People have paid money to keep Lewis in

[ThriceShy]

So how can they get away with just ditching him and not showing us why. Doesn't there need to be transparency when money is changing hands?

Think about it, he could have been getting warnings for weeks but they might have kept him for revenue then jettisoned him before the final week to allow their chosen winner to romp home.

I don't vote. But if I had voted for Lewis then I would want answers.

[Elliot]

how is it big brothers fault that lewis is a moron

[ThriceShy]

how is it big brothers fault that lewis is a moron

It isn't.

My point is that a paying public should be allowed to see the reason he was ejected because some voted to keep him in.

I couldn't stand him by the way. I just think the secrecy issue is important.

[GoldHeart]

how is it big brothers fault that lewis is a moron

I only half agree with you Elliot , yes Lewis was an overbearing idiot . But BB still SHOULD of shown us WHY he got removed .

I keep wondering if he got previous warnings now aswell , even the night when him & Cameron jumped in the pool when it was pelting down with rain and Lewis kept ignoring BB .

[vesavius]

how is it big brothers fault that lewis is a moron

This

[JerseyWins]

I think this is more of an issue/conspiracy/problem with the betting than the people paying/voting to keep him in. Could've been too many bets placed on Lewis F and he was just rigged out for the bookies. :shrug:

[ThriceShy]

Imagine you voted for a housemate over the course of a series and spent maybe £20 or more or whatever. Would you be happy that they were just secretly ejected Kafka style with no reasons given?

I contend that people who paid to keep Lewis in are owed an explanation.

And it doesn't matter which housemate it is. It just happens to be Lewis but the same would apply to all of them.

[vesavius]

I think this is more of an issue/conspiracy/problem with the betting than the people paying/voting to keep him in. Could've been too many bets placed on Lewis F and he was just rigged out for the bookies. :shrug:

oh, gawd, no

[Withano]

Not strictly true @title, and even if it was, they only paid for him to stay until the next eviction/ejection.

[tanussa]

So how can they get away with just ditching him and not showing us why. Doesn't there need to be transparency when money is changing hands?

Think about it, he could have been getting warnings for weeks but they might have kept him for revenue then jettisoned him before the final week to allow their chosen winner to romp home.

I don't vote. But if I had voted for Lewis then I would want answers.

was thinking exactly the same, in fact I have written to ch5 giving those exact reasons why they should atleast tell us why they ejected lewis without giving him a warning. they should not keep the fans in the dark when we are spending our well earned cash on voting. poor vanessa has paid a small fortune in order to keep lewis in, only to have him chucked out a week later, no reason given, its not on.

[bots]

i paid good money to keep Lewis G in, but look where that got me :shrug:

[thisisdanny]

It's vote to evict not save. So they haven't paid money to keep him in, they've just paid to see other people leave.

[thesheriff443]

Fools and their money are easily parted.

You all need to get a life and stop going on about a show that died years ago.

Reality to game show, and that’s it’s death.

[Cherie]

So how can they get away with just ditching him and not showing us why. Doesn't there need to be transparency when money is changing hands?

Think about it, he could have been getting warnings for weeks but they might have kept him for revenue then jettisoned him before the final week to allow their chosen winner to romp home.

I don't vote. But if I had voted for Lewis then I would want answers.

People voted to evict Lewis, nobody voted to save him

[user104658]

I think this is more of an issue/conspiracy/problem with the betting than the people paying/voting to keep him in. Could've been too many bets placed on Lewis F and he was just rigged out for the bookies. :shrug:Its not a big betting event, there's nowhere near enough money involved in reality TV betting for it to be worth rigging. Plus Lewis was favourite for weeks, and in general, it's GOOD for bookies if the favourite wins. It's not like he was sitting at 50/1 with money being piled on and then suddenly became favourite.

[Cherie]

was thinking exactly the same, in fact I have written to ch5 giving those exact reasons why they should atleast tell us why they ejected lewis without giving him a warning. they should not keep the fans in the dark when we are spending our well earned cash on voting. poor vanessa has paid a small fortune in order to keep lewis in, only to have him chucked out a week later, no reason given, its not on.

:joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

So how can they get away with just ditching him and not showing us why. Doesn't there need to be transparency when money is changing hands?

Think about it, he could have been getting warnings for weeks but they might have kept him for revenue then jettisoned him before the final week to allow their chosen winner to romp home.

I don't vote. But if I had voted for Lewis then I would want answers.

Totally agree, its disrespect to the voters

[chuff me dizzy]

People voted to evict Lewis, nobody voted to save him

I paid to vote to evict the people he was up against

[Cherie]

I paid to vote to evict the people he was up against

you could have been saving any of the housemates up for eviction though, not just him, you cannot direct your money to save a specific housemate in vote to evict, if you target one housemate to evict, you are effectively saving the others who are up

[Babayaro.]

I paid to vote to evict the people he was up against

So if those people who you voted to evict were to return as housemates then you would have something to complain about.

[Amy Jade]

I paid to vote to evict the people he was up against

You wasted your money in the long run.

Just as most of us have at some point.

[joeysteele]

i paid good money to keep Lewis G in, but look where that got me :shrug:

He was thrown out by the public.
A major difference.

No matter the housemate, we should be told at least, if not shown the incident, why any supporters lose the housemate they kind of sponsor really via their time and cost of votes to keep them in.

Since this is something he said, as you stated rightly, they could bleep the offending word out.
As viewers on BB, where the idea is, we look in on a collection of people thrown together, to see them and how they react, and say and do the things they do.
We should have far more information on an ejection, immaterial of whichever housemate is ejected, than we have had here.

The housemates know, BB knows, channel 5 know, since it's not a criminal matter or one for any authorities..
Then we should be told more fully and know too.

[joeysteele]

I paid to vote to evict the people he was up against

Totally right.
You, myself and hoards of others likely, voted to evict as you say, those up against him.

That is actually spending money to 'save' Lewis, that's a fact.

Thereby we spent time and money voting to protect his place in the house.

Others can spin it any way they like chuff, that's how it was.
Just as if he was still there now, we'd be spending time and money on him to win.

[jaxie]

I paid good money to get Lewis out when he was up for eviction. I didn't get anything for that at the time either. :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

Totally right.
You, myself and hoards of others likely, voted to evict as you say, those up against him.

That is actually spending money to 'save' Lewis, that's a fact.

Thereby we spent time and money voting to protect his place in the house.

Others can spin it any way they like chuff, that's how it was.
Just as if he was still there now, we'd be spending time and money on him to win.

Yes it is .. But we have the knowledge that the PUBLIC didn't evict Lewis BB did

[joeysteele]

I paid good money to get Lewis out when he was up for eviction. I didn't get anything for that at the time either. :shrug:

Yes jaxie, however it was all the other voting public who thwarted your attempts there.
Not just BB themselves.

No one is saying he shouldn't have been ejected if it was grossly offensive.
They should just show us what they made the decision on and show us the incident.

A reverse of the Pallet, Ryan incident.
When without the footage, he'd have been destroyed, however they showed it all.

Just show us the few seconds or minutes incident.
Treat us like we are able to see what's wrong for ourselves.
OR, what are they hiding from us.

[Cherie]

Yes jaxie, however it was all the other voting public who thwarted your attempts there.
Not just BB themselves.

No one is saying he shouldn't have been ejected if it was grossly offensive.
They should just show us what they made the decision on and show us the incident.

A reverse of the Pallet, Ryan incident.
When without the footage, he'd have been destroyed, however they showed it all.

Just show us the few seconds or minutes incident.
Treat us like we are able to see what's wrong for ourselves.
OR, what are they hiding from us.

If they were hiding anything, or his ejection was unjust, Lewis would be telling us all about it, I think they are protecting him more than anything

[bots]

He was thrown out by the public.
A major difference.

No matter the housemate, we should be told at least, if not shown the incident, why any supporters lose the housemate they kind of sponsor really via their time and cost of votes to keep them in.

Since this is something he said, as you stated rightly, they could bleep the offending word out.
As viewers on BB, where the idea is, we look in on a collection of people thrown together, to see them and how they react, and say and do the things they do.
We should have far more information on an ejection, immaterial of whichever housemate is ejected, than we have had here.

The housemates know, BB knows, channel 5 know, since it's not a criminal matter or one for any authorities..
Then we should be told more fully and know too.

all we know for sure is that Lewis admitted responsibility for saying something that wasn't acceptable. I struggle with it a lot really, because there have been loads of instances where he said things previously that I found unacceptable, and not a single warning was shown. BB didn't show it, broadcast it, so I'm kind of at a loss. I think back to all the live feed we used to have where people discussed all sorts of things, some of them quite libelous if aired, and all they did was apply some bird noises. No drama, no nothing .... i'm at a loss really

[joeysteele]

If they were hiding anything, or his ejection was unjust, Lewis would be telling us all about it, I think they are protecting him more than anything

He may not legally be able to say anything if BB haven't.
You hear from evictees in the past, are they allowed to say this or that.

All were told to, it seemed, to keep quiet re Jay putting his mess in the freezer.
We'd never have known that but for some evictees slipping up and saying it.

[Vanessa]

The secrecy is wrong. They should show what happened and let us judge the situation. Because they haven't done that, i refuse to watch anymore until they do.

[Amy Jade]

41 series and you don't grasp that voting is basically a gamble...plenty of us lost money in the long run.

[Amy Jade]

The secrecy is wrong. They should show what happened and let us judge the situation. Because they haven't done that, i refuse to watch anymore until they do.

Doubt they're arsed as it is cancelled anyway.

[rionablue]

So how can they get away with just ditching him and not showing us why. Doesn't there need to be transparency when money is changing hands?

Think about it, he could have been getting warnings for weeks but they might have kept him for revenue then jettisoned him before the final week to allow their chosen winner to romp home.

I don't vote. But if I had voted for Lewis then I would want answers.

We don't often agree on here ThriceShy but in this we do. I cannot remember any incident where someone was removed and we didn't see the clip of what happened to get them removed or found out why they were removed It is very very strange that the public haven't been shown or told the real reason why he was removed. I would be furious if I had spent a lot of money(and I know ppl who did) to keep him in

[ThriceShy]

People voted to evict Lewis, nobody voted to save him



People voted to evict his opponents in order to save him.

[Amy Jade]

People voted to evict his opponents in order to save him.

Your mistake.

[ThriceShy]

41 series and you don't grasp that voting is basically a gamble...plenty of us lost money in the long run.

Voting is not a gamble. Remember the trouble caused when Nikki was put back in. When money is involved there has to be clarity regarding evictions and ejections.

[ThriceShy]

Your mistake.


Yes I should never have been such a staunch Lewis fan....

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10318616&postcount=9

:joker:

[poppsywoppsy]

We don't often agree on here ThriceShy but in this we do. I cannot remember any incident where someone was removed and we didn't see the clip of what happened to get them removed or found out why they were removed It is very very strange that the public haven't been shown or told the real reason why he was removed. I would be furious if I had spent a lot of money(and I know ppl who did) to keep him in

Well I can and in the very last CBB with Rodrigo.:shrug:

[sungrass]

Imagine you voted for a housemate over the course of a series and spent maybe £20 or more or whatever. Would you be happy that they were just secretly ejected Kafka style with no reasons given?

I contend that people who paid to keep Lewis in are owed an explanation.

And it doesn't matter which housemate it is. It just happens to be Lewis but the same would apply to all of them.

Agree with you -

We should get better transparency and if not we shouldn't vote. They only know through their pockets.

Cant stand the competition either - 5 mins every highlight show that takes up - who enters these things? If you add up 5 mins everyday for two months its a waste of time.

[Pro Sniper]

I think this is more of an issue/conspiracy/problem with the betting than the people paying/voting to keep him in. Could've been too many bets placed on Lewis F and he was just rigged out for the bookies. :shrug:

That is utter nonsense. Firstly, in mickey mouse, low-turnover events such as this, bookies liabilities could never get out of control. Secondly, if their book did become heavily unbalanced, ask yourself why he only briefly went slight odds-on..and remained backable @ evs or above? At no point was he cut drastically to odds which suggested he was 75-90% likely to win(which has happened many times in the past) even though that's the ridiculous impression his fanatical supporters were giving..like he had it sewn up, "in the bag". The simple truth is his win was anything but "in the bag". He had a 50-50 chance at best. That chance might have increased with the favoured editing in the home stretch, but it's no certainty that it wouldn't have decreased. Worthy or not, "favs" are there to be beaten..and many times we'll see just that. I remember that bitch Katie Hopkins being heavy odds-on fav to win her series,, and what happened? KP(who was readily available to back around 4/1) ran all over her. More recently, the last I checked on the US odds, douchebag Tyler was 2/5. And we all know what happened there :pat:

Lastly, bookies are independent firms. They have no say/sway on the outcome of any event(from non-affiliated organizations) they've decided to accept bets on.

The simple fact is Lewser said something disgusting enough warrant the boot. We don't have to be shown, or know specifically what he said. His acceptance of it, his apology(as forced and insincere as it was) is enough to tell us even HE KNOWS they had him bang to rights. Add to that Brooke's look(when being told of his expulsion) which said "yep, I knew it. I knew he wouldn't get away with that. I knew they'd remove him for saying something so abhorrent"..

So, his supporters need to wise the **** up and realise that he(and they - as loyal supporters of 1 giant ego that almost certainly views them as inferior peasants..) have actually been let off the hook by omitting his repugnant views.

What we can say is, IF he'd been a more likeable character, IF he'd shown some class, IF he'd shown a humbleness, IF he'd got out of his own ass long enough to take other perspectives on board, IF he hadn't shown a desire to control everything and everyone around him, IF he hand't been a petulant little bitch, IF he hand't been treating the show and the rest of the competition like they were all beneath him etc.. there's a fair chance that any such repugnant "slip of the tongue" might just have been swept under the rug. As it was, it allowed the decision maker/s(who obviously aren't impressed by the moron) to give him the chop..and have zero guilt over not doing him any favour.

[EllieBrownFan]

Investing money into criminals is never a good idea

[Jules82]

So how can they get away with just ditching him and not showing us why. Doesn't there need to be transparency when money is changing hands?

Think about it, he could have been getting warnings for weeks but they might have kept him for revenue then jettisoned him before the final week to allow their chosen winner to romp home.

I don't vote. But if I had voted for Lewis then I would want answers.

Well there is a theory that he has been used and abused, this was brought up by the attack of the three witches on BOTS and Hussain being given the privilege of shouting "get Lewis out". All too much of a coincidence tbh, he went the next day.

In another forum it was said that he had walked, a day or so before it happened. This forum has now taken on Akeem as an administrator. When challenged the person said he was only joking. Just makes one wonder.

Hopefully the punters will get satisfaction one way or another, if it were me I would want to find out. Many pay 100s.

[Jules82]

Investing money into criminals is never a good idea,

Wasnt aware there were any criminals on the show, do you have proof if not it is rather libellous to say such a thing, knowing it was meant to be for a present HM. The posts are read.

[Clown]

If you bet on a wonky donkey you can't really complain when it decides to suddenly bolt head first into the nearest hedge

[Jules82]

That is utter nonsense. Firstly, in mickey mouse, low-turnover events such as this, bookies liabilities could never get out of control. Secondly, if their book did become heavily unbalanced, ask yourself why he only briefly went slight odds-on..and remained backable @ evs or above? At no point was he cut drastically to odds which suggested he was 75-90% likely to win(which has happened many times in the past) even though that's the ridiculous impression his fanatical supporters were giving..like he had it sewn up, "in the bag". The simple truth is his win was anything but "in the bag". He had a 50-50 chance at best. That chance might have increased with the favoured editing in the home stretch, but it's no certainty that it wouldn't have decreased. Worthy or not, "favs" are there to be beaten..and many times we'll see just that. I remember that bitch Katie Hopkins being heavy odds-on fav to win her series,, and what happened? KP(who was readily available to back around 4/1) ran all over her. More recently, the last I checked on the US odds, douchebag Tyler was 2/5. And we all know what happened there :pat:

Lastly, bookies are independent firms. They have no say/sway on the outcome of any event(from non-affiliated organizations) they've decided to accept bets on.

The simple fact is Lewser said something disgusting enough warrant the boot. We don't have to be shown, or know specifically what he said. His acceptance of it, his apology(as forced and insincere as it was) is enough to tell us even HE KNOWS they had him bang to rights. Add to that Brooke's look(when being told of his expulsion) which said "yep, I knew it. I knew he wouldn't get away with that. I knew they'd remove him for saying something so abhorrent"..

So, his supporters need to wise the **** up and realise that he(and they - as loyal supporters of 1 giant ego that almost certainly views them as inferior peasants..) have actually been let off the hook by omitting his repugnant views.

What we can say is, IF he'd been a more likeable character, IF he'd shown some class, IF he'd shown a humbleness, IF he'd got out of his own ass long enough to take other perspectives on board, IF he hadn't shown a desire to control everything and everyone around him, IF he hand't been a petulant little bitch, IF he hand't been treating the show and the rest of the competition like they were all beneath him etc.. there's a fair chance that any such repugnant "slip of the tongue" might just have been swept under the rug. As it was, it allowed the decision maker/s(who obviously aren't impressed by the moron) to give him the chop..and have zero guilt over not doing him any favour.

All the sniping Ifs, so if you have proof of your words, which I only get the gist of, too much to read sensibly, present it. You will find that no matter what his loyal fans will stand by him. The fact that BB stood up for him says a lot. The fact that his family are with him, says a lot, they wouldnt risk any untrue comments, they would just keep quiet.

He is the eventual true favourite outside the house no matter what, any winner now will be second best and win on his shirt tails. Hopefully it will be Cameron. Also if one thinks that the bookies and powers that be cannot do the dirty, you are wrong it has been done many times, it is all about money. This is why I never count my chickens.

Cameron to win..

[Jules82]

We don't often agree on here ThriceShy but in this we do. I cannot remember any incident where someone was removed and we didn't see the clip of what happened to get them removed or found out why they were removed It is very very strange that the public haven't been shown or told the real reason why he was removed. I would be furious if I had spent a lot of money(and I know ppl who did) to keep him in

I dont begrudge the money I have spent to keep him in tbh, it worked and nothing was wasted. Had it happened this week when money is put in for our winner, then viewers would have a lot to shout about.

[Jules82]

If you bet on a wonky donkey you can't really complain when it decides to suddenly bolt head first into the nearest hedge

He didnt bolt though and this is what all the confusion is about. Proof is needed as to what context the word was said.

[Babayaro.]

This thread is basically saying that BB should never eject people lol...


What kind of logic

[Vicky.]

This forum has now taken on Akeem as an administrator. When challenged the person said he was only joking. Just makes one wonder.



...what? :suspect:

[madman411]

This is a C5 thing being politically correct. Even when the Jade and Shilpa thing went down we were still shown what happened, but C4 was ridiculed for airing it. I suppose it’s just easier for them to not show anything at all and give a vague reason. Still BS though. They’ve taken the appropriate action. They should still show what went down, or at least provide a statement.

[Amy Jade]

,

Wasnt aware there were any criminals on the show, do you have proof if not it is rather libellous to say such a thing, knowing it was meant to be for a present HM. The posts are read.

Lewis admitted in his VT when he entered the house he had criminal convictions for theft and arson.

[poppsywoppsy]

Lewis admitted in his VT when he entered the house he had criminal convictions for theft and arson.

I heard or read, he set fire to a bin.

Not exactly the Fire of London but if he was prosecuted he has had his collar felt.

Can't help you any further but it has been scrupulously investigated by his detractors and nothing found as yet but do let us know if you find anything else out about it.

Dying to know.

[Pro Sniper]

All the sniping Ifs, so if you have proof of your words, which I only get the gist of, too much to read sensibly, present it. You will find that no matter what his loyal fans will stand by him. The fact that BB stood up for him says a lot. The fact that his family are with him, says a lot, they wouldnt risk any untrue comments, they would just keep quiet.

He is the eventual true favourite outside the house no matter what, any winner now will be second best and win on his shirt tails. Hopefully it will be Cameron. Also if one thinks that the bookies and powers that be cannot do the dirty, you are wrong it has been done many times, it is all about money. This is why I never count my chickens.

Cameron to win..

:joker: That's the typical response from certain supporters of a Lewser. "At least everyone knows he/she was the real winner" No, everyone doesn't know that. Everyone knows that's what certain upset and furious fans tell themselves, somehow believing that presenting any type of nonsensical hollow victory will ease the pain. Masking reality will get you nowhere. :smug: The reality is Lewser Lewis was kicked off the show for expressing UNACCEPTABLE language/views.

Yes, fake "litte bro" Cam to win. Make me some money :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

:joker: That's the typical response from certain supporters of a Lewser. "At least everyone knows he/she was the real winner" No, everyone doesn't know that. Everyone knows that's what certain upset and furious fans tell themselves, somehow believing that presenting any type of nonsensical hollow victory will ease the pain. Masking reality will get you nowhere. :smug: The reality is Lewser Lewis was kicked off the show for expressing UNACCEPTABLE language/views.

Yes, fake "litte bro" Cam to win. Make me some money :laugh:

It's definitely secured Cam the win

[Twosugars]

If you bet on a wonky donkey you can't really complain when it decides to suddenly bolt head first into the nearest hedge
:laugh:

[ThriceShy]

This thread is basically saying that BB should never eject people lol...


What kind of logic

Wrong.

This thread is saying that if you eject people then you need to show the paying public WHY you are ejecting them.

I challenge anyone to tell me that is an unreasonable view.

[Pro Sniper]

Wrong.

This thread is saying that if you eject people then you need to show the paying public WHY you are ejecting them.

I challenge anyone to tell me that is an unreasonable view.

It's unreasonable because the public don't pay to allow a particular HG to be immune from getting expelled. Their save votes are only good for 1 hurdle at a time. Their votes got him over each hurdle he faced, so they got their money's worth. Before they were asked to pay again to get him over the next, he was rightfully tossed out for inappropriate behaviour. His unwillingness to express what he said should be enough for everyone to understand it would do him more harm than good. His "outraged" fans can't blame anyone but the moron himself.

[Mystic Mock]

They've ejected him so that Cameron can win and push their right wing agenda for one final time before Ch5 sell the show to Netflix/Ch4.

[Yaki da]

They've ejected him so that Cameron can win and push their right wing agenda for one final time before Ch5 sell the show to Netflix/Ch4.

Their right wing agenda? What in God's name are you talking about? Is there anyone who works in television, especially reality television who is right wing? Most of them are homosexuals for starters. They were elated when Courtney Act won over Ann Widdecombe earlier this year.

[Mystic Mock]

Their right wing agenda? What in God's name are you talking about? Is there anyone who works in television, especially reality television who is right wing? Most of them are homosexuals for starters. They were elated when Courtney Act won over Ann Widdecombe earlier this year.

Ch5 BB has worshipped Housemates with far right wing views such as Katie Hopkins.

Thankfully the public rebelled against those types of Housemates most years, but you do get the odd Jim Davidson victories on this show that disgusts me personally.

[Yaki da]

Ch5 BB has worshipped Housemates with far right wing views such as Katie Hopkins.

Thankfully the public rebelled against those types of Housemates most years, but you do get the odd Jim Davidson victories on this show that disgusts me personally.

That's two housemates. Hopkins (who is not "far right" btw) was not "worshipped" by anyone and was almost certainly disliked by most of the production team who nevertheless understood her to be a good housemate. Davidson was an old fashioned comedian who made a name for himself in the 70s and 80s when the jokes we find "offensive" today were standard fare. He was probably the last of those older comedians to still be on television in the 90s. He was always likely to be the runaway winner because of the profile he once had and his lack of competition.

How a show that has consistently promoted every fashionable cause of the liberal progressive left over the years can be said to be promoting a right wing agenda is beyond me. The reason they like Cameron as a winner is probably because (1) he's the same age as the show and (2) he's a "journey" housemate who came out as gay during his time in there. The only thing "right wing" about him is that he doesn't like feminism much and admires Winston Churchill.

I would add also that there is evidence that the production team fought to keep Lewis in and that it was Channel 5 who made the decision to kick him out. That rings true to me because of the decisions that have helped Lewis stay in longer than he might otherwise have done up until he said whatever he said.

[Garfie]

:That is utter nonsense. Firstly, in mickey mouse, low-turnover events such as this, bookies liabilities could never get out of control. Secondly, if their book did become heavily unbalanced, ask yourself why he only briefly went slight odds-on..and remained backable @ evs or above? At no point was he cut drastically to odds which suggested he was 75-90% likely to win(which has happened many times in the past) even though that's the ridiculous impression his fanatical supporters were giving..like he had it sewn up, "in the bag". The simple truth is his win was anything but "in the bag". He had a 50-50 chance at best. That chance might have increased with the favoured editing in the home stretch, but it's no certainty that it wouldn't have decreased. Worthy or not, "favs" are there to be beaten..and many times we'll see just that. I remember that bitch Katie Hopkins being heavy odds-on fav to win her series,, and what happened? KP(who was readily available to back around 4/1) ran all over her. More recently, the last I checked on the US odds, douchebag Tyler was 2/5. And we all know what happened there :pat:

Lastly, bookies are independent firms. They have no say/sway on the outcome of any event(from non-affiliated organizations) they've decided to accept bets on.

The simple fact is Lewser said something disgusting enough warrant the boot. We don't have to be shown, or know specifically what he said. His acceptance of it, his apology(as forced and insincere as it was) is enough to tell us even HE KNOWS they had him bang to rights. Add to that Brooke's look(when being told of his expulsion) which said "yep, I knew it. I knew he wouldn't get away with that. I knew they'd remove him for saying something so abhorrent"..

So, his supporters need to wise the **** up and realise that he(and they - as loyal supporters of 1 giant ego that almost certainly views them as inferior peasants..) have actually been let off the hook by omitting his repugnant views.

What we can say is, IF he'd been a more likeable character, IF he'd shown some class, IF he'd shown a humbleness, IF he'd got out of his own ass long enough to take other perspectives on board, IF he hadn't shown a desire to control everything and everyone around him, IF he hand't been a petulant little bitch, IF he hand't been treating the show and the rest of the competition like they were all beneath him etc.. there's a fair chance that any such repugnant "slip of the tongue" might just have been swept under the rug. As it was, it allowed the decision maker/s(who obviously aren't impressed by the moron) to give him the chop..and have zero guilt over not doing him any favour.

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Excellent post, Pro-sniper. You are spot on with every point you make here about Lewis and about bookies.

The only way I differ is that I feel the incident should have been shown, even if words needed to be bleeped out. This view has nothing to do with money or voting for me, but is more to do with the fact that viewers have invested in the series by watching it every night for weeks, and I feel that deserves transparency regarding what happened.

Like you, though, I do agree that it would probably be to Lewis' detriment if the truth was revealed.

[Cherie]

If you bet on a wonky donkey you can't really complain when it decides to suddenly bolt head first into the nearest hedge

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[Pro Sniper]

Garfie, I don't disagree that it should've been shown..and If it were up to me it certainly would've been. But I can also see why they decided against it. For what would it do apart from bring unwanted attention to the channel(a channel that has just about ended its association with the franchise), the programme itself(that is now desperate to find a new home), and the ignorant fool who said what he said?

Some things are dealt with behind closed doors for the benefit of all concerned.

[Twosugars]

Their right wing agenda? What in God's name are you talking about? Is there anyone who works in television, especially reality television who is right wing? Most of them are homosexuals for starters. They were elated when Courtney Act won over Ann Widdecombe earlier this year.
there's such a rare breed like a rightwing homosexual, y'know.
Black sheep of the lgbt family :fist:

[Jules82]

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Excellent post, Pro-sniper. You are spot on with every point you make here about Lewis and about bookies.

The only way I differ is that I feel the incident should have been shown, even if words needed to be bleeped out. This view has nothing to do with money or voting for me, but is more to do with the fact that viewers have invested in the series by watching it every night for weeks, and I feel that deserves transparency regarding what happened.

Like you, though, I do agree that it would probably be to Lewis' detriment if the truth was revealed.

Tbh I feel it is more to his detriment that it isnt revealed, all the wondering and surmising. Many have backed him, surely they would want to know the reason, was it an injustice or not. Who do they blame.

Those who want to stand by him regardless, will, he has to face up to the truth and not have people backstabbing him because they dont know. Myself, I feel he is doing right, he is going out drinking etc. he is thinking positive but maybe he also feels that justice should be done if it is right in what his family are saying. All sorts of stories are being made up. Talk of fixes have been rampant in the series, mostly against Lewis, so did they use him and then abuse him, who knows eh. It is suspicious that they dont say.

[Jules82]

:joker: That's the typical response from certain supporters of a Lewser. "At least everyone knows he/she was the real winner" No, everyone doesn't know that. Everyone knows that's what certain upset and furious fans tell themselves, somehow believing that presenting any type of nonsensical hollow victory will ease the pain. Masking reality will get you nowhere. :smug: The reality is Lewser Lewis was kicked off the show for expressing UNACCEPTABLE language/views.

Yes, fake "litte bro" Cam to win. Make me some money :laugh:

You do me an injustice I dont think I said everyone, I am old enough, ugly enough and sensible enough to know that not one of us can be liked by everyone. I disagree and think it very unfair that you should label someone whom you do not like and do not know, with so many negative categories as you have done. You are putting yourself up as perfection and not allowing the freedom of speech for any Lewis admirers.

It is a game and in a game one chooses his pieces, my piece left of his own accord through a slip of the tongue, prove differently if you can. Do not use the gallows because of distrust and dislike. You have judged the same as we all do but sometimes judgement comes back on us and then we have to learn how to deal with it. If we are fair then we will get fairly dealt with.

Mmmm maybe we should let Judge Rylan have the last judgement, ah no on second thoughts, he will hang everyone if they are not of like mind to him. He prefers sleazy entertainment....

[Jules82]

That's two housemates. Hopkins (who is not "far right" btw) was not "worshipped" by anyone and was almost certainly disliked by most of the production team who nevertheless understood her to be a good housemate. Davidson was an old fashioned comedian who made a name for himself in the 70s and 80s when the jokes we find "offensive" today were standard fare. He was probably the last of those older comedians to still be on television in the 90s. He was always likely to be the runaway winner because of the profile he once had and his lack of competition.

How a show that has consistently promoted every fashionable cause of the liberal progressive left over the years can be said to be promoting a right wing agenda is beyond me. The reason they like Cameron as a winner is probably because (1) he's the same age as the show and (2) he's a "journey" housemate who came out as gay during his time in there. The only thing "right wing" about him is that he doesn't like feminism much and admires Winston Churchill.

I would add also that there is evidence that the production team fought to keep Lewis in and that it was Channel 5 who made the decision to kick him out. That rings true to me because of the decisions that have helped Lewis stay in longer than he might otherwise have done up until he said whatever he said.

What evidence is there though? Every series if someone is popular with the public the same things are said, I will be honest and say in the past I have thought it as well but what evidence now unless we mean the last episode when they will have used him and then abused him when they didnt need him for the last week.

VTS VTE each of these refer to all HMs, now we will notice that we are voting for our winner. They couldnt make it VTS as the deal was that it would be VTE for the rest of the show. Mmmm so who do they want to win now.

BOTS made it obvious on the show before Lewis went, that the three witches on the panel were dead against him, Hussain shouts out "get Lewis out" was the plot being made or was it coincidence. The cheers were mostly for Akeem. Not often three on one panel so dead against one HM especially after he had had so many cheers from the audience before.

Another forum, they have Akeems family registered there, the organiser puts out that Lewis had walked, this a day or so before he went. Did they know something? Dont forget that Akeem was allowed a public visitor, supposedly the dog, was that questionable? We could go on and on and on and tbh if there is a fix it needs to be sorted right from the beginning. There are so many ways of looking at everything and there is always two sides to every coin.

Akeem would have done better had Lewis stayed because now Cameron is getting the backing from Lewis' fans along with his own and Tomasz and he will most likely win, I hope so tbh as it will make it easier for Lewis it wont have been in vein.

[Dinah]

Good post Jules82. :clap1:Sorry I can't get the quote to work.