Madeleine McCann cops in Portugal are ‘probing NEW suspect’

[Niamh.]

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.


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That makes no sense what so ever considering they left their kids with "strangers" everyday in the kids club, I believe the complex had a child minding service using the same staff so.........

[AnnieK]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

I would have never left my child alone - ever. Here or in another country. I have never used a kids club on holiday. He has always been with me - it is after all a FAMILY holiday.

[Niamh.]

It’s still neglect


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Of course it is but nothing to do with the point I was making about people on holiday with children

[Niamh.]

I would have never left my child alone - ever. Here or in another country. I have never used a kids club on holiday. He has always been with me - it is after all a FAMILY holiday.

Me neither

[Zizu]

Of course it is but nothing to do with the point I was making about people on holiday with children


It shows that this type of neglect is perhaps more common than we think … you cast some doubt on the idea ..


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[Livia]

It feels like everyone wants to focus on how neglectful the family was - and they were definitely neglectful, there's no doubt. But I also don't doubt they've lived to regret that every single day since their daughter was taken, unless people are suggesting they're completely devoid of emotion. The person responsible ultimately is the person who took the child. It feels like that is often overlooked.

[Zizu]

That makes no sense what so ever considering they left their kids with "strangers" everyday in the kids club, I believe the complex had a child minding service using the same staff so.........


Mmmmm

I’d suggest that their kids would be ‘safer’ in broad daylight with other adults and children around compared to leaving a stranger in the chalet with their kids


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[Niamh.]

It shows that this type of neglect is perhaps more common than we think … you cast some doubt on the idea ..


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I was talking specifically about peoples habits I've noticed while on holiday with children which is what the conversation is about. We all know that there are plenty of neglectful parents around, that not a secret

[Zizu]

I was talking specifically about peoples habits I've noticed while on holiday with children which is what the conversation is about. We all know that there are plenty of neglectful parents around, that not a secret


So why are you accepting of neglect in the home but not on holidays ( when there’s nobody around to judge or report you ??

Surely these same parents are even more likely to leave their kids if they feel the resort is safe enough ?


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[Niamh.]

Mmmmm

The kids would be ‘safer’ in broad daylight with other adults and children around compared to leaving a stranger in your chalet with your kids


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Not safer than leaving them completely alone though, eh?

I think it was Ammi pointed out earlier, it's not even that you'd immediately jump to "what if some paedo is hanging around, waiting to take one of our children" there's loads of other scenarios that could happen from one of them waking up and falling to what if a fire breaks out all the way down to (the most likely to happen) one of them wakes up looking for me and I'm not there and is really upset with no adult there to comfort them?

[Niamh.]

So why are you accepting of neglect in the home but not on holidays ( when there’s nobody around to judge or report you ??

Surely these same parents are even more likely to leave their kids if they feel the resort is safe enough ?


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I was talking from my experiences of being on holiday as I said in every post I made about this. Also, I accept there's neglect on Holiday, aren't we just talking about such a case here? I was simply saying that most parents I've seen on holiday (myself included when my kids were young) would take their kids with them for dinner

[Zizu]

Not safer than leaving them completely alone though, eh?

I think it was Ammi pointed out earlier, it's not even that you'd immediately jump to "what if some paedo is hanging around, waiting to take one of our children" there's loads of other scenarios that could happen from one of them waking up and falling to what if a fire breaks out all the way down to (the most likely to happen) one of them wakes up looking for me and I'm not there and is really upset with no adult there to comfort them?


They made a call and sadly it ended in tragedy ..

I recall the dilemmas of choosing child minders - we only went with extremely highly recommended babysitters

Sadly the McCanns didn’t have that luxury ..


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[AnnieK]

They made a call and sadly it ended in tragedy ..

I recall the dilemmas of choosing child minders - we only went with extremely highly recommended babysitters

Sadly the McCanns didn’t have that luxury ..


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If they didn't have that luxury - they shouldn't have left them. Period...

[Niamh.]

They made a call and sadly it ended in tragedy ..

I recall the dilemmas of choosing child minders - we only went with extremely highly recommended babysitters

Sadly the McCanns didn’t have that luxury ..


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What does that even mean though? they didn't have access to highly recommended baby sitters that they knew personally so the only other option was to leave them alone? Come off it now. They had options, they could use the hotels baby sitting service(which had child minders they probably already knew from the kids club) or they could eat out earlier with their children or they could eat in the apartment after they'd gone to bed

[Zizu]

I was talking from my experiences of being on holiday as I said in every post I made about this. Also, I accept there's neglect on Holiday, aren't we just talking about such a case here? I was simply saying that most parents I've seen on holiday (myself included when my kids were young) would take their kids with them for dinner


I agree !!
We were the same as you BUT more couples than you think simply decide to take that risk whilst on holidays .. it’s almost certainly down to them wanting to relax and drink with friends at a bar .. then maybe the drink takes over and further impairs their decision making


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[Beso]

But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.



So it was defiantly a man then?

[Zizu]

What does that even mean though? they didn't have access to highly recommended baby sitters that they knew personally so the only other option was to leave them alone? Come off it now. They had options, they could use the hotels baby sitting service(which had child minders they probably already knew from the kids club) or they could eat out earlier with their children or they could eat in the apartment after they'd gone to bed


Like I said during the day at a kid’s club there are more adults around ( and children)

That is entirely different to leaving a complete stranger alone in your chalet with your kids and any valuables IMHO


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[Zizu]

So it was defiantly a man then?


The odds suggest so , yes

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[Niamh.]

The odds suggest so , yes


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The odds would suggest it was a parent/family friend/relative actually

[Ammi]

They made a call and sadly it ended in tragedy ..

I recall the dilemmas of choosing child minders - we only went with extremely highly recommended babysitters

Sadly the McCanns didn’t have that luxury ..


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…and surely that’s the crux of it and of what’s being said in the thread…the decision was made and all events that evening in regards to Madeleine, stemmed from that decision…I believe that also has been the same thoughts that were expressed by Kate’s mother, the children’s grandmother of how they should never have been left alone…Kate and Gerry I’m sure have suffered dreadfully for the last 18 years for their decision on that evening and their actions that evening …and Madeleine can’t be left out of that, sadly…but for many parents, that would not have ever been ok is what’s being said because that’s the truth of it…

[Niamh.]

Like I said during the day at a kid’s club there are more adults around ( and children)

That is entirely different to leaving a complete stranger alone in your chalet with your kids and any valuables IMHO


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These child minders would have to be vetted by the Hotel I would imagine. So safer than leaving 2 two year olds and a 3 year old (who according to Kate had told her she had woken up the previous night and was crying because she couldn't find her) alone .......

[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

These child minders would have to be vetted by the Hotel I would imagine. So safer than leaving 2 two year olds and a 3 year old (who according to Kate had told her she had woken up the previous night and was crying because she couldn't find her) alone .......


Would you really trust the judgement of a hotel who will be paying the bare minimum to all employees ??


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[Niamh.]

The odds suggest so , yes

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If it was a paedo but there is Zero evidence to say she was taken by a paedo is there?

[Niamh.]

Would you really trust the judgement of a hotel who will be paying the bare minimum to all employees ??


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I wouldn't leave my children in the first place however if my only two options (for some bizarre reason) was to leave 3 children under 4 alone in the apartment or hire a babysitter through the Hotel I'd be taking the latter option :shrug:

[Zizu]

If it was a paedo but there is Zero evidence to say she was taken by a paedo is there?


Surely the odds suggest that it would be though compared to the other options

A paedophile
A loving mum and dad
A complete random stranger


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[Zizu]

I wouldn't leave my children in the first place however if my only two options (for some bizarre reason) was to leave 3 children under 4 alone in the apartment or hire a babysitter through the Hotel I'd be taking the latter option :shrug:


None of us here would …


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[Glenn.]

None of us here would …


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Then why are you defending it

[Beso]

Then why are you defending it



:joker:

[Niamh.]

Surely the odds suggest that it would be though compared to the other options

A paedophile
A loving mum and dad
A complete random stranger


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As you keep ignoring, chances are most likely for it to have been the parents, odds wise.

[thesheriff443]

How can you compare getting distracted in a Supermarket to leaving 3 virtual babies alone in an apartment while you went out drinking with your friends? Crazy. There are actual laws about leaving children that young alone like that

You word it to make it suit your agenda they were on holiday from memory the apartment was 150 metres from we’re they were sitting
And they were checking on them

They didn’t book a holiday and left the kids at home

[Niamh.]

You word it to make it suit your agenda they were on holiday from memory the apartment was 150 metres from we’re they were sitting
And they were checking on them

They didn’t book a holiday and left the kids at home

I don't have an agenda, why would I want it to be her parents? I'm just looking at the evidence in front of me :shrug: I would have to go and look this up again but iirc it was 150/200metres away "as the crow flies" but there was a swimming pool in between (where the unlocked patio door opened on to another major danger to leaving them alone at night) and you had to take a longer walk along the main road to actually get to the front door

[Beso]

You word it to make it suit your agenda they were on holiday from memory the apartment was 150 metres from we’re they were sitting
And they were checking on them

They didn’t book a holiday and left the kids at home

150 metres is obviously to far. Far to exhausting for one person to keep checking all night, perhaps that's why the mcannns had other non relative adults take their turn to check their private hotel room that their kids were alone in...



Couple of weirdos imo.

[joeysteele]

There's as much evidence of a stranger having kidnapped Maddie as any other theory in this case (which is zero) The one thing we do know for sure is that Maddies parents left her and her younger siblings alone in the apartment and went out for the evening. Perhaps that is why people tend to focus on that part of it. So far there has been no link between this German guy and Maddie other than he was in that area at the time

I'll just add my agreement to this post too.

[Zizu]

Then why are you defending it


People are all different

They are possibly in the minority, who knows

They made a decision that ended tragically, I just don’t believe that they are monsters and I feel so sorry for all the grief ( from all sides) that they have had to live with every minute since that terrible night


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[Glenn.]

People are all different

They are possibly in the minority, who knows

They made a decision that ended tragically, I just don’t believe that they are monsters and I feel so sorry for all the grief ( from all sides) that they have had to live with every minute since that terrible night


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I don’t feel sorry for them one bit. I believe they are monsters who should have face criminal charges.

[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

When she first disappeared her parents struggled to get the Portuguese authorities to take it seriously, turning to the media to make appeals for anyone who might have seen her.
The apartment from which she vanished while her parents were having a meal at a nearby restaurant on the holiday complex was not properly sealed off, so vital forensic clues were lost.
Searches at the time were not rigorous and seemed unstructured. For a while, her own parents Gerry and Kate McCann fell under suspicion.
On and off tensions between the Portuguese and British police ran through those early years. From 2011, the Metropolitan Police took the lead, spending more than £13m. Fresh searches took place in 2014 but it seemed that time had obscured any evidence that might lead to the person responsible for her abduction.
Then in 2020, everything changed when prosecutors in Braunschweig, Germany, and officers from the BKA (Bundeskriminalamt) - the German equivalent of the FBI - said they had a suspect. Not just a suspect for the disappearance of Madeleine, but a suspect for her murder - a word never used by the British police.
It became clear that their suspect is Christian Brückner, who was jailed in Germany in 2019 for raping an elderly American woman in Portugal in 2005.
A drifter and petty criminal, he had spent much of his time between 2000 and 2017 in the Algarve.
The Braunschweig prosecutors, led by Hans Christian Wolters, believe Brückner may have committed many more sexual offences in Portugal.
But he was acquitted at a trial last year of three counts of rape and two counts of sexually assaulting children. Through his lawyers he has also adamantly denied any link to Madeleine.
The publicly-known evidence against him is based on comments he is alleged to have made to a friend about Madeleine's death, and on the fact a phone linked to him was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.
It now seems that there was some data available to the Portuguese police all along about who might have been in the town that night. Data that could have been mapped against known criminals, and that might have led to more targeted searches in 2007 or the years that followed.
But as we stand on the Trilho dos Pescadores watching the German detectives searching through ruined buildings and old wells for Madeleine's body or anything that might give some clues to her disappearance, it all feels like it is 18 years too late.


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[Zizu]

The Braunschweig prosecutors, led by Hans Christian Wolters, believe Brückner may have committed many more sexual offences in Portugal.
But he was acquitted at a trial last year of three counts of rape and two counts of sexually assaulting children. Through his lawyers he has also adamantly denied any link to Madeleine.
The publicly-known evidence against him is based on comments he is alleged to have made to a friend about Madeleine's death, and on the FACT that a phone linked to him was in Praia da Luz on the night she disappeared.


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[Redway]

It’s not ever going to end, is it?

[Zizu]

It’s not ever going to end, is it?


Hopefully it will end with these latest findings and searches ..


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[Mystic Mock]

This.

I'm not going to speculate on this case anymore, it regularly keeps coming up in the news.
Generally with nothing more substantiated in the end.

I recall long debates on here years back, as to what could have been what happened.
I was strongly persuaded by a very determined Chuff me dizzy on this that these parents know much more than they've said.
She didn't hold back and was convincing.
That's all I'll now say on it except for a lot of the behaviour of the parents has always been extremely odd in my view.
As I said Chuff, convinced me more about this sad, tragic and unnecessary loss of a child.
Which certainly was a result in a big part by the NEGLIGENCE of BOTH parents at the time.

Chuff was always very good at making a convincing argument.

[Mystic Mock]

…I am very glad that the twins weren’t removed from their care…I think their world would have been scary enough and completely turned upside down enough that the best thing for them at the time was the consistency of being in the care of their parents …and with all of the scrutiny as well from authorities and agencies and the media etc…from every angle and perspective, I feel their safety was fairly assured as well as being in the best place emotionally even with all of the chaos ….anyway, apparently they’re both doing very well in their lives and one of the twins, Shaun is a potential Olympic athlete/swimmer and I just can’t help but feel that at the time after Madeleine’s disappearance…to have placed them into care would have been more detrimental and damaging to them than anything else…

I see where you're coming from.

And I hope that Shaun has a successful Swimming career.

[Mystic Mock]

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

It wouldn't surprise me if them not being Working Class has shielded them from the law either.

Because the UK is still a bit backwards when it comes to the class system.

[bots]

as i've said before, DNA evidence is the only thing that will solve this case, everything else is just noise

[Vicky.]

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.


Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann decided not to employ a £10-an-hour babysitter to look after Madeleine, three, and two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, while they went for dinner, because they "don't like leaving them with strangers", their family said.
Mrs McCann's mother, Susan Healy, said the couple had made a mistake in leaving the children alone, but criticism of them was totally unjustified

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That's a ridiculous excuse..

[Gusto Brunt]

Maybe the door was locked and a window left ajar ?

Also that video (even if it was genuine) could have been taken anytime before or after that fateful night


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The guy gives me the chills.

[Zizu]

The guy gives me the chills.


Because I think outside the box ?

I find it concerning that you are so desperate to believe that her parents were involved.

That thought would never cross my mind

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[Niamh.]

Because I think outside the box ?

I find it concerning that you are so desperate to believe that her parents were involved.

That thought would never cross my mind

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I presume Gusto is talking about Gerry McCann Zizu

[bots]

nobody knows what really went down. We know the parents could have been more responsible when it happened. We know they have been less than helpful on occasion. We know the Portuguese police were incompetent. We know the parents knew some high up members of the then labour government. Apart from that, we know nothing

[Niamh.]

nobody knows what really went down. We know the parents could have been more responsible when it happened. We know they have been less than helpful on occasion. We know the Portuguese police were incompetent. We know the parents knew some high up members of the then labour government. Apart from that, we know nothing

Exactly, there's no proof at all either that someone broke in and took her but people are happy to run with that and refer to the McCanns as "loving parents" when they're absolute strangers to them (and to all of us) People talk about odds and what's more likely, ignoring that in actual fact if you're talking odds, it's more likely that the parents were involved than an opportunistic stranger breaking in and snatching her. Not saying that's definitely what happened of course but as you say none of us know because there's no evidence either way (unless you count the dogs of course but I don't believe that is admissible in court)

[Zizu]

I presume Gusto is talking about Gerry McCann Zizu


Or the suspect or me ?

Who knows

Apologies to Gusto though in hindsight

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[Zizu]

Exactly, there's no proof at all either that someone broke in and took her but people are happy to run with that and refer to the McCanns as "loving parents" when they're absolute strangers to them (and to all of us) People talk about odds and what's more likely, ignoring that in actual fact if you're talking odds, it's more likely that the parents were involved than an opportunistic stranger breaking in and snatching her. Not saying that's definitely what happened of course but as you say none of us know because there's no evidence either way (unless you count the dogs of course but I don't believe that is admissible in court)


What about the facts that a known child molester / paedo was in the town the very night she disappeared according to phone his records in the possession of the police ?

Yet some would rather believe the parents killed her ?


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[bots]

What about the facts that a known child molester / paedo was in the town the very night she disappeared according to phone his records in the possession of the police ?

Yet some would rather believe the parents killed her ?


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there is likely a known child molester on every street in this country, it's a lot more common than you seem to imply

[caprimint]

People are all different

They are possibly in the minority, who knows

They made a decision that ended tragically, I just don’t believe that they are monsters and I feel so sorry for all the grief ( from all sides) that they have had to live with every minute since that terrible night


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I agree

There are probably so many decisions we've all made that could have taken an awful turn depending on what happened, obviously we don't know they weren't involved and I'm still not really sure what I think about the situation tbh but it's not really helpful to blame them regardless

[Niamh.]

What about the facts that a known child molester / paedo was in the town the very night she disappeared according to phone his records in the possession of the police ?

Yet some would rather believe the parents killed her ?


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there is likely a known child molester on every street in this country, it's a lot more common than you seem to imply

Exactly what BOTS said.

I don't want to believe the parents did something to her, why would I want to believe that? Also if they did, it could be covering up her accidental death because they drugged her so she would sleep while they were out. I'm not suggesting they killed her or did anything to her to purposely cause her death. There are many possibilities

[Zizu]

Exactly what BOTS said.

I don't want to believe the parents did something to her, why would I want to believe that? Also if they did, it could be covering up her accidental death because they drugged her so she would sleep while they were out. I'm not suggesting they killed her or did anything to her to purposely cause her death. There are many possibilities


I was referring to the others in here who seem to be unwaveringly convinced that the parents did unthinkable things that night


“ yet SOME in here “

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[Gusto Brunt]

Because I think outside the box ?

I find it concerning that you are so desperate to believe that her parents were involved.

That thought would never cross my mind

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It's not desperation. :laugh:

It's just nothing adds up with the McCanns. There story is full of holes and nothing they say makes any sense.

Check out former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral's book about the McCanns and missing Maddie, titled The Truth of the Lie (A Verdade Da Mentira). He makes some excellent points no one can say isn't true.

Also, the McCanns tried to sue him but failed to win

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[arista]

The German Police Team
used a JCB digger in some locations

[Jessica.]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

I wouldn't even go down to the bins with my son still in the house alone, it's absolutely bizarre to even consider.

[Ammi]

Police have been scouring scrubland and abandoned structures near the Portuguese town of Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old British girl was last seen 18 years ago.

They spent two days focusing on one particular derelict building, using a ground-penetrating radar on the cobbled ground after clearing the area of debris and vegetation.

There was an option to extend the search until tomorrow if any clues had been found - but officers turned up "nothing of consequence".

…full article…

https://www.lbc.co.uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-ends-three-days/

[Zizu]

I heard something about them finding a hard drive and some memory sticks buried under a buried dead dog …


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[Ammi]

Shocking new Madeleine McCann claim that British man and his 'drunk' German wife ran the child over then dumped the body at sea emerges in Portuguese media report

German prosecutors have been accused by Portuguese media of failing to properly investigate a claim that Madeleine McCann was run over by a drunk driver.

Portuguese officers allegedly received a tip about a British man who was 'covering up a dark secret' about his German wife running over Madeleine while drunk, then hiding the body.

But German authorities rejected a Portuguese request to use an undercover police officer to try to befriend the wife and firm up their suspicions, Portuguese daily Correio da Manha has claimed.


…full article…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14786711/Shocking-new-Madeleine-McCann-theory-British-man-drunk-German-wife-ran-child-dumped-body-sea-emerges-Portuguese-media-report.html

[arista]

Germans now leaving

[Ammi]

Germans now leaving

…yes, it seemed like a very short renewed search of a now major suspect…not that I feel that anything in any search will be uncovered now of any significance after all of this time…

[Niamh.]

So it was definitely the paedo guy but now it's a couple who knocked her down? So are they now saying she woke up and went outside? So not snatched from her bed? [emoji849]

[Ammi]

So it was definitely the paedo guy but now it's a couple who knocked her down? So are they now saying she woke up and went outside? So not snatched from her bed? [emoji849]

…I think that it’s a ‘theory’ based in very little at all so doubt that it’ll gain any traction other than that DM article…but also nothing of any relevance has been found in this new search apparently….and the paedophile, Brueckner is due to be freed from prison in Germany in a few months, in September…with no charges been made with regards to Madeleine…

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

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Is she okay in the head?:umm2:

[arista]

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[Ammi]

…I mean they just don’t know, do they…apparently Christian Brueckner is due to be released from prison within weeks…and only a short while ago it was being reported that he most likely took Madeleine and killed her…and now as he’s released, it’s another theory…all just theories …

[Niamh.]

…I mean they just don’t know, do they…apparently Christian Brueckner is due to be released from prison within weeks…and only a short while ago it was being reported that he most likely took Madeleine and killed her…and now as he’s released, it’s another theory…all just theories …

It's silly really, no one is ever going to know what happened for sure imo. Far too much time has passed now

[bots]

the only thing that will resolve this now is dna evidence or equivalent

[Crimson Dynamo]

It could have been any parent in that area on that fatefull day

It just was the bad luck of Kate

[Niamh.]

It could have been any parent in that area on that fatefull day

It just was the bad luck of Kate

:laugh:

[Ammi]

…Christian Brueckner has just been released from prison…a rapist and paedophile and apparent prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance and he’s now back in society…it’s a crazy world …

[arista]

…Christian Brueckner has just been released from prison…a rapist and paedophile and apparent prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance and he’s now back in society…it’s a crazy world …


Yes Today
Due to German Technical Laws.

[Zizu]

It could have been any parent in that area on that fatefull day

It just was the bad luck of Kate


I tend to agree .. The treatment of the parents has ranged from uncaring to barbaric .

They would have been better advised to not have left their kids alone but they aren’t the only ones to have done that ..

We never left our kids unattended EVER but I am an obsessive worrier .


Another factor is that we are not drinkers and so many people are hooked / addicted to alcohol that it completely rules their lives - such a shame all those lives ruined just so mum and dad could have a few drinks at the end of the day .


An example is at my last place of work all the women went away for an annual long weekend to the Lake District .. the only talking point leading up to Friday was how much alcohol they should take and who was taking what …


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[thesheriff443]

:laugh:

It’s not funny, regardless of what you think of Kate , it’s a little girl at the end of the day.

[Niamh.]

It’s not funny, regardless of what you think of Kate , it’s a little girl at the end of the day.

Oh pack it in, I was laughing at LT not what happened to the child

[thesheriff443]

Oh pack it in, I was laughing at LT not what happened to the child

It’s serious debates not chat and games

[Niamh.]

It’s serious debates not chat and games

:rolleyes:

[arista]

…Christian Brueckner has just been released from prison…a rapist and paedophile and apparent prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance and he’s now back in society…it’s a crazy world …


Yes now Free


1994 in Germany, Brueckner had a 6-year-old girl
he committed Rape on her,
when he was aged 17


He also now has an Electronic Tag On
for the Next 5 Years

So he can be tracked.


5PM Ch5HDnews Live

[Zizu]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36718962/madeleine-mccann-stolen-paedo-network-child-killer/


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[Crimson Dynamo]

She could have been stolen away on the beach, in a shop, in the street.

There was nothing the poor McCanns could have done, like any good loving parents

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/04/29/TELEMMGLPICT000127216729_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidth= 350

[Barry.]

I sadly doubt they we will find out the truth of this ever.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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I heard something yesterday about this new story -the suggestion was the police had new evidence and were close to having a good case to bring a prosecution


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[arista]

I heard something yesterday about this new story -the suggestion was the police had new evidence and were close to having a good case to bring a prosecution




Sure
But he is Free now,
in Europe.


How will they ever get to him?

[Zizu]

Sure
But he is Free now,
in Europe.


How will they ever get to him?


He’s supposedly being tracked ..

Electric tag maybe BUT he could easily break or cut that off ..

Maybe they’ve put a microchip in his body somewhere


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[Kazanne]

She could have been stolen away on the beach, in a shop, in the street.

There was nothing the poor McCanns could have done, like any good loving parents

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/04/29/TELEMMGLPICT000127216729_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidth= 350

Well they could have got a babysitter or stayed with them,so although I feel for them they did play a part.

[rusticgal]

She could have been stolen away on the beach, in a shop, in the street.

There was nothing the poor McCanns could have done, like any good loving parents

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/04/29/TELEMMGLPICT000127216729_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidth= 350



But they made it easy for them and left her and her two siblings in an unlocked villa unattended :shrug:

[Zizu]

Well they could have got a babysitter or stayed with them,so although I feel for them they did play a part.


Yeah they made a poor decision to leave their precious children alone ( and in a foreign country ) but they will suffer the pain forever


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[Ammi]

…I don’t feel that the McCann’s made a poor decision, I feel that they made a bizarre/extraordinary decision not only to leave three children alone who were all babies of 3yrs and below…but added to that, they left them (…again…)…immediately after Kate had the conversation with Madeleine with her asking her mother why no one came when they were crying the night before…?…and the response to that was to leave them alone again…that isn’t poor parenting, that’s very disturbing parenting…and if the ‘Christian B theories’ were/are actually correct then I think undoubtedly, poor Madeleine would have suffered the pain forever as well…her forever though was a very short one in terms of her life…

…I honestly don’t believe that she’s still alive…

[rusticgal]

…I don’t feel that the McCann’s made a poor decision, I feel that they made a bizarre/extraordinary decision not only to leave three children alone who were all babies of 3yrs and below…but added to that, they left them (…again…)…immediately after Kate had the conversation with Madeleine with her asking her mother why no one came when they were crying the night before…?…and the response to that was to leave them alone again…that isn’t poor parenting, that’s very disturbing parenting…and if the ‘Christian B theories’ were/are actually correct then I think undoubtedly, poor Madeleine would have suffered the pain forever as well…her forever though was a very short one in terms of her life…

…I honestly don’t believe that she’s still alive…


For everything you say here Ammi, leaving any young child unattended in an unlocked villa whilst you dine in a nearby restaurant with friends was a poor decision in itself...and after hearing that her daughter was crying the night before when they did the same thing just makes what they did one hundred times worse.
I do not think they killed her but unfortunately their actions led to her demise...and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

[Ammi]

For everything you say here Ammi, leaving any young child unattended in an unlocked villa whilst you dine in a nearby restaurant with friends was a poor decision in itself...and after hearing that her daughter was crying the night before when they did the same thing just makes what they did one hundred times worse.
I do not think they killed her but unfortunately their actions led to her demise...and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

…absolutely, I’m with you with everything you’ve said, Rusti…it’s just so difficult to imagine parents leaving their small children again immediately after one of the children has stated that they were crying out for them and where were they, isn’t it…

[arista]

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[Zizu]

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[Niamh.]

I still think the only evidence(Cadaver & Blood dog indications) points to Maddie having died in that apartment

[thesheriff443]

I still think the only evidence(Cadaver & Blood dog indications) points to Maddie having died in that apartment

I’ve gone back and forth over the years

But I believe she was kidnapped and killed by a third party and the local police screwed up the investigation by accusing the parents and not doing the basics

You have a convicted paedo / rapist living very close and women had been attacked in their apartment previously to the kidnapping so it points to that person

Plus this story is to big and gone on for too long for the cracks not to appear in the parents story

Intelligent people make stupid mistakes

[Niamh.]

I’ve gone back and forth over the years

But I believe she was kidnapped and killed by a third party and the local police screwed up the investigation by accusing the parents and not doing the basics

You have a convicted paedo / rapist living very close and women had been attacked in their apartment previously to the kidnapping so it points to that person

Plus this story is to big and gone on for too long for the cracks not to appear in the parents story

Intelligent people make stupid mistakes

Unfortunately there are paedophiles in most areas. No doubt there were big mistakes made in the early investigation and I'm quite sure we are never going to know for sure what happened to her but the only psychical evidence points to her having died in the apartment. There were cracks in the parents story by the way

[Ammi]

Unfortunately there are paedophiles in most areas. No doubt there were big mistakes made in the early investigation and I'm quite sure we are never going to know for sure what happened to her but the only psychical evidence points to her having died in the apartment. There were cracks in the parents story by the way


…yeah, this for me as well is my thought in terms of Christian B and his claims…it’s less any kind of weird coincidence and more an inevitability/predictability that there will be paedophiles in holiday areas especially when they know that children and families are going to be there…I do think with him it could be the evil workings of his mind that he’s saying these things just to cruelly taunt the police and use up their time and resources etc…


…anyway, I guess that the crux of it is with Christian B…he’s raped children and he’s raped the elderly…I have no store in anything he says or claims as being truth unless there is absolute evidence that indicates otherwise…

[Niamh.]

…yeah, this for me as well is my thought in terms of Christian B and his claims…it’s less coincidence and more inevitable that there will be paedophiles in holiday areas especially when they know that children and families are going to be there…I do think with him it could be the evil workings of his mind that he’s saying these things just to cruelly taunt the police and use up their time and resources etc…

Yes I think so too. Despicable person

[arista]

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[Ammi]

…kind of related …the alleged/accused stalker of the McCann’s trial has begun…she claimed to be Madeline…(…I think that she’s claimed to be other people as well tbh…)…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/julie-wandel-madeliene-mccann-trial-stalking-family-142039845.html

[Zizu]

…kind of related …the alleged/accused stalker of the McCann’s trial has begun…she claimed to be Madeline…(…I think that she’s claimed to be other people as well tbh…)…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/julie-wandel-madeliene-mccann-trial-stalking-family-142039845.html


Why would you pretend to be someone who had a 1 in a tenbillion eyeball ?


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[Ammi]

Why would you pretend to be someone who had a 1 in a tenbillion eyeball ?


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…well, she’s allegedly claimed to be other people also, so I’m not sure that rational/logical thought processing really applies…

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

That poor family just cant catch a break, how much bad luck have they to deal with??

[Glenn.]

Self inflicted bad luck.

[arista]

[The recently released suspect in the
Madeleine McCann case is camping
on the edge of a city in northern Germany.]

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[OnTheRight]

[The recently released suspect in the
Madeleine McCann case is camping
on the edge of a city in northern Germany.]

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