Real reason Lewis was ejected

[BBUK-Fan]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7629581/big-brother-lewis-flanagan-hitler-impression-jews/amp/

Mocked Hitler and said ‘kill the jews’

I wonder how his fans will defend him now.

Edit: Lewis did say he did it, so it’s not speculation. He confirmed on his Instagram live

[Underscore]

The Sun.

[Vicky.]

Wasn't it the sun who claimed it was the ridiculous 'auswitz/outfits' reason? Now THIS makes a lot of sense. And also makes sense why it wasn't shown. But again, could be bollocks. Makes a lot more sense than what was claimed a few days back though

[Vanessa]

This is all speculation. We don't know anything, until they actually show it.

[Matthew.]

ew not the s*n

but i looked at it anyway (grudgingly, i should add) and that was an horrible thing to do on lewis’s part

[Vicky.]

Ahh mind

Speaking from his home, Lewis said: “I was talking to Cameron about getting him some outfits and I said the word ‘Auschwitz’ instead of outfits by mistake.

“It was a slip of the tongue and and then I tried to mock Hitler and did an impression of him saying ‘Kill the Jews’.

“It was an impression not a statement of my beliefs at all – and has come out completely wrong and I’m devastated.

“I am not anti-Semitic, I am agnostic. I love all people.

“It was a misguided comment that came out wrong.”

Seems to have a direct quote from Lewis?

I thought that was just the reporters story, rather than a quote on first read

[RileyH]

How do you get confused between outfits & Auchwitz it just doesn't make any sense

[bots]

thats possible for sure, i couldn't see how the first comment would get him ejected but the second bit certainly would

[Vicky.]

How do you get confused between outfits & Auchwitz it just doesn't make any sense

Well no, it doesn't. I suspect it was an ill thought out joke rather than mistaking words. However the 'slip of the tongue' was not the reason for the ejection. This part is

did an impression of him saying ‘Kill the Jews’.

Thats not a slip of the tongue, by any stretch. Its doubling down on whatever you said, and thats why it had to be an ejection rather than a warning. I think.

[Marcus.]

Well no, it doesn't. I suspect it was an ill thought out joke rather than mistaking words. However the 'slip of the tongue' was not the reason for the ejection. This part is



Thats not a slip of the tongue, by any stretch. Its doubling down on whatever you said, and thats why it had to be an ejection rather than a warning. I think.

in what mind would make you say that

[Babayaro.]

I mean...

IB9soxdhkcY


He literally finished second lmao

[James]

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[Elliot]

If that’s real bit of strange predicament

[Cherie]

1057695612555198464

Lets hope it doesn't take him 40 minutes to get to it

[Tony Montana]

The Sun.

Says it all

[Vicky.]

I mean...

IB9soxdhkcY


He literally finished second lmao
It won't have been the mocking Hitler part. But the specific wording used.I cannot understand a word Barrymore was saying there..

[Rob!]

That's a believable reason to have been chucked out, but I don't especially agree with it. I was no fan of Lewis by the end but it should be obvious to anybody that has watched him that the last thing he is is anti-Semantic.

[Jason.]

'kill the jews'
Multiple casualties' in Pittsburgh synagogue shooting

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/56046a454c40d7.24377203_r.gif

[pontyboi]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7629581/big-brother-lewis-flanagan-hitler-impression-jews/amp/

Mocked Hitler and said ‘kill the jews’

I wonder how his fans will defend him now.

It was just an impression based on a slip of the tongue its not as if he was preaching "death to all Jews" if anything he was mocking himself for his slip of the tongue.

Remember when Michael Barrymore did pretty much the same thing back in CBB5 and BB didn't bat an eye lid?

Yes he should have got a warning just to show that people may have been offended but not removed from the house I mean its not as if he is anti semitic .

[UserSince2005]

Eject him for what?
Just don't show the ****ing incident you dumb *****, and get on with the show.
No real reason to eject other than to get publicity.
I understand why they eject on CBB, because they can get some money back.
And i understand if the comments are actually broadcast and they need to take action.
But for gods sake, if its just a random comment within 1000 hours of his life, give him a slap on the wrist at most.

Note ive watched about 20 mins of this series in week one, so no bias in my comment.

[Oliver_W]

Even if he did say Auchwitz instead of outfits, he could just say he got mushmouth - I don't think it's easy to get the two words mixed up, but mumbling and slurring could turn outfits into, say, "ouchfitz", and Auchwitz is the closest actual thing to that?

[MB.]

"I am not anti-Semitic, I am agnostic."

https://i.imgur.com/0CCBHhF.jpg

[BBDodge]

If BB continues Housemates would be advised to not mention the war.

[MB.]

That's a believable reason to have been chucked out, but I don't especially agree with it. I was no fan of Lewis by the end but it should be obvious to anybody that has watched him that the last thing he is is anti-Semantic.

Lewis isn't anti-Semitic, he just doesn't like the Jews x

(yes I will run and run with this tired joke format until all words lose relevance)

[UserSince2005]

If BB continues Housemates would be advised to not mention the war.
advised not to speak by these numpty producers

[smudgie]

A very bad joke/ impression in terrible taste.
A warning and apology should have done the trick.
If it was said maliciously however, then fair enough, sling him out on his ear.

[Babayaro.]

Eject him for what?
Just don't show the ****ing incident you dumb *****, and get on with the show.
No real reason to eject other than to get publicity.
I understand why they eject on CBB, because they can get some money back.
And i understand if the comments are actually broadcast and they need to take action.
But for gods sake, if its just a random comment within 1000 hours of his life, give him a slap on the wrist at most.

Note ive watched about 20 mins of this series in week one, so no bias in my comment.

Completely agree.

[joeysteele]

The Sun.
Does anyone really believe what that rag prints.

Anyway as someone who likes Lewis as a housemate, I will neither condemn or defend until he reveals what the incident was.
Or were BB ever to reveal what the incident was.

If the Sun has for the first time printed truth, which will astound me.
Then just show it and the context of how it came about.

Have this speculation halted with only the facts, once and for all.
Only BB and channel 5 can do that with Lewis himself.

[Jack_]

Well at least this makes some modicum of sense, but I still don't think it warrants an ejection. Context matters

And really, if they weren't going to show it, why didn't they just brush it under the carpet?

[joeysteele]

Well at least this makes some modicum of sense, but I still don't think it warrants an ejection. Context matters

And really, if they weren't going to show it, why didn't they just brush it under the carpet?

Exactly Jack_

[Twosugars]

Speaking from his home, Lewis said: “I was talking to Cameron about getting him some outfits and I said the word ‘Auschwitz’ instead of outfits by mistake.

“It was a slip of the tongue and and then I tried to mock Hitler and did an impression of him saying ‘Kill the Jews’.

“It was an impression not a statement of my beliefs at all – and has come out completely wrong and I’m devastated.

“I am not anti-Semitic, I am agnostic. I love all people.

“It was a misguided comment that came out wrong.”

as if the two were mutually exclusive :facepalm:
another proof that when it comes to matters "spiritual" he doesn't know his arse from his elbow :rolleyes:

[Greg!]

Makes sense. C5 / Endemol wouldn't want their final series shrouded in controversy over a winner who said anti-semetic comments, even if it was a joke.

[MB.]

The Sun.
Does anyone really believe what that rag prints.

Considering he's directly quoted several times in the article, I imagine Lewis does

[Elliot]

It doesn’t seem to warrant ejection maybe he had a warning beforehand. He’s gone so it’s a win anyway but ykno

[Twosugars]

Channel 5 probably guessed it'd leak sooner or later. Probably didn't want to be seen as not taking action on something like that, especially now when antisemitism is on the rise.

[BBDodge]

Well at least this makes some modicum of sense, but I still don't think it warrants an ejection. Context matters

And really, if they weren't going to show it, why didn't they just brush it under the carpet?

Well it's understandable why it wasn't shown, given the news from the USA.

A formal warning may have been the correct punishment and BB evidently intended to do that but C5 interfered and they are not friends of the show.

[Twosugars]

Makes sense. C5 / Endemol wouldn't want their final series shrouded in controversy over a winner who said anti-semetic comments, even if it was a joke.
hot tea, sis

[pontyboi]

Can we just acknowledge Lewis didn't get called to the diary room by producers he says in that article he went to the diary toom straight after he said it on his own accord to apologise as he realised it was in bad taste.

I stand by saying no one should be removed unless they get physical or are constantly harassing someone based on colour, sexuality or religion but even then BB should let it play out and let the public vote them out and give them the hate they deserve.

Being ejected doesn't achieve anything, if someone is that bad then its far worse to be publicly shamed on eviction night and have to sit through a very awkward interview with Emma and a crowd full of haters just like Grace did back in BB7 remember she also called Aisleyne a WIGGER many times which would get her ejected had she been in the house today.

Shows how much BB has gone backwards when it comes to freedom of speech.

[MB.]

Controversial opinion: saying "kill the Jews" is bad in any context

[Underscore]

Lewis F is live on IG explaining

[Matthew.]

watching his instagram live just now

[joeysteele]

Can we just acknowledge Lewis didn't get called to the diary room by producers he says in that article he went to the diary toom straight after he said it on his own accord to apologise as he realised it was in bad taste.

I stand by saying no one should be removed unless they get physical or are constantly harassing someone based on colour, sexuality or religion but even then BB should let it play out and let the public vote them out and give them the hate they deserve.

Being ejected doesn't achieve anything, if someone is that bad then its far worse to be publicly shamed on eviction night and have to sit through a very awkward interview with Emma and a crowd full of haters just like Grace did back in BB7 remember she also called Aisleyne a WIGGER many times which would get her ejected had she been in the house today.

Shows how much BB has gone backwards when it comes to freedom of speech.


Fair post.
A very fair post indeed.

[Matthew.]

he’s confirmed in his instagram live that both the Auschwitz rumour and the Hitler impersonation rumour are true

[Twosugars]

Controversial opinion: saying "kill the Jews" is bad in any context

precisely :clap2:

but Lewis fans will now claim freedom of speech :facepalm:
forgetting we have anti-hate speech legislation in this country, even on this forum

[Elliot]

I mean, context doesn’t matter, but it kinda does in some respect. It’d be daft to think everyone who says ‘kill the jews’ means it in a malicious way and actually has ill feeling towards Jewish people. On the internet it’s used a lot as a really really bad joke, and I think a lot of jokes at hitters/nazis expense can get misconstrued as anti semitism. But yeah like it’s not hard not to say stupid unfunny **** and I’m glad the cretin is gone but whatever

[armand.kay]

Controversial opinion: saying "kill the Jews" is bad in any context

This I cant belive people are defending him lol

[deanmontague]

Lewis has confirmed on his instagram story now that he said auschwitz instead of outfits when talking to cameron and then mocked himself for his mistake by imitating Hitler in what he said was a slip of the tongue and said he isn't anti-semitic and was a slip of the tongue mocking the moment

I personally don't think it's a reason to be removed

He also said on his live story that he didn't air half of the things he said and said he'd discussed his suicide attempts and other important matters in his life that they didn't air

[Jack_]

I guess some people are unfamiliar with satire, jokes and mocking

I understand why he was ejected, but I don't agree with it. Especially when they've tried to cover it up, no logic whatsoever

[Ashley.]

This is all speculation. We don't know anything, until they actually show it.

It's hardly speculation when Lewis was quoted in the article. Now would be a fantastic time to drop the "Lewis can do no wrong" attitude.

[deanmontague]

yet ANNE WIDDECOMBE was kept in the house for constantly spouting transphobic dragphobic and homophobic remarks and body language and was runner up for her belief in freedom of speech :hee::hee::hee::hee::hee::hee::hee::hee:

[DouglasS]

I no longer like Lewis anymore but he was just making a joke, It's not really ejection worthy. Whats funny is that many fans who are saying this is inexcusable/applauding over his ejection supported Tila Tequila an actual anti Semitic person and were annoyed about her ejection. Pot Kettle.

For the show I'm glad Lewis has gone as I didn't like him, but I don't agree with the reason he was ejected. I'd also say the same about Ellis [who I didn't like also].

[Kazanne]

I no longer like Lewis anymore but he was just making a joke, It's not really ejection worthy. Whats funny is that many fans who are saying this is inexcusable/applauding over his ejection supported Tila Tequila an actual anti Semitic person and were annoyed about her ejection. Pot Kettle.

For the show I'm glad Lewis has gone as I didn't like him, but I don't agree with the reason he was ejected. I'd also say the same about Ellis [who I didn't like also].

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I do like Lewis and felt he would have won but it is what it is,but no he shouldn't have been ejected.

[Twosugars]

yet ANNE WIDDECOMBE was kept in the house for constantly spouting transphobic dragphobic and homophobic remarks and body language and was runner up for her belief in freedom of speech :hee::hee::hee::hee::hee::hee::hee::hee:

tbf, she didn't call for all gays to be killed, did she
not even as a "joke"

[chuff me dizzy]

I wouldn't buy or trust the Sun ...Nothing to see here :bored:

[deanmontague]

tbf, she didn't call for all gays to be killed, did she
not even as a "joke"

What lewis said was dry humour - humour that the majority of british people are supposed to be renowned for - and got ejected for it. You'd think people would be able to see the difference between genuine offense and off the cuff remarks i.e word vomit - considering we're British.

Anne didn't have to say that, what was worse was how insidious and how microagressive her actions were towards gay people and it came out ALL THE TIME - that is WORSE.

[DouglasS]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I do like Lewis and felt he would have won but it is what it is,but no he shouldn't have been ejected.

Yeah I do not agree with ejection's for making a harsh joke or having a past. I do not believe it is ejection worthy at all. He would have easily won to be honest and whoever wins now [Whether it be Cameron or Akeem] it'll be a cheap victory in a way.

[Kazanne]

tbf, she didn't call for all gays to be killed, did she
not even as a "joke"

Neither did Lewis,it's funny how you are homing in the that particular phrase, he was mimicking what Hitler said "Kill the Jews" it was not his thoughts ,he was stupidly joking about,so lets not pretend he stood up and said Kill all Jews as that was NOT the context it was said in,shame they don't show it.

[Epic.]

I guess some people are unfamiliar with satire, jokes and mocking

I understand why he was ejected, but I don't agree with it. Especially when they've tried to cover it up, no logic whatsoever

It wouldn't be Ch5 without one more 'f.uck you' to the audience huh.
http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar9362_66.gif

[Lostie!]

I accept any reason for his removal because he was that bad

https://i.imgur.com/LPYSDLV.gif

[BBDodge]

tbf, she didn't call for all gays to be killed, did she
not even as a "joke"

No need as she probably believes they will face eternal damnation burning in the pits of hell.

[Matthew.]

he says he’s bringing out an app :skull:

[rusticgal]

precisely :clap2:

but Lewis fans will now claim freedom of speech :facepalm:
forgetting we have anti-hate speech legislation in this country, even on this forum

So was he instructing Cameron to kill the jews...or was he impersonating Hitler.
We really need to get this in perspective surely..

[Jack_]

It wouldn't be Ch5 without one more 'f.uck you' to the audience huh.
http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar9362_66.gif

Phil Edgar-Jones is SHAKING!

[Jules82]

Well it is great that he has found the courage to tell all, I say good luck to him and I am sure that many others will. When we are all perfect and can truly look up and say that we have never made a bad joke of any kind, a joke which seems cruel but without intent then ok hang him......nah good luck to him he slipped up and he has paid the price

It takes a great mind to admit ones fault, now let him get on with his life. It was just unfortunate it was in a show.

Upward and onwards, he has entertained many and we thank him for his input, now who is going to win.....

Cameron for me....

[rusticgal]

Yeah I do not agree with ejection's for making a harsh joke or having a past. I do not believe it is ejection worthy at all. He would have easily won to be honest and whoever wins now [Whether it be Cameron or Akeem] it'll be a cheap victory in a way.

It will..

[DouglasS]

So was he instructing Cameron to kill the jews...or was he impersonating Hitler.
We really need to get this in perspective surely..

I'm not even a Lewis fan but I can see this is a massive stretch :laugh:

Since when did impersonating someone mean you share their opinions or morales... All actors are going to hell then and are terrible people, comedians too :shocked:

[Jules82]

I'm not even a Lewis fan but I can see this is a massive stretch :laugh:

Since when did impersonating someone mean you share their opinions or morales... All actors are going to hell then and are terrible people, comedians too :shocked:

Well said....

[Kazanne]

Well it is great that he has found the courage to tell all, I say good luck to him and I am sure that many others will. When we are all perfect and can truly look up and say that we have never made a bad joke of any kind, a joke which seems cruel but without intent then ok hang him......nah good luck to him he slipped up and he has paid the price

It takes a great mind to admit ones fault, now let him get on with his life. It was just unfortunate it was in a show.

Upward and onwards, he has entertained many and we thank him for his input, now who is going to win.....

Cameron for me....

Well said Jules,like you said we have all said stupid things.

[rusticgal]

I'm not even a Lewis fan but I can see this is a massive stretch :laugh:

Since when did impersonating someone mean you share their opinions or morales... All actors are going to hell then and are terrible people, comedians too :shocked:

Exactly...it was pathetic..PC gone mad. I liked Lewis and wanted him to win. If he had done something awful then so be it. I think he and his supporters were cheated.

[Strictly Jake]

Not that it matters but it wasn't just Jews killed at aushwitz. Other religions were too, plus homosexuals so he was offending Cameron too

[Denver]

They had no choice to remove him especially with what was in the news I believe the same day??

[Jules82]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7629581/big-brother-lewis-flanagan-hitler-impression-jews/amp/

Mocked Hitler and said ‘kill the jews’

I wonder how his fans will defend him now.

Many will stand by him and feel sorry for what happened. He may even get more support.

Those who dont like him at all and have been against him in the show, will condemn but if they do I hope that for evermore they watch what they say.

[Jase.]

I know he's confirmed it but what kinda oddball says "Auschwitz" instead of "outfits"?

**** off and get some bloody class, you weirdo man.

[Denver]

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

[montblanc]

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

whew this tea :idc:

[Jules82]

[QUOTE=RileyH;10325491]How do you get confused betwnocbu

Subconciounce, word is connected to thin and Cameron, bless him, is thin.

Then he followed up with the obvious, not a good joke and he has paid the price but it is plausible.

[Liam-]

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

If they did it in a satirical way like Lewis did then yes, they would be defended.

[joeysteele]

I'm not even a Lewis fan but I can see this is a massive stretch :laugh:

Since when did impersonating someone mean you share their opinions or morales... All actors are going to hell then and are terrible people, comedians too :shocked:

I really have to commend you on all your posts.
Really well balanced and constructed.

Refreshing to read honestly.

[rusticgal]

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

Depends if he was impersonating anyone?...or he was instructing someone. Huge difference.

[Amy Jade]

If he had just said Auschwitz (which I have trouble believing you could say instead of outfits but that is neither here nor there) then I would agree his ejection was unjust but since he actually said 'kill the jews' I feel it was the right decision.

Even as a joke it just isn't funny.

[Jules82]

Not that it matters but it wasn't just Jews killed at aushwitz. Other religions were too, plus homosexuals so he was offending Cameron too

He was not offending anyone intentionally, it is the intent which counts and which should have been taken into consideration. The world is a sorry place with many tears, sometimes laughter belays the fears.

[Liam-]

As much as the impression and his words were tasteless and horrifically misjudged, I definitely don’t think it warranted ejection, a formal warning and a slap on the wrist would have sufficed if they weren’t going to show the incident anyway.

[rusticgal]

If he had just said Auschwitz (which I have trouble believing you could say instead of outfits but that is neither here nor there) then I would agree his ejection was unjust but since he actually said 'kill the jews' I feel it was the right decision.

Even as a joke it just isn't funny.

Isnt that what Hitler did?...people have been impersonating Hitler for years saying such things. It wasn't meant to offend and he apologised to anyone it did. A warning maybe..just to be more aware of the sensitivity...but not ejected.

[EllieBrownFan]

Like Lewis would listen to a warning, he’s been breaking rules all series. There were desperate measures taken to ensure he wouldn’t get evicted but then the clownery bit back. He deserved to get ejected.

[Jules82]

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

but they would if it wasnt said maliciously. It is just a shame that in this world we put everything under headings. We shouldnt have to look at someone and say oh he is this and he is that, it doesnt matter we are all from the same source with different thought. I am not religious but doesnt it say somewhere in the bible, when man speaks with the same tongue. Why separate have some faith in life itself. Life is bad though to be fair but someone has to begin....:shrug:

[deanmontague]

whew this tea :idc:

How are people unable to seperate the difference between satire and genuine intended offense?

[AnnieK]

Even though Lewis has now said what it was (to be commended in all honesty, he could have left it). However....unless people are shown it on film we still can't judge how or in what context it was said. It needs to be put to bed now. As its stands, any anti-Semitic, racist, sexist or homophobic language is poor humour....call it satire if you want, I call it unfunny

I do think for Lewis, this will boost his moment of fame far more than winning the show would have done.

I'm bored of it now though....time to move on

[susie q]

If the auschwitz comment was a slip of the tongue, (cant see how though), he might have got away with it if he had just said oops sorry, and then stopped he might have got away with it. But to follow it up with a very poor taste joke, was just wrong. After all there really is' many true word spoken in Jest'. It was right to eject him.

[Greg!]

Subconciounce, word is connected to thin and Cameron, bless him, is thin.


omg :skull:

[deanmontague]

If he had just said Auschwitz (which I have trouble believing you could say instead of outfits but that is neither here nor there) then I would agree his ejection was unjust but since he actually said 'kill the jews' I feel it was the right decision.

Even as a joke it just isn't funny.

I will disagree with this - as someone who uses humour as a defense mechanism for the majority of things in life - i sometimes make jokes about things I shouldn't to try and lighten the mood - maybe that is simply what he was doing... Lets be adults and take offense where it is meant and not where it is grasped at.

[Cherie]

If the auschwitz comment was a slip of the tongue, (cant see how though), he might have got away with it if he had just said oops sorry, and then stopped he might have got away with it. But to follow it up with a very poor taste joke, was just wrong. After all there really is' many true word spoken in Jest'. It was right to eject him.

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

[deanmontague]

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

yet anne widdecombe was kept in for blatant homophobic opinions and beliefs and was championed as the runner up for freedom of speech

people are fickle. honestly.

[montblanc]

'kill all jews' isn't an appropriate 'joke' tho

[Denver]

yet anne widdecombe was kept in for blatant homophobic opinions and beliefs and was championed as the runner up for freedom of speech

people are fickle. honestly.

She never said any of it in the house

[OldShagBuilt]

dont think its worth being booted out for lol it was a joke impression, remember barrymore did the same thing as hitler but didnt say kill the jews... though that is what hitler would of said. i find it funny myself as its just a bad impression. people need to lighten up. if he did a impression of some african dictator saying kill the whites.... still funny and wouldnt be booted for that.

[rusticgal]

How are people unable to seperate the difference between satire and genuine intended offense?

Because they don't want to.. This is Lewis we are talking about remember :hehe:

[Liam-]

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

He already had previous warnings for unacceptable language under his belt by the time he was kicked out though

[Denver]

He already had previous warnings for unacceptable language under his belt by the time he was kicked out though

And Lewis has also broken the rules humorous times

[joeysteele]

Isnt that what Hitler did?...people have been impersonating Hitler for years saying such things. It wasn't meant to offend and he apologised to anyone it did. A warning maybe..just to be more aware of the sensitivity...but not ejected.

I don't see it as an ejection issue either.
In fact I haven't agreed with other ejections.

It's odd a misguided and extremely foolish incident in the context of humour, warrants ejection.
Of course warn him, a formal and final warning should have sufficed.

If I believed or knew anyone was or was being anti semetic,.I'd want all thrown at them.
This wasn't such an instance and it seems he realised the concern that could be too, so raised the issue himself.
That should be shown.
It's not something he brushed, or tried to brush under the carpet.

Kazanne said, it is what it is and some who disliked Lewis as a housemate also advocate it's not an ejection worthy incident.
It's all really sad and could have been handled so much better by all concerned.

[Jules82]

as if the two were mutually exclusive :facepalm:
another proof that when it comes to matters "spiritual" he doesn't know his arse from his elbow :rolleyes:

I would totally disagree with you re the spiritual angle TS. He is spiritual, he reads the right books to enable him to understand more. In the understanding though comes the doubt and self annihilation trying hard to do the right thing. There is much in this world which isnt understood because many stay on one level of thought and dont want to discover.

Trying to discover is hard when one comes down to the level of materialism, we cant go through life being goody goody which, and, no disrespect, I believe that Kay is trying to do, bless her but she will learn.

Discovery is being able to be with all levels of understanding, this is what he is striving for whether one believes it or not. If he makes it well done, if he doesnt maybe the time isnt right. It certainly doesnt make him a bad person, everyone should have the benefit of the doubt because we are all searching whether we realise it or not.

[Liam-]

And Lewis has also broken the rules humorous times

But hasn’t had any warnings, as far as we know

[Denver]

But hasn’t had any warnings, as far as we know

They don't always show warning though

[Jules82]

And Lewis has also broken the rules humorous times

I have no doubt whatsoever that the others have as well but the ejection wasnt about past warnings, it was his attempt at humour which went wrong in the eyes of C5. Had he been on a stage he may have got laughs, how many laughed at Barrymore...

[deanmontague]

She never said any of it in the house

Are you joking?
She openly discussed in conversation between herself and Courtney Act about how she voted against legalising gay marriage - and her reasons why.

She also acted upon a THOUSAND microagressions to the majority of the gay and trans people in the house, as well as horrific body language and reactions to people which I ersonally think is MUCH more damaging than an off the cuff remark made in jest.

[Liam-]

They don't always show warning though
iirc they’ve always shown formal and/or final warnings

[Denver]

Are you joking?
She openly discussed in conversation between herself and Courtney Act about how she voted against legalising gay marriage - and her reasons why.

She also acted upon a THOUSAND microagressions to the majority of the gay and trans people in the house, as well as horrific body language and reactions to people which I ersonally think is MUCH more damaging than an off the cuff remark made in jest.
She explained her reasons for a vote many years ago and I kinda agreed with some of her reason not everyone who doesn't accept same sex relationships are homophobic and she never went out of her way to hurt or attack the lgbt community

[ConnorTheJudge]

I no longer like Lewis anymore but he was just making a joke, It's not really ejection worthy. Whats funny is that many fans who are saying this is inexcusable/applauding over his ejection supported Tila Tequila an actual anti Semitic person and were annoyed about her ejection. Pot Kettle.

For the show I'm glad Lewis has gone as I didn't like him, but I don't agree with the reason he was ejected. I'd also say the same about Ellis [who I didn't like also].
Although I'm a Lewis fan, I agree with this. Lewis said he went straight to the diary room to apologize, I wonder what would of happened if he didn't?

[deanmontague]

She explained her reasons for a vote many years ago and I kinda agreed with some of her reason not everyone who doesn't accept same sex relationships are homophobic and she never went out of her way to hurt or attack the lgbt community

'not everyone who doesn't accept same sex relationships are homophobic'

just going to leave that one there to stew for you to ponder over :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Denver]

'not everyone who doesn't accept same sex relationships are homophobic'

just going to leave that one there to stew for you to ponder over :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

She had her reasons and she wasn't malicious

[Epic.]

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

Biggins was removed after repeated hateful language against bisexuals and Jews whereas Lewis was one slip of the tongue

[Denver]

Biggins was removed after repeated hateful language against bisexuals and Jews whereas Lewis was one slip of the tongue

The 1st comment would have been slip of a young but to follow it up with a distasteful joke is not slip of the tongue

[rusticgal]

They don't always show warning though

So how do you know he has???

[Denver]

So how do you know he has???

We saw him reprimanded for constant rule breaking which is ejection worthy

[Liam-]

We saw him reprimanded for constant rule breaking which is ejection worthy

He was punished for rule breaking yes, that’s not the same thing as a warning

[Niamh.]

That makes a lot more sense

[BBUK-Fan]

This is all speculation. We don't know anything, until they actually show it.

Not speculation, he admitted it

[GoldHeart]

They don't always show warning though

Well like I said even when it was raining like mad and Lewis jumped in the pool with Cameron and kept ignoring BB rules :nono: .
In general he hates authority , so it makes you wonder how many chances he got .

[Withano]

Fair ejection and i do believe its true

[rusticgal]

Well like I said even when it was raining like mad and Lewis jumped in the pool with Cameron and kept ignoring BB rules :nono: .
In general he hates authority , so it makes you wonder how many chances he got .

They don't eject them over things like that...they never have...and plenty of them have broken rules time and time again.

[Rob!]

Biggins was removed after repeated hateful language against bisexuals and Jews whereas Lewis was one slip of the tongue

Saying “kill the Jews” is one hell of a slip.

[Vanessa]

It was a bad joke. I doubt he's anti semitic at all. I think a warning would have been enough. Not ejection worthy for me.

[Morgan.]

He was punished for rule breaking yes, that’s not the same thing as a warning

Kitten and the ejected Jensen were kicked out for constant rule breaks right?

[Morgan.]

It was a bad joke. I doubt he's anti semitic at all. I think a warning would have been enough. Not ejection worthy for me.

But he is also your favourite so you're bound to feel like it was unfair.

[Tony Montana]

Kitten and the ejected Jensen were kicked out for constant rule breaks right?

Yep, You're correct.

[Morgan.]

Yep, You're correct.

So his constant rule breaks added with the anti-Semitic joke (it doesn't have to have been said with intent, it's still anti-Semitic) makes a worthy ejection in my opinion.

[Amy Jade]

Anne Widdecombe never said 'kill all the gays' so that is irrelevant.

[rusticgal]

Anne Widdecombe never said 'kill all the gays' so that is irrelevant.

...and she didn't impersonate anyone..so its all irrelevant.

[LukeB]

So his constant rule breaks added with the anti-Semitic joke (it doesn't have to have been said with intent, it's still anti-Semitic) makes a worthy ejection in my opinion.

And tbf even though Ellis didn't deserve to be ejected she was ejected for offensive stuff (which was in 2014 on twitter) anyone getting ejected after that for making offensive comments is fair, can't give someone a slap on the wrist and eject the other one.

[Morgan.]

...and she didn't impersonate anyone..so its all irrelevant.

She did impersonate Mel B but that's an entirely different story and warranted ejection for a completely unrelated reason

[Amy Jade]

...and she didn't impersonate anyone..so its all irrelevant.

If you say so :hee:

Fact remains you are defending a person saying all jews should die.

[LukeB]

can we eject Cameron for anti feminism too?

[rusticgal]

If you say so :hee:

Fact remains you are defending a person saying all jews should die.

FGS Amy...Lewis was not instructing people to go out and kill all jews...he was impersonating Hitler who spoke those words...

[Vanessa]

And tbf even though Ellis didn't deserve to be ejected she was ejected for offensive stuff (which was in 2014 on twitter) anyone getting ejected after that for making offensive comments is fair, can't give someone a slap on the wrist and eject the other one.

I don't think either should have been ejected. People have said way worse on big brother in the past. The ofcom brigade has ruined the show.

[pontyboi]

Can we just acknowledge Hitler's impact...Two people have been ejected through guilt by association and another came runner up for impersonating him.

Not Hitler being an undercover assassin on BB!

[Amy Jade]

FGS Amy...Lewis was not instructing people to go out and kill all jews...he was impersonating Hitler who spoke those words...

I love how you seemingly know the context above anyone else and it fits the agenda you wish to spin it to make him look innocent.

Some things said reguardless of context are enough for action to be taken. C5 decided an antisemitic comment was enough to eject him. It's simple as that. He knew that going in. For christ sake Biggins was ejected 2 series ago for it!

[Rob!]

Can we just acknowledge that Hitler is still ****ing things up for people even from beyond the grave.

What a tw@t.

Yeah, he’d have been a great CBB housemate :(

[Macie Lightfoot]

Controversial opinion: saying "kill the Jews" is bad in any context

It was a slip of the tongue! He was actually doing a Carole Vincent impersonation and telling people to fill....... the carafe with juice...... yes, that's it.

[Epic.]

Saying “kill the Jews” is one hell of a slip.

I don't completely disagree with his removal, just distinguishing between the two

[Amy Jade]

I don't think either should have been ejected. People have said way worse on big brother in the past. The ofcom brigade has ruined the show.

You wanted Jasmine Lennard ejected for flirting with Cristian so...

[Vanessa]

You wanted Jasmine Lennard ejected for flirting with Cristian so...

She didn't do anything ejection worthy.

[Matthew.]

And tbf even though Ellis didn't deserve to be ejected she was ejected for offensive stuff (which was in 2014 on twitter) anyone getting ejected after that for making offensive comments is fair, can't give someone a slap on the wrist and eject the other one.

this is a good point, i like lewis (i’m a bit up and down with him atm) but i agree with this

[Amy Jade]

She didn't do anything ejection worthy.

I know. Lewis did.

[Vanessa]

I know. Lewis did.

Not for me. A warning would have been enough. Same for Ellie.

[Kazanne]

LOL at people who don't , can't or won't accept the fact the Lewis was mimicking something Hitler said, not what HE was thinking , it's not really rocket science , unless that old hatred is making some take it out of context, and wasn't it him , himself who took himself off to the DR to apologize ,wonder what BB would have done had he said nothing , but , what's done is done, I am certain there was no malice just a poorly timed unfunny joke , we all do it at times.

[MTVN]

Makes sense but I see no reason why they wouldn't show it and I'm not sure it is really ejection worthy. Only thing I'm unsure about is if there was a slip of the tongue between Auschwitz and outfits as that doesn't make much sense. I suspect the original comment was more about comparing the prison task to Auschwitz/saying Cameron looked like he'd been in Auschwitz/accusing Zoe and Sian of acting like guards in Auschwitz. Something like that

[Vanessa]

LOL at people who don't , can't or won't accept the fact the Lewis was mimicking something Hitler said, not what HE was thinking , it's not really rocket science , unless that old hatred is making some take it out of context, and wasn't it him , himself who took himself off to the DR to apologize ,wonder what BB would have done had he said nothing , but , what's done is done, I am certain there was no malice just a poorly timed unfunny joke , we all do it at times.
I agree. Also, he admitted what he said and took responsibility, i admire that. He's not one to cover things up.

[Spoon]

Saying “kill the Jews” is one hell of a slip.

Yeah. That's horrific.

[Vanessa]

Makes sense but I see no reason why they wouldn't show it and I'm not sure it is really ejection worthy. Only thing I'm unsure about is if there was a slip of the tongue between Auschwitz and outfits as that doesn't make much sense. I suspect the original comment was more about comparing the prison task to Auschwitz/saying Cameron looked like he'd been in Auschwitz/accusing Zoe and Sian of acting like guards in Auschwitz. Something like that
If you want to know what Lewis said, watch his latest Instagram live chat.

[MTVN]

If you want to know what Lewis said, watch his latest Instagram live chat.

That's his account, it's not necessarily exact

[AnnieK]

If you want to know what Lewis said, watch his latest Instagram live chat.

I know you wont see this but hey ho.

We know what Lewis said he said.....that's all. Unless C5 show it, which they won't, we still don't know. I believe what he has said....but we don't know the full facts. This is why it needs to be shown.....so it can be put to bed. Until then, we are none the wiser other than knowing more.of the dialogue. Without seeing it, we still cant say anything else, how it was said, the actual conversation. Lewis is not going to go on Insta and say yeah I'm an anti-Semite, I said this.....he knows C5 will not show it now and so he can spin it anyway he wants whilst keeping his fans on side saying he is being honest etc etc.

The fairest thing to do is show the public...but thats not going to happen so still everything is conjecture. Akeem could cone out for example, confirm the conversation but say Lewis was being ant-semitic, still conjecture unless we see it.

[Vanessa]

I know you wont see this but hey ho.

We know what Lewis said he said.....that's all. Unless C5 show it, which they won't, we still don't know. I believe what he has said....but we don't know the full facts. This is why it needs to be shown.....so it can be put to bed. Until then, we are none the wiser other than knowing more.of the dialogue. Without seeing it, we still cant say anything else, how it was said, the actual conversation. Lewis is not going to go on Insta and say yeah I'm an anti-Semite, I said this.....he knows C5 will not show it now and so he can spin it anyway he wants whilst keeping his fans on side saying he is being honest etc etc.

The fairest thing to do is show the public...but thats not going to happen so still everything is conjecture. Akeem could cone out for example, confirm the conversation but say Lewis was being ant-semitic, still conjecture unless we see it.

Lewis and his family want it to be shown, but channel 5 refused. If Lewis had something to hide he wouldn't admit everything like he just did.
He knows he crossed the line, but didn't mean to offend.

[Amy Jade]

He knows he crossed the line and has admitted what he said was awful yet his fans are still defending him when he isn't even defending his own words.

Slip of the tongue, mimicking, comedy. All boils down to the facr he said 'KILL ALL JEWS'.

[AnnieK]

Lewis and his family want it to be shown, but channel 5 refused. If Lewis had something to hide he wouldn't admit everything like he just did.
He knows he crossed the line, but didn't mean to offend.

I agree it should be shown. If Lewis has no problem woth it, I see no reason for C5 not showing it. They have covered their backs by removing him and not allowing him to win the £100k. Realistically, they are doing him a disservice by not showing it....if it was as innocent as is being claimed, it could have a detrimental effect on his future career prospects etc by not showing it. It was a very silly thing to do and say BUT to be fair to him he had no idea of the atrocity that happened over the weekend so in some ways I think he's a victim of bad timing....but still was a silly thing to do. He should know that anything like that could and would be seen as offensive.

All that said, this could work in his favour, I think this will keep his profile mire relevant than if he had actually won

[Jules82]

I have had a look on his page and another, nothing but good messages of understanding for him, with the exception of one or two iffy ones. This after many had seen his message.

There are a few lovely pieces from his collection, spiritual and worthy of reading. He is a good man, who, like the rest of us, makes mistakes. I wouldnt say it if I didnt think it as after all next week most of them will be forgotten. He is to be admired for facing his mistake and not blaming anyone else but himself.

Someone pointed out Barrymore with his joke on Hitler, he came 2nd. Didnt like the man and this was after the pool incident at his home.

[Vanessa]

I agree it should be shown. If Lewis has no problem woth it, I see no reason for C5 not showing it. They have covered their backs by removing him and not allowing him to win the £100k. Realistically, they are doing him a disservice by not showing it....if it was as innocent as is being claimed, it could have a detrimental effect on his future career prospects etc by not showing it. It was a very silly thing to do and say BUT to be fair to him he had no idea of the atrocity that happened over the weekend so in some ways I think he's a victim of bad timing....but still was a silly thing to do.

All that said, this could work in his favour, I think this will keep his profile mire relevant than if he had actually won

The problem i have is only that channel 5 tried to cover it up. That pisses me off. It's a reality tv show, we should be shown everything. Not just what they want us to see. No wonder this show is ending.

[Vanessa]

I have had a look on his page and another, nothing but good messages of understanding for him, with the exception of one or two iffy ones. This after many had seen his message.

There are a few lovely pieces from his collection, spiritual and worthy of reading. He is a good man, who, like the rest of us, makes mistakes. I wouldnt say it if I didnt think it as after all next week most of them will be forgotten. He is to be admired for facing his mistake and not blaming anyone else but himself.

Someone pointed out Barrymore with his joke on Hitler, he came 2nd. Didnt like the man and this was after the pool incident at his home.

Yes, i like that he admitted it and is taking responsibility.

[Cherie]

And Lewis has also broken the rules humorous times

None of them were humorous :hee:

[Twosugars]

He knows he crossed the line and has admitted what he said was awful yet his fans are still defending him when he isn't even defending his own words.

Slip of the tongue, mimicking, comedy. All boils down to the facr he said 'KILL ALL JEWS'.

exactly

not to mention, what sensible person would follow one ugly slip with more of the same, as a joke? add to that his usually angry delivery and no wonder channel 5 decided to kick him out
I do think tho, that it should be shown

[Twosugars]

can only imagine what all those holier-than-thou defenders of Lewis would say if it was e.g. Tomasz who cracked that "joke" :skull:
as it was he was called a pig, so probably a "nazi pig" would have been one of the more popular terms to describe him

[south12345]

Inappropriate…..apologise...……….move on

[thesheriff443]

As a viewer you have no rights as to what they show.

Mr biggins went for the same type of comment.

Bigbrother has a sponsor and that sponsor would not want to be ascociated with a show that let someone stay after making those comments.

[thesheriff443]

If Lewis fans feel so strongly, you should all send him a wod of cash and stand outside channel five screaming and shouting until you are dragged away by the police.

[rusticgal]

can only imagine what all those holier-than-thou defenders of Lewis would say if it was e.g. Tomasz who cracked that "joke" :skull:
as it was he was called a pig, so probably a "nazi pig" would have been one of the more popular terms to describe him


We would be saying the same thing...but you will obviously question that.

[pontyboi]

As a viewer you have no rights as to what they show.

Mr biggins went for the same type of comment.

Bigbrother has a sponsor and that sponsor would not want to be ascociated with a show that let someone stay after making those comments.

Im sure Pink Casino would get over it :joker:

Anyway your argument is irrelevant when BB has the choice not to show it plus there's no live feed so not like it would slip through the net.

From an advertisers point of view it would have been better if BB swept it under the rug and the world would have no idea what happened. Now however its all over Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and the forums.

Its literally all anyone is talking about.

[Twosugars]

None of them were humorous :hee:

:hehe:

[rusticgal]

Might have is indeed the operative word rusticgal.
It's really sad and it still comes down too, to the context.
Was he serious in intent, no of course he wasn't.
He even realised he needed to address that himself as has been said and Kazanne mentioned too.

I would heavily condemned. Him if he meant it, as I'd guess you may have done so too.
However he did not.

For me this is at worst a formal final warning issue not an ejection one.


I agree with you Joey...I would never defend the undefendable but this has been taken way out of context IMO.

[rusticgal]

If Lewis fans feel so strongly, you should all send him a wod of cash and stand outside channel five screaming and shouting until you are dragged away by the police.


Yeah...ok :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

Im sure Pink Casino would get over it :joker:

Anyway your argument is irrelevant when BB has the choice not to show it plus there's no live feed so not like it would slip through the net.

From an advertisers point of view it would have been better if BB swept it under the rug and the world would have no idea what happened. Now however its all over Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and the forums.

Its literally all anyone is talking about.

They have a moral duty of letting someone win after they had said it, regardless of it being shown

After all Ellis got removed for something she said years before going on bigbrother.

[joeysteele]

I didn't agree with Ellis being ejected either actually.
It's the viewers who should decide.

If there's no malicious intent, no threat of violence or any physical contact of aggression or abuse (physical or sexual), of another housemate, then virtually little else should be ejection issues.
In my view anyway

[Clown]

Everything he ever says is vile . He is the nastiest person to ever on big brother by a big margin
How can anyone defend that .

[Jordan.]

Wow glad they didn't show it, REPULSIVE comment. He got what he deserved then!

[tanussa]

It was just an impression based on a slip of the tongue its not as if he was preaching "death to all Jews" if anything he was mocking himself for his slip of the tongue.

Remember when Michael Barrymore did pretty much the same thing back in CBB5 and BB didn't bat an eye lid?

Yes he should have got a warning just to show that people may have been offended but not removed from the house I mean its not as if he is anti semitic .

totally agree with this

[tanussa]

it was just an example of lewis's eccentric sense of humour, I reckon we are all capable of a slip of the tongue in the spare of the moment. I think we all know he didnt mean any offence to anyone. just a silly joke that he now regrets

[Jack_]

Yeah, he’d have been a great CBB housemate :(

I actually think he'd have been a bore! A great VT, but a bit of a non-entity in the house

[Dinah]

Everything he ever says is vile . He is the nastiest person to ever on big brother by a big margin
How can anyone defend that .


Worse than Conor, really?

[Jules82]

Might have is indeed the operative word rusticgal.
It's really sad and it still comes down too, to the context.
Was he serious in intent, no of course he wasn't.
He even realised he needed to address that himself as has been said and Kazanne mentioned too.

I would heavily condemned. Him if he meant it, as I'd guess you may have done so too.
However he did not.

For me this is at worst a formal final warning issue not an ejection one.

Agree totally.

[Clown]

Worse than Conor, really?

Worst than all combined

[Jules82]

He knows he crossed the line and has admitted what he said was awful yet his fans are still defending him when he isn't even defending his own words.

Slip of the tongue, mimicking, comedy. All boils down to the facr he said 'KILL ALL JEWS'.


No Hitler said that Lewis was mimicking him, but you would have realised that.

[Rob!]

I actually think he'd have been a bore! A great VT, but a bit of a non-entity in the house

Imagine Kim vs Hitler. An iconic rivalry!

[Dinah]

Worst than all combined

So, in your opinion, a man who makes a joke in poor taste is worse than a man who makes a threat of rape.

[Jase.]

He is the nastiest person to ever on big brother by a big margin

I mean if you only started watching BB this year I guess I see where you're coming from otherwise.. :skull:

[Clown]

So, in your opinion, a man who makes a joke in poor taste is worse than a man who makes a threat of rape.

A joke is something about Hitler not saying kill the Jews that not a joke .
He has never made any impressions or joked in his entire time in there yet people want to believe he suddenly became a comedian now that's funny
He was obviously ranting and trying to cover it up with a slip of the tongue lie .

[Twosugars]

it was just an example of lewis's eccentric sense of humour, I reckon we are all capable of a slip of the tongue in the spare of the moment. I think we all know he didnt mean any offence to anyone. just a silly joke that he now regrets
:facepalm:

A joke is something about Hitler not saying kill the Jews that not a joke .
He has never made any impressions or joked in his entire time in there yet people want to believe he suddenly became a comedian now that's funny
He was obviously ranting and trying to cover it up with a slip of the tongue lie .
exactly right

[mr rochester]

Lets hope it doesn't take him 40 minutes to get to it

It will...:fist:

[mr rochester]

A joke is something about Hitler not saying kill the Jews that not a joke .
He has never made any impressions or joked in his entire time in there yet people want to believe he suddenly became a comedian now that's funny
He was obviously ranting and trying to cover it up with a slip of the tongue lie .

Yep...all true.

[ThriceShy]

Wait a minute, Hitler did say kill the jews. So all lewis did was an accurate impression of someone we like to mock because he wasn't a very nice guy.

[rusticgal]

you started this particular parlour game assuming things about Amy Jade

Stop attacking a fm.

A little insensitive? Tell that to 6 million killed Jews how they like being joked about.


Taken all out of context...

Lewis went straight in the DR and apologised...he never meant it that way and you know it.
Let's not talk about insensitivity...especially when it comes to FMs insulting the looks and personal attacks on housemates which isn't what we are here to discuss.

[rusticgal]

Wait a minute, Hitler did say kill the jews. So all lewis did was an accurate impression of someone we like to mock because he wasn't a very nice guy.


As have many...

[Mystic Mock]

So, in your opinion, a man who makes a joke in poor taste is worse than a man who makes a threat of rape.

Conor's the biggest disgrace that BBUK has ever had imo, how anyone can say that Lewis was worse needs to rewatch BB13 in my view.

And I can understand why Ch5 wanted him removed as his comments could damage their brand if they left him to stay in the house, however I still think that actions speak louder than words and I'm still wondering why Zoe is still in the house after she committed the bigger offence by trying to punch Hussain?

[Rob!]

There is no and should be no comparison between Conor and Lewis whatsoever. Conor was a vile bullying thug with absolutely no redeeming features about him whatsoever.
Lewis is a massively paranoid anxious person with a kind heart in the right place, but I do also think that he could have stamped on a baby's head and there are still people on here that would defend him so debating him and his removal is pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things.

[Mystic Mock]

There is no and should be no comparison between Conor and Lewis whatsoever. Conor was a vile bullying thug with absolutely no redeeming features about him whatsoever.
Lewis is a massively paranoid anxious person with a kind heart in the right place, but I do also think that he could have stamped on a baby's head and there are still people on here that would defend him so debating him and his removal is pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things.

You've summed up both Housemates quite well I think.

[Yaki da]

Reminds me of the poor guy up in Scotland who had 2 years of his life put on hold for making a video featuring himself training his girlfriend's Pug dog to do a Heil Hitler salute when he said "Gas the Jews". He made it clear he was joking and trying to turn what his girlfriend regarded as the cutest dog in the world into the most monstrous thing imaginable.

These stories are just beyond parody at this point. The country has clearly lost its marbles.

[bots]

Anyone here condoning Lewis actually jewish? Didn't think so :idc:

[Ammi]

...it was only his place in the house he lost as opposed to if it had been a celebrity BB and a career may have been lost as well...


....it’s the irony of Lewis that has so often been the thing...he seems to feel superior to many levels of conversation and yet his level of conversation is the only eject-able one in its careless, offensive content...

[Kazanne]

No Hitler said that Lewis was mimicking him, but you would have realised that.

Of course , and don't forget all these perfect people have never said anything inappropriate, most people know it 's not his thoughts he just relayed something someone else said so for all those banging on about fans defending Lewis, it's no different than anti fans trying to make out it was Lewis himself who wanted "All Jews killed" if you are relaying what someone has said, you use the words they said , so people can spin it how they like, I wonder if the autobiography about Hitler used those words , you can bet they did, lets go and preach to them just how bad they are for using the mans own words.pfft

[AnnieK]

Of course , and don't forget all these perfect people have never said anything inappropriate, most people know it 's not his thoughts he just relayed something someone else said so for all those banging on about fans defending Lewis, it's no different than anti fans trying to make out it was Lewis himself who wanted "All Jews killed" if you are relaying what someone has said, you use the words they said , so people can spin it how they like, I wonder if the autobiography about Hitler used those words , you can bet they did, lets go and preach to them just how bad they are for using the mans own words.pfft

That analogy doesn't work though, an author of an auto biography uses words as factual, Lewis used it to get a cheap laugh.

Put another way, if someone on a reality TV show made a cheap joke at an atrocity that has affected you deeply, how would you expect them to handle it? I would be calling for blood. C5 cannot take the chance of being associated with it....rightly or wrongly, they are a business and ha e to protect their brand

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was ejected NOT for what he said but for the potential for the powers that be to get blame

its just people in elite positions protecting their personal wealth and status


he was just thrown under the bus

[Ammi]

...when you say ‘kill the jews’ on a national TV show...(..the context of saying it is irrelevant..)....then you’ve thrown yourself under a bus and nothing else offered as any type of explanation or reasoning or whatever is anything other that just a deflection from that...Lewis knows what he did ..(..and I’m sure knows that he would have won quite easily...)...so knows that his ejection was by his own hand with his careless and thoughtless use of words...

[Beso]

He proved to us on tv that he Infact does not love everyone.

[tanussa]

lewis went live on facebook last night & explained what happened. just a silly slip up in a jovial moment

https://www.facebook.com/lewis.flanagan.714/videos/316725605579258/

[Kazanne]

lewis went live on facebook last night & explained what happened. just a silly slip up in a jovial moment

https://www.facebook.com/lewis.flanagan.714/videos/316725605579258/

Thanks for that tanussa,it's all very clear from that ,that he is sorry and it was not said in malice, and it was HIM who went to the DR and told BB,and they really wanted to keep him in.

[Vanessa]

Thanks for that tanussa,it's all very clear from that ,that he is sorry and it was not said in malice, and it was HIM who went to the DR and told BB,and they really wanted to keep him in.

I really admire his honesty. He hasn't tried to brush this under the carpet. Instead he has admitted it and that takes great courage. I like him even more now.
And he's actually doing something good : helping people who are affected by suicide or depression.

[mr rochester]

Are you joking?
She openly discussed in conversation between herself and Courtney Act about how she voted against legalising gay marriage - and her reasons why.

She also acted upon a THOUSAND microagressions to the majority of the gay and trans people in the house, as well as horrific body language and reactions to people which I ersonally think is MUCH more damaging than an off the cuff remark made in jest.


I really agree with this point.

I found Lewis repugnant (sorry Dean, I know you loved him) however, production has been massively inconsistent in how they have policed their version of what is and isn’t appropriate.

He should not have been removed for saying something that wasn’t aired because no-one could be offended by something they had not seen.

If they were going to get rid of him how about using the misogyny we all saw? Anne Widdicome was utterly and at times hatefully un-pc and came second. It is perfectly reasonable then to draw this comparison just as it is completely fair to draw the Barrymore comparison...

Sauce - goose - gander. Bad decision by production team.

[Vanessa]

Lewis is using his Instagram account to actually help people who are affected by suicide or depression. He's doing a lot of good. Of course the keyboards warriors don't understand that. I pity them.

[Vanessa]

I really agree with this point.

I found Lewis repugnant (sorry Dean, I know you loved him) however, production has been massively inconsistent in how they have policed their version of what is and isn’t appropriate.

He should not have been removed for saying something that wasn’t aired because no-one could be offended by something they had not seen.

If they were going to get rid of him how about using the misogyny we all saw? Anne Widdicome was utterly and at times hatefully un-pc and came second. It is perfectly reasonable then to draw this comparison just as it is completely fair to draw the Barrymore comparison...

Sauce - goose - gander. Bad decision by production team.
Yes. Michael's Barrymore made a similar joke, but wasn't removed.Ann at times crossed the line, but again she was allowed to stay. Its all very inconsistent.

[Kazanne]

Lewis is using his Instagram account to actually help people who are affected by suicide or depression. He's doing a lot of good. Of course the keyboards warriors don't understand that. I pity them.

They do understand Vanessa , unless they are unbelievably thick,they just think they are mighty warriors behind their keyboards, when really if they were confronted you wouldn't see their arses for dust, I do love all those positive comments for him though, it just shows most people do understand people make mistakes and he has owned up to his , I don't know what else people want, he seems a lovely bloke, complicated but nice.

[Vanessa]

They do understand Vanessa , unless they are unbelievably thick,they just think they are mighty warriors behind their keyboards, when really if they were confronted you wouldn't see their arses for dust, I do love all those positive comments for him though, it just shows most people do understand people make mistakes and he has owned up to his , I don't know what else people want, he seems a lovely bloke, complicated but nice.
Helping people is far more important than winning a tv show. I'm so glad that he understands that. And a lot of good has come out of this.

[Beso]

When is he putting on his big red rosette to go canvassing for labour?

[mr rochester]

Yes. Michael's Barrymore made a similar joke, but wasn't removed.Ann at times crossed the line, but again she was allowed to stay. Its all very inconsistent.

Precisely - Barrymore was pathetically offensive as was Widdicome (at times). Production deemed it ok to air this for us to cringe over nevertheless. Inconsistency by Production is forever going to be very frustrating indeed. One minute it’s this then the next minute it’s something else. If you were to draw this to it’s natural ridiculous conclusion we would be faced with housemates who sat in silence for 6 weeks for fear they may offend someone...grrr

[AnnieK]

IF Lewis uses this notoriety for good and helps people that is a great thing - mental health needs talking about and if people feel they can open up to a person from a TV show then that is great. I still say C5 had very little choice to remove him...anti-semitism has been highlighted a lot recently and is a massively emotive subject, far more than in the Barrymore days and so to protect the brand they really had no option to remove him now.

[BBDodge]

When is he putting on his big red rosette to go canvassing for labour?

When's the next election?

[Twosugars]

Love it how Lewis is painted as a mother Theresa:laugh:
The most negative person in the house loves all people? Don't make me laugh
Good riddance to bad rubbish!
Stockton branch of EDL has found its new spokesman

[Vanessa]

IF Lewis uses this notoriety for good and helps people that is a great thing - mental health needs talking about and if people feel they can open up to a person from a TV show then that is great. I still say C5 had very little choice to remove him...anti-semitism has been highlighted a lot recently and is a massively emotive subject, far more than in the Barrymore days and so to protect the brand they really had no option to remove him now.

Yes. Mental health is still very much a taboo subject. People feel like they can't talk about it, for fear of being judged. Those who have been there understand and don't judge.
I've been there myself, but no one knows, not even my closest family and friends. They wouldn't understand.

[Northern Monkey]

It’s Corbyns fault.

If he hadn’t made anti-semitism such an issue in this country Lewis might’ve got away with it.

[BBDodge]

It’s Corbyns fault.

If he hadn’t made anti-semitism such an issue in this country Lewis might’ve got away with it.

Not with events in the news that weekend. Someone was actually killing Jews.

[Northern Monkey]

Not with events in the news that weekend. Someone was actually killing Jews.

Yep that too.Forgot about that.Bad timing.

Never been a Lewis fan but i’ve always been against removals for things people say.
Let them speak freely and deal with the consequences on eviction night and when they get out imo.

[Vicky.]

I think any other year, they would have just gave a warning and be done with it. But it was horrendous timing, with the shooting. Also I suspect he had had many warnings previously about various offensive language. And no, we don't always get shown warnings..didn't Helen Wood get like 30? :laugh:

Anyway, this makes a lot more sense, than when it was claimed that it was just about saying Auschwitz instead of outfits (which is an almost impossible 'mistake' to start with IMO...was almost certainly an attempt at a joke rather than a 'slip of the tongue') which it very very obviously was not.

[Vanessa]

Lewis liked my comment on Instagram :love:

[Ammi]

...(I’d like to think..)...that in any year and with any housemate...any form of ‘kill the jew’ mockery/flippancy/jokery ...the specific use of those words would never have any level of acceptability within any reality TV show for any contestant to have said in whatever year /circumstances or whatever they were said in...the words he used could have only resulted with an ejection, nothing else would have been acceptable imo...everything else being noted just detracts from the seriousness of what was actually said by him and that, that was enough....

[BBDodge]

...(I’d like to think..)...that in any year and with any housemate...any form of ‘kill the jew’ mockery/flippancy/jokery ...the specific use of those words would never have any level of acceptability within any reality TV show for any contestant to have said in whatever year /circumstances or whatever they were said in...the words he used could have only resulted with an ejection, nothing else would have been acceptable imo...everything else being noted just detracts from the seriousness of what was actually said by him and that, that was enough....

Barrymore doing a Hitler impersonation and talking gibberish is shown for entertainment (it wasn't particularly funny).

But the annihilation of the Jews was actually Hitler's prime directive. Hitler doesn't become a harmless object of derision if you neuter what he was about.

Unfortunately we will never see the manner in which Lewis was doing his Hitler thing.

[Toy Soldier]

Barrymore doing a Hitler impersonation and talking gibberish is shown for entertainment (it wasn't particularly funny).

But the annihilation of the Jews was actually Hitler's prime directive. Hitler doesn't become a harmless object of derision if you neuter what he was about.


I agree but, to be fair, that was 12 years ago and I highly doubt Barrymore would get away with that act today. Though I suspect they simply wouldn't show it, he wouldn't have been thrown out.

[Cherie]

I agree but, to be fair, that was 12 years ago and I highly doubt Barrymore would get away with that act today. Though I suspect they simply wouldn't show it, he wouldn't have been thrown out.

Exactly the world has moved on, Biggins was chucked out for more or less the same thing and there was no fuss about that ejection

[Niamh.]

Exactly the world has moved on, Biggins was chucked out for more or less the same thing and there was no fuss about that ejection

funny that :think:

[GoldHeart]

funny that :think:

Probably because i'm guessing his comments WERE ACTUALLY aired? , i never watched that Series but i heard about it .

Plus Biggins and Lewis are both physically different looking , that's all i'm saying .

[Jake.]

Probably because i'm guessing his comments WERE ACTUALLY aired? , i never watched that Series but i heard about it .

Plus Biggins and Lewis are both physically different looking , that's all i'm saying .

Well, they weren’t aired.

[GoldHeart]

Well, they weren’t aired.

I thought they were?? :conf: , again i NEVER watched that CBB so i'm just going by what i've heard .

[James]

It says on Wikipedia Biggins' comments were aired and people complained to Ofcom, but the complaints were rejected.

He was removed from the house on Day 9 after making offensive comments.[14] Forty-four people complained to Ofcom about comments Biggins made about bisexuals, but Ofcom ruled that although the comments could cause offence, they were likely to be within the audience's expectations, and his comments were therefore found not to be in breach of broadcasting rules.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_18_(UK)#Summary

The difference in reactions with Biggins to Lewis is that Biggins was only in the house for 9 days rather than 7 weeks, wasn't removed with only a week to go, and wasn't the favourite to win. And it is Celebrity rather than normal Big Brother.

Also Biggins' comments were apparently aired, but I don't remember because I couldn't have watched that series all that much, or been that interested in it.

[Vanessa]

It says on Wikipedia Biggins' comments were aired and people complained to Ofcom, but the complaints were rejected.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_18_(UK)#Summary

The difference in reactions with Biggins to Lewis is that Biggins was only in the house for 9 days rather than 7 weeks, wasn't removed with only a week to go, and wasn't the favourite to win. And it is Celebrity rather than normal Big Brother.

Also Biggins' comments were apparently aired, but I don't remember because I couldn't watch that series all that much, or been that interested in it.

I don't remember them airing Biggins comments either. :suspect:

[GoldHeart]

I don't remember them airing Biggins comments either. :suspect:

I'm confused :huh: , i got the impression they DID air it . Are you sure it wasn't one of those flashbacks?? where they show a clip of what happened previously?.

Which is what we SHOULD of had with Lewis :nono: .

[James]

It might have one of these things where he had what he said, repeated back to him in the diary room.

[?]

[bots]

Some of what biggins said was aired some not. The aids stuff was certainly shown, because there was quite a persistent build up from him on that, he did get a formal warning before getting booted as i recall.

[Jordan.]

I'm confused :huh: , i got the impression they DID air it . Are you sure it wasn't one of those flashbacks?? where they show a clip of what happened previously?.

Which is what we SHOULD of had with Lewis :nono: .

Yeah I remember clips being shown, one with Katie being upset about what he just said. Maybe they were shown on BOTS and not the main show but something was definitely aired.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah I remember clips being shown, one with Katie being upset about what he just said. Maybe they were shown on BOTS and not the main show but something was definitely aired.

I thought so , like i said i never watched it but i've heard about it .

[deanmontague]

Lewis is using his Instagram account to actually help people who are affected by suicide or depression. He's doing a lot of good. Of course the keyboards warriors don't understand that. I pity them.

true. I just bought a book that he recommended to read which helped him through certain things! listening to his uncensored instagram ramblings is actually hypnotising and kind of glad now that he left as he did or we may not have had the chance to see them if he was wrapped up in his BB crown he would have most likely won. everything happens for a reason etc :hee:

[deanmontague]

Love it how Lewis is painted as a mother Theresa:laugh:
The most negative person in the house loves all people? Don't make me laugh
Good riddance to bad rubbish!
Stockton branch of EDL has found its new spokesman

Most certainly isn't mother teresa, and has not vouched to love 'all people', instead that he is a loving person and tries to seek the beauty in people - however has been open about his existential depression on his instagram and how he despairs at society so in turns makes him resent the way most people carry themselves. It's a catch 22 situation and I sympathise completely with how he feels/treats people.

[Vanessa]

true. I just bought a book that he recommended to read which helped him through certain things! listening to his uncensored instagram ramblings is actually hypnotising and kind of glad now that he left as he did or we may not have had the chance to see them if he was wrapped up in his BB crown he would have most likely won. everything happens for a reason etc :hee:
And he's in London now :dance:

[millyrose]

Where

[Jules82]

true. I just bought a book that he recommended to read which helped him through certain things! listening to his uncensored instagram ramblings is actually hypnotising and kind of glad now that he left as he did or we may not have had the chance to see them if he was wrapped up in his BB crown he would have most likely won. everything happens for a reason etc :hee:

Did you really buy the book, I am thinking of it, I have many of the same and have enjoyed the contents. Was it the one displayed?

I agree with you re the money and winning, the instagram was brilliant, he looked really nervous to begin with but I do believe he settled down a bit. It was a brave thing to do in the circumstances but I feel it will do him nothing but good. So many writing to him, the trolls he handled very well. Loved mum in the background..

I listened to half last evening and the rest this morning, he still said it as it is in his eyes, he was still himself. Good luck to him..

[Jules82]

Most certainly isn't mother teresa, and has not vouched to love 'all people', instead that he is a loving person and tries to seek the beauty in people - however has been open about his existential depression on his instagram and how he despairs at society so in turns makes him resent the way most people carry themselves. It's a catch 22 situation and I sympathise completely with how he feels/treats people.

He also knows his own faults which many people do not ...

[Jules82]

I don't remember them airing Biggins comments either. :suspect:

Nor me....:wavey:

[Amy Jade]

I don't remember Biggin's comments being aired either.

But he was favourite to win when he went because I remember people being quite happy the obvious winner was gone. I also remember nobody really defended him but as GoldHeart mentioned he and Lewis are physically very different :suspect:

[Kazanne]

If I recall, Biggins was on a lot of the morning shows etc explaining what he said,so it was no secret and he also didn't mean any offence.He made a comment about Nazi concentration camps and AIDS .

[deanmontague]

Did you really buy the book, I am thinking of it, I have many of the same and have enjoyed the contents. Was it the one displayed?

I agree with you re the money and winning, the instagram was brilliant, he looked really nervous to begin with but I do believe he settled down a bit. It was a brave thing to do in the circumstances but I feel it will do him nothing but good. So many writing to him, the trolls he handled very well. Loved mum in the background..

I listened to half last evening and the rest this morning, he still said it as it is in his eyes, he was still himself. Good luck to him..

'ask and it is given' by Esther and Jerry Hicks, he spoke highly of it and i'm skeptical of self-help books but I thought i'd give it a go

[GoldHeart]

I don't remember Biggin's comments being aired either.

But he was favourite to win when he went because I remember people being quite happy the obvious winner was gone. I also remember nobody really defended him but as GoldHeart mentioned he and Lewis are physically very different :suspect:

I think that's mostly the reason why the reaction is different :whistle: .
Yes other factors play apart like the fact that Biggins was a celebrity , and he didn't get thrown out a week before the final etc . But looks play apart aswell :rolleyes: .

[bots]

no-one has spelt out the real reason yet

- he was a prize tit

[Jake.]

Biggins’ comments to Katie regarding the concentration camps were not aired. His comments about AIDS/bisexuals were.

[Cherie]

Biggins’ comments to Katie regarding the concentration camps were not aired. His comments about AIDS/bisexuals were.

.

His 'joke' about the showers was not aired, he spoke about it on Good Morning

[Rob!]

Biggins’ comments to Katie regarding the concentration camps were not aired. His comments about AIDS/bisexuals were.

Gotta love those priorities.

[Cherie]

no-one has spelt out the real reason yet

- he was a prize tit

:joker:

[ThriceShy]

I'm wondering if the knee jerk reaction to this is because of the Pittsburgh shooting, which I think happened the same day.

The guy said "all jews must die" while he shot 11 of them dead. Lewis didn't know this but he couldn't have picked a worse time to do a piss poor impression of Adolf.