Labour MP David Lammy slams (BBC Comic Relief) Stacey Dooley Uganga trip

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

He has a point

[arista]

He has a point


Yes it was debated on Radio 5
9AM hour

[Crimson Dynamo]

The top comment from the article (with nearly 11,000 votes!)

When I was a child, nearly 70 years ago, I was sent home from school with a booklet of distressing photos of children in "poor" countries where famine, poverty, and lack of medical care were serious issues. I was supposed to sell those photos to friends and neighbours for a specified small sum and take the money back to school to be sent off for the charity to help these people. I see the photos here, and images on TV of starving children, and poverty today in these countries. Nothing much has changed in over 70 years. These are not poor countries, some of the richest peple in the world live in them. This problem is the responsibility of their governments who do little or nothing to address the issues. I am not without compassion, and no one can deny this should not be happening, anywhere, but this problem is obviously self-perpetuating and will not be solved unless seriously tackled at the source.

[bots]

another angle is that the government of these countries get the aid and then divert it for their own political purposes. To continue receiving this aid, they need to have poor and starving to get that money.

After decades of assistance, there is no excuse for the pictures we see

[user104658]

It's OK in a couple of years people will be sending aid here instead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

all that wasted money we ship to Africa

has anyone ever seen any thank you are gratefulness?

[Livia]

What a bigot.

I doubt he's ever seen anything Stacey Dooley has done before.

What's the message here? I think it's the same message that Robert Mugabe sent us, while he own country sank into the mire... Keep your pink noses out of it. I am happy to oblige.

[Livia]

all that wasted money we ship to Africa

has anyone ever seen any thank you are gratefulness?

No... we get black bigots like David Lammy, telling us we're disgusting colonials.

[arista]

another angle is that the government of these countries get the aid and then divert it for their own political purposes. To continue receiving this aid, they need to have poor and starving to get that money.

After decades of assistance, there is no excuse for the pictures we see


Yes that stinks

[The Slim Reaper]

Well this thread certainly took an expected turn.

[Wizard.]

I could edit a video that just consists of desperate children in need living in poverty in this country and ask people to donate and it would persuade them. Whilst people do live in poverty and are famined and dying there's always an angle to everything. It happens in EVERY. SINGLE. COUNTRY. In the world, so why are we so focused on Africa? If it's because of colonial guilt, why aren't we having more campaigns to help people in India and the Caribbean? Whilst money has helped some people and may have saved lives, the fact is not everyone can be saved and Britain is not some saviour of the poor people of the world. What would make a better difference is if these countries could run themselves properly. But then going back to my earlier point, we are supposed to be a 'good' and 'rich' country but people have to resort to receiving food aid in the form of food banks. We know people in America are impoverished, but we would not start an aid campaign for the people of America would we, because we assume that the government there would use money to actually help people in need.

[bots]

Have to say I've been impressed with what I've seen Stacey do so far, not seen the comic relief stuff though.

[Cherie]

The top comment from the article (with nearly 11,000 votes!)

When I was a child, nearly 70 years ago, I was sent home from school with a booklet of distressing photos of children in "poor" countries where famine, poverty, and lack of medical care were serious issues. I was supposed to sell those photos to friends and neighbours for a specified small sum and take the money back to school to be sent off for the charity to help these people. I see the photos here, and images on TV of starving children, and poverty today in these countries. Nothing much has changed in over 70 years. These are not poor countries, some of the richest peple in the world live in them. This problem is the responsibility of their governments who do little or nothing to address the issues. I am not without compassion, and no one can deny this should not be happening, anywhere, but this problem is obviously self-perpetuating and will not be solved unless seriously tackled at the source.

agree with this, its the same thing year in year out, mosquito nets, vaccinations, clean water,.... nothing changes

[Crimson Dynamo]

silly people virtue signalling to themselves that they are charitable and kind

waste of bloody money the whole shebang

people getting mugged off like when people give to the fake homeless on the street :bored:

[Alf]

Whenever I see a story about Lammy, it always has something to do with race and identity, always!

[arista]

Whenever I see a story about Lammy, it always has something to do with race and identity, always!


Yes thats his Style

[Tom4784]

I think he's right.

The way the films are made rob the people of their dignity in order to make a shocking and emotionally manipulative ploy for donations and these films become more about how the celebrities react to the situation rather than the situation itself. Like Lammy said, the celebs undoubtedly have good intentions but the whole presentation of it is unsavoury.

I like the idea of an african team making these films instead and presenting an authentic image of the plight people face without robbing them of their dignity.

[Shaun]

I understand his point but it's such a weird horse to flog.

But I am sick of Stacey Dooley's whiny, doe-eyed face and voice so I am going to stand with him anyway. Such a precocious, boring woman.

[joeysteele]

I understand his point but it's such a weird horse to flog.

But I am sick of Stacey Dooley's whiny, doe-eyed face and voice so I am going to stand with him anyway. Such a precocious, boring woman.

This for me.
I've nothing to add really.

[Beso]

He has been asked in the past to make a film, but declined to get back to them with an answer..

[Beso]

I don't really see the problem with what they do. You could compare it with the photo of princess diane in Africa with that child...Both women are making, or made a difference..maybe more black celebs should take up the opportunities given to themm

[hijaxers]

The top comment from the article (with nearly 11,000 votes!)

When I was a child, nearly 70 years ago, I was sent home from school with a booklet of distressing photos of children in "poor" countries where famine, poverty, and lack of medical care were serious issues. I was supposed to sell those photos to friends and neighbours for a specified small sum and take the money back to school to be sent off for the charity to help these people. I see the photos here, and images on TV of starving children, and poverty today in these countries. Nothing much has changed in over 70 years. These are not poor countries, some of the richest peple in the world live in them. This problem is the responsibility of their governments who do little or nothing to address the issues. I am not without compassion, and no one can deny this should not be happening, anywhere, but this problem is obviously self-perpetuating and will not be solved unless seriously tackled at the source.


Oh god i can remember those little books with pictures of childrens faces and the tear half off and donate, every kid in my school took a book home and we all hoped we would sell every picture hoping we were helping the children.

How things change , we were trying to give though even though most people in my street never even had a fridge.

[TomC]

I like the idea of an african team making these films instead and presenting an authentic image of the plight people face without robbing them of their dignity.

This is a great alternative that I'd never have considered.

To me it's undeniable that these white rich celebs swooping in does say 'white saviour'. It's no disrespect to these celebs who do have the best intentions; it's just a fact.

There does need to be more education about these countries.

[Withano]

I’ve always hated when super rich celebrities tell me to donate money tbh.

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe Lammy should get his arse over there and do something then if he doesn’t want Africans to have white help :idc:

He just comes across as racist tbh.

[Livia]

Maybe Lammy should get his arse over there and do something then if he doesn’t want Africans to have white help :idc:

He just comes across as racist tbh.

Definitely.

I will not be supporting Comic Relief this year and I would urge others not to. Well, I would urge white people not to... until people like Lammy stop striving to divide people with his bigotry.

[Cherie]

I think he's right.

The way the films are made rob the people of their dignity in order to make a shocking and emotionally manipulative ploy for donations and these films become more about how the celebrities react to the situation rather than the situation itself. Like Lammy said, the celebs undoubtedly have good intentions but the whole presentation of it is unsavoury.

I like the idea of an african team making these films instead and presenting an authentic image of the plight people face without robbing them of their dignity.

This is a great alternative that I'd never have considered.

To me it's undeniable that these white rich celebs swooping in does say 'white saviour'. It's no disrespect to these celebs who do have the best intentions; it's just a fact.

There does need to be more education about these countries.

Unfortunately the problem with that is that people wont donate as much or at all because who is going to watch a Comic/Sports relief type programme with no celebs, there are plenty black celebs who could throw their weight behind it and given we are supposed to be be seeing past colour its a bit rich to say we don;t want white celebs getting behind causes in Africa, personally I never give to these charities any more, they must have bought a life time supply of malaria nets and tablets by now surely....where is the money going, same thing every year, malaria, vaccination, water..... and no body ever asks!!! absolutely no accountability, I can see the issue with the Stacey Dooley pic, that said we live in an instagram world and if she posed alone there would be every more accusations.

[bots]

The whole point ( to me) of such charity events is to provide immediate relief to short term problems, like a failure of crops etc causing famine/shortages of water.

The money is just not being used as it was meant to be. It's also not helped by stars attaching themselves to such causes to promote their latest endeavour.

We have been giving for decades, it's clearly not a solution to the problem. Anyone that still donates to these causes is sadly wasting their money.

[Kazanne]

If people are going over their to promote donations etc,why does it matter what colour they are? surely the main purpose of Comic Relief is to help the needy ,so why is her colour of skin a problem ? :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

It wasn't about the colour of people helping, he was talking about the images shown on TV with little passive black orphans. The idea that Africans as swinging on trees until the white man got there has been prevalent for a while, which is where the "white saviours" stuff comes from. Don't have to go too far back in time to see any films showing Africans would show cannibal tribes with bones through their noses, when the actual history of Africa is completely different. They had bustling civilisations with embassies in Italy 500 years ago, ancient Egyptians were black Africans too.

Maybe a comic relief documentary about Europe's role in the modern plight of the continent might help people to see his point of view rather than "white people should stop giving money because one black person said something I don't like"

[Denver]

Why is he only coming out with it now

[Oliver_W]

Whinging about nothing. How about we just don't bother, and spend the money on other things?

[Livia]

It wasn't about the colour of people helping, he was talking about the images shown on TV with little passive black orphans. The idea that Africans as swinging on trees until the white man got there has been prevalent for a while, which is where the "white saviours" stuff comes from. Don't have to go too far back in time to see any films showing Africans would show cannibal tribes with bones through their noses, when the actual history of Africa is completely different. They had bustling civilisations with embassies in Italy 500 years ago, ancient Egyptians were black Africans too.

Maybe a comic relief documentary about Europe's role in the modern plight of the continent might help people to see his point of view rather than "white people should stop giving money because one black person said something I don't like"




If Lammy was the first wounded black person to kick out at white people over their generosity it wouldn't be so bad... but this isn't an isolated incident. It's been a long time since colonialism... and they've had, since then, an almost continual flow of cash from people, a lot of whom probably feel guilty because of all this 'wicked colonialists' crap that's still spouted without ever the balancing argument of what's happened since.

Africa is a mess... genocide, FGM, piracy corruption... and we're no longer responsible for that. They're *******ing up all on their own.

I support a few charities regularly including MSF, the Red Cross, and I sponsor two children in India. And like I say... I will not support Comic Relief this year, despite Lenny Henry weighing in in Stacey Dooley's defence. I mean, it's not the first time I've seen her in Africa, hugging a black person and highlighting an injustice.... the interfering bitch, eh. Lammy made it all about the colour of someone's skin, the awful bigot.

[arista]

Why is he only coming out with it now


Because he viewed
her first Instagram Photo and
it got him angry
the couple of words she wrote.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/28/12/10405722-6753703-image-a-63_1551356906200.jpg
He Rushed to the Live BBC debate in W1 London

[The Slim Reaper]

If Lammy was the first wounded black person to kick out at white people over their generosity it wouldn't be so bad... but this isn't an isolated incident. It's been a long time since colonialism... and they've had, since then, an almost continual flow of cash from people, a lot of whom probably feel guilty because of all this 'wicked colonialists' crap that's still spouted without ever the balancing argument of what's happened since.

Africa is a mess... genocide, FGM, piracy corruption... and we're no longer responsible for that. They're *******ing up all on their own.

I support a few charities regularly including MSF, the Red Cross, and I sponsor two children in India. And like I say... I will not support Comic Relief this year, despite Lenny Henry weighing in in Stacey Dooley's defence. I mean, it's not the first time I've seen her in Africa, hugging a black person and highlighting an injustice.... the interfering bitch, eh. Lammy made it all about the colour of someone's skin, the awful bigot.

Ahh, so if it was only one black person voicing concerns, you'd have been ok with that, but because it's a few of those uppity blacks then it's a problem.

I'd typed out a really long reply to this post going into the factors and reasons for the situation today, but in the end it doesn't matter what I write, so it's just easier to use the ignore function and keep it moving.

[Northern Monkey]

How about we as a society try our best to stop bringing each others race up constantly?

I’m unreservedly sorry for what people with my skin colour did generations ago.Is that good enough?

Now can we move on?

[arista]

How about we as a society try our best to stop bringing each others race up constantly?

I’m unreservedly sorry for what people with my skin colour did generations ago.Is that good enough?

Now can we move on?


No David Lammy Labour MP
is staying angry at the BBC in Africa
using white women.

[Alf]

The reply to Lammey is simple. Just tell him to fcuk off you prick. What's he gonna do?

[Northern Monkey]

s0oVp1nPrmE

[Cherie]

Ba ha ha

[Denver]

What is it with labour and hating on certain type of people

[arista]

s0oVp1nPrmE


Stupid Bitch
wasting Police Time


Tell Lammy off on Twitter
he can handle you Woman

[Alf]

Stupid Bitch
wasting Police Time


Tell Lammy off on Twitter
he can handle you Woman
She's not wasting his time, they're wasting their own time.

They've asked people to do this, and she's just showing how stupid that is.

She doesn't want Lammy arrested or silenced, she's doing it to show the hypocrisy of those who do like silencing people and have people arrested for their speech.

[Northern Monkey]

Seems Lammy’s race baiting has cost Comic Relief alot of money.

What a doughnut


David Lammy told to say sorry after Comic Relief donations drop by £8,000,000

Labour MP David Lammy has been urged to apologise over his ‘white saviour’ comments after this year’s Comic Relief saw ratings and donations tumble. Earlier this month, an image of Stacey Dooley holding a Ugandan child prompted Labour MP David Lammy to criticise Comic Relief, saying the charity fundraiser ‘tattooed images of poverty in Africa’ onto people’s minds – and suggesting, ‘The world does not need any more white saviours.’ In the wake of his comments, the show suffered a significant fall in donations, raising just £63 million, compared to £71.8 million in 2017.





https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/18/david-lammy-told-say-sorry-comic-relief-donations-drop-8-million-8920304/

[Beso]

He he's scum...I mentioned on the night that all the famous people in the documentaries were saying how r hey had no shame in doing what they were doing..and rightly so...but it made me curl my lip at the uk that they felt they had to do that.


Even lenny felt like he had to say something.



.10 quid minimum though...**** that.

[Beso]

It wasn't about the colour of people helping, he was talking about the images shown on TV with little passive black orphans. The idea that Africans as swinging on trees until the white man got there has been prevalent for a while, which is where the "white saviours" stuff comes from. Don't have to go too far back in time to see any films showing Africans would show cannibal tribes with bones through their noses, when the actual history of Africa is completely different. They had bustling civilisations with embassies in Italy 500 years ago, ancient Egyptians were black Africans too.

Maybe a comic relief documentary about Europe's role in the modern plight of the continent might help people to see his point of view rather than "white people should stop giving money because one black person said something I don't like"

But if you want a load of white folk to donate loads of money then you have to have those white folk in the documentaries...it's only black folk that are picking up on something that's just not there..



I do get his view on it and I would find that horrendous if that's what it was, but it just isn't. .who else can they send?