Antiques shop is slammed as 'outdated and offensive' for selling 'N**ger money banks'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Antiques shop is slammed as 'outdated and offensive'
for selling 'N**ger money banks' and golliwogs playing
musical instruments


The items were on display in glass cabinets in Memories Antiques, Ramsbottom,
Anti-racism charity Hope not Hope said they were 'outmoded' and 'appalling'
Shopper John Pearce said he understood why people would find items offensive
Memories Antiques said the money banks have now been removed from sale


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An antiques shop has been slammed after selling an 'appalling' haul of racist memorabilia including 'N****R
money banks' and golliwogs playing musical instruments.

The items include a pair of what are described
on their £65 price tags as 'N**GER money banks'
and the reviled children's book The Story Of Little Black S*mbo for £23.

Also on display are ceramic figures of golliwogs
playing musical instruments for £12 each and
another offensively caricature-esque money bank of 'Smilin' Sam From Alabam' for £52.

The final 'offensive' items are three sets of eight
golliwogs playing musical instruments - for £10 each.

The collectables are openly displayed in glass
cabinets in Memories Antiques in the centre of
the Greater Manchester market town of Ramsbottom.

A spokesperson for anti-racism charity
Hope not Hate said: 'This is outdated, outmoded and offensive.
We're well into the 21st century, not the early 20th.

'It's appalling to use the N-word to describe anything.

'It seems on the face of it pretty amazing that
somebody in this day and age is still selling these
things, particularly with that kind of terminology.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6379769/Antiques-shop-slammed-outdated-offensive-selling-N-r-money-banks.html

What do you think?

I have sold 2 of these thngs in the past
(not using the terms here i may add)
and these still come up at auction now and then (again the auctioneer would term them now as "ethnic")

By the way if you wnat to get an idea about the
charity mentioned in the article just have a look at their website to get a wee idea at what their agenda is

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/

:skull:

[Matthew.]

yeah that’s not on tbh

[bots]

It's going to be outdated given these are antiques, its in the definition of the word.

I don't think we should be destroying or wiping out these things. To me it highlights the progress that has been made since those times, and it's a good reminder of how things used to be.

[arista]

feck me £65
over priced


There shop is in Greater Manchester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsbottom

will it get set on Fire???????????????????

[arista]

yeah that’s not on tbh

What do you want done with those old items then?

[Niamh.]

It's going to be outdated given these are antiques, its in the definition of the word.

I don't think we should be destroying or wiping out these things. To me it highlights the progress that has been made since those times, and it's a good reminder of how things used to be.

I think it's easy to say that as a white person as well though, when these antiques are basically mocking black people

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it's easy to say that as a white person as well though, when these antiques are basically mocking black people

not now its isnt and back then I doubt that was the intention - it was a novelty item like a black face would have been to 99.99% people

It was made to sell

[Niamh.]

not now its isnt and back then I doubt that was the intention - it was a novelty item like a black face would have been to 99.99% people

It was made to sell

Sure Jan

[Matthew.]

What do you want done with those old items then?

idk, not really the point though is it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure Jan

well if it wasnt it was a rather expensive and elaborate way to be racist when racism wasnt even a thing

[arista]

idk, not really the point though is it


Do you want to ban them.
Then the price could triple

[Twosugars]

well if it wasnt it was a rather expensive and elaborate way to be racist when racism wasnt even a thing

not Smiling Sam from Alabam :rolleyes:

racism has always been a thing, just back then it was more "natural" hence not seen as a problem
a bit like homos seens as perverts, perfectly natural back then

[Matthew.]

Do you want to ban them.
Then the price could triple

just throw them out

[user104658]

It's going to be outdated given these are antiques, its in the definition of the word.

I don't think we should be destroying or wiping out these things. To me it highlights the progress that has been made since those times, and it's a good reminder of how things used to be.I agree about it being dangerous to attempt to erase the past but these belong in a museum with proper educational context attached; not still out being bought and sold privately.

[arista]

just throw them out


That's no good
someone will go through his Rubbish and
Sale it at a Higher price (rare item)

[Tom4784]

It's not right to sell them like they are every day items. They have historical value and there's a lesson to be learned from them but to sell them like they are some sort of curio is grotesque.

[arista]

It's not right to sell them like they are every day items. They have historical value and there's a lesson to be learned from them but to sell them like they are some sort of curio is grotesque.


Yes Clever how the Shop owner
puts them in the middle of normal buying items.


Must be alot of the Robertson's Jam Jar fella
pottery small bits - only £12 EACH


Sign Of The Times

[armand.kay]

well if it wasnt it was a rather expensive and elaborate way to be racist when racism wasnt even a thing

when did you become a full time troll account? because this is- whew!!!!

[armand.kay]

It's not right to sell them like they are every day items. They have historical value and there's a lesson to be learned from them but to sell them like they are some sort of curio is grotesque.

I agree although I would probably still side-eye the shop keepers for trying to make money off of items like this... how did they even aquire them in the first place what made them think 'this is just what the store needs' loool

[Mokka]

Wait... was there a time racism wasn't a "thing"
What kind of utopia era did I miss hearing about.

[Scarlett.]

Seems strange they'd have multiple items like this, if it was just one it probably wouldnt have been as big of a deal as it is

[arista]

Seems strange they'd have multiple items like this, if it was just one it probably wouldnt have been as big of a deal as it is


They may sell them all
now, as he has full ads for his shop
on the DM site

[Matthew.]

That's no good
someone will go through his Rubbish and
Sale it at a Higher price (rare item)

take it home and throw it away in their own bin then

[Moniqua]

I think it's easy to say that as a white person as well though, when these antiques are basically mocking black people

:clap1:

[TomC]

It's not right to sell them like they are every day items. They have historical value and there's a lesson to be learned from them but to sell them like they are some sort of curio is grotesque.

.

Clearly they should go to some sort of museum, the shopowner shouldn't be trying to make money off racist artefacts

[Livia]

I know a few people who collect Nazi memorabilia. They're collectors, not Nazis.

They're period pieces. If someone is interested in the era that these black figures come from, I don't see that it necessarily makes them racist to want to own them. Wouldn't want them in my house though.

[Oliver_W]

An antique shop selling outdated things - whatever next?!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seems strange they'd have multiple items like this, if it was just one it probably wouldnt have been as big of a deal as it is

may have been a job lot at auction, the auction house often stick items together or it could have been in a box of odds from a dead persons estate, the shop owner could have bought the box because it had a vase in it he liked - you cnat just win tjhe lot and hand pick the vase out you have to take the box

[Crimson Dynamo]

An antique shop selling outdated things - whatever next?!

im actually not sure many of the younger members have ever been into an antiques shop in their life?

[user104658]

I know a few people who collect Nazi memorabilia. They're collectors, not Nazis.

They're period pieces. If someone is interested in the era that these black figures come from, I don't see that it necessarily makes them racist to want to own them. Wouldn't want them in my house though.

Hmmmm if they collect general WW2 memorabilia then that's different, or even German military memorabilia. If they SPECIFICALLY collect Nazi-related items I'd have some questions tbqfh, as I'd be tempted to say that's an "enthusiast" not a collector.

Likewise with some of the items in this thread (the Alabama one for instance), if someone wanted it as part of a collection of American / colonial items then that seems reasonable. If they simply have a massive collection of black caricatures, gollywogs and pictures of people with blackface... well... there's something else going on there isn't there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hmmmm if they collect general WW2 memorabilia then that's different, or even German military memorabilia. If they SPECIFICALLY collect Nazi-related items I'd have some questions tbqfh, as I'd be tempted to say that's an "enthusiast" not a collector.

Likewise with some of the items in this thread (the Alabama one for instance), if someone wanted it as part of a collection of American / colonial items then that seems reasonable. If they simply have a massive collection of black caricatures, gollywogs and pictures of people with blackface... well... there's something else going on there isn't there.

If i went to my local auction tomorrow with a German Luger, bayonette and a few medals Id have my hand bitten off for them in the car park with wads of folding being pressed into my hand.

Lots of collectors

[user104658]

If i went to my local auction tomorrow with a German Luger, bayonette and a few medals Id have my hand bitten off for them in the car park with wads of folding being pressed into my hand.

Lots of collectors

All of which is German military memorabilia LT... not Nazi. I'm going to assume you know that there's a difference.

[thesheriff443]

I know a few people who collect Nazi memorabilia. They're collectors, not Nazis.

They're period pieces. If someone is interested in the era that these black figures come from, I don't see that it necessarily makes them racist to want to own them. Wouldn't want them in my house though.

This, I’d rather have these pieces then animal heads on a wall

[Alf]

How cute, I want one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All of which is German military memorabilia LT... not Nazi. I'm going to assume you know that there's a difference.

I do and if it has a swastika or an SS emblem then the demand goes up.

lots of collectors

cant sell it in the auction house mind (or on ebay)

[smudgie]

You can buy a new golly in many a gift shop up here.:shrug:

[arista]

How cute, I want one.


You Devil

£65 is way too much , though

[Twosugars]

I want a caricature of a white closet racist, where do I look? LT any ideas?

[Twosugars]

if Africans were vindictive they could start selling white colonial caricatures
say toilet brushes and some such

[Alf]

I want a caricature of a white closet racist, where do I look? LT any ideas?Turn your TV on, they seem to find loads.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I want a caricature of a white closet racist, where do I look? LT any ideas?

I presume you want it about 20 years old, male and wearing underpants only?


:skull:

[Twosugars]

I presume you want it about 20 years old, male and wearing underpants only?


:skull:

nah, your standard variety of an old, angry bigot will do :D

[arista]

if Africans were vindictive they could start selling white colonial caricatures
say toilet brushes and some such


I would buy one

[Scarlett.]

I want a caricature of a white closet racist

Found one!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/05/article-2057902-0EABB52D00000578-211_634x745.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Found one!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/05/article-2057902-0EABB52D00000578-211_634x745.jpg

er that is brown

[arista]

er that is brown


No it is Copper

[Redway]

Wait... was there a time racism wasn't a "thing"
What kind of utopia era did I miss hearing about.

The type that only exists in his head

[Twosugars]

y'know who I feel especially sorry for? straight white male bigots ;)
they're not allowed to feel superior to people of colour, homosexuals, women..
I mean they're running out of people they can feel superior to by the mere fact they're born straight, white and male
no wonder they're bitter :D

[arista]

y'know who I feel especially sorry for? straight white male bigots ;)
they're not allowed to feel superior to people of colour, homosexuals, women..
I mean they're running out of people they can feel superior to by the mere fact they're born straight, white and male
no wonder they're bitter :D


Jordan B. Peterson.
you need his book.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it is Copper

They get younger every year

[Crimson Dynamo]

y'know who I feel especially sorry for? straight white male bigots ;)
they're not allowed to feel superior to people of colour, homosexuals, women..
I mean they're running out of people they can feel superior to by the mere fact they're born straight, white and male
no wonder they're bitter :D

what on earth has that to do with this thread?



please address the topic, you can fish for likes on the chat thread if your feel the urge

[Scarlett.]

Jordan B. Peterson.
you need his book.

Nobody needs that overstuffed egotists book.

[arista]

Nobody needs that overstuffed egotists book.


It is not
he has saved thousands of young men

[Redway]

I want a caricature of a white closet racist, where do I look? LT any ideas?

How cute, I want one.

.

Even though his racism isn’t closeted in the least.

[Twosugars]

Jordan B. Peterson.
you need his book.

don't think so, he's a revisionist dressed up as defender of masculinity

what we need is a new order with equality for all, men are not and should not feel threatened by that

not surprised he's made a career, him and the whole trump/alt-right surge is all about holding on to the old privileges and superior status for white men

the societal change will continue, bc I don't believe it's driven by the left but it's a natural progression

[Twosugars]

what on earth has that to do with this thread?



please address the topic, you can fish for likes on the chat thread if your feel the urge

why so antagonistic? it wasn't aimed at you, y'know

'twas an observation prompted by your thread
sorreh if you feel it's offtopic
kiss of peace, LT :kiss:

[arista]

don't think so, he's a revisionist dressed up as defender of masculinity

what we need is a new order with equality for all, men are not and should not feel threatened by that

not surprised he's made a career, him and the whole trump/alt-right surge is all about holding on to the old privileges and superior status for white men

the societal change will continue, bc I don't believe it's driven by the left but it's a natural progression


Sure
the Ch4HD news interview on YouTubeHD
in full is Utter Bliss.



He is not Alt Right
that was growing years before him.

[Twosugars]

Arista, afraid we have to agree to disagree
the fact he got the better of the lovely Kathy Newman is neither here or there

[Alf]

.

Even though his racism isn’t closeted in the least.I'm not racist, I admire lots of people of different race from me and have many friends too, and I don't believe any race is superior in general.

A racist wouldn't think or say that..

[arista]

Arista, afraid we have to agree to disagree
the fact he got the better of the lovely Kathy Newman is neither here or there

Sure
But its a fair talk
Honest.

[hijaxers]

I agree about it being dangerous to attempt to erase the past but these belong in a museum with proper educational context attached; not still out being bought and sold privately.

There's no end of them in auctions there always has been i'm afraid - you can't cancel history .

[arista]

There's no end of them in auctions there always has been i'm afraid - you can't cancel history .

Except in China

[Marsh.]

not now its isnt and back then I doubt that was the intention - it was a novelty item like a black face would have been to 99.99% people

It was made to sell

"I doubt that was the intention"

What a convincing argument about what "maybe" was intended back then despite all of the racism we know went and still goes on.

It was made to sell. Yes, and what? What bearing does that have on whether it's racist or not?

[Marsh.]

It's going to be outdated given these are antiques, its in the definition of the word.

I don't think we should be destroying or wiping out these things. To me it highlights the progress that has been made since those times, and it's a good reminder of how things used to be.

There's a difference between erasing the past and moving on from selling novelty "n" items IMO.

[montblanc]

I think it's easy to say that as a white person as well though, when these antiques are basically mocking black people

:clap1:

[Livia]

All of which is German military memorabilia LT... not Nazi. I'm going to assume you know that there's a difference.

If it's German and military and dates between 1934 and 1945, it's Nazi.

[Withano]

feck me £65
over priced


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[Marsh.]

Depends entirely what this "Nazi memorabilia" entails.

It's also a private home and a public shop.

These things are on sale, advertised as "N*****". Clearly not acceptable.

[Livia]

Depends entirely what this "Nazi memorabilia" entails.

It's also a private home and a public shop.

These things are on sale, advertised as "N*****". Clearly not acceptable.


Who are any of us to judge what other people collect. One of my Dad's friends collects Nazi uniform insignia and cap badges. The other collects anything to do with the Nazi party. I can assure you that neither of those people are Nazis. It's Just like people collecting Roman artefacts... although the Romans slaughtered millions. Who should we run our collections past who can judge whether we're a racist or not?