character...?...really no difference but he dismissed the negativity she was absorbing and how unhappy it was making her feel as ...’why did you come into the house then and deprive someone else of the experience’...it’s just that lack of self awareness and lack of compassion for others if he’s in any way criticised...
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 11:01 AM
You have good points there TS but I have no doubt that you will also realise that it is very difficult to go into a programme of self improvement. There are so many things that will bring us down just like that, then we have to learn control. I say this also with knowledge and I have found myself taking myself to task, then I have learnt where I went wrong.
For Lewis this is a good exercise, he put himself, warts and all, in front of the public for approval along with the cash. For me I believe that he will analise all things and see where he can go further in his quest. On the other hand he is going to be successful no matter what and it will depend on whether he lets materialism end it for a while. He will take himself to task because he is that sort of person even if he seems negative. Thereagain can we be sure, not really but it is a positive judgement.
I do think that Lewis will learn a lot from this and probably change in many ways if he goes back and watches through the series, to be fair. I think getting an outside perspective on himself will be quite eye-opening and I doubt he'll like everything that he sees. Which is true of everyone who goes onto a show like this, I guess, but Lewis specifically has shown a lot of interest in "bettering himself" (meditation, yoga etc.) so will hopefully be paying attention.
On the other hand, he's quite likely to win which might put a dampener on that as it will be very affirming.
I disagree, I am of an advanced age, I was in a family gathering where the sole topic of conversation between the younger members of the family was mobile phones, it went on for hours and I couldn't get away quick enough.
If I was in that house and there were hundreds of sexual remarks made everyday, I wouldn't care to get in deep conversations either. This day after day after day.
The women and make up.
Gay sex and its connotations both men and women which even Cameron can't take.
Mr Boring who has no opinions but to tell everyone how good he is
Idiots like Hussain and Lewis G taunting and baiting
Zoe and her daily routines
The opportunities for deep conversations are almost nil.
..I kind of think we’re complete opposites in that specific vein, Poppsy...I’m fine talking about make up if that’s what a particular interest is...I’m fine being enlightened about gay sexual acts but wouldn’t have much input myself, being heterosexual...Hussain and Lewis ..?...they were both very much playing ‘parts’ but I would be interested in their reality and not their part playing...being a parent is much about routines so there would be lots of routine stuff which would be fun to discuss with Zoe...
...I think it’s an agree to disagree thing...:love:..
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 11:17 AM
..I kind of think we’re complete opposites in that specific vein, Poppsy...I’m fine talking about make up if that’s what a particular interest is...I’m fine being enlightened about gay sexual acts but wouldn’t have much input myself, being heterosexual...Hussain and Lewis ..?...they were both very much playing ‘parts’ but I would be interested in their reality and not their part playing...being a parent is much about routines so there would be lots of routine stuff which would be fun to discuss with Zoe...
...I think it’s an agree to disagree thing...:love:..
I wasn't referring to you or I in referring to the housemates but as to why Lewis cannot get into deep conversations with these people.
Jules82
23-10-2018, 11:19 AM
Yeah great post. And actually he's missing out. Sian claims herself not to be deep but she's come out with some very wise thoughts, I think she puts herself down unnecessarily or wrongly
Sad really as neither of them for some reason, have made the effort to get to know one another. I dont think she puts herself down though but I have never seen them have a conversation. Most of the other girls have been in his company, Brooke and Zoe especially but both have been negative as well to him. When it is all over they may get to know one another better and the public wont be looking in to criticise any of their actions. Good luck to them all.
I wasn't referring to you or I in referring to the housemates but as to why Lewis cannot get into deep conversations with these people.
...but why he can’t get into deeper conversations with them imo...is because he’s judged them by surface stuff...
Jules82
23-10-2018, 11:29 AM
I do think that Lewis will learn a lot from this and probably change in many ways if he goes back and watches through the series, to be fair. I think getting an outside perspective on himself will be quite eye-opening and I doubt he'll like everything that he sees. Which is true of everyone who goes onto a show like this, I guess, but Lewis specifically has shown a lot of interest in "bettering himself" (meditation, yoga etc.) so will hopefully be paying attention.
On the other hand, he's quite likely to win which might put a dampener on that as it will be very affirming.
I am always interested in anyone who studies yoga and especially meditation, there are such great heights to be obtained but it is hard when one comes back to reality. The task of learning to keep a foot in each level of thought, is hard and reality is brutal but we live in a confused world and we have to accept it and learn how to control our own thoughts and tasks.
If he wins and doesnt spend it wisely he will learn something from that I have no doubt, who knows what he would spend the money on? What will any of them do? He hasnt put forward a sob story other than his self destruction but naturally this applies to all of them. Most will be forgotten and we will be onto our next series. Mmmmm but will we? Take care now.
Jules82
23-10-2018, 11:36 AM
...but why he can’t get into deeper conversations with them imo...is because he’s judged them by surface stuff...
Aggrevatingly enough I wrote an answer and then it was erased. The gist of my comments is this, they have each judged him in return. He has been the subject of many conversations, most negatively. He has been their scapegoat along with Akeem. We do not know what conversations have been going on behind the scenes, we are only shown negatively as the producers think this is what the public want. None have possibly made the time to chat but those who have are not necessarily interested in any way, as said by some who have left.
Tomasz made sure that Hussain knew that the house was against him, he loaded his gun and then sat back and watched the fall out.....so much but as said we only see a little and everything can be taken out of context with the edits. With off hour viewing it was easy to see that sometimes the edits are taken out of context. We do not get live feed now though, sad really.
jaxie
23-10-2018, 11:42 AM
I don't care what they talk about as long as it isn't too boring to watch but I think trying censor others conversations is wrong. Tomasz does overdo the sex talk but that is who he is.
Once again Lewis is trying to dictate but without making any effort to make those conversation, probably because he is the most shallow of all.
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 11:50 AM
[QUOTE=Ammi;10306201]...but why he can’t get into deeper conversations with them imo...is because he’s judged them by surface stuff...[/QUOTE
I think because he has been nominated so many times, he feels alienated from and towards the other housemates.
Add this to their other choices of topics, by night after night in the smoking area perhaps Lewis feels there wasn't much in common to talk to them about.
He has had a rough ride from Day 1 with Lewis G and others on his case, so he has retreated to places where he feels most comfortable. Delving deeply into details about people he doesn't care about isn't one of them.
He seems IMO to need stimulating and educational conversations about subjects which are never addressed in the house, who is to say when he actually gets one how he might be, happier? Not so frustrated?
He does respond to people who do have a modicum of seriousness, Brooke when she forgets about make up or being graphic about her ladyparts can be quite interesting. Cameron, when he is not moaning and Isabella who is intelligent when she was not flinging herself at him.
Aggrevatingly enough I wrote an answer and then it was erased. The gist of my comments is this, they have each judged him in return. He has been the subject of many conversations, most negatively. He has been their scapegoat along with Akeem. We do not know what conversations have been going on behind the scenes, we are only shown negatively as the producers think this is what the public want. None have possibly made the time to chat but those who have are not necessarily interested in any way, as said by some who have left.
Tomasz made sure that Hussain knew that the house was against him, he loaded his gun and then sat back and watched the fall out.....so much but as said we only see a little and everything can be taken out of context with the edits. With off hour viewing it was easy to see that sometimes the edits are taken out of context. We do not get live feed now though, sad really.
..yeah I agree, the absence of livefeed has completely changed all true perceptive we can have and made it all edited only..the villains and heroes are all created for us and all manipulated for us...and yeah, I do see that he has been judged as well on him being too deep, too serious etc...so most are happy for him to distance himself and cut himself off from things he doesn’t care to get involved in...but I guess that others haven’t set themselves up in a more ‘superior’ way as Lewis has seemed to..they haven’t seemed to see ‘deeper conversations’ in terms of superiority in any way must because that’s not where their conversations have led...I do think though that when he was explaining the suggestion..?..it didn’t give off that air of superiority or deeper than vibe...so I do feel that the experience in the house is maybe expanding his tolerance and acceptance levels a bit...
...but why he can’t get into deeper conversations with them imo...is because he’s judged them by surface stuff...
I think because he has been nominated so many times, he feels alienated from and towards the other housemates.
Add this to their other choices of topics, by night after night in the smoking area perhaps Lewis feels there wasn't much in common to talk to them about.
He has had a rough ride from Day 1 with Lewis G and others on his case, so he has retreated to places where he feels most comfortable. Delving deeply into details about people he doesn't care about isn't one of them.
He seems IMO to need stimulating and educational conversations about subjects which are never addressed in the house, who is to say when he actually gets one how he might be, happier? Not so frustrated?
He does respond to people who do have a modicum of seriousness, Brooke when she forgets about make up or being graphic about her ladyparts can be quite interesting. Cameron, when he is not moaning and Isabella who is intelligent when she was not flinging herself at him.
..it might be though that chat may have been deeper with the absence of Lewis’ personality and impact on the house in general..that housemates have been drawn more to positivity ..(...and lighter stuff..)...because of his more extreme negative personality...like a natural counterbalance thing....
...ughhhhh I hate when the quotes get all messed up...so confusing..:laugh:..
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 11:55 AM
...ughhhhh I hate when the quotes get all messed up...so confusing..:laugh:..
fixed :love:
fixed :love:
..:lovedup:..I love me an amazing and speedy mod..:flutter:..
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 12:04 PM
..it might be though that chat may have been deeper with the absence of Lewis’ personality and impact on the house in general..that housemates have been drawn more to positivity ..(...and lighter stuff..)...because of his more extreme negative personality...like a natural counterbalance thing....
I think you might be clutching at straws there
The level of general knowledge puts paid to that
Lewis is rarely seen with them in the garden when Thomasz is holding court. If Thomasz wanted to, he could have an interesting conversation as he once started to but then it descends once again to his innuendos when a man sits down near him. Not all men would want this.
I doubt there is an interesting conversation about the state of World or Home affairs that interest them, if it doesn't come from reality TV shows.
Cherie
23-10-2018, 12:06 PM
I don't care what they talk about as long as it isn't too boring to watch but I think trying censor others conversations is wrong. Tomasz does overdo the sex talk but that is who he is.
Once again Lewis is trying to dictate but without making any effort to make those conversation, probably because he is the most shallow of all.
:love:
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:07 PM
We love a socially conscious icon
I think you might be clutching at straws there
The level of general knowledge puts paid to that
Lewis is rarely seen with them in the garden when Thomasz is holding court. If Thomasz wanted to, he could have an interesting conversation as he once started to but then it descends once again to his innuendos when a man sits down near him. Not all men would want this.
I doubt there is an interesting conversation about the state of World or Home affairs that interest them, if it doesn't come from reality TV shows.
..not so much clutching straws, Poppsy...but more exploring possibilities..:laugh:...Lewis tends to wholly focus on the negatives which he can’t connect with ..rather than ignoring them and trying to refocus elsewhere...to conversations which would interest him...all of the other stuff doesn’t have to detract from that, he’s just allowed it to...
We love a socially conscious icon
..:laugh:..that’ll be Sian then..:love:..
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:14 PM
..:laugh:..that’ll be Sian then..:love:..
Not with all the fags she smokes :nono:
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 12:15 PM
..:laugh:..that’ll be Sian then..:love:..
Yes, she fulfills the tobacco and alcohol lobby for the lack of personality party 2018
Not with all the fags she smokes :nono:
...yeah we probably need to try get her on the vape as soon as possible for the first step, I reckon...
Yes, she fulfills the tobacco and alcohol lobby for the lack of personality party 2018
..I love her personality..:love:.smoking and enjoying some alcohol is what she does not what she is...
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:23 PM
...yeah we probably need to try get her on the vape as soon as possible for the first step, I reckon...
She can keep her cider, just give up the cancer sticks!
She can keep her cider, just give up the cancer sticks!
..now that would have been the story arc of a journey had she given up smoking during her time in BB...we’ve never seen that during any BB I don’t think...
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:27 PM
..now that would have been the story arc of a journey had she given up smoking during her time in BB...we’ve never seen that during any BB I don’t think...
She missed a major trick, her lungs getting pinker could have won her 100k, silly girl
She missed a major trick, her lungs getting pinker could have won her 100k, silly girl
.. nasty Lewis making her chain smoke her way through it for survival ...(..I’m joking..:laugh:..)...
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:33 PM
.. nasty Lewis making her chain smoke her way through it for survival ...(..I’m joking..:laugh:..)...
Best gameplan in BB history? :think:
Best gameplan in BB history? :think:
..:laugh:..well Tomasz has already spent time in hospital and is weakened so he should be easy now...one by one the gameplan unfolds just as intended...
susie q
23-10-2018, 01:41 PM
I haven't seen one thread saying this? lmao.
If anything 'Year of the Woman' got criticised on here quite heavily for being too politically focused on gender/LGBT/political issues. Because at the end of the day sis if i wanted to i'd just watch Question Time or Newsnight, with people who know what they're talking about. Rather than watch some pretentious barman from Stockton-on-Tees spouting his opinion.
I do watch question time and newsnight, because these are the programmes I expect to provide me with information on politics and social issues. I watch BB because I like watching how a mix of people get on together, and regard it as entertainment programme. The sexual talk is no more than the, Saucy seaside postcard variety of inuenendo. Both Lewis and Cameron knew what they were signing up for and dont have the right to dictate what other people talk about.
The self styled Guru from Stockton on tees should just get over it.
poppsywoppsy
23-10-2018, 01:44 PM
I do watch question time and newsnight, because these are the programmes I expect to provide me with information on politics and social issues. I watch BB because I like watching how a mix of people get on together, and regard it as entertainment programme. The sexual talk is no more than the, Saucy seaside postcard variety of inuenendo. Both Lewis and Cameron knew what they were signing up for and dont have the right to dictate what other people talk about.
The self styled Guru from Stockton on tees should just get over it.
Are you quite sure images :fist:of fisting can be found on seaside postcards?
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