Ex-London schoolgirl, 19, who ran away to join ISIS now wants to come home to the UK

[arista]

[A schoolgirl who fled Britain to join
Islamic State has been found
heavily pregnant in a refugee camp.
Shamima Begum was just 15 when she
and two classmates
travelled to Syria in February 2015.
She described witnessing beheadings, bombings
and the loss of her two infant children
as the caliphate fell apart around her.
However the 19-year-old says she
does not regret joining the
terror group – but now wants to come home.]

https://news.sky.com/story/i-dont-regret-it-british-is-schoolgirl-wants-to-return-to-uk-for-her-baby-11636715


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6702719/Ex-London-schoolgirl-19-fled-join-ISIS-two-friends-flees-nine-months-pregnant.html

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Of Course she wants to return
to the Fun times in England.
But under Law she must go to Jail.

[Liam-]

Leave her over there, she made her bed now let her lay in it.

[LaLaLand]

Tough.

[Oliver_W]

A schoolgirl who fled London aged 15 to join ISIS has been found heavily pregnant in a refugee camp and said: 'I don't regret coming here

In an extraordinary interview with The Times she said: 'I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn’t faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.


Oh gee, should she be allowed back, this is such a tough question!!!

Once her baby is born, s/he should be brought back to the UK and given to a deserving, normal, loving family, and she should be left to lie in the bed she made.

[Northern Monkey]

Soz darling,We Don’t do severed heads in this country

[Cherie]

She does not regret joining the terror group? that's an incredible thing to say when you want to come home, also one of the girls who went with her was killed in an airstrike so an incredible insensitive thing to say given how her family will be feeling.

[arista]

She does not regret joining the terror group? that's an incredible thing to say when you want to come home, also one of the girls who went with her was killed in an airstrike so an incredible insensitive thing to say given how her family will be feeling.



Yes she needs to say she regrets it all.

[Oliver_W]

She does not regret joining the terror group? that's an incredible thing to say when you want to come home, also one of the girls who went with her was killed in an airstrike so an incredible insensitive thing to say given how her family will be feeling.

Yeah it doesn't seem to be "oh my god, what have I done, please help", but "I want a cushy life in a council flat at the taxpayers' expense"

Even if she is allowed back without being detained, she certainly shouldn't be allowed to raise the child.

[Beso]

Depends if she fought or not I guess...if she didn't and was only their to produce future fighters then I see her more as a victim than anything else so would not mind her coming back into the care of the establishment.

[joeysteele]

On balance, I think not as to returning, sorry.

[Oliver_W]

Depends if she fought or not I guess...if she didn't and was only their to produce future fighters then I see her more as a victim than anything else so would not mind her coming back into the care of the establishment.

Even then, she'd probably raise her baby to either be a fighter for islam, or a baby making machine

[Cherie]

Depends if she fought or not I guess...if she didn't and was only their to produce future fighters then I see her more as a victim than anything else so would not mind her coming back into the care of the establishment.

Whether she fought her not is immaterial that is like saying the get away driver in a bank robbery had nothing to do with the robbery as he didn't enter the premises, I find her attitude problematic, no remorse, just get me home now Im pregnant and ISIS have more or less fallen and a refugee camp is not the place for me, would she want to come home if that were not the case is the question

[Livia]

The thing that worries me is that she shows no remorse. No return for terrorist.

[Cal.]

This bitch expects me to feel sorry for her? I don’t!

[Strictly Jake]

Knowing how soft and tolerating this country can be at times I'm pretty sure they are gonna let her back but they shouldn't especially the fact she has no regrets that still shows her stayed of mind.

I know it was only a TV program but remember when David Budd felt sympathetic towards the woman on the train but she was behind it all along that's a sad reflection of what people on this country do they will feel sorry for her because she is a pregnant woman but she has a dangerous mind

[Crimson Dynamo]

this isnt your home luv, fck off

[Kazanne]

She does not regret joining the terror group? that's an incredible thing to say when you want to come home, also one of the girls who went with her was killed in an airstrike so an incredible insensitive thing to say given how her family will be feeling.

I agree Cherie,the fact that she is not remorseful at all warrants her staying where she thought was better,she probably still does ,just wants the comforts of giving birth here,no thanks,she also lost two previous children through air strikes apparently,you live by the sword ,you die by the sword.

[user104658]

If she's a British citizen then she's our responsibility, is really the be all and end all of the discussion over whether or not she should be brought back into the UK. Countries can't just start saying "not our problem" and exiling. Why would anywhere else want her, either? So if she's dangerous / guilty and needs locked up, so be it, but if she's British then it's Britain that has to provide the cell I'm afraid.

[joeysteele]

The thing that worries me is that she shows no remorse. No return for terrorist.

That's what tipped the balance for me to say no too.
Absolutely right.

[Niamh.]

I think if she was actually remorseful and because she was so young when she went, It could be beneficial to have her work for the other side and speak out to other impressionable young people about the reality of that kind of life however it seems like she's not remorseful at all so zero sympathy there at all

[Jordan.]

In 2018 security Minister Ben Wallace told MPs 400 Britons who travelled to join ISIS returned home - but only one in ten were put in the dock.

Yikes. She'll no doubt get her wish and a comfortable return then.

[MTVN]

If she's a British citizen then she's our responsibility, is really the be all and end all of the discussion over whether or not she should be brought back into the UK. Countries can't just start saying "not our problem" and exiling. Why would anywhere else want her, either? So if she's dangerous / guilty and needs locked up, so be it, but if she's British then it's Britain that has to provide the cell I'm afraid.

Yeah I kinda take this view as well. I'd rather she didn't return but I think we have a responsibility as she is our citizen. If someone from another country came over here to support terrorism and then their home country were like: 'nah we don't want them back, they can stay with you' then everybody would be raging. I think she should serve some long jail time though, she clearly still has a lot of affection for 'the caliphate' and would be happy enough there if they weren't on the verge of defeat

[Niamh.]

Yikes. She'll no doubt get her wish and a comfortable return then.

I guess if you're British they have to take you back? But how they faced no consequences is crazy

[Nicky91]

If she's a British citizen then she's our responsibility, is really the be all and end all of the discussion over whether or not she should be brought back into the UK. Countries can't just start saying "not our problem" and exiling. Why would anywhere else want her, either? So if she's dangerous / guilty and needs locked up, so be it, but if she's British then it's Britain that has to provide the cell I'm afraid.

yes true, but still if she truly feels scared there and wants to come back to UK for safety then i would let her back in

but if she's changed too much for the worse (i mean become more radical extremistic after her stay at ISIS) then i would say take her in but lock her up

[Glenn.]

Let her and her unborn suicide bomb rot tbh

[Livia]

If she's a British citizen then she's our responsibility, is really the be all and end all of the discussion over whether or not she should be brought back into the UK. Countries can't just start saying "not our problem" and exiling. Why would anywhere else want her, either? So if she's dangerous / guilty and needs locked up, so be it, but if she's British then it's Britain that has to provide the cell I'm afraid.

Actually, she can deprived of her citizenship, whether she's naturalised or born here. Section 402 of the British Nationality Act 1981 says quite clearly that someone can be deprived of their citizenship of it's conducive to the public good.

They can also be left to face trial in the country they fled to, or they can be tried for war crimes in the International Criminal Court, although I don't think that would apply in this case.

[user104658]

Actually, she can deprived of her citizenship, whether she's naturalised or born here. Section 402 of the British Nationality Act 1981 says quite clearly that someone can be deprived of their citizenship of it's conducive to the public good.

They can also be left to face trial in the country they fled to, or they can be tried for war crimes in the International Criminal Court, although I don't think that would apply in this case.

I was thinking more along the lines of her being our moral responsibility rather than specifically a legal responsibility. If she was raised in the UK and ended up an extremist then IMO, while it is mainly the responsibility of her immediate family and those around her, there certainly isn't a country MORE responsible for it than the one she grew up in. If we don't want her in the UK, it's presumably because we think she's potentially a risk, and what does it say about us if we go down the route of "Well we think she's a risk so we're OK with her being out there in the world being a risk to everyone else; just so long as it isn't here!"

I suppose it's like... would you be happy if an extremist born and raised in the US was in the UK, saying they wanted to leave, but the US was like "Heck no we're not having them back, you can sort it out over there."

[Beso]

That's what tipped the balance for me to say no too.
Absolutely right.

But do we know if she would have been in danger if she did denounce Isis?

[Crimson Dynamo]

hopefully she will be brought back, assessed and jailed for her crime

[arista]

Let her and her unborn suicide bomb rot tbh


She is British.


She is stuck in that Syria Camp
There is no British Consul at that wrecked nation.
So she must get to a Nation that has
a British Consul,

[Livia]

I was thinking more along the lines of her being our moral responsibility rather than specifically a legal responsibility. If she was raised in the UK and ended up an extremist then IMO, while it is mainly the responsibility of her immediate family and those around her, there certainly isn't a country MORE responsible for it than the one she grew up in. If we don't want her in the UK, it's presumably because we think she's potentially a risk, and what does it say about us if we go down the route of "Well we think she's a risk so we're OK with her being out there in the world being a risk to everyone else; just so long as it isn't here!"

I suppose it's like... would you be happy if an extremist born and raised in the US was in the UK, saying they wanted to leave, but the US was like "Heck no we're not having them back, you can sort it out over there."

If we're not looking at the legal implications, but looking at it morally... she's not denounced IS, she doesn't regret joining them, she said seeing decapitated heads in a bin "did not faze her"... She has shown no remorse and expects us to take her back because she's pregnant. I'd say our moral responsibility to the wider British public means that will not happen. Also, if she does come back, they will have to "radicalise" her, she'd have to be kept under surveillance... denying her re-entry sets a precedent for anyone else thinking of joining a terrorist organisation who is at war with this country and imagining they can just come back here.

Regarding the last paragraph, I wouldn't be happy that we had to feed and clothe the American, who would be in a British prison for this scenario I imagine, but I'd understand the right of the USA to strip someone of their citizenship and would expect a quid pro quo from the US.

[Livia]

She is British.


She is stuck in that Syria Camp
There is no British Consul at that wrecked nation.
So she must get to a Nation that has
a British Consul,

She is British... at the moment. Any minute now hopefully she'll be stateless and/or in prison.

[Oliver_W]

I was thinking more along the lines of her being our moral responsibility rather than specifically a legal responsibility.

Why should we have any moral responsibility for her?

[Tom4784]

It's a difficult one, really. She was obviously radicalised young and indoctrinated but the lack of remorse is concerning. I'd say let her come back, have her face charges for crimes she's committed and hopefully in the process de-radicalise her so that her and her children may have a future. If that doesn't work then keep her locked up for as long as possible and hopefully the children's UK family can insure that history doesn't repeat itself when it comes to the next generation.

I'm reluctant to condemn her children for her errors in judgement.

[arista]

It's a difficult one, really. She was obviously radicalised young and indoctrinated but the lack of remorse is concerning. I'd say let her come back, have her face charges for crimes she's committed and hopefully in the process de-radicalise her so that her and her children may have a future. If that doesn't work then keep her locked up for as long as possible and hopefully the children's UK family can insure that history doesn't repeat itself when it comes to the next generation.

I'm reluctant to condemn her children for her errors in judgement.

She has to leave Syria
first

[Niamh.]

Why should we have any moral responsibility for her?

I would imagine the "moral responsibility" is as a country rather than morally towards that girl

[Northern Monkey]

If she committed crimes in Syria then surely she should face trial there.Hand her to the Syrian government.

[bots]

i have no particular issue with her facing her crimes here. At a minimum she will be on a watch list for the rest of her life and it stops her from being a modern day martyr which is clearly the angle she is going for.

[arista]

If she committed crimes in Syria then surely she should face trial there.Hand her to the Syrian government.



She does not trust them
and wants to return to London.

No one can prove anything
She left in after lust type Videos from Isis

[Glenn.]

She is British.


She is stuck in that Syria Camp
There is no British Consul at that wrecked nation.
So she must get to a Nation that has
a British Consul,

And holds none of our values.

Ok yeh the baby is at no fault. Let it slop out of her and bring that back. She can literally rot

[user104658]

Why should we have any moral responsibility for her?

Because she's a British citizen and was clearly radicalised in Britain. We have far more responsibility for her than any OTHER country does, so it's morally questionable to say "lol she's ur problem now, we don't want her here."

Again this is probably being confused with "her rights". I'm saying if she's a dangerous individual, she's our dangerous individual, and it's the UK's responsibility to make sure she's monitored. Not anyone else's. It's not OK to pretend that everything is fine so long as she's off "being dangerous overseas" and not on British soil.

Honestly, the double standards are staggering in Britain.

"Here's a dangerous individual living in Britain but born and raised elsewhere. Send him back there!!

...oh there's a dangerous individual born and raised in THIS country living over there? Keep them! Don't send them here!!"

At some point you have to pick a lane :shrug:.

[Beso]

Good points ts about her being radicalised here...a failing by the British authorities on allowing this to happen to her on our soil to me means we failed her....we allowed this to happen...therefore we need to see what can be done for her and especially her unborn child.

[Denver]

Am I the only one thinking it's a plan to make an attack on Brotian

[arista]

The Home Office
has said they are not going out to get her back.
So she must
Get back on her own.

Her dad claims its not her fault
https://news.sky.com/story/father-of-is-bride-amira-abase-girls-should-be-forgiven-11637331

[arista]

Am I the only one thinking it's a plan to make an attack on Britain


Not so far


Isis Sleeper cells are in the UK already

[Oliver_W]

Am I the only one thinking it's a plan to make an attack on Brotian

Who's Brotian?

[arista]

Who's Brotian?


Typo

[Livia]

If we allowed her back she'd have to be deradicalized and then she'd be under surveillance. All those resources, when we're already overstretched dealing with her fellow IS supporters. It's not good enough to say she's British and we must take her back. We really don't have to. There is a line and she crossed it, and she said herself that she doesn't regret it.

I wonder if her Dutch husband will be welcomed home?

[arista]

If we allowed her back she'd have to be deradicalized and then she'd be under surveillance. All those resources, when we're already overstretched dealing with her fellow IS supporters. It's not good enough to say she's British and we must take her back. We really don't have to. There is a line and she crossed it, and she said herself that she doesn't regret it.

I wonder if her Dutch husband will be welcomed home?


Is he Alive?

[Oliver_W]

If we allowed her back she'd have to be deradicalized and then she'd be under surveillance. All those resources, when we're already overstretched dealing with her fellow IS supporters. It's not good enough to say she's British and we must take her back. We really don't have to. There is a line and she crossed it, and she said herself that she doesn't regret it.

I wonder if her Dutch husband will be welcomed home?
Exactly, it would be less costly and safer to just keep her away.

[arista]

The School she was at
Has nothing to say.

Ref : ITV1HD London News

Well it was online feed
that hooked her

[Beso]

This story is so interesting.

This girl was a child when she left..one could say a groomed child.

I am beginning to feel so much sympathy for her and her plight....this girl, is still just that. A young girl that will have seen so much brutality as her mind and brain continues to age during her teens...so people say she has no regrets, no sorrow or does not show remorse....


Perhaps after 5 years she has been dehuminised by the autrocities or mere opression she may have witnessed at such a young age and for such a long time....her brain must have went into spasm to be honest...leaving here and her cosy duvet....to there and God knows what....


Also her poor parents, they must be distraught. They will have believed their daughter who to them just disappeared...is actually alive...

Get her home and give her help, then see where her heads at.

[Daniel-X]

Let her die

[UserSince2005]

I’m sorry but brexit means brexit!

[MTVN]

This story is so interesting.

This girl was a child when she left..one could say a groomed child.

I am beginning to feel so much sympathy for her and her plight....this girl, is still just that. A young girl that will have seen so much brutality as her mind and brain continues to age during her teens...so people say she has no regrets, no sorrow or does not show remorse....


Perhaps after 5 years she has been dehuminised by the autrocities or mere opression she may have witnessed at such a young age and for such a long time....her brain must have went into spasm to be honest...leaving here and her cosy duvet....to there and God knows what....


Also her poor parents, they must be distraught. They will have believed their daughter who to them just disappeared...is actually alive...

Get her home and give her help, then see where her heads at.

But she said seeing a severed head for the first time didn't faze her, she said life there was just as she expected, she said she has no regrets about going there. Ok she was groomed at 15 but it's now four years later, she's an adult and despite witnessing all sorts of terrible things she hasn't changed her view. She has no remorse and takes no responsibility for the fact she helped the cause of one of the most barbaric regimes in history.

[arista]

Let her die

And the Baby
that is due?

[Glenn.]

Let her die

Preach it

[LaLaLand]

If they let her back in it just shows what an absolute laughing stock of a nation we really are. Just nuke us.

[Beso]

But she said seeing a severed head for the first time didn't faze her, she said life there was just as she expected, she said she has no regrets about going there. Ok she was groomed at 15 but it's now four years later, she's an adult and despite witnessing all sorts of terrible things she hasn't changed her view. She has no remorse and takes no responsibility for the fact she helped the cause of one of the most barbaric regimes in history.

I imagine its pretty easy to forget your feelings in the past after five years of that ****e...but your opinion is part of the fascination of this case.



Edit...we are all part of one of the most barbaric regimes of all time...not that long ago either in the scale of things.

[empire]

the other school girl that was killed in a russian airstrike in raqqa, I wish the other two where standing there with her so I would award the pilot for doing it, they bring these people back and give them a cushy life like they are heroes when are ex armed forces are living in the streets in the cold weather, it makes me sick the way this country is now.

[Beso]

They should all be helped!

[Glenn.]

Why should they?

[user104658]

Exactly, it would be less costly and safer to just keep her away.For us. Not for whichever country ends up having to deal with our citizen for us. That's why it's immoral... We're just passing the buck to another country, and probably one with far fewer resources than we have.

Again no one has offered an answer to the double standard on this?

Do you believe that she is not our responsibility and its fair to say she must stay where she is, or do you believe that we should be able to deport extremists in Britain back to their own countries? You can't possibly believe that foreign extremists in Britain should be sent back to their country of origin... But British extremists in foreign countries shouldn't be sent back to Britain? Talk about having your cake and eating it too...

"Do you think you should keep our extremists in the UK?"

"No we're sending them back to you!"

"OK fair enough, we'll send back the British extremists we have here"

"Nah. You're keeping them too."

"Oh... Well then we don't want the ones from here back either?"

"No you're having both I'm afraid, it's the only safe choice"

[Beso]

Why should they?

Imo both are suffering.

[Beso]

For us. Not for whichever country ends up having to deal with our citizen for us. That's why it's immoral... We're just passing the buck to another country, and probably one with far fewer resources than we have.

Again no one has offered an answer to the double standard on this?

Do you believe that she is not our responsibility and its fair to say she must stay where she is, or do you believe that we should be able to deport extremists in Britain back to their own countries? You can't possibly believe that foreign extremists in Britain should be sent back to their country of origin... But British extremists in foreign countries shouldn't be sent back to Britain? Talk about having your cake and eating it too...

"Do you think you should keep our extremists in the UK?"

"No we're sending them back to you!"

"OK fair enough, we'll send back the British extremists we have here"

"Nah. You're keeping them too."

"Oh... Well then we don't want the ones from here back either?"

"No you're having both I'm afraid, it's the only safe choice"

And that's probably the attitude that draws them into hating us.

[Glenn.]

Imo both are suffering.

It’s self inflicted. I wouldn’t have much sympathy for someone suffering a hangover after deliberately drinking too much alcohol

[thesheriff443]

She had two more children while over there but they died of starvation and illness, the problem is,we let murders and rapists go back into society so people will stand on that argument, I’d leave her were she is.

[LaLaLand]

I'm reading comments all over saying "oh she was only a kid when she went" SHE WAS FIFTEEN YEARS OF AGE. You know full well right from wrong well before you're 15 years old. If she's old enough to travel with "her mates" across Europe, get herself smuggled into Syria and join IS then she was no "child".

"What about the baby?" - what about the endless babies/children her mob have slaughtered needlessly?

Tough **** lady. Absolute oxygen thief.

[Tom4784]

It’s self inflicted. I wouldn’t have much sympathy for someone suffering a hangover after deliberately drinking too much alcohol

Does her unborn child deserve to die for her mistakes? Do the children that get victimised and abused in IS' territories deserve it because of who their parents are?

Honestly the attitude displayed by a lot of members in this thread is disgusting. A complete lack of empathy and straight up sense from a lot of people I expected more from.

If she comes back she's not gonna have a 'cushy' life as I believe at least one member was making out, she'd likely be charged and imprisoned for a very long time and then placed on watchlists after that. She probably won't get to see her child raised and that's her own fault but her child will likely be raised in a loving environment where they won't be indoctrinated and turned into a child soldier or raised to be a radicalised baby factory. Children shouldn't suffer for their parents' sins.

Plus, as others have said, she's a British, she's our responsibility and she was radicalised here. We can't just pass the buck especially considering the people saying that would be very much for deporting her if the situation was reversed. Let her come back, throw her in prison and hopefully get some useful information out of her and let her child live a normal life.

[Beso]

And that's probably the attitude that draws them into hating us.

It’s self inflicted. I wouldn’t have much sympathy for someone suffering a hangover after deliberately drinking too much alcohol

If you were a mother of a 17yr old son you would be up on Sunday cooking him a hearty breakfast though.

[Tom4784]

I'm reading comments all over saying "oh she was only a kid when she went" SHE WAS FIFTEEN YEARS OF AGE. You know full well right from wrong well before you're 15 years old. If she's old enough to travel with "her mates" across Europe, get herself smuggled into Syria and join IS then she was no "child".

"What about the baby?" - what about the endless babies/children her mob have slaughtered needlessly?

Tough **** lady. Absolute oxygen thief.

'I'm outraged that her people have killed babies and so I'm gonna take joy in the fact that her children have been killed and her unborn baby is in danger. Those kids should have known better than to be born by a terrorist!'

Such warped sense of outrage and morality makes me despair for the future.

[Cherie]

Apparently she will have to get herself to Turkey or Iraq for the UK to help as it’s too dangerous to have a consulate in Syria

[Beso]

Hope she makes it Cherie. .I would love to see a film made on this.

[Beso]

Begum married Yago Riedijk, 27, a Dutch convert to Islam, 10 days after arriving in the city in 2015


Groomed.

[thesheriff443]

'I'm outraged that her people have killed babies and so I'm gonna take joy in the fact that her children have been killed and her unborn baby is in danger. Those kids should have known better than to be born by a terrorist!'

Such warped sense of outrage and morality makes me despair for the future.

She has no remorse! And if isis had not been beaten she would still be with her murdering husband and friends giving birth to more children to kill uk citizens given the chance.

You should be more outraged at the thousands of innocent kids dying of starvation shouldn’t you?

[arista]

Apparently she will have to get herself to Turkey or Iraq for the UK to help as it’s too dangerous to have a consulate in Syria



Yes in Secret
or She could be Kidnapped

[thesheriff443]

You can play with a baby lion, but let it live in the wild and when you meet it again it will kill you in an instance.

Elephants will purposely stamp on baby lion cubs because they know what they grow into.

Humans are not as advanced as you would like to think.

[Cherie]

Does her unborn child deserve to die for her mistakes? Do the children that get victimised and abused in IS' territories deserve it because of who their parents are?

Honestly the attitude displayed by a lot of members in this thread is disgusting. A complete lack of empathy and straight up sense from a lot of people I expected more from.

If she comes back she's not gonna have a 'cushy' life as I believe at least one member was making out, she'd likely be charged and imprisoned for a very long time and then placed on watchlists after that. She probably won't get to see her child raised and that's her own fault but her child will likely be raised in a loving environment where they won't be indoctrinated and turned into a child soldier or raised to be a radicalised baby factory. Children shouldn't suffer for their parents' sins.

Plus, as others have said, she's a British, she's our responsibility and she was radicalised here. We can't just pass the buck especially considering the people saying that would be very much for deporting her if the situation was reversed. Let her come back, throw her in prison and hopefully get some useful information out of her and let her child live a normal life.

People on the thread are reacting to her interview, not to what may or may not happen to her on her return, she personally wants to come back to live quietly with her child, she wants to return like nothing has happened and that she should just be accepted back as if she had never run off to fight against the west in the first place. It has already been established very early in the thread that only a very small percentage of returning Jihadi's ever get to see the inside of a court so I expect the same will happen with her if she does get back.

[thesheriff443]

People play on the fact she is pregnant, but what parent after having two kids die of starvation in a war zone would get pregnant again!

One that does not care, she would not care if it was your child lying dead in front of her when ISIS was in control.

[Kazanne]

I'm reading comments all over saying "oh she was only a kid when she went" SHE WAS FIFTEEN YEARS OF AGE. You know full well right from wrong well before you're 15 years old. If she's old enough to travel with "her mates" across Europe, get herself smuggled into Syria and join IS then she was no "child".

"What about the baby?" - what about the endless babies/children her mob have slaughtered needlessly?

Tough **** lady. Absolute oxygen thief.

I agree with this Jonnii, those beheaded people she so nonchalantly dismissed had babies,parents,brothers sisters etc. I time for Britain to stop molly coddling these scumbags,the NHS is stretched enough without the likes of her using them.

[Livia]

I imagine its pretty easy to forget your feelings in the past after five years of that ****e...but your opinion is part of the fascination of this case.



Edit...we are all part of one of the most barbaric regimes of all time...not that long ago either in the scale of things.


All of us? My family didn't make a penny from the Empire, and to drag that up is budding the waters of this case. The part of my family that was here during the time of Empire was living in squalor, so excuse me Parm, if I don't weep and wring my hands for this girl.

Her baby's father is Dutch. Maybe they will take her. We have no obligation to take her back. And I hope we don't,

[Northern Monkey]

They should let her have the kid then bring it to her family to raise in the UK then hand the terrorist mother over to Assad to deal with.She committed terrorism in Syria the Syrians can punish her.
If i smuggled drugs into Morocco for example i’d be locked up there.

[Livia]

Does her unborn child deserve to die for her mistakes? Do the children that get victimised and abused in IS' territories deserve it because of who their parents are?

Honestly the attitude displayed by a lot of members in this thread is disgusting. A complete lack of empathy and straight up sense from a lot of people I expected more from.

If she comes back she's not gonna have a 'cushy' life as I believe at least one member was making out, she'd likely be charged and imprisoned for a very long time and then placed on watchlists after that. She probably won't get to see her child raised and that's her own fault but her child will likely be raised in a loving environment where they won't be indoctrinated and turned into a child soldier or raised to be a radicalised baby factory. Children shouldn't suffer for their parents' sins.

Plus, as others have said, she's a British, she's our responsibility and she was radicalised here. We can't just pass the buck especially considering the people saying that would be very much for deporting her if the situation was reversed. Let her come back, throw her in prison and hopefully get some useful information out of her and let her child live a normal life.

She is British at the moment. But any minute now she will be stateless and it is perfectly within our rights to get rid. She's useless to us, she has no information to share. And when is someone going to care even a little bit about all those severed heads that did not faze her.

Legally, we do not have to take her back. And I hope we won't. The resources that would be wasted on her could be used more fruitfully somewhere else.

[Oliver_W]

Edit...we are all part of one of the most barbaric regimes of all time...not that long ago either in the scale of things.
I don't get to share the pride of the invention of the vaccine, so I won't share the shame or take the punishment of other things that happened in the past.

[chuff me dizzy]

Let her rot in Syria

[Livia]

I don't get to share the pride of the invention of the vaccine, so I won't share the shame or take the punishment of other things that happened in the past.

I agree with that. And what's more... who's to say the British Empire was one of the most barbaric regimes. More barbaric than Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Papa Doc? Franco, Pinochet... and all the other monsters who took but didn't give? Not trying to say the British Empire was a summer camp, but there were plenty of more barbaric regimes. And none of them bloomed into an organisation that does as much good as the Commonwealth. Even countries who were never under British rule choose to join.

[Beso]

Ffs we used to burn women to death or sowly drown them...we used to hang draw and quarter live peoplease. ...if that's not as barbaric as isis then what is?

[Amy Jade]

I may sound awful and I totally admit I lack any empathy in the situation for her but letting her back is dangerous af especially as she has shown no remorse.

If she should be allowed back then I hope they take the child away from her and she goes to prison and the other inmates make her life a misery.

[Amy Jade]

Sick of the people saying 'oh bless her she was 15' etc. Shall we let all teenagers get away with whatever they want? Should we just forgive James Bulgers killers also?

[user104658]

I may sound awful and I totally admit I lack any empathy in the situation for her but letting her back is dangerous af especially as she has shown no remorse.

If she should be allowed back then I hope they take the child away from her and she goes to prison and the other inmates make her life a misery.

If it's dangerous to the UK to let her back in, is it not dangerous to the country she's in currently to leave her there?

A country that has far fewer resources available to monitor her...

...a country that she isn't from.


Yes she's a dangerous criminal but she's a dangerous criminal who was born and raised in the United Kingdom, and thus, the United Kingdom should be making sure that she isn't a danger to anyone, anywhere. The attitude that it's OK for a dangerous person to be out there "so long as she isn't here" is just worrying, and a huge part of the overall problem.

There seems to be a misconception that "we are responsible for her" is about making sure that she is OK or having some sort of sympathy for her. But "we are responsible for her" isn't about protecting her, it's about protecting OTHERS from her if she is dangerous.

People see a dangerous UK citizen and want to wash their hands of it and say "Oh not our problem, she's not on UK soil so who cares what happens elsewhere". It's a mind-bogglingly irresponsible and selfish attitude for any country to have. We don't want to have to deal with dangerous people from other countries, and we don't want to deal with dangerous people from our own country? What sort of attitude is that? It's utter hypocrisy.

And I have absolutely no doubt that the same people who are all for it would have plenty to say about other countries if they were leaving their dangerous citizens in the UK and wanted nothing to do with it.

[thesheriff443]

She knowingly and freely joined a terrorist group the only way she should be allowed in this country is a convicted terrorist and should spend her life in prison, do you think she would want to come back if Isis was still in control?? No she would be breeding to make new terrorist.

[thesheriff443]

If a woman says seeing a severed head did not faze her then she is an evil bitch

[chuff me dizzy]

If a woman says seeing a severed head did not faze her then she is an evil bitch

True

[user104658]

If a woman says seeing a severed head did not faze her then she is an evil bitch

True

A British "evil bitch" who should be back in Britain being monitored by (or locked up by) Britain. Right?

If you happen to believe in "evil", anyway. I would say she's psychologically abnormal and potentially dangerous. "Evil" is, as always, fairytale stuff.

I'd also be tempted to reserve judgement on the actual quotes as, as Parm pointed out early in the thread, she cannot publicly denounce ISIS while she's in a Syrian refugee camp as she wouldn't last a day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets hope she does not get killed as the USA extinguishes the last of ISIS


:idc:

[AnnieK]

If it's dangerous to the UK to let her back in, is it not dangerous to the country she's in currently to leave her there?

A country that has far fewer resources available to monitor her...

...a country that she isn't from.


Yes she's a dangerous criminal but she's a dangerous criminal who was born and raised in the United Kingdom, and thus, the United Kingdom should be making sure that she isn't a danger to anyone, anywhere. The attitude that it's OK for a dangerous person to be out there "so long as she isn't here" is just worrying, and a huge part of the overall problem.

There seems to be a misconception that "we are responsible for her" is about making sure that she is OK or having some sort of sympathy for her. But "we are responsible for her" isn't about protecting her, it's about protecting OTHERS from her if she is dangerous.

People see a dangerous UK citizen and want to wash their hands of it and say "Oh not our problem, she's not on UK soil so who cares what happens elsewhere". It's a mind-bogglingly irresponsible and selfish attitude for any country to have. We don't want to have to deal with dangerous people from other countries, and we don't want to deal with dangerous people from our own country? What sort of attitude is that? It's utter hypocrisy.

And I have absolutely no doubt that the same people who are all for it would have plenty to say about other countries if they were leaving their dangerous citizens in the UK and wanted nothing to do with it.

Whilst I agree with what you are saying, I don't think its just a British thing to do. I am sure no civilised country's general population would open their arms and want to welcome back their home grown terrorists. Its a natural reaction from the general public to not want them anywhere near their relatively safe lives.

In my opnion, she should be brought back and locked up and try to be de-radicalised. If that is not possible she should be detained indefinitely

[hijaxers]

Ffs we used to burn women to death or sowly drown them...we used to hang draw and quarter live peoplease. ...if that's not as barbaric as isis then what is?

'Used to' being the operative words ,we don't anymore and have not for a long time

she can go to hell as far as i'm concerned.

[Glenn.]

If you were a mother of a 17yr old son you would be up on Sunday cooking him a hearty breakfast though.

Like **** would I

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.facebook.com/thetommyrobinson/posts/1497491970386852


Read here about her Dad who wants her home !!

[Tom4784]

She has no remorse! And if isis had not been beaten she would still be with her murdering husband and friends giving birth to more children to kill uk citizens given the chance.

You should be more outraged at the thousands of innocent kids dying of starvation shouldn’t you?

What a bizarre point to make and at the end of the day you're still basically fine with saying that you're fine with children dying because you're demonising them before they're even born and that's ****ed up, 'Giving birth to more children to kill UK citizens...'. An utterly ****ed up point of view and one that is devoid of empathy.

Your last point about starvation comes across as hollow and questionable, are you saying you're only empathetic enough to sympathise with one or the other? You can't sympathise with both? You may be limited in your ability to empathise but I won't ever demonise a child before it's born just so I don't have to feel empathy for the fact it's fated to a horrible life and a worse death.

[Oliver_W]

If it's dangerous to the UK to let her back in, is it not dangerous to the country she's in currently to leave her there?

A country that has far fewer resources available to monitor her...

...a country that she isn't from.
She's not exactly gonna be a danger to an islamic state is she. Whereas she actively hates the UK.

[Glenn.]

Let her have the kid and we’ll have that back.

Let’s be real in this idiotic country she’ll end up on our streets unsupervised and spreading hatred.

[Niamh.]

UK shuts the door on runaway Isis schoolgirl who wants to come home to give birth
The Home Secretary has warned he ‘will not hesitate’ in shutting the door on a pregnant schoolgirl who ran away to join Isis. Sajid Javid said those who left the UK to join Isis were ‘full of hate for our country’, and should be prepared to be prosecuted if they do return home. Speaking to The Times, he said: ‘My message is clear – if you have supported terrorist organisations abroad I will not hesitate to prevent your return.

‘If you do manage to return you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted.’ Shamima Begum, 19, is heavily pregnant and has begged to be allowed to return to Britain to give birth. She married a Dutch convert, Yago Riedijk, 27, within 10 days of arriving in Syria after reportedly applied for a husband who ‘spoke English between the ages of 20-25’. Speaking from a refugee camp in northern Syria, she said her two other children were dead and she wanted to ‘do anything required just to be able to come home and live quietly’ with her third child. If she does return, she will face an investigation to establish if she has committed any criminal offenses and to evaluate if she poses a threat. The Home Office said it does not comment on individual cases, although anyone who returns to the UK after travelling to Isis territory faces criminal investigation and stricter laws are now in place.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/15/uk-shuts-the-door-on-runaway-isis-schoolgirl-who-wants-to-come-home-to-give-birth-8633709/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR0syd9lpQ11xBK7CP8nKqZTFaoGKcHRaEn0q02cl CXF48XvdiS6GToh2nY?ito=cbshare

[Niamh.]

She is British at the moment. But any minute now she will be stateless and it is perfectly within our rights to get rid. She's useless to us, she has no information to share. And when is someone going to care even a little bit about all those severed heads that did not faze her.

Legally, we do not have to take her back. And I hope we won't. The resources that would be wasted on her could be used more fruitfully somewhere else.

Former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, Lord Carlile, told the BBC that if Begum has not gained a second citizenship of another country she will have to be allowed back to her homeland because under international law it is not possible for a person to be made ‘stateless’.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/15/uk-shuts-the-door-on-runaway-isis-schoolgirl-who-wants-to-come-home-to-give-birth-8633709/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR0syd9lpQ11xBK7CP8nKqZTFaoGKcHRaEn0q02cl CXF48XvdiS6GToh2nY?ito=cbshare

[arista]

[If you do manage to return you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted.’ Shamima Begum, 19, ]

Yes Nothing has Changed

[arista]

Let her have the kid and we’ll have that back.

Let’s be real in this idiotic country she’ll end up on our streets unsupervised and spreading hatred.



No she does not want the baby born in Syria.
She demands it is born in London.

[Glenn.]

Tough **** lol.

[Kazanne]

No she does not want the baby born in Syria.
She demands it is born in London.

She can demand all she likes, Britain needs to keep it's word on this,maybe the children and wives of those murdered by her husband and the like could demand that she stays where she belongs in hell.

[arista]

She can demand all she likes, Britain needs to keep it's word on this,maybe the children and wives of those murdered by her husband and the like could demand that she stays where she belongs in hell.


Yes she
is not going into that dark side
She claims just to be - just the wife
who lost 2 babies , already, due to no food.

[Beso]

'Used to' being the operative words ,we don't anymore and have not for a long time

she can go to hell as far as i'm concerned.

Sounds like she's already there m8.

[Beso]

All of us? My family didn't make a penny from the Empire, and to drag that up is budding the waters of this case. The part of my family that was here during the time of Empire was living in squalor, so excuse me Parm, if I don't weep and wring my hands for this girl.

Her baby's father is Dutch. Maybe they will take her. We have no obligation to take her back. And I hope we don't,

You don't need excused for your opinions, imo.


And neither do I...I can't help how I feel about this and I am a little surprised at myself actually...but I can't get past the fact I see her a s groomed child rather than a dangerous terrorist type.

[AnnieK]

Sounds like she's already there m8.

Her choice though to be fair

[Beso]

Her choice though to be fair

And it's her choice to come back now:shrug:

[AnnieK]

And it's her choice to come back now:shrug:

For me she can come back as I have said before, but she got herself there, she can get herself back. Wouldn't risk our guys getting her out to be honest. The ones she has been actively supporting the murder of. Get back on British soil and face the consequences of her actions.

[thesheriff443]

What a bizarre point to make and at the end of the day you're still basically fine with saying that you're fine with children dying because you're demonising them before they're even born and that's ****ed up, 'Giving birth to more children to kill UK citizens...'. An utterly ****ed up point of view and one that is devoid of empathy.

Your last point about starvation comes across as hollow and questionable, are you saying you're only empathetic enough to sympathise with one or the other? You can't sympathise with both? You may be limited in your ability to empathise but I won't ever demonise a child before it's born just so I don't have to feel empathy for the fact it's fated to a horrible life and a worse death.

Get off your high horse dezzy, my point of view is no more fcuked up as yours.

When the government bomb Isis strong holds there is a chance of so called civilian casualties, I don’t care if her and her baby gets killed as they are the enemy. That’s what happens in a war.

[Cherie]

The government should be concentrating on bringing home Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe before even considering this one


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/british-charity-worker-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-faces-extra/

[Kazanne]

Yes she
is not going into that dark side
She claims just to be - just the wife
who lost 2 babies , already, due to no food.

I heard they died in air strikes, so not sure I would believe a word she said anyway.

[arista]

I heard they died in air strikes, so not sure I would believe a word she said anyway.


Yes she is being Sly.

[Amy Jade]

The government should be concentrating on bringing home Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe before even considering this one


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/british-charity-worker-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-faces-extra/

I agree. Priorities the lady who deserves help first.

[arista]

The government should be concentrating on bringing home Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe before even considering this one


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/british-charity-worker-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-faces-extra/


Yes Iran wants a debt paid
from many years ago.
Then she can go home

[Lakey]

The thing that worries me is that she shows no remorse. No return for terrorist.

I don’t believe she should ever be allowed back. She and is a danger to all of us and our country should seek to protect the majority of citizens over the minority.

[Lakey]

And it's her choice to come back now:shrug:

It’s not her choice it’s Britain’s.

[Beso]

For me she can come back as I have said before, but she got herself there, she can get herself back. Wouldn't risk our guys getting her out to be honest. The ones she has been actively supporting the murder of. Get back on British soil and face the consequences of her actions.

I agree with that.

[Beso]

It’s not her choice it’s Britain’s.

Can you tell that to all the ****ers sneeking in please.

[chuff me dizzy]

No she does not want the baby born in Syria.
She demands it is born in London.

She had 2 in Syria, both starved to death

[arista]

She had 2 in Syria, both starved to death


Yes she failed.

[Beso]

https://www.facebook.com/thetommyrobinson/posts/1497491970386852


Read here about her Dad who wants her home !!

Obviously no go areas for the social services..urghhh..to think I felt sorry for that scumbag when I saw him crying on tv....but his daughter, well it's all making sense now..


groomed in the home...sent to die by her own parents.

[Lakey]

She had 2 in Syria, both starved to death

She was married to an ISIS terrorist so that makes no sense. They were in control. I believe she is either lying or didn’t care about her children and is probably only using this baby to crawl back to the country she claims to hate. Well most of the country now hate her and don’t want her back so she can crawl back to where she belongs, hell.

[Kazanne]

She was married to an ISIS terrorist so that makes no sense. They were in control. I believe she is either lying or didn’t care about her children and is probably only using this baby to crawl back to the country she claims to hate. Well most of the country now hate her and don’t want her back so she can crawl back to where she belongs, hell.

I heard they died in airstrikes her father also took part in some dodgy stuff. so no we don't want her here, I don't think she was groomed seems it runs in the family.
http://i.imgur.com/HsnNSbB.jpg (https://imgur.com/HsnNSbB)

[Crimson Dynamo]

My pal said they should get Cardiff City to arrange a flight home for her

:ninja2:

[bots]

i think we should avoid taking her back if its at all possible. We shouldnt go out of our way to make it easy for her to return. That said, i dont think she would get an opportunity to do anything if she did return

[user104658]

She's not exactly gonna be a danger to an islamic state is she. Whereas she actively hates the UK.ISIS is not a danger to predominantly Islamic nations?? That's so incorrect I'm not even sure where to start.

ISIS has killed hundreds of times more Muslims in the Middle East than it has anyone else across the world. ISIS has reduced entire nations in the Middle East that used to have hospitals, schools, playgrounds and people living normal everyday lives to piles of rubble and dust full of starving children with dead families.

I'm not sure if this statement was made in sheer ignorance or if you're somehow joking.

[Oliver_W]

ISIS is not a danger to predominantly Islamic nations?? That's so incorrect I'm not even sure where to start.

I said she's not a threat to any islamic states, because she wants what they want.

[user104658]

I said she's not a threat to any islamic states, because she wants what they want.:facepalm: Ignorance it is, then. The vast majority of "them" were normal families who wanted nothing to do with it, and ISIS has killed far more of "them" than they have people in the west. There have been COUNTLESS massacres of Middle Eastern people in the Middle East, by ISIS. The mainstream media just rarely bothers to report on them. ISIS is a FAR greater risk to "those people" than it has ever or will ever be to us. I'm honestly surprised / borderline shocked that you think most people in countries like Syria support ISIS, and are unaware of the scale of suffering that ISIS has caused there.

[reece(:]

bABtzKrCKoQ

[Oliver_W]

Aisleeeeeeyyyyne <3

[Tom4784]

Get off your high horse dezzy, my point of view is no more fcuked up as yours.

When the government bomb Isis strong holds there is a chance of so called civilian casualties, I don’t care if her and her baby gets killed as they are the enemy. That’s what happens in a war.

Yes, empathy for innocent children is so ****ed up but seeing them as the enemy for being born to the wrong people certainly isn't....

Good ****ing grief this country is ****ed.

[Beso]

She is British at the moment. But any minute now she will be stateless and it is perfectly within our rights to get rid. She's useless to us, she has no information to share. And when is someone going to care even a little bit about all those severed heads that did not faze her.

Legally, we do not have to take her back. And I hope we won't. The resources that would be wasted on her could be used more fruitfully somewhere else.



She won't be stateless as it's against the law for anyone to be stateless..if she is made stateless she could sue us.

[Oliver_W]

:facepalm: Ignorance it is, then. The vast majority of "them" were normal families who wanted nothing to do with it, and ISIS has killed far more of "them" than they have people in the west. There have been COUNTLESS massacres of Middle Eastern people in the Middle East, by ISIS. The mainstream media just rarely bothers to report on them. ISIS is a FAR greater risk to "those people" than it has ever or will ever be to us. I'm honestly surprised / borderline shocked that you think most people in countries like Syria support ISIS, and are unaware of the scale of suffering that ISIS has caused there.

I'm not even on about ISIS as a whole, I'm on about her. She could represent a thread to the UK, but she's not going to be a threat to an islamic country in the middle east.

[thesheriff443]

Yes, empathy for innocent children is so ****ed up but seeing them as the enemy for being born to the wrong people certainly isn't....

Good ****ing grief this country is ****ed.

You are so angry, do you think she gives a flying fcuk about innocent children by given birth to them in a war zone and letting not one but two die of starvation and be pregnant with another one?.

She joined a group who murder and torture mothers and fathers and now the sh1t has hit the fan you want me to see her as a victim!

Have a serious look at yourself in the mirror.

[thesheriff443]

Also do you think she would let her children grow up to be kind a respectful to others, no they would be filled with hate just like her.

[user104658]

I'm not even on about ISIS as a whole, I'm on about her. She could represent a thread to the UK, but she's not going to be a threat to an islamic country in the middle east.So she is likely to become actively involved in terrorism here, but definitely won't become actively involved in terrorism over there? There's some mental gymnastics going on here.

[thesheriff443]

Men and women with families have lost their lives fighting these scum to keep us safe, and yet some on her would let the same scum back into our country.

It’s you who are betraying the families that lost their husbands sons daughters wives brothers sisters mothers fathers.

[bots]

We judge people by their actions, not by some fluffy fantasy land where she sees the error of her ways. This is no ordinary girl, this is, to all intents and purposes an evil savage.

If the law dictates she must return here, fine, bring her back, lock her up or whatever. If the law doesn't require that she returns, I see no reason for welcoming her back.


She is at a refugee camp. She will be experiencing the same fate as many of her victims families. Why should she get better treatment than them, be safer than them? I don't think thats fair at all. She knew what she was doing when she made her way to Syria, made her own choices. They didnt happen by chance. The same cant be said for her victims

[Oliver_W]

She's basically not coming back any time soon - the Home Sec has said he'll do whatever it takes to block her, and she's not exactly gonna make the journey herself when she's heavily pregnant and probably paperless.

[user104658]

Men and women with families have lost their lives fighting these scum to keep us safe, and yet some on her would let the same scum back into our country.

It’s you who are betraying the families that lost their husbands sons daughters wives brothers sisters mothers fathers.

I would have the country take responsibility for an individual that was born, raised and radicalised in the UK instead of palming the responsibility off on another country. But by all means, continue to attempt to take the moral high ground by suggesting that its "not our problem".

[user104658]

She's basically not coming back any time soon - the Home Sec has said he'll do whatever it takes to block her, and she's not exactly gonna make the journey herself when she's heavily pregnant and probably paperless.Of course he has. It'll win the Tories a few brownie points with the slavering hordes.

[Vicky.]

Let her back, but jail her for life, meaning actual life,in solitary so she can't radicalise anyone. Its not her childs fault that their mother is a terrorist, so I do think we should keep that child safe. However her? I care not one but about really.

I do get the point though, that many say 'send them back' about immigrants who commit crimes, expecting the countries they are from to pick up the pieces, yet suggest Britain does the same, and its awful and unthinkable!

[Becs]

Yeah I kinda take this view as well. I'd rather she didn't return but I think we have a responsibility as she is our citizen. If someone from another country came over here to support terrorism and then their home country were like: 'nah we don't want them back, they can stay with you' then everybody would be raging. I think she should serve some long jail time though, she clearly still has a lot of affection for 'the caliphate' and would be happy enough there if they weren't on the verge of defeat

The more these kind of things happen the more likely we will get tougher. Laws can be changed and if she can’t be made stateless atm that may well change in the future. It is exactly these kinds of actions that make people question immigration from certain countries as no one wants to be responsible for them when the inevitable happens, understandably. The more they come the more this will happen. Individual accountability should be the deciding factor.

[Kazanne]

She wants to come home for the safety of her baby,I want her to stay there for the safety of mine. and how about SHE takes responsibility for her actions, never mind blaming Britain etc for it, where is peoples compassion for all those poor terrified people who were beheaded by her 'friends' they all had families.

[Kazanne]

Of course he has. It'll win the Tories a few brownie points with the slavering hordes.

Lets hope he doesn't bow down to the people who think it's ok to let scum like this use our benefits and NHS,no wonder we are in such a mess,not many have a backbone anymore.

[user104658]

She wants to come home for the safety of her baby,I want her to stay there for the safety of mine.

Whilst not giving a flying **** about any babies that might be at risk overseas.

never mind blaming Britain etc for it, where is peoples compassion for all those poor terrified people who were beheaded by her 'friends' they all had families.

Again, it's not about compassion, it's about responsibility and we have a responsibility to protect ALL innocent people - wherever in the world they might be - from dangerous UK citizens. The double standard is honestly incredible. This belief that other countries are responsible for any criminals born and raised there that happen to come here... but we aren't responsible if the exact same situation is reversed :facepalm:.

[Becs]

Whilst not giving a flying **** about any babies that might be at risk overseas.



Again, it's not about compassion, it's about responsibility and we have a responsibility to protect ALL innocent people - wherever in the world they might be - from dangerous UK citizens. The double standard is honestly incredible. This belief that other countries are responsible for any criminals born and raised there that happen to come here... but we aren't responsible if the exact same situation is reversed :facepalm:.

You can consider her your responsibility if you like. She isn’t mine. She shouldn’t be anyone’s but her own and her dubious family who need more attention from the authorities. If given a choice between being a responsibility shirker or a mug I know which I would rather be.

[AnnieK]

You can consider her your responsibility if you like. She isn’t mine. She shouldn’t be anyone’s but her own and her dubious family who need more attention from the authorities. If given a choice between being a responsibility shirker or a mug I know which I would rather be.

In that respect then,should we keep every terrorist here who are not uk nationals or should they be deported?

[chuff me dizzy]

You can consider her your responsibility if you like. She isn’t mine. She shouldn’t be anyone’s but her own and her dubious family who need more attention from the authorities. If given a choice between being a responsibility shirker or a mug I know which I would rather be.


:clap1: She's not my responsibility either !!

[Becs]

In that respect then,should we keep every terrorist here who are not uk nationals or should they be deported?

She deported herself and that should be an irreversible decision. Same goes for anyone who does the same.

[Tom4784]

You are so angry, do you think she gives a flying fcuk about innocent children by given birth to them in a war zone and letting not one but two die of starvation and be pregnant with another one?.

She joined a group who murder and torture mothers and fathers and now the sh1t has hit the fan you want me to see her as a victim!

Have a serious look at yourself in the mirror.

Maybe it would do you well to read what I've said instead of going full gammon and completely misrepresenting what I've said to serve your own agenda. I've never once said I have sympathy with the mother, my sympathy has always been with the kids that would have otherwise grown up happy and normal had their circumstances been different.

I'm angry because I'm faced with an outrageous and almost sociopathic lack of empathy towards the death and murder of children. It's ****ing grim how ugly your attitude is towards children whose only crime is to be born to the wrong parents. ****ing gross, it truly is.

You're the one that's basically normalising the death of children and demonising them in the process to make their deaths seem fine and dandy, if anyone should take a good hard look in the mirror it's you, empathy is never a bad thing, you can never shame me for that but you should be ashamed of how hard you're trying to make out that it's a bad thing, how desperate you are to explain away these children's death as basically being a good thing.

If your attitude is a common one in this country then this country is utterly ****ed.

[user104658]

You can consider her your responsibility if you like. She isn’t mine. She shouldn’t be anyone’s but her own and her dubious family who need more attention from the authorities. If given a choice between being a responsibility shirker or a mug I know which I would rather be.But I assume you'd like us to deport any foreign terrorists that are in the UK and would be most outraged if the country they were from wouldn't take them?

[AnnieK]

She deported herself and that should be an irreversible decision. Same goes for anyone who does the same.

So anyone on our soils who deported themselves and ended up here have made an irreversible decision and now should be our problem? Good to know

[Ashley.]

If she's a British citizen then she's our responsibility, is really the be all and end all of the discussion over whether or not she should be brought back into the UK. Countries can't just start saying "not our problem" and exiling. Why would anywhere else want her, either? So if she's dangerous / guilty and needs locked up, so be it, but if she's British then it's Britain that has to provide the cell I'm afraid.

Absolutely. Sorry everyone.

[hijaxers]

:clap1: She's not my responsibility either !!

Nor mine !or anyone else i have spoken to re this woman (she can sod off) bye then.

[Becs]

So anyone on our soils who deported themselves and ended up here have made an irreversible decision and now should be our problem? Good to know

Anyone who is a terrorist and a threat to the security of our country should not be our problem. Very good to know.

[Becs]

But I assume you'd like us to deport any foreign terrorists that are in the UK and would be most outraged if the country they were from wouldn't take them?

I really don’t care if anyone else will take them or not as long as we don’t.

[user104658]

I really don’t care if anyone else will take them or not as long as we don’t.So you genuinely believe that we should deport terrorists in the UK to their home countries, but other countries shouldn't deport terrorists from Britain back to Britain?

Well, that's your opinion I suppose. It's an illogical and hypocritical one, in my opinion but that's not exactly unexpected.

[Beso]

Another example of "us" being as brutal as isis is the iras punishment of kneecapping for crimes such as steeling lead from roofs.

[thesheriff443]

Maybe it would do you well to read what I've said instead of going full gammon and completely misrepresenting what I've said to serve your own agenda. I've never once said I have sympathy with the mother, my sympathy has always been with the kids that would have otherwise grown up happy and normal had their circumstances been different.

I'm angry because I'm faced with an outrageous and almost sociopathic lack of empathy towards the death and murder of children. It's ****ing grim how ugly your attitude is towards children whose only crime is to be born to the wrong parents. ****ing gross, it truly is.

You're the one that's basically normalising the death of children and demonising them in the process to make their deaths seem fine and dandy, if anyone should take a good hard look in the mirror it's you, empathy is never a bad thing, you can never shame me for that but you should be ashamed of how hard you're trying to make out that it's a bad thing, how desperate you are to explain away these children's death as basically being a good thing.

If your attitude is a common one in this country then this country is utterly ****ed.

I have not got an agenda and people who don’t want her back have kids and plenty of empathy, but being pregnant is not a get of jail card

What do you this woman would do if a British family found themselves in her village when they had the upper hand, she would let her hilusband the father to her kids kill rape and torture that family.

This woman already let two kids die, and would not bat an eye lid as her husband killed the enemy that includes women and children.

[AnnieK]

Anyone who is a terrorist and a threat to the security of our country should not be our problem. Very good to know.

Sooo....they should be deported from here but our nationals should not come back. Ooookkkk....now I get the absolute ridiculous double standards. Gotcha sweetie.....laughable really

[Becs]

Sooo....they should be deported from here but our nationals should not come back. Ooookkkk....now I get the absolute ridiculous double standards. Gotcha sweetie.....laughable really

I find it laughable that some are happy to put others at risk in order that they can feel good about themselves for being so tolerating and understanding of the screwed ideology of others. :pat: I say that’s not your call, just pure arrogance.

[user104658]

I find it laughable that some are happy to put others at risk in order that they can feel good about themselves for being so tolerating and understanding of the screwed ideology of others. :pat: I say that’s not your call, just pure arrogance.I find it horrendous that some are happy to allow one of our citizens to be out there putting others at risk so long as the people at risk aren't in this country. Selfish isolationism that only serves to put a bigger target on our backs. But what else are we to expect from Brexit Britain?

[user104658]

Also Brillo why are you back with ANOTHER new username? Is this not getting old yet?

[Becs]

Also Brillo why are you back with ANOTHER new username? Is this not getting old yet?

As I have no idea what you are rabbiting on about I will leave you to your paranoia and feelings of self importance.

[Matthew.]

Also Brillo why are you back with ANOTHER new username? Is this not getting old yet?

Finally, I thought I was the only other person thinking this lmao

[Becs]

I find it horrendous that some are happy to allow one of our citizens to be out there putting others at risk so long as the people at risk aren't in this country. Selfish isolationism that only serves to put a bigger target on our backs. But what else are we to expect from Brexit Britain?

Ah, one of those.

[Becs]

Finally, I thought I was the only other person thinking this lmao

Thinking what? Are you two in cahoots to drive newcomers off the forum? I suggest you go harass someone else.

[user104658]

Thinking what? Are you two in cahoots to drive newcomers off the forum? I suggest you go harass someone else.I'm not sure if you actually believe anyone is buying this :joker:.

[Tom4784]

I have not got an agenda and people who don’t want her back have kids and plenty of empathy, but being pregnant is not a get of jail card

What do you this woman would do if a British family found themselves in her village when they had the upper hand, she would let her hilusband the father to her kids kill rape and torture that family.

This woman already let two kids die, and would not bat an eye lid as her husband killed the enemy that includes women and children.

That says so much about your sense of morality.

It's okay for these kids to die because of the hypothetical actions of their parents, in fact you seem glad about it in all honesty judging from your other posts.

We must be better than those we judge, we can't react to brutality with brutality and then pretend we're better.

[GoldHeart]

I feel sorry for her innocent unborn child , her excuse to come back to the UK is so the child can get proper healthcare. Soo many questions , could the child be taken off her if she IS allowed back ?, what happens next ? .

Also what if she tries to recruit other young girls and brain washes them , surely at 15 she knew it was wrong what she was doing by wanting to join ISIS . She's still a potential terrorist and would have to be watched if she comes back to the uk.

I find it bizarre and really unfair how decent hardworking people get deported over stupid reasons who haven't committed any serious crimes:suspect: , yet this potential dangerous person is allowed back into the country :facepalm: .

[thesheriff443]

That says so much about your sense of morality.

It's okay for these kids to die because of the hypothetical actions of their parents, in fact you seem glad about it in all honesty judging from your other posts.

We must be better than those we judge, we can't react to brutality with brutality and then pretend we're better.

Innocent lives are lost every day to abortion that’s not my fault!, life is about choices.

This woman was a breeding machine, churning out kids to be filled with hate, she only wants to come back because Isis is being defeated.



Letting murders live amongst us don’t make you a better person.

[thesheriff443]

As to hypothetical actions, are you saying Isis haven’t murdered innocent women an children?.

I live in the real world.

[thesheriff443]

No matter how wrong you think my opinion is, it’s only an opinion and will make no difference to what happens to the woman and her unborn child in this case.

[Tom4784]

Innocent lives are lost every day to abortion that’s not my fault!, life is about choices.

This woman was a breeding machine, churning out kids to be filled with hate, she only wants to come back because Isis is being defeated.



Letting murders live amongst us don’t make you a better person.

If you think that aborting a bundle of cells is the same as living breathing children dying then that says it all really, not only are you blatantly wrong but you're ignorant of the biology surrounding pregnancy.

See, you're doing what you did before. You tried to make out that I had sympathy for the mother when I blatantly didn't and now you're trying to spin some sort of narrative in which I think the mother should be allowed to go free despite saying otherwise in my other posts.

I won't accept your spin and your attempts to rewrite what I've said in order to give yourself a leg to stand on in this conversation. I will highlight your tactics and drag you across the coals for it because it's a low tactic. Argue against what I'm actually saying and not what you've imagined I've said.

Children are children, they are not born with hate, it's thrust upon them. If there's a chance to save a child's life and take them away from a life of abuse and early death then we should take it. Let the mother face her crimes, lock her away and give the child a chance to live a normal life.

Demonising children and justifying their deaths and murder certainly doesn't make you a good person either.

[Tom4784]

As to hypothetical actions, are you saying Isis haven’t murdered innocent women an children?.

I live in the real world.

Another example of what I just said.

Where have I said that Isis haven't killed innocent people? It's ****ing wrong of you to suggest that since you're basically making me out to be a terrorist sympathiser and you will apologise for that.

You brought up a hypothetical situation to justify the deaths of children by making out that the same would befall a British family in their situation, I responded by saying that you don't respond to brutality with brutality and then act like you're the better side. I never said anything about Isis as a whole. I shall be awaiting your apology.

[thesheriff443]

Another example of what I just said.

Where have I said that Isis haven't killed innocent people? It's ****ing wrong of you to suggest that since you're basically making me out to be a terrorist sympathiser and you will apologise for that.

You brought up a hypothetical situation to justify the deaths of children by making out that the same would befall a British family in their situation, I responded by saying that you don't respond to brutality with brutality and then act like you're the better side. I never said anything about Isis as a whole. I shall be awaiting your apology.
You are so full of righteousness, you will get no apology from me, one of us is full of anger and it’s not me.

[thesheriff443]

Just to clarify, you want an apology from me for having a difference of opinion when you called me ignorant, lol you are taking the p1ss.

As to calling me ignorant about abortions, they can take place upto 24 weeks at which point their is a chance of survival, the earliest a baby as been born and survived is 21 weeks

The unborn baby in this case is being used as a get me back home card, nothing more.

[thesheriff443]

The world is messed up, instead of killing the murderers and child rapist we lock them up for a few years then let them out with the strong possibility they will do the same again.

And this is supposed to make us better human beings.

[Becs]

I feel sorry for her innocent unborn child , her excuse to come back to the UK is so the child can get proper healthcare. Soo many questions , could the child be taken off her if she IS allowed back ?, what happens next ? .

Also what if she tries to recruit other young girls and brain washes them , surely at 15 she knew it was wrong what she was doing by wanting to join ISIS . She's still a potential terrorist and would have to be watched if she comes back to the uk.

I find it bizarre and really unfair how decent hardworking people get deported over stupid reasons who haven't committed any serious crimes:suspect: , yet this potential dangerous person is allowed back into the country :facepalm: .

The family are trying the ‘she has Stockholm Syndrome’ get out clause now. Pathetic. Maybe they should take some responsibility for their bad/criminal parenting skills instead as it seems she is the product of their own warped ideologies. We are just allowing the disease of such hate to spread within us whilst we sit back and discuss our morality. If we aren’t careful we will go down in history as the masters of our own demise in our arrogance and stupidity.

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[Tom4784]

Just to clarify, you want an apology from me for having a difference of opinion when you called me ignorant, lol you are taking the p1ss.

As to calling me ignorant about abortions, they can take place upto 24 weeks at which point their is a chance of survival, the earliest a baby as been born and survived is 21 weeks

The unborn baby in this case is being used as a get me back home card, nothing more.

Is twisting facts into lies all you are capable of doing? Do you choose not to acknowledge things that do not suit your agenda? It's clear as day in the post you quoted that I don't want an apology for a difference of opinion but for the fact you are taking my views which are very simple, that my concern lies with the kids, and you're making me out to be a terrorist sympathiser.

It's a pathetic thing to do and I will call it out for what it is. This is not about a difference of opinion, this is about you making me out to be a terrorist sympathiser and trying to frame what I'm saying as me wanting this woman to be free which has never been the case. My concern with this story has always been the children and I said multiple times that I want the mother to be locked up.

Late term abortions are a thing yes but if you are trying to make out that they are common then you are straight up lying, most abortions take place within the first 12 weeks were babies are nothing more than cells, to compare that to a living breathing child is ignorant. To make out that late term abortions are more common then they actually are is ignorant. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's often a duck.

[Tom4784]

The world is messed up, instead of killing the murderers and child rapist we lock them up for a few years then let them out with the strong possibility they will do the same again.

And this is supposed to make us better human beings.

And responding to brutality with more brutality makes us better? To take glee in the death of children in the guise of treating them like the enemy when their only crime is being born in the wrong place makes us good?

I'd rather be called self righteous and know that my sense of morality is on point then be so twisted out of shape to believe that fighting fire with fire is the right thing to do.

[arista]

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Yes if we do not
they may go back into Terrorism.

[arista]

Reports In

She had her Baby
So its a Syrian Baby Boy Now


https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-gives-birth-in-syria-11640060

[Kazanne]

Finally, I thought I was the only other person thinking this lmao

It's not brillo

[arista]

[Sky News correspondent John Sparks has spoken to the mother and seen the baby.]

[Becs]

Reports In

She had her Baby
So its a Syrian Baby Boy Now


https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-gives-birth-in-syria-11640060

Good news.

[Babayaro.]

Shamima Begum for CBB!

[Becs]

Shamima Begum for CBB!

She isn’t a celebrity just a terrorist. Scary you would see them as the same thing. :nono:

[Babayaro.]

:worry:

[Cherie]

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Thats all well and good but we are being let down by the justice system when only 10 per cent of returnees are taken to court

[arista]

Shamima Begum for CBB!

What Nation Big Brother?

[Babayaro.]

What Nation Big Brother?

UK!

[arista]

UK!


Its been withdrawn from the UK.
No Funding.


So Is it Canada?

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-gives-birth-in-syria-11640060

She spoke on SkyNewsHD to John Sparks (new born baby in the background , held by another lady )
and said she would like to keep her baby if she returns.

She was shocked at her friend who died
just a year after they were there.
She does not know how to contact her husband

[Babayaro.]

Its been withdrawn from the UK.
No Funding.


So Is it Canada?

Got to be Canada, yeah.

[arista]

Got to be Canada, yeah.


If she gets back Alive
I would assume
maybe after a year she could go on Canada CBB.
Boosting their Viewers

[user104658]

.................. Maybe Ex On The Beach?

[arista]

.................. Maybe Ex On The Beach?


No they would not want bad publicity

[Babayaro.]

If she gets back Alive
I would assume
maybe after a year she could go on Canada CBB.
Boosting their Viewers

How do you think she'd do?

[arista]

How do you think she'd do?


She is a Stronger Lady now
so very well


https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-shamima-begum-islamic_4580834.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190217111801
Interviewed on SkyNewsHD


She said she never broke any laws out there , herself.

[Becs]

She is a Stronger Lady now
so very well


https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-shamima-begum-islamic_4580834.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190217111801
Interviewed on SkyNewsHD


She said she never broke any laws out there , herself.

You want to make a celebrity out of a terrorist. Why not invite her and her terrorist friends to tea then and make an explosive party of it. Christ almighty.

[arista]

You want to make a celebrity out of a terrorist. Why not invite her and her terrorist friends to tea then and make an explosive party of it. Christ almighty.


She was the Wife
The Terrorist is her husband

The child just born
has nothing to do with terrorism

I did not suggest her for Canada CBB
Another poster wants that

[Becs]

She was the Wife
The Terrorist is her husband

The child just born
has nothing to do with terrorism

I did not suggest her for Canada CBB
Another poster wants that

And you believe her, she isn’t likely to say anything else is she. It would be quite difficult to prove either way and she knows it so can say whatever she wants. The gullible of course will believe her : rolleyes:

[thesheriff443]

She’s just a normal house wife, just clearing the severed heads away before dinner.

[Becs]

She’s just a normal house wife, just clearing the severed heads away before dinner.

Something for which she deserves ‘celebrity’ status apparently. Lost for words.

[Beso]

I once saw a dirty nappy in a bin, all open and gaping it's contents at me...was that my fault or the fault of the person who put it there?

[Tom4784]

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Probably the only time I'll agree with Trump. Throw 'em in prison, we can't force our rats on other countries.

[Becs]

I once saw a dirty nappy in a bin, all open and gaping it's contents at me...was that my fault or the fault of the person who put it there?

How do you know she had no part in putting it there, because she said so:rolleyes: I wouldn’t believe a word that comes out of her terrorist smpathizers mouth. She is at least that, probably a lot worse.

[arista]

Probably the only time I'll agree with Trump. Throw 'em in prison, we can't force our rats on other countries.



Yes he has good military advises
assisting him.

[arista]

And you believe her, she isn’t likely to say anything else is she. It would be quite difficult to prove either way and she knows it so can say whatever she wants. The gullible of course will believe her : rolleyes:


It not for me to believe her
The Home Office and UK Police
would interview her
if she and her new born son make it back to the UK.

The parents need to travel out there.

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-begum-shamima-baby_4580876.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190217155259
SkyNewsHD got the first interview


Pathetic BBCnewsHD watches SkyNewsHD in their Over Big News Room
and yet they say she has thought to have been given birth?
You can hear her new son crying on SkyNewsHD
at least Ch4HD news at 6:30PM today will have a clip from SkyNewsHD

[Beso]

How do you know she had no part in putting it there, because she said so:rolleyes: I wouldn’t believe a word that comes out of her terrorist smpathizers mouth. She is at least that, probably a lot worse.

She never said if she did or didn't put it there.

[Matthew.]

Something for which she deserves ‘celebrity’ status apparently. Lost for words.

Omg it was obviously a joke

[Becs]

Omg it was obviously a joke

Very poor taste though.

[Babayaro.]

Sorry Becs :bawling:

[Livia]

I once saw a dirty nappy in a bin, all open and gaping it's contents at me...was that my fault or the fault of the person who put it there?

She knowingly left this country to travel across Europe and join IS. She married a terrorist. She's lived with those terrorist for years, supporting them. But now, she's just an ordinary housewife?

There are so many more cases worthy of your concern, she's not one of them.

[bots]

where is the sympathy for the thousands of women with children whose families were murdered by the group she actively chose to support

[Kazanne]

where is the sympathy for the thousands of women with children whose families were murdered by the group she actively chose to support

Exactly, she is demanding we give her this that and the other and we should have sympathy for her :laugh: where was her sympathy when gays were thrown off towers and dads and moms being beheaded,I am not even sure she is telling the truth about having the baby,and where is her husband? her lack of empathy is very telling.

[user104658]

where is the sympathy for the thousands of women with children whose families were murdered by the group she actively chose to support

The thing that is (still, constantly) being ignored is that most of the people persecuted and murdered by the group she chose to support are in the country she's currently in and the surrounding region. ISIS is more of a risk to innocent people in the Middle East than it is to people in the UK. I know people might not like that uncomfortable fact, or might have the bizarre notion that "Islamic countries aren't at risk from an ISIS sympathiser" (which can only come from reading literally zero international news?) AND on top of that, the country she's in has practically no infrastructure left so they can't realistically monitor this "dangerous person" from the UK at all. Therefore, the right, correct, responsible thing to do is have her back here - where she was born, where she was radicalised - under the supervision of the UK authorities.

I don't understand the logic that leaving an ISIS supporter free and unmonitored in the area most at risk from ISIS is "showing sympathy for the victims and their families". It's showing none at all. It's saying "We don't give a stuff so long as it's only foreign victims and their foreign families."

In fact not only is that irresponsible... it's the sort of selfish isolationist attitude that ISIS recruiters leverage to radicalise more people. Failing to take responsibility for this is actively helping terrorist organisations to grow and expand. It seriously concerns me that so many people advocate this level of shirking under the guise of it being somehow "moral", and not simple selfish cowardice and avoidance of responsibility.

[reece(:]

Someone on twitter said to get Prince Phillip to pick her up from the airport :skull:

[bots]

The thing that is (still, constantly) being ignored is that most of the people persecuted and murdered by the group she chose to support are in the country she's currently in and the surrounding region. ISIS is more of a risk to innocent people in the Middle East than it is to people in the UK. I know people might not like that uncomfortable fact, or might have the bizarre notion that "Islamic countries aren't at risk from an ISIS sympathiser" (which can only come from reading literally zero international news?) AND on top of that, the country she's in has practically no infrastructure left so they can't realistically monitor this "dangerous person" from the UK at all. Therefore, the right, correct, responsible thing to do is have her back here - where she was born, where she was radicalised - under the supervision of the UK authorities.

I don't understand the logic that leaving an ISIS supporter free and unmonitored in the area most at risk from ISIS is "showing sympathy for the victims and their families". It's showing none at all. It's saying "We don't give a stuff so long as it's only foreign victims and their foreign families."

In fact not only is that irresponsible... it's the sort of selfish isolationist attitude that ISIS recruiters leverage to radicalise more people. Failing to take responsibility for this is actively helping terrorist organisations to grow and expand. It seriously concerns me that so many people advocate this level of shirking under the guise of it being somehow "moral", and not simple selfish cowardice and avoidance of responsibility.


My point is that she only wants to return to the UK for her own humanitarian concerns for herself and her child. She still supports ISIS who have by their actions put her in her present predicament. If ISIS were not on the run, she would still be happy to be there furthering their cause. She demonstrates zero compassion for those around her that are in that position as a direct result of the actions that she supported, so why should she now get an easy life (safe) now at the expense of those she persecuted.

I have always said i have no issue with her being brought back and tried here, but it should be when we are ready to do it, not when it best suits her

[Kazanne]

Someone on twitter said to get Prince Phillip to pick her up from the airport :skull:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Kazanne]

My point is that she only wants to return to the UK for her own humanitarian concerns for herself and her child. She still supports ISIS who have by their actions put her in her present predicament. If ISIS were not on the run, she would still be happy to be there furthering their cause. She demonstrates zero compassion for those around her that are in that position as a direct result of the actions that she supported, so why should she now get an easy life (safe) now at the expense of those she persecuted.

I have always said i have no issue with her being brought back and tried here, but it should be when we are ready to do it, not when it best suits her

Agreed again,and if she is so concerned for the 'baby' why not just ask for him to be taken to safety ? she can go be with her husband.

[Cherie]

Agreed again,and if she is so concerned for the 'baby' why not just ask for him to be taken to safety ? she can go be with her husband.

Yes hand over the baby if you really are that concerned, she can get in the queue to return

[user104658]

My point is that she only wants to return to the UK for her own humanitarian concerns for herself and her child. She still supports ISIS who have by their actions put her in her present predicament. If ISIS were not on the run, she would still be happy to be there furthering their cause. She demonstrates zero compassion for those around her that are in that position as a direct result of the actions that she supported, so why should she now get an easy life (safe) now at the expense of those she persecuted.

I have always said i have no issue with her being brought back and tried here, but it should be when we are ready to do it, not when it best suits her

Her reasons for wanting to return (and in fact, whether or not she wants to return at all) are entirely irrelevant; I think she should be taken out of Syria and on the first flight back to the UK whether she wants to be or not.

[AnnieK]

Given the security risk she poses, I would rather have her here locked up than face the possibility of her sneaking back in under the guise of a refugee and flying under.the radar....if we know she is locked down there is no chance of her deciding to become a martyr to the cause. I do believe she should be locked up though and not just put on a watch list

[Livia]

Have people forgotten what Islamic State have been responsible for? I'm afraid I can't forget the film of gay people being hurled off buildings to their death, children being slaughtered, press and humanitarian workers beheaded, torture, gang rape, sex trafficking, horrific, medieval torture... and now because this girl has had a baby we're supposed to be welcoming her back because she's British? She didn't think herself British when she went out there. Bring the baby back and give it to her parents if you must but this woman must be tried in Syria with the rest of her murderous IS terrorists.

We don't have to have her back here, we don't have to have any of the murdering terrorist back here and if we do, it'll be because people are more concerned for this woman than they are for the safety of the British public.

If I was running IS, I'd be working hard to get as many of my people into Europe as I could. This woman can't help us, she has no intelligence to give us. She has no place here anymore.

[arista]

Have people forgotten what Islamic State have been responsible for? I'm afraid I can't forget the film of gay people being hurled off buildings to their death, children being slaughtered, press and humanitarian workers beheaded, torture, gang rape, sex trafficking, horrific, medieval torture... and now because this girl has had a baby we're supposed to be welcoming her back because she's British? She didn't think herself British when she went out there. Bring the baby back and give it to her parents if you must but this woman must be tried in Syria with the rest of her murderous IS terrorists.

We don't have to have her back here, we don't have to have any of the murdering terrorist back here and if we do, it'll be because people are more concerned for this woman than they are for the safety of the British public.

If I was running IS, I'd be working hard to get as many of my people into Europe as I could. This woman can't help us, she has no intelligence to give us. She has no place here anymore.


Yes as Isis have not been in the news much.

She needs to go to Prison
for standing in that group,
just because she was 15
when she went, does not let her off.

[arista]

Someone on twitter said to get Prince Phillip to pick her up from the airport :skull:


A Joker

[user104658]

Have people forgotten what Islamic State have been responsible for? I'm afraid I can't forget the film of gay people being hurled off buildings to their death, children being slaughtered, press and humanitarian workers beheaded, torture, gang rape, sex trafficking, horrific, medieval torture...

I don't think anyone has forgotten but, again, the vast majority of this occurs in the Middle East which is exactly why she shouldn't be allowed to stay there -where she almost certainly will NOT be put on trial - to join up with another terrorist group. Again I have major concerns about the idea that it's fine for her to continue to pose a risk in another country, so long as she isn't a risk here. She is a British citizen and we should not be happily imposing her on another nation just because "it's safer for us".

The idea that this is about mollycoddling a terrorist or "her rights" or wanting her accepted back is a total strawman... no one is suggesting that that's why she should be back here. She should be here because it's our responsibility to ensure she doesn't harm anyone else, anywhere not because it's our responsibility to make sure she personally is OK.

[Livia]

I don't think anyone has forgotten but, again, the vast majority of this occurs in the Middle East which is exactly why she shouldn't be allowed to stay there -where she almost certainly will NOT be put on trial - to join up with another terrorist group. Again I have major concerns about the idea that it's fine for her to continue to pose a risk in another country, so long as she isn't a risk here. She is a British citizen and we should not be happily imposing her on another nation just because "it's safer for us".

The idea that this is about mollycoddling a terrorist or "her rights" or wanting her accepted back is a total strawman... no one is suggesting that that's why she should be back here. She should be here because it's our responsibility to ensure she doesn't harm anyone else, anywhere not because it's our responsibility to make sure she personally is OK.

Our first responsibility is to the British Public. Legally we don't have to bring her back. And what a poster girl she'll be for Muslim Terrorism back here in the UK! I care as much about her being (or not being) tried abroad as I do about any other terrorist.

Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation and membership of a proscribed organisation both carry as 10 year sentence. She'd be out in 5. Encouraging terrorism would being a 7 year sentence, out in 3. That's what she'll get if she's allowed home, out and free well before she's turned 30. And once she is out we'll have to keep her under surveillance forever at enormous cost. And she's not even tried to atone for her actions, she's proud of what she did.

Like I said earlier, there is a line, and she's crossed it. Maybe an Islamic country will take pity on her. But I doubt it.

[bots]

Our first responsibility is to the British Public. Legally we don't have to bring her back. And what a poster girl she'll be for Muslim Terrorism back here in the UK! I care as much about her being (or not being) tried abroad as I do about any other terrorist.

Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation and membership of a proscribed organisation both carry as 10 year sentence. She'd be out in 5. Encouraging terrorism would being a 7 year sentence, out in 3. That's what she'll get if she's allowed home, out and free well before she's turned 30. And once she is out we'll have to keep her under surveillance forever at enormous cost. And she's not even tried to atone for her actions, she's proud of what she did.

Like I said earlier, there is a line, and she's crossed it. Maybe an Islamic country will take pity on her. But I doubt it.

looking at it logically, she would be out just in time to indoctrinate her kid

[arista]

looking at it logically, she would be out just in time to indoctrinate her kid


Her Baby Boy


That would be sad if he became a Terrorist

[Livia]

looking at it logically, she would be out just in time to indoctrinate her kid

Exactly. I have no objection to her child being brought to the UK and given to her family.

[Cherie]

Given the security risk she poses, I would rather have her here locked up than face the possibility of her sneaking back in under the guise of a refugee and flying under.the radar....if we know she is locked down there is no chance of her deciding to become a martyr to the cause. I do believe she should be locked up though and not just put on a watch list

what would she be convicted of though, she says she was just a housewife, only 10 per cent of returnees end up behind bars and not for very long I would imagine

[Livia]

what would she be convicted of though, she says she was just a housewife, only 10 per cent of returnees end up behind bars and not for very long I would imagine

Like I said above, if she's thrown in jail, she'll still be out and free long before she's 30.

[user104658]

Our first responsibility is to the British Public.

But not for the British public? Fair enough, I find it an odd stance, especially when paired with the insistence that dangerous individuals who are NOT from the UK, but are living in the UK, should be returned to their home countries. Is it not hypocrisy to say that all dangerous individuals should rightly be returned to their country of origin... but dangerous individuals from the UK should NOT be returned to the UK? Are we for some reason an exception to that logic? Or does it simply not matter if it's a moral and logical contradiction... so long as we personally are as safe as possible?

[Cherie]

Like I said above, if she's thrown in jail, she'll still be out and free long before she's 30.

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe would be my priority

[Tom4784]

where is the sympathy for the thousands of women with children whose families were murdered by the group she actively chose to support

Why does sympathy have to be mutually exclusive to either the children raised in that environment or IS' victims?

Those children that are raised in that environment, that are turned into child soldiers or baby factories are just as much a victim of IS as anyone else. I don't have sympathy for the mother since she chose that life but the children? Yes I do.

[thesheriff443]

She had wanted the baby to fight for Isis she has called it jarra in honour of a jahidist who slaughtered Jews.

Her and those like her need a bullet in the head.

[Cherie]

But not for the British public? Fair enough, I find it an odd stance, especially when paired with the insistence that dangerous individuals who are NOT from the UK, but are living in the UK, should be returned to their home countries. Is it not hypocrisy to say that all dangerous individuals should rightly be returned to their country of origin... but dangerous individuals from the UK should NOT be returned to the UK? Are we for some reason an exception to that logic? Or does it simply not matter if it's a moral and logical contradiction... so long as we personally are as safe as possible?

The difference is the people who came here did not to so to cause their home country harm?

[Denver]

Yank the child from her then feed her back to ISIS to sort

[user104658]

The difference is the people who came here did not to so to cause their home country harm?Again the misconception that ISIS factions in Syria were not there to harm Syria. Its exactly the same situation... Except that the damage done by ISIS in Syria actually far outweighs any damage done by ISIS cells in the UK.

Unless you agree with Oliver that "ISIS isn't a threat to Islamic countries".