Reminding Cameron of how he helped him come out

[Niamh.]

Seemed a bit like he was trying to put him in his place and guilt him into staying away from mingling with anyone other than himself. Thoughts? :think:

[chuff me dizzy]

And rightly so

[Vanessa]

I don't think so. If anything, i think it's better that they have their own friends now. If Lewis was jealous he wouldn't be joking about him and Akeem. He would have kicked off big time.

[Niamh.]

And rightly so

Really? Cameron shouldn't be allowed speak to anyone else because lewis listened to him about coming out?

[Jake.]

And rightly so

No, not at all. Lewis chose to get involved with that aspect of Cameron’s life and has no right to use it against him when he so wishes.

[chuff me dizzy]

Really? Cameron shouldn't be allowed speak to anyone else because lewis listened to him about coming out?

No Im not saying that I'm saying Lewis was the only real friend Cameron had in there until 2 weeks ago, he shouldn't forget that

[Cherie]

Seemed a bit like he was trying to put him in his place and guilt him into staying away from mingling with anyone other than himself. Thoughts? :think:

it was all jokey jokey but it was a bit uncomfortable at the same time, I hope he doesn't carry on like this on the outside

[Vanessa]

No Im not saying that I'm saying Lewis was the only real friend Cameron had in there until 2 weeks ago, he shouldn't forget that

I don't like the way Cameron just froze him out. He has been cold with Lewis lately. After he has been there for him, i think that's wrong.

[Niamh.]

No Im not saying that I'm saying Lewis was the only real friend Cameron had in there until 2 weeks ago, he shouldn't forget that

That's totally not true, everyone always liked Cameron and everyone still does.

[rusticgal]

Well he did help him...fact. Did he have him up against a wall when he said that or was he just chatting to him stating a fact?...:rolleyes:
If anyone is obsessive about friendships in there its Zoe...

[chuff me dizzy]

How many more anti Lewis threads you going to open today Niamh ? :joker:

[Twosugars]

How many more anti Lewis threads you going to open today Niamh ? :joker:
that's none of your business

[Twosugars]

he is losing control of cameron and he doesn't like it
realizes he can't go full bunny-boiler on him so he "jokes" about it, but still sending a message

[joeysteele]

I got Lewis's point.
He was highlighting that Cameron had struggled with coming out.
Now that he had, that being possibly the hardest thing for Cameron to talk about.
If Cameron had other issues now, preying on his mind, to just now say all he wants.

Don't bottle things up, after coming out, now moving forward not going backwards.

Okay, that may come across as something Lewis needs to take on board too.
Often however, a person cannot advise or stick up for themselves, while at the same time being of great help to others.

All this nonsense of them getting at each other or not the strong friends they still are, is now tiresome frankly.

[chuff me dizzy]

that's none of your business

I was asking Niamh so that makes it none of YOUR business

[Beso]

That's totally not true, everyone always liked Cameron and everyone still does.

I would go as far as to say that Thomasz and Cameron have a stronger bond.

[Cherie]

I would go as far as to say that Thomasz and Cameron have a stronger bond.

yes it is a healthier relationship as well

[Niamh.]

How many more anti Lewis threads you going to open today Niamh ? :joker:

I'm thinking maybe 2, possibly 3 if I'm feeling energetic :smug:

[Twosugars]

I was asking Niamh so that makes it none of YOUR business
stop trying to pressure a fm

[Twosugars]

I'm thinking maybe 2, possibly 3 if I'm feeling energetic :smug:
judging by chuff's inquiry there is a thirst for more anti-lewis threads
I may open one too

[Beso]

yes it is a healthier relationship as well

Oh the tea.

[Jannigran]

As ever Joey the voice of reason

[Elliot]

It says it all doesn’t it. Trying to throw things in his face because he’s losing his grasp on Cameron. Diabolical person

[Kazanne]

yes it is a healthier relationship as well

As long as Cameron talks about his dick all the time,yes.

[Cherie]

As long as Cameron talks about his dick all the time,yes.

Actually Tomasz has given him some very good advice about relationships etc

[Kazanne]

Actually Tomasz has given him some very good advice about relationships etc

ok

[Jase.]

Nah

[Cherie]

ok

glad you agree

[ConnorTheJudge]

yes it is a healthier relationship as well
Cameron always seems uncomfortable around sex talk. I think he has more common and feels more comfortable around Lewis. He also gets Cameron sense of humour a lot better than the others.

[saiwong]

I've always got this perception that Lewis F was grooming Cameron.

However, now the groomed child has parted from the groomer and he is mad.

Lewis F has spent so much time brain-washing people so he gets the Big Brother experience he demands. Lewis F acts like a cult leader.

[Jules82]

I got Lewis's point.
He was highlighting that Cameron had struggled with coming out.
Now that he had, that being possibly the hardest thing for Cameron to talk about.
If Cameron had other issues now, preying on his mind, to just now say all he wants.

Don't bottle things up, after coming out, now moving forward not going backwards.

Okay, that may come across as something Lewis needs to take on board too.
Often however, a person cannot advise or stick up for themselves, while at the same time being of great help to others.

All this nonsense of them getting at each other or not the strong friends they
still are, is now tiresome frankly.

Ah yes couldnt think first of all what was meant. Lewis obviously wanted C to still come to him if he is in trouble with his feelings. Cameron is more settled now though, more confident and not so moany as he was. Lewis has realised this especially as he knows that Brooke is still his friend. It will be interesting to see what happens if Akeem goes. Will Cameron be jealous of their friendship, I dont think so tbh it is to near the end and they will all, if they are sensible, be watching out for their own imperfections, mmmm or may be not lol...:wavey:

[Jules82]

I've always got this perception that Lewis F was grooming Cameron.

However, now the groomed child has parted from the groomer and he is mad.

Lewis F has spent so much time brain-washing people so he gets the Big Brother experience he demands. Lewis F acts like a cult leader.

What would he be grooming him for, if you are talking about meditation and yoga, these are two things which help people on their way to a better understanding. The trouble is though, it sometimes brings about the self annaylisis which Lewis is putting himself through. A great part of him wants to be a leader and to help but his frustrations and self paranoia get in the way, this is why he walks away to be on his own. He knows he isnt good enough to take that control.

The only self grooming I would say for Cameron, is his friendship with Tomasz, trying to bring him out more before he is ready. Cian in all his jealousy with Lewis, trying to also control and then there is Akeem, bowing down to Tomasz the sexual buddah, come on Cameron say "Daddy"... yuck give the boy a chance to get out in the real world.

[saiwong]

What would he be grooming him for,

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

[Jules82]

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

Definitely not, he knows it wouldnt be in his own interest with the public if he did. He has made friendships with some of them in there, you do Cameron an injustice as he isnt a puppy dog. C has been just as volatile as the rest, possbily more so than some. He sought Lewis out for friendship in the beginning along with Tomasz. The others, because he is the youngest have treated him as a child but he is far more wary than most.

[saiwong]

Definitely not, he knows it wouldnt be in his own interest with the public if he did. He has made friendships with some of them in there, you do Cameron an injustice as he isnt a puppy dog. C has been just as volatile as the rest, possbily more so than some. He sought Lewis out for friendship in the beginning along with Tomasz. The others, because he is the youngest have treated him as a child but he is far more wary than most.

Sorry, we have to agree to disagree on this one.

I still see Lewis F/Cameron in a controlling relationship. Yes, both might want a friendship, but some friendships can turn out with one partner controlling the other. I see this in Lewis F/Cameron

[jaxie]

I think it is incredibly manipulative and guilting of Lewis to keep bringing it up and bringing up Cameron spending time with Akeem. Some of it is done is a joking way but there is definitely an undercurrent to it.

[jaxie]

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

I agree with this. I suspect that is how most of Lewis relationships pay out, hence him being single.

[Kazanne]

Lewis F wants to "control" Cameron and needs him to do as he says and follow him obediently.

:joker::joker: I just can't :joker:

[Kazanne]

I agree with this. I suspect that is how most of Lewis relationships pay out, hence him being single.


There could be lots of reasons he is single.

[Vanessa]

There could be lots of reasons he is single.

He's waiting for me :smug:

[Cal.]

Lewis is like one of those girl friends the gays get that think they OWN their gay friend

[Niamh.]

Lewis is like one of those girl friends the gays get that think they OWN their gay friend

https://i.imgur.com/N2x4OOz.jpg?1

[tanussa]

its all tongue in cheek from the cheeky chappie. hes a joker

[Beso]

Actually Tomasz has given him some very good advice about relationships etc

:thumbs:

[poppsywoppsy]

I think Lewis said it himself, he was quite hurt that Cameron is not his mate as much as he was previously.

Cameron seems quite different lately, I think Lewis is missing his companionship, reminding him of the time the relationship was at its best, was hinting that is how he wishes it was now.

[Vanessa]

Lewis and Cameron are indeed like an old married couple. They fight, then they laugh together :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Emotionally manipulative with shades of abuse tbh, makes me wonder that, if this show was still high profile, there might be a few girlfriends with some stories to tell about him.

[tanussa]

Emotionally manipulative with shades of abuse tbh, makes me wonder that, if this show was still high profile, there might be a few girlfriends with some stories to tell about him.

thats an insult to those who have actually been abused.

[poppsywoppsy]

Emotionally manipulative with shades of abuse tbh, makes me wonder that, if this show was still high profile, there might be a few girlfriends with some stories to tell about him.

They have been in there for some weeks now and no one has emerged with kiss and tell.

The only thing I have read about Lewis is that in the romance stakes he is sorted.

He has snuggled with a few women but BB has failed to catch if there was any under cover work going on there.:shocked:

[Kazanne]

I think Lewis said it himself, he was quite hurt that Cameron is not his mate as much as he was previously.

Cameron seems quite different lately, I think Lewis is missing his companionship, reminding him of the time the relationship was at its best, was hinting that is how he wishes it was now.

Yes he was clearly joking,but we must spin it that big bad Lewis was being serious.:wavey:

[Pro Sniper]

Hardly surprising is it. Lewis is clearly the type of person who does someone a favour and then brings it up at every turn. Any act of good will from such types inevitably begins to smell of selfishness.

Obviously he sees this friendship with Cam(which is as real as Sian's diddies) as his winning ticket. That's why he went nuts the other night when he felt his "selfless act" might have dimmed. He's reminding his "friend" and all the gullible mugs out there of the pay off he expects in return. This is just the way all self-absorbed people operate.

[tanussa]

Hardly surprising is it. Lewis is clearly the type of person who does someone a favour and then brings it up at every turn. Any act of good will from such types inevitably begins to smell of selfishness.

Obviously he sees this friendship with Cam(which is as real as Sian's diddies) as his winning ticket. That's why he went nuts the other night when he felt his "selfless act" might have dimmed. He's reminding his "friend" and all the gullible mugs out there of the pay off he expects in return. This is just the way all self-absorbed people operate.

crikey, I'd hate to hear what you might say about him if you didnt like him

[Jase.]

thats an insult to those who have actually been abused.

:clap1:

[Jules82]

Sorry, we have to agree to disagree on this one.

I still see Lewis F/Cameron in a controlling relationship. Yes, both might want a friendship, but some friendships can turn out with one partner controlling the other. I see this in Lewis F/Cameron

Ok it is great that we can disagree, I personally know that we all see things differently and yes we will just have to agree to disagree :wavey::wavey::laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

yes it is a healthier relationship as well

Sorry I cannot agree with that ,Tomasz fantasies about having sex on swings etc ( Feck knows where hes going to find one to hold his weight apart from Tilbury Docks ) and talks plain filth all the time, this isn't love or a relationship its cheap sex ,I know who I would want my son listening too of of those 2 and it would be Lewis every time

I also doubt VERY much that Tomasz has had much sex in his life, i mean come on ,who would sleep with him ?

[Jules82]

crikey, I'd hate to hear what you might say about him if you didnt like him

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Dear dear, he shows one thing and then he is controlling etc. etc. Has he told them that he paid out his coins for the party, has he told them that he played Robin Hood, has he held it against the others because he spent coins on treats for them. Has he mentioned it at all, I am sure there are many things we could say but he has to be careful and not to advise someone out of love. Isnt that what he said, love? Wheres the sellotape....:joker::joker:

[Jules82]

Hardly surprising is it. Lewis is clearly the type of person who does someone a favour and then brings it up at every turn. Any act of good will from such types inevitably begins to smell of selfishness.

Obviously he sees this friendship with Cam(which is as real as Sian's diddies) as his winning ticket. That's why he went nuts the other night when he felt his "selfless act" might have dimmed. He's reminding his "friend" and all the gullible mugs out there of the pay off he expects in return. This is just the way all self-absorbed people operate.

Oh dear he was well popular before that event, most will have forgotten it anyway, no need to even bring it up imo. Dont forget many found it cringeworthy!!! Many said that Cameron already knew and that he was playing a game to get sympathy and acceptance from the public. tut tut old hat imo....:wavey:

[Jules82]

He's waiting for me :smug:


Oh you are a one :cheer2: I think he will have a lot of attention when he gets out. He has said that he is sorted on that aspect, it now depends on if he wishes to be unsorted and to go a different pathway....mmm wheres your path Ness...:blush::hehe::laugh:

[Jules82]

No, not at all. Lewis chose to get involved with that aspect of Cameron’s life and has no right to use it against him when he so wishes.


He would be a right b****** if he did but he is to sensitive himself to use anything against anyone else in the sense of private living. He is one who does not expect rewards, he would have kept his coins if he did. Did you listen to another moaning because he is up for eviction, he stated that everyone talked about L but he was saved. The person himself wasnt so did he expect rewards for his existence in the house? A difference tbh. L is well aware that they are allowed their separate ways, didnt he make a fuss of Isabella? They must all be wondering why.

[Twosugars]

Hardly surprising is it. Lewis is clearly the type of person who does someone a favour and then brings it up at every turn. Any act of good will from such types inevitably begins to smell of selfishness.

Obviously he sees this friendship with Cam(which is as real as Sian's diddies) as his winning ticket. That's why he went nuts the other night when he felt his "selfless act" might have dimmed. He's reminding his "friend" and all the gullible mugs out there of the pay off he expects in return. This is just the way all self-absorbed people operate.

Exactly. Another example was when Cameron was depressed after having to evict a hm. All Lewis wanted to know why he wasn't happy he was saved.