Madeleine McCann cops in Portugal are ‘probing NEW suspect’

[Josy]

Madeleine McCann cops in Portugal are ‘probing NEW suspect’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8968146/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-clue-suspect/

[Niamh.]

I'm sure there's a new article like this every few months "new lead" " new suspect" blah blah

[Liam-]

Pointless if it’s anyone but the parents

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1:


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[Glenn.]

Pointless if it’s anyone but the parents

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[chuff me dizzy]

Absolute load of boll**** ,Im in Maddie groups and have been for 11.5 years, here's the response from admin in the best groups on the case


Morning everyone. Just a quick post, we won't be sharing any of the articles that claim Portuguese police are looking at a new suspect. This story came from Correio da Manha, a paper notorious for its lies about the case, and was then taken up by The Sun, a paper we never share. We don't want to assist these two papers in the spreading of fake news, so we won't.
Thank you.

[arista]

Madeleine McCann inquiry to end after
11 years – and chief suspect might not be charged

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/20/investigation-into-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-to-end-16309425/

Good the Police are Stopping their expensive search

[Alf]

What ever happened with those sniffer dogs and the evidence that came from them? I remember watching something about some dogs who sniffed out that a dead body had been in the apartment and a dead body had been in a rental car used by the McCann's.

[Niamh.]

What ever happened with those sniffer dogs and the evidence that came from them? I remember watching something about some dogs who sniffed out that a dead body had been in the apartment and a dead body had been in a rental car used by the McCann's.I guess they needed a body, the Portuguese did have the McCanns listed as people of interest after that. Anyway like I thought that "new lead" went no where again

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[GoldHeart]

Parents were involved,you will never convince otherwise.

And they're still guilty of NEGLECT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parents were involved,you will never convince otherwise.

And they're still guilty of NEGLECT.

thankfully you dont work in the law

and we have professionals who do

they are not guilty of anything

[Glenn.]

Except leaving their 4yr old child alone to go out drinking

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[The Slim Reaper]

I don't believe the McCann's did it. They should have been charged with neglect, but that's about the height of it. After all this time, the only way someone gets caught for this now is either a confession, or there was more than one person involved and someone within that group gets caught for something else so starts pointing fingers to save themselves.

[rusticgal]

I don't believe the McCann's did it. They should have been charged with neglect, but that's about the height of it. After all this time, the only way someone gets caught for this now is either a confession, or there was more than one person involved and someone within that group gets caught for something else so starts pointing fingers to save themselves.


I agree...

[Niamh.]

I don't believe the McCann's did it. They should have been charged with neglect, but that's about the height of it. After all this time, the only way someone gets caught for this now is either a confession, or there was more than one person involved and someone within that group gets caught for something else so starts pointing fingers to save themselves.Or a body eventually turns up (pretty unlikely at this point though)

[The Slim Reaper]

Or a body eventually turns up (pretty unlikely at this point though)

Unless it's a serial killer like the Dexter cold blood dude, there would be absolutely nothing of use forensically after all this time. Best case scenario is that the idiot buried her on his own property or kept a trophy or something equally stupid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id imagine the body went into the foundations fo a new build and was concreted over

[arista]

Id imagine the body went into the foundations for a new build and was concreted over


Yes, could well be that.

[GoldHeart]

Except leaving their 4yr old child alone to go out drinking

Apparently that's ok Glenn

[Crimson Dynamo]

Apparently that's ok Glenn

if they committed a crime can you specify which one we all missed?

ill just put the kettle on

[Niamh.]

if they committed a crime can you specify which one we all missed?



ill just put the kettle onChild neglect and I don't think most people missed it

[AnnieK]

Child neglect and I don't think m9st people missed it

Exactly....LT was first to call it out on another thread recently with a young girl who left her kids and something happened. It was pointed out at the time that it seems its only criminal to leave a child if you're not Kate McCann

[Crimson Dynamo]

Child neglect and I don't think most people missed it

is an opinion only

and everyone has an opinion how other people bring up their kids

including others having an opinion how you bring up yours

[Niamh.]

Exactly....LT was first to call it out on another thread recently with a young girl who left her kids and something happened. It was pointed out at the time that it seems its only criminal to leave a child if you're not Kate McCannShe probably wasn't a Doctor though

[Niamh.]

is an opinion only



and everyone has an opinion how other people bring up their kids



including others having an opinion how you bring up yoursIt isn't an opinion that they left 3 children under 4 years old (so 3 babies really) alone in an unlocked apartment while they went out drinking, they've admitted as much.

[Liam-]

If they were on benefits, or black, they’d have had the other kids taken off of them for the very blatant neglect they showed towards their children, yes their child was allegedly kidnapped, but even if that’s true, that child wouldn’t have been kidnapped if they had been better parents, so why they’re treated like the ultimate victims is quite bizarre to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It isn't an opinion that they left 3 children under 4 years old (so 3 babies really) alone in an unlocked apartment while they went out drinking, they've admitted as much.

and your opinion is its neglect

its certainly not their opinion

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they went for supper

saying they went drinking is pure tabloid rubbish

[AnnieK]

and they went for supper

saying they went drinking is pure tabloid rubbish


Considering they themselves said they ordered wine that night, its not tabloid rubbish at all really is it. Unless you're accusing them of lying??

[Redway]

Anyone know when this is going to be over?

[Redway]

If they were on benefits, or black, they’d have had the other kids taken off of them for the very blatant neglect they showed towards their children, yes their child was allegedly kidnapped, but even if that’s true, that child wouldn’t have been kidnapped if they had been better parents, so why they’re treated like the ultimate victims is quite bizarre to me.

Yup.

[AnnieK]

and your opinion is its neglect

its certainly not their opinion

I would hope it would be the vast majority of parents opinions. I would take a very dim view of any parent leaving 3 babies alone in a foreign country at night,particularly when one child even told.the parents they were crying the previous evening because they were scared and alone. But hey ho, if you don't think that's neglect and questionable, that's your choice. I just hope the next time a story comes up about a child being left home alone, you are equally as charitable.to that neglectful parent, unless you feel ok with double standards?

[GoldHeart]

If they were on benefits, or black, they’d have had the other kids taken off of them for the very blatant neglect they showed towards their children, yes their child was allegedly kidnapped, but even if that’s true, that child wouldn’t have been kidnapped if they had been better parents, so why they’re treated like the ultimate victims is quite bizarre to me.

:clap1:
Exactly
Who in their right mind leaves 3 BABIES alone, in a foreign country in an apartment alone.

[Jordan.]

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spine chilling

[Niamh.]

and your opinion is its neglect



its certainly not their opinionIf it was their opinion they would still have 3 children [emoji2368]

[The Slim Reaper]

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[thesheriff443]

You can be in the same room as your child and they can die of an accident or foul play
Parents make mistakes

We don’t know how much of an impact those kids being left alone had until we know who was responsible for what happened to maddie

[Niamh.]

You can be in the same room as your child and they can die of an accident or foul play
Parents make mistakes

We don’t know how much of an impact those kids being left alone had until we know who was responsible for what happened to maddieChildren can drown in the same pool as a parent that doesn't mean that you just leave them swim unsupervised, that would be deliberately neglectful

[thesheriff443]

Children can drown in the same pool as a parent that doesn't mean that you just leave them swim unsupervised, that would be deliberately neglectful

You are taking what I said down a different route

Kids could be playing in the garden and the parent popping outside every so often to check on them, there is a grey area

It’s only when things go wrong that things come out.

[Niamh.]

You are taking what I said down a different route



Kids could be playing in the garden and the parent popping outside every so often to check on them, there is a grey area



It’s only when things go wrong that things come out.I'm not taking it to a different area at all

[thesheriff443]

I'm not taking it too a different area at all

You are by coming up with a scenario of deliberate neglect

It’s not deliberate neglect in the McCann case because they were checking on them, if they just left them in a room and went out for the night it would be deliberate neglect

[Niamh.]

You are by coming up with a scenario of deliberate neglect



It’s not deliberate neglect in the McCann case because they were checking on them, if they just left them in a room and went out for the night it would be deliberate neglectIt was absolutely deliberate neglect, especially when you have the extra information that Madeleine had actually woken up the night before and told her parents she was scared because she couldn't find them.

[thesheriff443]

It was absolutely deliberate neglect, especially when you have the extra information that Madeleine had actually woken up the night before and told her parents she was scared because she couldn't find them.

The police don’t agree with you and I don’t either

Until we know the facts like was those kids being left on their own was to cover up a crime we will have to agree to disagree

And would a piss poor sentence for neglect be worse than living with the fact your bad judgment lead to maddie being lost.

[Niamh.]

The police don’t agree with you and I don’t either



Until we know the facts like was those kids being left on their own was to cover up a crime we will have to agree to disagree



And would a piss poor sentence for neglect be worse than living with the fact your bad judgment lead to maddie being lost.3 babies being left alone, at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country is neglect, you telling me it isn't doesn't change my mind about that

[thesheriff443]

3 babies being left alone, at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country is neglect, you telling me it isn't doesn't change my mind about that

I’m not trying to change your mind
The situation didn’t meet the grounds for neglect because they were being checked on regardless of it being a stupid thing to do.

[GoldHeart]

I’m not trying to change your mind
The situation didn’t meet the grounds for neglect because they were being checked on regardless of it being a stupid thing to do.

Why didn't 1 of them atleast stay with the children that night,why did BOTH parents have to go out partying.

If they didn't want a family holiday then why take their kids with them , just to then LEAVE them ALONE .

I don't care how many times they claimed to "check" on them ,they still neglected them .

[thesheriff443]

Why didn't 1 of them atleast stay with the children that night,why did BOTH parents have to go out partying.

If they didn't want a family holiday then why take their kids with them , just to then LEAVE them ALONE .

I don't care how many times they claimed to "check" on them ,they still neglected them .

Capital letters won’t help I’m afraid or saying they were partying, it was a meal
It was a family holiday that included other families
It’s doesn’t matter how strongly you feel about something
Facts are more important than opinions

[AnnieK]

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

[rusticgal]

They were guilty of neglect…sitting in a restaurant some distance away leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment was unforgivable. Personally I don’t believe they killed her…but their neglect was the reason someone was able to take her. Had they been with them it would simply not have happened.

[arista]

Madeleine McCann inquiry to end after
11 years – and chief suspect might not be charged

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/20/investigation-into-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-to-end-16309425/

Good the Police are Stopping their expensive search


This is Good News

[thesheriff443]

They were guilty of neglect…sitting in a restaurant some distance away leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment was unforgivable. Personally I don’t believe they killed her…but their neglect was the reason someone was able to take her. Had they been with them it would simply not have happened.

Saying that if they had been with them it would never of happened can’t be proven

[thesheriff443]

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

The problem is you are making up different versions of the events to gain ground
You can only judge on that one situation

For example, was James bulger’s mum guilty of neglect because he got separated from his mum while shopping

Was she more interested in shopping than keeping an eye on her son


It’s easier to judge than it is to be judged

Every one who drives has been over the speed limit at one point in time, it’s only when some thing goes wrong while speeding that one hey become the devil

[AnnieK]

I don't think my analogy is that different. In both scenarios the parents are checking on the children but are not there all the time but only a sort way away. In both circumstances something happens to the children that puts them in danger that could have been avoided if they were present in the property. How is one different to the other.

Bringing up James Bulger is trying to win ground...a mum doing her shopping a dropping the hand of her child for a moment and him being snatched by evil kids who were planning to smatch someone is very very different to what the McCanns did.

[thesheriff443]

I don't think my analogy is that different. In both scenarios the parents are checking on the children but are not there all the time but only a sort way away. In both circumstances something happens to the children that puts them in danger that could have been avoided if they were present in the property. How is one different to the other.

Bringing up James Bulger is trying to win ground...a mum doing her shopping a dropping the hand of her child for a moment and him being snatched by evil kids who were planning to smatch someone is very very different to what the McCanns did.

I’m not trying to gain ground I’m giving you an example of a situation that is questionable like you are doing.

In your life time how many kids have disappeared kidnapped killed while on holiday ? Its virtually unheard of.

People on holiday tend to relax and let their guard down and act differently to how they would at jome

[AnnieK]

I’m not trying to gain ground I’m giving you an example of a situation that is questionable like you are doing.

In your life time how many kids have disappeared kidnapped killed while on holiday ? Its virtually unheard of.

People on holiday tend to relax and let their guard down and act differently to how they would at jome

That's all I was doing and you said I was trying to gain ground with a far more similar scenario than yours :shrug:

I do not care how relaxed you are on a holiday, as a parent would you have let your guard down like that? I know I wouldn't. On holiday I'm more alert and aware of what my kid is doing for the simple reason that its a place we don't know well. As a parent you know there are hidden dangers everywhere where kids are concerned.

I will never not think it was neglect. Yea, they have paid a very heavy price and that is very sad, moreso for whatever happened to Madeleine but it was possibly so avoidable.

I could not live with myself if I had neglected to be there for my child. I certainly couldn't have written a book and used the money raised to pay my mortgage off and do interview after interview. :shrug:

[bots]

i think at this point, everyones views are completely entrenched and there will be no changing them. We will never know for sure what happened to the poor girl

[thesheriff443]

That's all I was doing and you said I was trying to gain ground with a far more similar scenario than yours :shrug:

I do not care how relaxed you are on a holiday, as a parent would you have let your guard down like that? I know I wouldn't. On holiday I'm more alert and aware of what my kid is doing for the simple reason that its a place we don't know well. As a parent you know there are hidden dangers everywhere where kids are concerned.

I will never not think it was neglect. Yea, they have paid a very heavy price and that is very sad, moreso for whatever happened to Madeleine but it was possibly so avoidable.

I could not live with myself if I had neglected to be there for my child. I certainly couldn't have written a book and used the money raised to pay my mortgage off and do interview after interview. :shrug:

It only takes a second for some thing bad too happen that you never considered you are entitled to your opinion like all of us are

You can’t make a case out of what ifs or maybe’s

Would them killing themselve make this case any better

[Niamh.]

Your reasoning is ridiculous Sheriff there's no "ifs, what's or maybes" she definitely came to harm. Its not OK to leave babies unattended for long periods of time while you go out socialising just because things can happen when you don't do that too.

[arista]

Your reasoning is ridiculous Sheriff there's no "ifs, what's or maybes" she definitely came to harm. Its not OK to leave babies unattended for long periods of time while you go out socialising just because things can happen when you don't do that too.


Sadly Very True.


I think they could have been watched
when they arrived in that hotel.

Someone may know what went on.

[GoldHeart]

It only takes a second for some thing bad too happen that you never considered you are entitled to your opinion like all of us are

You can’t make a case out of what ifs or maybe’s

Would them killing themselve make this case any better


Bad things can sometimes still happen when you're in the same house ,or watching them . So wouldn't that make you less likely to leave them unsupervised whilst you go out drinking.

This wasn't like the parents were asleep in another room while their kid was snatched under their noses. They were out the building plain and simple.

[Niamh.]

Bad things can sometimes still happen when you're in the same house ,or watching them . So wouldn't that make you less likely to leave them unsupervised whilst you go out drinking.



This wasn't like the parents were asleep in another room while their kid was snatched under their noses. They were out the building plain and simple.Exactly, if we go along with the theory that it was an opportunistic kidnapper, who is he going to target? The apartment where he knows no parents are there to wake up and catch him or the apartment where he'd have to break in through a locked door with 2 adults present?

[thesheriff443]

Bad things can sometimes still happen when you're in the same house ,or watching them . So wouldn't that make you less likely to leave them unsupervised whilst you go out drinking.

This wasn't like the parents were asleep in another room while their kid was snatched under their noses. They were out the building plain and simple.

It’s not to hard to understand
People don’t live their lives waiting for bad things to happen
Bad things do happen but you don’t think they will happen to you and if you do think that way you have a mental illness.

[Niamh.]

It’s not to hard to understand

People don’t live their lives waiting for bad things to happen

Bad things do happen but you don’t think they will happen to you and if you do think that way you have a mental illness.You have a mental illness if you think something bad could happen if you leave 3 babies alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country? Babysitters are really cashing in on parents mental illnesses then

[user104658]

It’s not to hard to understand
People don’t live their lives waiting for bad things to happen
Bad things do happen but you don’t think they will happen to you and if you do think that way you have a mental illness.

This is more about a balance of risks though, the example of allowing kids to do normal kid things "being risky anyway" so why not leave them alone in a holiday appartment.

It's like saying... "Why not walk down the middle of the road? Sure you might get hit by a car - but even if you walk on the pavement, a car might lose control, mount the kerb and hit you anyway."

Like... yes... you might get hit by a care whilst walking down the pavement minding your own business. It happens. That doesn't mean you should stop walking down pavements, it's a normal and acceptable risk... one we accept every day. But it's not comparable to a clearly reckless action like prancing along the middle of the road.

To use another risk example...

You're basically saying "there's nothing wrong with driving whilst drunk - because it's always possible that you'll crash your car anyway even stone cold sober".

Same thing. There's an inherent small risk in driving. Drink driving is reckless.

There's an inherent small risk that a child could be abducted at any time. Leaving them alone like the McCanns did... is reckless.

[thesheriff443]

You have a mental illness if you think something bad could happen if you leave 3 babies alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country? Babysitters are really cashing in on parents mental illnesses then

If a fear of something bad will happen to you and your family that stops you doing normal dad to day stuff then it’s a mental illness

Who is the bad parent those that let their children play outside knowing something bad could happen

Or the. Parent that keep their kids in the house protecting them from the outside world.

Your son does contact sports are you a bad parent for letting him do that knowing he could get hurt.

[thesheriff443]

This is more about a balance of risks though, the example of allowing kids to do normal kid things "being risky anyway" so why not leave them alone in a holiday appartment.

It's like saying... "Why not walk down the middle of the road? Sure you might get hit by a car - but even if you walk on the pavement, a car might lose control, mount the kerb and hit you anyway."

Like... yes... you might get hit by a care whilst walking down the pavement minding your own business. It happens. That doesn't mean you should stop walking down pavements, it's a normal and acceptable risk... one we accept every day. But it's not comparable to a clearly reckless action like prancing along the middle of the road.

To use another risk example...

You're basically saying "there's nothing wrong with driving whilst drunk - because it's always possible that you'll crash your car anyway even stone cold sober".

Same thing. There's an inherent small risk in driving. Drink driving is reckless.

There's an inherent small risk that a child could be abducted at any time. Leaving them alone like the McCanns did... is reckless.

Doing something that you know is wrong is taking it down another route

[user104658]

If a fear of something bad will happen to you and your family that stops you doing normal dad to day stuff then it’s a mental illness

Who is the bad parent those that let their children play outside knowing something bad could happen

Or the. Parent that keep their kids in the house protecting them from the outside world.

Your son does contact sports are you a bad parent for letting him do that knowing he could get hurt.

Again just to clarify the above; I agree but while "letting kids play out" is normal behaviour, "Leaving toddlers alone in holiday appartments" is NOT normal behaviour, by the vast majority of people's standards.

[user104658]

Doing something that you know is wrong is taking it down another route

...like leaving toddlers alone in an apartment in Portugal to go out drinking with pals. Surely!

[thesheriff443]

Again just to clarify the above; I agree but while "letting kids play out" is normal behaviour, "Leaving toddlers alone in holiday appartments" is NOT normal behaviour, by the vast majority of people's standards.

But take into account the facts people go on holiday to relax and have a good time
You don’t going on holiday thinking your kids are going to be kidnapped or murdered because that is not normal

They made a mistake it was not purposeful neglect

[thesheriff443]

...like leaving toddlers alone in an apartment in Portugal to go out drinking with pals. Surely!

It was a meal not a drinking session and they were checking on the kids throughput the evening

[Liam-]

It’s a mental illness to not leave your kids alone multiple nights in a row to go and socialise and drink with your friends? That’s genuinely a hot take I didn’t expect any time soon got to be honest

[user104658]

But take into account the facts people go on holiday to relax and have a good time
You don’t going on holiday thinking your kids are going to be kidnapped or murdered because that is not normal

They made a mistake it was not purposeful neglect

Criminal negligence has nothing to do with purposeful harm, the basics are;

1) There was a bad outcome
2) It resulted from an action that it can be reasonably said that anyone would know is risky.

I just don't buy that many people don't know that leaving young children alone like that is risky. Any number of things could happen, from a fire to one of them simply wandering off. They weren't even 8-year-olds with some ability at self preservation, Madeleine was the oldest and she was three years old.

Even the "letting kids play out" argument falls apart. Yes it's a good idea to let kids play out. But you wouldn't let a 3 year old play in the street with their 1 year old siblings. It's madness.

[Niamh.]

If a fear of something bad will happen to you and your family that stops you doing normal dad to day stuff then it’s a mental illness



Who is the bad parent those that let their children play outside knowing something bad could happen



Or the. Parent that keep their kids in the house protecting them from the outside world.



Your son does contact sports are you a bad parent for letting him do that knowing he could get hurt.Leaving babies alone in an unlocked apartment at night while you go out isn't normal behaviour though no matter how you try to spin it.

My son does contact sport yes, most sport is "contact" fun fact he's never been injured (besides a few bruises) while doing martial arts. He spent months in physio after a soccer injury though, his friends who play rugby and GAA are injured regularly.

[Niamh.]

...like leaving toddlers alone in an apartment in Portugal to go out drinking with pals. Surely!........!!!!

[GoldHeart]

But take into account the facts people go on holiday to relax and have a good time
You don’t going on holiday thinking your kids are going to be kidnapped or murdered because that is not normal

They made a mistake it was not purposeful neglect

I really don't understand why you continue to defend the Mcanns?. Would you still be as sympathetic ,if it was 2 lower class people on benefits who drink alot? .

Because I bet you anything the child services would have taken away their other 2 children, and considered them Unfit parents.

Yes you don't go on holiday expecting your kids to be kidnapped,but surely you'd be more alert and have your wits about you .

There is no good reason to leave 3 BABIES alone! in a holiday home in a different place . Even if they were back in the UK in their own surroundings it STILL would have been very risky, so why put your children in further danger,it makes no sense.

Which is why I think both parents were selfish & neglectful ,and you'll never persuade me otherwise.

[user104658]

........!!!!

The best part is that everyone who arguest this point who has kids themselves, you ask them "Would YOU have done it?" and the answer is invariably "Well... err... no... but..."

[Niamh.]

The best part is that everyone who arguest this point who has kids themselves, you ask them "Would YOU have done it?" and the answer is invariably "Well... err... no... but..."Of course they wouldn't because it's completely neglectful. Apart from anything else danger wise I wouldn't have done it at the age or even a lot older because if a 3 year old wakes up in the middle of the night and can't find an adult they will be terrified which we already know had happened the previous night and they STILL went out the next night anyway. I'd be thinking, oh my god imagine if Madeleine woke up, went looking for her parents straight out the unlocked patio door and ended up in the pool? I know water and pool safety is a massive thing parents do worry about around young kids, there have been many many tragedies with small children drowning on holiday

[Cherie]

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

The case of the lady who popped out to the shop for five minutes and her kids burned to death just before Christmas I think she was arrested

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021-12-17/woman-arrested-as-two-sets-of-twins-under-five-die-after-south-london-house-fire

no sign of the McCanns being arrested is there

[Cherie]

I think the worst part of this for me is Maddie telling them she felt scared the night before but they still went out.... that does not smack of good parenting

[Niamh.]

I think the worst part of this for me is Maddie telling them she felt scared the night before but they still went out.... that does not smack of good parentingYeah exactly, taking all possible risk out of it just your child being scared and alone is surely enough reason not to do that?

[user104658]

The case of the lady who popped out to the shop for five minutes and her kids burned to death just before Christmas I think she was arrested

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021-12-17/woman-arrested-as-two-sets-of-twins-under-five-die-after-south-london-house-fire

no sign of the McCanns being arrested is there

The absolutely bizarre thing is, if she HAD gone out and fallen in the pool and drowned, or if a fire had broken out and the kids were stuck inside, I reckon they absolutely would have faced charges. Apparently being abducted is somehow different. Why? Surely what happened is irrelevant, the point is that something bad happened and it happened because they weren't there.

[user104658]

Yeah exactly, taking all possible risk out of it just your child being scared and alone is surely enough reason not to do that?

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 :shrug:.

[Niamh.]

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 :shrug:.My kids would have too

[user104658]

My kids would have too

I guess it's not a concern if you're confident that they're not going to wake up. *cough cough*

[Niamh.]

I guess it's not a concern if you're confident that they're not going to wake up. *cough cough*Mmmmm hhhhmmm

[Niamh.]

Actually a cynical person may wonder what the reason was that they choose to share the "fact" that Madeleine had woken up the previous night.....

[GoldHeart]

Actually a cynical person may wonder what the reason was that they choose to share the "fact" that Madeleine had woken up the previous night.....

I've always found that very weird

[thesheriff443]

I really don't understand why you continue to defend the Mcanns?. Would you still be as sympathetic ,if it was 2 lower class people on benefits who drink alot? .

Because I bet you anything the child services would have taken away their other 2 children, and considered them Unfit parents.

Yes you don't go on holiday expecting your kids to be kidnapped,but surely you'd be more alert and have your wits about you .

There is no good reason to leave 3 BABIES alone! in a holiday home in a different place . Even if they were back in the UK in their own surroundings it STILL would have been very risky, so why put your children in further danger,it makes no sense.

Which is why I think both parents were selfish & neglectful ,and you'll never persuade me otherwise.

This has nothing to do with social status and it’s nothing to do with defending the McCanns

Its looking at the bigger picture, no one on is the perfect parent even if you think you are

This is my last post on this subject because I’m bored with all you lot trying to preach

[Glenn.]

So anyway… we’re back to how scummy and neglectful the parents are.

[arista]

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 :shrug:.


Yes sadly
they failed as parents

[Swan]

I think they killed her. I'm not sure how or why, but im certain they're responsible for Madeleine's death.

[GoldHeart]

I think they killed her. I'm not sure how or why, but im certain they're responsible for Madeleine's death.

I've never trusted them , too many things are suspect .

[user104658]

I think they killed her. I'm not sure how or why, but im certain they're responsible for Madeleine's death.The "occams razor" of the case is that they had drugged the children (probably OTC antihistamines) to keep them asleep so that they could go out and relax and Madeleine sadly either had a bad reaction and died in her sleep, or woke and had some sort of accident (such as a fall). "Why would they cover up an accident/stage an abduction" - because a post mortem would have shown the sedatives.

It's a sad, simple story that aligns with every single piece of the circumstantial evidence.

Crucially, it's blatantly also what the Portuguese authorities at the time believed may have happened.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure, though. Unless one of them tells the full story from their deathbed or something.

[rusticgal]

Saying that if they had been with them it would never of happened can’t be proven

Sitting in a small apartment...they would have heard noises. Its not like it was a BIG place.

[rusticgal]

The problem is you are making up different versions of the events to gain ground
You can only judge on that one situation

For example, was James bulger’s mum guilty of neglect because he got separated from his mum while shopping

Was she more interested in shopping than keeping an eye on her son


It’s easier to judge than it is to be judged

Every one who drives has been over the speed limit at one point in time, it’s only when some thing goes wrong while speeding that one hey become the devil


But Sheriff...JB abduction was very unfortunate. I lost my 3 year old in Marks and Spencers..darting into a clothes rail to hide...it took seconds!! To leave children out of sight remember..120 metres and a minutes walk away in an unlocked apartment is just unacceptable...and simply negligent.

[rusticgal]

The "occams razor" of the case is that they had drugged the children (probably OTC antihistamines) to keep them asleep so that they could go out and relax and Madeleine sadly either had a bad reaction and died in her sleep, or woke and had some sort of accident (such as a fall). "Why would they cover up an accident/stage an abduction" - because a post mortem would have shown the sedatives.

It's a sad, simple story that aligns with every single piece of the circumstantial evidence.

Crucially, it's blatantly also what the Portuguese authorities at the time believed may have happened.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure, though. Unless one of them tells the full story from their deathbed or something.

I always wondered if they drugged them especially as Madeline had woken te night before. If they had overdosed her then it would have been accidental...when would they have got rid of the body and then sit through dinner looking happy...it doesnt add up.
The police in some of these countries will do anything to point the finger for the sake of their reputation and tourism.

[GoldHeart]

I always wondered if they drugged them especially as Madeline had woken te night before. If they had overdosed her then it would have been accidental...when would they have got rid of the body and then sit through dinner looking happy...it doesnt add up.
The police in some of these countries will do anything to point the finger for the sake of their reputation and tourism.

Well someone else could have been involved / working with the parents.

But we'll probably never find out for sure. But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents."


I will just leave this here in this.............. "thread"

:umm2:

[The Slim Reaper]

"But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents."


I will just leave this here in this.............. "thread"

:umm2:

Haven't you just dropped a vid in the JK Rowling thread you think proves something?

Ycnmiu :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

haven't you just dropped a vid in the jk rowling thread you think proves something?

Ycnmiu :smug:

im glad you think it does but no

i offered no opinion on it



you should keep your cards closer to your chin as i can see them

:spin:

[Jordan.]

i offered no opinion on it


sig worthy

[The Slim Reaper]

im glad you think it does but no

i offered no opinion on it



you should keep your cards closer to your chin as i can see them

:spin:

So you've just admitted you don't offer opinions and you post vids you know don't offer anything.

We finally agree on something :blush:

[GoldHeart]

"But I watched a video on YouTube about it a while ago ,and everything points to The parents."


I will just leave this here in this.............. "thread"

:umm2:

I guess I should have relied on Twitter instead, as that's so accurate when it comes to facts right? :hee: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess I should have relied on Twitter instead, as that's so accurate when it comes to facts right? :hee: .

or Scotland Yard

:smug:

[arista]

Christian Brueckner declared formal suspect

In the German Prison.

[Christian Brueckner, 45, has been made an "arguido",
but Portuguese authorities have not formally revealed
the suspect's name.

In 2020 German police announced they
were investigating him in connection
with Madeleine's disappearance.]


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[thesheriff443]

Yes this man has been a prime suspect for some time

[arista]

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[Niamh.]

Madeleine McCann suspect has alibi backed by four people

The setback is the latest blow to Kate and Gerry McCann, who made a rare public statement on Friday over the case's "progress".

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The main suspect over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has an alibi backed by four people.

Doubts over the case against Christian Brueckner have surfaced just 10 days before the 15th anniversary of Madeleine going missing.

It is a fresh blow to parents Kate and Gerry, who made a rare public statement on Friday welcoming “progress” after police in Portugal made paedophile Brueckner, 44, an official suspect.

Authorities have been told witnesses have come forward to support Brueckner’s alibi for the night Madeleine vanished while on holiday in Praia da Luz in the Algarve.

And in an interview, the chief prosecutor in Brueckner’s native country admitted: “Here in Germany there is no end in sight to the investigations into the Maddie case.”

The four witnesses spoke out in a new Channel 5 documentary presented by former police detective Mark Williams-Thomas, who has been in “lengthy” contact with Brueckner via letter.



It is believed authorities in Germany have been alerted to the testimonies.

The show is set to be aired on May 3 – the 15th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance.

A Channel 5 insider revealed: “Christian Brueckner has provided a very detailed alibi for the days leading up to and after Madeleine’s disappearance. That has been checked out by our team and fully examined and we’ve spoken to four people who’ve gone on the record to independently support his alibi.

“They have got nothing to benefit from supporting him and, in fact, a couple of those people really don’t like him – but they have still backed his account.

Brueckner is serving seven years in Germany for the 2005 rape of a pensioner.

He was named as a suspect by German prosecutors after a mobile they believe he was using was traced to a phone mast 200 yards from the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying. But it is now claimed the phone could have been more than 20 miles away as the mast covered a large signal cell.

A source said: “His account is that he wasn’t there and stands up to scrutiny.”

Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: “This move by the Portuguese authorities should not be overstated. Does this step amount to an accusation? No, not at all.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fresh-doubts-over-madeleine-mccann-26783130

[Niamh.]

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[bots]

i thought this guy was excluded a few months ago

[Niamh.]

i thought this guy was excluded a few months ago

So did I but then he popped back up again, I'm pretty sure he had a rock solid alibi a few months ago too but they seem determined to make it be him. I mean the guy sounds like an absolute vile excuse for a human being no doubt but if it wasn't him why are they trying to make it him? You surely want the person who actually is responsible caught

[Liam-]

i thought this guy was excluded a few months ago

But then there were reports of the budget for the ‘investigation’ being cut, gotta get the money somehow haven’t they

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Took a while but there you go, maybe a lot of people in this country should apologise

to Kate as well?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2020/06/05/TELEMMGLPICT000149747191_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqek9vKm1 8v_rkIPH9w2GMNtm3NAjPW-2_OvjCiS6COCU.jpeg

[Zizu]

Took a while but there you go, maybe a lot of people in this country should apologise

to Kate as well?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2020/06/05/TELEMMGLPICT000149747191_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqek9vKm1 8v_rkIPH9w2GMNtm3NAjPW-2_OvjCiS6COCU.jpeg


I never thought for one moment that they were guilty of any despicable behaviour..
The whole idea is/was preposterous


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[OnTheRight]

They never murdered the kid they are just **** parents who are at fault for Maddie going missing.

[Zizu]

They never murdered the kid they are just **** parents who are at fault for Maddie going missing.


If the monster was determined to take a child then if they had stayed home I’d imagine he’d have targeted some other family


I dread to think how many children he’s hurt or taken over the years .

I saw a program years ago and these weirdos can’t stop once they start


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[arista]

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[Glenn.]

Took a while but there you go, maybe a lot of people in this country should apologise

to Kate as well?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/women/2020/06/05/TELEMMGLPICT000149747191_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqek9vKm1 8v_rkIPH9w2GMNtm3NAjPW-2_OvjCiS6COCU.jpeg

Apologise for what?

The pair of them need locking up for neglect. Their neglect got their child kidnapped and probably killed.

No decent parent would leave their children alone, in a foreign country and no decent human being would defend it.

[Niamh.]

Apologise for what?

The pair of them need locking up for neglect. Their neglect got their child kidnapped and probably killed.

No decent parent would leave their children alone, in a foreign country and no decent human being would defend it.

Absolutely. At the very least they're guilty of that and that's 100% accurate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Could have happened to any family, a child can be snatched in an instant

Poor Kate, that's who I am thinking of today

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[Beso]

Apologise for what?

The pair of them need locking up for neglect. Their neglect got their child kidnapped and probably killed.

No decent parent would leave their children alone, in a foreign country and no decent human being would defend it.

You should write to them to tell them, just in case they do it again

[Livia]

Leaving your child alone is stupid ang neglectful. I imagine the parents have been through hell knowing they contributed to this. Doesn't alter the fact that a monster of a human took this kid. Maddens me that people are so angry with the parents they seem to overlook that fact.

[Glenn.]

Leaving your child alone is stupid ang neglectful. I imagine the parents have been through hell knowing they contributed to this. Doesn't alter the fact that a monster of a human took this kid. Maddens me that people are so angry with the parents they seem to overlook that fact.

It was preventable.

I hope they do go through hell on a daily basis.

[Livia]

It was preventable.

I hope they do go through hell on a daily basis.

I'm pretty sure they do go through hell on a daily basis and always will.

How about the paedo who took her? You don't ever talk about him and how he should suffer.

[GoldHeart]

It was a meal not a drinking session and they were checking on the kids throughput the evening

It's never sat right with me that they did this, and whether they went for a meal or out partying/ drinking or even out to the theatre to see a play.... they still abandoned their kids...and it's still neglect. You can't leave 3 small kids alone , we're talking baby & toddler age,not adolescent & teenagers.And even then...it would still be a bit irresponsible,but atleast they'd be older .

3 tiny kids are very vulnerable & need full supervision, and I'm not buying that they were able to keep going back & forth to check on them. Why didn't they take the kids with them to the restaurant and check that it's child friendly?, or better still... just leave them back in the UK with a respectable relative or trusted member to fully babysit. I don't understand why you would take your 3 small children on holiday...to then dump them in a apartment in a foreign setting, while you go out for dinner with friends? . Doesn't make sense to me.

And we all know as I've said before...if this was another Karen Mathews type family,then social services would have been all over this !! :idc::whistle: .

[Glenn.]

I'm pretty sure they do go through hell on a daily basis and always will.

How about the paedo who took her? You don't ever talk about him and how he should suffer.

He’s where he belongs no? In prison.

Just where her parents should be.

[Glenn.]

It's never sat right with me that they did this, and whether they went for a meal or out partying/ drinking or even out to the theatre to see a play.... they still abandoned their kids...and it's still neglect. You can't leave 3 small kids alone , we're talking baby & toddler age,not adolescent & teenagers.And even then...it would still be a bit irresponsible,but atleast they'd be older .

3 tiny kids are very vulnerable & need full supervision, and I'm not buying that they were able to keep going back & forth to check on them. Why didn't they take the kids with them to the restaurant and check that it's child friendly?, or better still... just leave them back in the UK with a respectable relative or trusted member to fully babysit. I don't understand why you would take your 3 small children on holiday...to then dump them in a apartment in a foreign setting, while you go out for dinner with friends? . Doesn't make sense to me.

And we all know as I've said before...if this was another Karen Mathews type family,then social services would have been all over this !! :idc::whistle: .

Anyone that makes ANY excuse for what they did is vile imo.

[Livia]

He’s where he belongs no? In prison.

Just where her parents should be.

Is he? Are we sure?

The parents are already serving a life sentence. Not saying they shouldn't... It's that, at some point, the paedo is likely to have served his sentence, if the person incarcerated is even the one responsible. Whatever despicable, unthinkable things he did to that poor child before she died, he gets hardly any hate compared to the parents.

Think it's a but much calling people who don't agree with you, vile.

[GoldHeart]

Anyone that makes ANY excuse for what they did is vile imo.

Empathy & sympathy for parents losing a child I guess? as it must be the worst pain unimaginable .And for poor Madeline's sake...as for a long time a few people were still hoping she'd be found one day...to now realising that she's sadly dead.

Which I understand to a point,but all of this could have been avoided ...if they were more responsible. But the McCann's will forever have to live with their mistake which has cost them their daughter's life.

I still find it off to even say she was "abducted", as the whole thing was very suspicious from the get go...but I don't even want to go down that conspiracy rabbit hole again. But I always found the McCann's to be full of red flags :suspect: .

I know people won't like this opinion...as it will be taken as me attacking 'grieving parents ', but they're actions & behaviour is very odd .

[Glenn.]

Is he? Are we sure?

The parents are already serving a life sentence. Not saying they shouldn't... It's that, at some point, the paedo is likely to have served his sentence, if the person incarcerated is even the one responsible. Whatever despicable, unthinkable things he did to that poor child before she died, he gets hardly any hate compared to the parents.

Think it's a but much calling people who don't agree with you, vile.

Do you not agree that neglecting your child to go out for dinner is wrong then? That anyone that defends that is not really someone to be respected?

Would you leave your children alone to go out for dinner?

[Beso]

Did the other people with the macanns have children on holiday with them?

And shut up glenn, until you've had and lost kids, just shut up about how people should feel.

[Glenn.]

Did the other people with the macanns have children on holiday with them?

And shut up glenn, until you've had and lost kids, just shut up about how people should feel.

I won’t shut up.

If you defend parents that LEFT multiple children to go out for dinner then you’re vile.

I can’t even believe there are parents on here that are defending it.

[GoldHeart]

Did the other people with the macanns have children on holiday with them?

And shut up glenn, until you've had and lost kids, just shut up about how people should feel.

We don't really hear about if their friends had kids or not.But I was wondering if they also left their kids behind.

Point is though....you don't leave 3 small children alone.

If some sicko abducted Madeleine,then they should
throw away the key .

[Beso]

Nobody is defending them, but people are less vile than some by not repeatng it over and over again about grieving parents well aware of their mistake

[Glenn.]

Like do you have to have children to know you shouldn’t leave them unattended in a foreign country or do you have to pass a test?

[Beso]

Like do you have to have children to know you shouldn’t leave them unattended in a foreign country or do you have to pass a test?

What difference does s foreign country make fgs, they shouldnt be left unattended at that age anywhere.

[bots]

Nobody is defending them, but people are less vile than some by not repeatng it over and over again about grieving parents well aware of their mistake

it's a bit more than making a little mistake. They actively obstructed the investigation, and thats only 1 part of what they did wrong in the aftermath

[Glenn.]

What difference does s foreign country make fgs, they shouldnt be left unattended at that age anywhere.

Well done

[Glenn.]

If you feel patronised then that’s a you problem

[GoldHeart]

What difference does s foreign country make fgs, they shouldnt be left unattended at that age anywhere.

Because it makes it worse that they would leave their kids alone in a unfamiliar setting, surely you would all the more so have your children close by at all times?... Especially in a new environment abroad,where there's more strangers around & the danger is higher.

It's not the same as leaving your kids alone in the back garden in the UK on home turf...( And that would still be bad enough & stupid) but it's far worse in a random apartment on holiday.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Poor Kate and her daughter still worrying

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[Glenn.]

The old hag looks positively heartbroken. Imagine thinking you can smile after you let your daughter get kidnapped and murdered.

[rusticgal]

Could have happened to any family, a child can be snatched in an instant

Poor Kate, that's who I am thinking of today

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This wasn't an instant though.....

[Livia]

It worries me some people are gleeful of the McCann's suffering. I also dislike the occasional comparison with the Shannon Matthews case which was an entirely different kettle of fish.

[Livia]

Because it makes it worse that they would leave their kids alone in a unfamiliar setting, surely you would all the more so have your children close by at all times?... Especially in a new environment abroad,where there's more strangers around & the danger is higher.

It's not the same as leaving your kids alone in the back garden in the UK on home turf...( And that would still be bad enough & stupid) but it's far worse in a random apartment on holiday.

Sophie Hook was snatched from a tent in her uncle's back garden in the 90s. She was murdered. Don't remember all the hate directed at her parents. Was it negligent? Yes, probably. Do the parents need their grief compounded by strangers? Definitely not. Same with the McCanns.

[Glenn.]

Definitely not the same

[GoldHeart]

It worries me some people are gleeful of the McCann's suffering. I also dislike the occasional comparison with the Shannon Matthews case which was an entirely different kettle of fish.

I'm certainly not 'gleeful' , anyone losing a child must be unbearable pain ... especially knowing they were likely suffering & scared in their last moments.

The comparison was merely a class & background comparison , I know the Shannon Matthews case isn't the same. But Karen Mathews was proven an unfit unemployed / on benefit not very bright parent....and social services was involved & several of her kids were put into care ..if I'm not mistaken?.

The McCann's neglected all 3 of their children , so you would think child services would have given them a knock on the door. It happened in Portugal...but still there must be some concerns raised over the safety of their other children?. But the McCann's are 2 intelligent well presented , financially secure people with respectable good jobs.

I think classism plays a part , I know not everyone will agree with me.

[Glenn.]

I'm certainly not 'gleeful' , anyone losing a child must be unbearable pain ... especially knowing they were likely suffering & scared in their last moments.

The comparison was merely a class & background comparison , I know the Shannon Matthews case isn't the same. But Karen Mathews was proven an unfit unemployed / on benefit not very bright parent....and social services was involved & several of her kids were put into care ..if I'm not mistaken?.

The McCann's neglected all 3 of their children , so you would think child services would have given them a knock on the door. It happened in Portugal...but still there must be some concerns raised over the safety of their other children?. But the McCann's are 2 intelligent well presented , financially secure people with respectable good jobs.

I think classism plays a part , I know not everyone will agree with me.

Spot on

[GoldHeart]

Sophie Hook was snatched from a tent in her uncle's back garden in the 90s. She was murdered. Don't remember all the hate directed at her parents. Was it negligent? Yes, probably. Do the parents need their grief compounded by strangers? Definitely not. Same with the McCanns.

I'm not familiar with that case but it doesn't sound like the same,but this is the point I'm making....the fact that even in a family
friendly home setting horrible crimes can still happen.

Then surely as a parent/s you'd be alot more careful & wary and would think twice about leaving your kids alone like that, especially small children who need constant supervision :shrug:.

[Livia]

I'm certainly not 'gleeful' , anyone losing a child must be unbearable pain ... especially knowing they were likely suffering & scared in their last moments.

The comparison was merely a class & background comparison , I know the Shannon Matthews case isn't the same. But Karen Mathews was proven an unfit unemployed / on benefit not very bright parent....and social services was involved & several of her kids were put into care ..if I'm not mistaken?.

The McCann's neglected all 3 of their children , so you would think child services would have given them a knock on the door. It happened in Portugal...but still there must be some concerns raised over the safety of their other children?. But the McCann's are 2 intelligent well presented , financially secure people with respectable good jobs.

I think classism plays a part , I know not everyone will agree with me.

I wasn't referring to you with the "gleeful" comment.

I would never leave my kids alone and the fact they did was shameful, i just feel more hate is aimed at the McCanns than at the person who took the little girl.

Yes, perhaps classism plays a part in this kind of thing. It does in so many things.

[arista]

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Sky News Text:
[Police are to conduct fresh searches
near the former home of
the prime suspect in
Madeleine McCann's disappearance,
the Telegraph reports.

It says about 30 German police
and forensic specialists will be involved
in Portugal's Algarve.]


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[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully they can finally resolve this case.

[arista]

Hopefully they can finally resolve this case.


Many doubt that.

[Mystic Mock]

Many doubt that.

I know.

But I just hope for everyone that's personally involved, that they finally get the closure that they deserve.

[arista]

GMBHD itv

Have sent their reporter to be Live in Portugal
Richard Gasford who was also there in 2007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

[arista]

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[Madeleine in 2007, aged three,

and forensic artist's impression of what
she may have looked like in 2012, aged nine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

[arista]

An independent reporter Jon Clarke
spoke live from Portugal.

This area the German Police are at today
has not been searched.


For 10 years near that location
The arrested one (Christian Brueckner) in Germany
lived there.

[Gusto Brunt]

Hmm, Gerry McCann - that's all I'm saying...

And have been saying since Maddie went 'missing'.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Live

Also have their reporter there.

[Zizu]

I know.

But I just hope for everyone that's personally involved, that they finally get the closure that they deserve.


Agreed


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[Zizu]

Hmm, Gerry McCann - that's all I'm saying...

And have been saying since Maddie went 'missing'.


Na

I simply cannot and refuse to believe that the parents were involved in her disappearance other than making a very poor decision on the night


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[Vicky.]

I think the kids were all sedated so the parents could drink uninterrupted. And Madeleine had a fall. And it was too late to do anything about it by the time of the next 'check'(which were not every 15 mins)

[arista]

I think the kids were all sedated so the parents could drink uninterrupted. And Madeleine had a fall. And it was too late to do anything about it by the time of the next 'check'(which were not every 15 mins)


Yes that why it would be easy to carry her out of that room
into a Van.


For Example

[Zizu]

I think the kids were all sedated so the parents could drink uninterrupted. And Madeleine had a fall. And it was too late to do anything about it by the time of the next 'check'(which were not every 15 mins)


I just can’t believe stuff like that .. there were known paedos in the area .. too easy to walk around at night and take a child ..presumably the guy had been observing the family or many families behaviour


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[Beso]

I know.

But I just hope for everyone that's personally involved, that they finally get the closure that they deserve.

I doubt they will ever get closure, even if the mystery is solved. I doubt they will ever be able to forgive themselves for the errors they made that night.

[Glenn.]

I know.

But I just hope for everyone that's personally involved, that they finally get the closure that they deserve.

The parents deserve prison

[Zizu]

It worries me some people are gleeful of the McCann's suffering. I also dislike the occasional comparison with the Shannon Matthews case which was an entirely different kettle of fish.


Same !!!


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[AnnieK]

I hope the parents get closure of some description. It must be horrific if you have been suspected for such a long time and you were not directly responsible. As awful as it will be, it should bring some solace for them if they do find some remains and someone who is responsible is brought to justice.

Having said that I do feel they were woefully negligent in leaving 3 such young children alone and making an abduction far more easy than if the kids were being properly cared for on that night and not just "checked on".

[Livia]

I hope the parents get closure of some description. It must be horrific if you have been suspected for such a long time and you were not directly responsible. As awful as it will be, it should bring some solace for them if they do find some remains and someone who is responsible is brought to justice.

Having said that I do feel they were woefully negligent in leaving 3 such young children alone and making an abduction far more easy than if the kids were being properly cared for on that night and not just "checked on".

Agree with all of that. The parents know what they did and have had to deal with that every day since. But I think some people forget the actual blame is on the monster who abducted that poor kid.

[Zizu]

Agree with all of that. The parents know what they did and have had to deal with that every day since. But I think some people forget the actual blame is on the monster who abducted that poor kid.


Exactly !!!


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[Ammi]

…it’s incredible to think that it’s 18 years ago since Madeleine’s disappearance…I’m not sure that any closure will ever happen in terms of evidence etc but the family must become so hopeful that one day, it could happen …and that’s an awful thought for them also…to know/not to know, ughhhhhh…

[Glenn.]

Agree with all of that. The parents know what they did and have had to deal with that every day since. But I think some people forget the actual blame is on the monster who abducted that poor kid.

True enough. But any parent; any decent parent, doesn’t help the kidnapper by leaving their children unattended.

[Mystic Mock]

I doubt they will ever get closure, even if the mystery is solved. I doubt they will ever be able to forgive themselves for the errors they made that night.

Oh they'll have to live with that mistake for the rest of their lives.

But if they're not the culprits that harmed her, I'm sure that they'd at least want answers as to what happened that night.

[Mystic Mock]

The parents deserve prison

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

[thesheriff443]

I doubt they will ever get closure, even if the mystery is solved. I doubt they will ever be able to forgive themselves for the errors they made that night.

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

[Zizu]

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do


Excellent points !


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[Mystic Mock]

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

I don't think that they're evil people tbf.

I do think that they're reckless parents though, and most families would've had their other children taken away from them in the same scenario imo.

I think that they're very lucky that weren't the case.

[Glenn.]

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

Do you have to be a parent to know you shouldn’t leave them alone in a foreign country because you want to go out for dinner?

Come on now, that’s ridiculous.

That child is missing (probably dead) and it was a direct consequence of her parents behaviour.

[Glenn.]

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

They should have.

Don’t get the support they receive. They’re hideous parents.

[Zizu]

They should have.

Don’t get the support they receive. They’re hideous parents.


Apparently lots of parents do what they did on holiday.. they were just unfortunate to do it when there were known paedos in that area of Portugal.


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[Glenn.]

Apparently lots of parents do what they did on holiday.. they were just unfortunate to do it when there were known paedos in that area of Portugal.


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I doubt that. If they do then they’re just as good parents as the McCanns.

[Gusto Brunt]

Na

I simply cannot and refuse to believe that the parents were involved in her disappearance other than making a very poor decision on the night


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I'll never forget Gerry McCann filmed on the balcony of their apartment LAUGHING just hours after reporting his daughter's 'disappearance' to the police. The video was on YouTube but it may have been taken down. ou could search for it.

Who in their right mind would leave THREE very young children in an apartment at night for hours with the door unlocked? That in itself is crazy and irresponsible, whether you believe Gerry's involvement or not.

[Zizu]

I doubt that. If they do then they’re just as good parents as the McCanns.


We have noticed that very behaviour many times over the decades when we visit Greece . When holiday chalets are closely situated it’s difficult to miss all the comings and goings

We are non drinkers but the lure of the bars / nightclubs is just too much for many couples on holiday .. I don’t believe that any of them McCanns included ever resorted to sedating their children though .

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[Zizu]

I'll never forget Gerry McCann filmed on the balcony of their apartment LAUGHING just hours after reporting his daughter's 'disappearance' to the police. The video was on YouTube but it may have been taken down. ou could search for it.

Who in their right mind would leave THREE very young children in an apartment at night for hours with the door unlocked? That in itself is crazy and irresponsible, whether you believe Gerry's involvement or not.


Maybe the door was locked and a window left ajar ?

Also that video (even if it was genuine) could have been taken anytime before or after that fateful night


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[joeysteele]

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

This.

I'm not going to speculate on this case anymore, it regularly keeps coming up in the news.
Generally with nothing more substantiated in the end.

I recall long debates on here years back, as to what could have been what happened.
I was strongly persuaded by a very determined Chuff me dizzy on this that these parents know much more than they've said.
She didn't hold back and was convincing.
That's all I'll now say on it except for a lot of the behaviour of the parents has always been extremely odd in my view.
As I said Chuff, convinced me more about this sad, tragic and unnecessary loss of a child.
Which certainly was a result in a big part by the NEGLIGENCE of BOTH parents at the time.

[Ammi]

Apparently lots of parents do what they did on holiday.. they were just unfortunate to do it when there were known paedos in that area of Portugal.


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…but then if that’s true that ‘apparently lots of parents do the same and leave their very young children/babies…’…that’s not a thought process that many parents and many of us would follow when it’s concerning the most precious part of our lives, our children….our actions and instincts are to safeguard our children, not to follow the behaviour or actions of anyone else…by the same vein….so, so many parents would never ever leave their small babies in an apartment while they went out with friends for an evening out…there are so many dangers and possibilities of danger and harm within an apartment/property itself before even any thought of a paedophile ….and there would always be that thought of those who would purposefully harm the children as well…I mean, if it’s an ‘habitual behaviour’ and commonplace for babies to be left alone in holiday apartments or any apartments then surely it’s not ‘unfortunate’ for that person to be in the area at that time…/…it’s actually an explanation as to why they are there…?… because they know that opportunity is there for them in their intent to harm…I wouldn’t say that it’s per-chance that they’re there…and the person that it’s very much more than unfortunate for would be the baby/the child and the absolute horrors they would endure…

…anyway, I don’t personally think that Madeleine’s parents have responsibility for any direct physical harm and they do have to live with their choices for their whole lives…but I also understand completely the condemnation of their choices and the criticism of their parenting on that holiday because they did have choices…Madeleine had none and that’s the perspective that has been considered in that criticism, it’s the consideration and horrific thoughts of what Madeleine went through which is the biggest of all ‘unfortunates’….

[Ammi]

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

…I am very glad that the twins weren’t removed from their care…I think their world would have been scary enough and completely turned upside down enough that the best thing for them at the time was the consistency of being in the care of their parents …and with all of the scrutiny as well from authorities and agencies and the media etc…from every angle and perspective, I feel their safety was fairly assured as well as being in the best place emotionally even with all of the chaos ….anyway, apparently they’re both doing very well in their lives and one of the twins, Shaun is a potential Olympic athlete/swimmer and I just can’t help but feel that at the time after Madeleine’s disappearance…to have placed them into care would have been more detrimental and damaging to them than anything else…

[Zizu]

Would you say THIS was good parenting ?

Genuinely interested

https://youtube.com/shorts/q7HMsd3c3qM?si=y-BMLvaT973ttEDT


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[Zizu]

…I am very glad that the twins weren’t removed from their care…I think their world would have been scary enough and completely turned upside down enough that the best thing for them at the time was the consistency of being in the care of their parents …and with all of the scrutiny as well from authorities and agencies and the media etc…from every angle and perspective, I feel their safety was fairly assured as well as being in the best place emotionally even with all of the chaos ….anyway, apparently they’re both doing very well in their lives and one of the twins, Shaun is a potential Olympic athlete/swimmer and I just can’t help but feel that at the time after Madeleine’s disappearance…to have placed them into care would have been more detrimental and damaging to them than anything else…


Totally agree


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[Ammi]

Would you say THIS was good parenting ?

Genuinely interested

https://youtube.com/shorts/q7HMsd3c3qM?si=y-BMLvaT973ttEDT


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…that seriously has no relevance at all to any aspect or anything in the thread topic or regarding Madeleine or her parents…in my opinion…

[Ammi]

Totally agree


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…that’s not to say though that there won’t (…understandably…)..be comparisons made with cases when children have been removed from the family home and placed into care and especially if ‘privilege and circumstance’ seem to play a part….

[Zizu]

…that seriously has no relevance at all to any aspect or anything in the thread topic or regarding Madeleine or her parents…in my opinion…


It doesn’t ..

Just wondering what everyone thought was good parenting as the vast majority of the earlier comments were praising the guy then a few mentioned life jackets and the tide turned and he was suddenly being criticised for not having his daughter wear a life jacket


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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/3cd1/live/bb19bcd0-40c0-11f0-835b-310c7b938e84.jpg.webp

[Glenn.]

I find it a weird flex when these awful negligent parents are defended. Weird as ****.

[Livia]

Not a word to say about the monster, just about the parents.

[Glenn.]

Not a word to say about the monster, just about the parents.

You do understand that if it wasn’t for the negligence of the parents the monster wouldn’t have been able to get to this particular child though right?

No one is defending the monster.

[joeysteele]

I find it a weird flex when these awful negligent parents are defended. Weird as ****.

Ditto from me to that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You do understand that if it wasn’t for the negligence of the parents the monster wouldn’t have been able to get to this particular child though right?

No one is defending the monster.

yes because no paedo has ever been able to abduct a child by any other method than the "Portugese holiday apartment caper"

:rolleyes:


Most child abductions occur outside of school grounds, particularly in
residential areas and streets while children are playing, walking, or riding
bikes. While schools are generally considered safer, they are not immune to
the risk, according to MissingKids.org.

[Liam-]

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

[Glenn.]

yes because no paedo has ever been able to abduct a child by any other method than the "Portugese holiday apartment caper"

:rolleyes:


Most child abductions occur outside of school grounds, particularly in
residential areas and streets while children are playing, walking, or riding
bikes. While schools are generally considered safer, they are not immune to
the risk, according to MissingKids.org.

I don’t think anyone has suggested that. This particular child would’nt have been in any danger if her parents hadn’t left her though. Her abduction and probable murder was because a monster was able to abduct and probably murder her. Like I said, it’s a weird flex to be defending the parents in any way shape or form. Remind me to never let y’all babysit a child.

[Niamh.]

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

Yep. If it had been a single mother from a council estate who went out drinking in Benidorm the same distance away from the apartment where her 3 under 4 year olds were in bed, I know a lot of the attitudes would be different

[Glenn.]

This should be something that we all agree on but weirdly it isn’t

[thesheriff443]

Yep. If it had been a single mother from a council estate who went out drinking in Benidorm the same distance away from the apartment where here 3 under 4 year olds were in bed, I know a lot of the attitudes would be different

You can’t take kids away for one incident
Plus they were checking on them

A child was raped and killed on a sleep over one kidnapped raped and killed while playing outside in the street

If it wasn’t for a third party we wouldn’t be talking about this case

The little boy that got taken in the shopping centre, was his mum to blame for him getting killed because she didn’t have him glued to her side

[Vanessa]

The investigation was a mess from the start. It's been 18 years, the poor girl is already gone.
My feeling is that suspect that is being investigated is the one responsible.

[Niamh.]

You can’t take kids away for one incident
Plus they were checking on them

A child was raped and killed on a sleep over one kidnapped raped and killed while playing outside in the street

If it wasn’t for a third party we wouldn’t be talking about this case

The little boy that got taken in the shopping centre, was his mum to blame for him getting killed because she didn’t have him glued to her side

How can you compare getting distracted in a Supermarket to leaving 3 virtual babies alone in an apartment while you went out drinking with your friends? Crazy. There are actual laws about leaving children that young alone like that

[Beso]

Would you say THIS was good parenting ?

Genuinely interested

https://youtube.com/shorts/q7HMsd3c3qM?si=y-BMLvaT973ttEDT


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Course it is, look at her smile.

[Glenn.]

Course it is, look at her smile.


I’m sure little Maddie would have loved to have done that with her parents.

[Zizu]

Not a word to say about the monster, just about the parents.


Yeah and it’s so annoying !


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[Niamh.]

Yeah and it’s so annoying !


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There's as much evidence of a stranger having kidnapped Maddie as any other theory in this case (which is zero) The one thing we do know for sure is that Maddies parents left her and her younger siblings alone in the apartment and went out for the evening. Perhaps that is why people tend to focus on that part of it. So far there has been no link between this German guy and Maddie other than he was in that area at the time

[Beso]

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

Considering how high profile this case was, you would think the head of public prosecutions at the time all the evidence was coming into the light, may have been interested in ensuring that was at least looked into....



Hmmmm, I wonder who that could have been, probably the same inept groveling coward that refused to prosecute saville cause he didnt have enough proof.

[Zizu]

No one is defending the monster.


Nobody is attacking the monster


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[Glenn.]

Nobody is attacking the monster


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For all we know the monsters ARE the parents

[Zizu]

You do understand that if it wasn’t for the negligence of the parents the monster wouldn’t have been able to get to this particular child though.

If they had been more responsible and attentive then we would maybe discussing a completely different missing child


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[Glenn.]

If they had been more responsible and attentive then we would maybe discussing a completely different missing child


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Maybe. We’re not though are we.

[Zizu]

The investigation was a mess from the start. It's been 18 years, the poor girl is already gone.
My feeling is that suspect that is being investigated is the one responsible.


Same


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[Zizu]

Course it is, look at her smile.


…. and the risk of drowning due to no safety jacket ?


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[Zizu]

There's as much evidence of a stranger having kidnapped Maddie as any other theory in this case (which is zero) The one thing we do know for sure is that Maddies parents left her and her younger siblings alone in the apartment and went out for the evening. Perhaps that is why people tend to focus on that part of it. So far there has been no link between this German guy and Maddie other than he was in that area at the time


.. and he was a convicted paedo ?


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[Beso]

…. and the risk of drowning due to no safety jacket ?


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Less than your kid being killed by a motorist whilst out playing on a bike.

[Glenn.]

And clearly less than being left on your own while your parents go out for drinks

[Zizu]

For all we know the monsters ARE the parents


You like betting against the favourites?

You just get better odds but hardly EVER win anything


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[Glenn.]

You like betting against the favourites?

You just get better odds but hardly EVER win anything


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We’re taking about a child’s life

[Zizu]

Less than your kid being killed by a motorist whilst out playing on a bike.


I’d take my chances on a bike .. never ever had any trouble on bikes down the years but I have come close to drowning twice ..

It would only take a freak wave or a mistake from dad and they are both in immediate trouble ..


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[Zizu]

We’re taking about a child’s life


Yeah and I am saying it was more likely to have been one of the several known paedos in the area RATHER than her loving parents


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[Glenn.]

Yeah and I am saying it was more likely to have been one of the several known paedos in the area RATHER than her loving parents


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Her neglectful parents


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[Niamh.]

.. and he was a convert paedo ?


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what's a convert paedo?

Regardless, yeah I'm sure there are paedos in a lot of areas. There is still no evidence we've seen yet actually linking him to Maddie. If you want to talk statistics though, it's far more likely (statistically speaking) when a child is harmed or murdered that it was a relative or someone known to the family that did it. And in fact the only actual evidence ever brought forward was the cadaver and blood dogs who pointed to the apartment and McCanns hire car. But I digress, my point is that so far no real strong evidence of what actually happened to poor Maddie has been found so asking "What about the Monster" is meaningless when no one (no matter what opinions you have) actually knows what happened to that girl and who that (or those) monster is

[Glenn.]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

[Beso]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

Certainly not, furthest I would go is my own garden, in my own town in my own country...


Not even sure why they took the kids on holiday, seeing as they spent every available hour at the hotels kids club.:shrug:

[Zizu]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.


Well we never let our kids out of our sight until they were about 13 or 14 but we are both worriers ( and non drinkers )

So many couples ( many people in fact ) have lives centred around drinking alcohol at home or at bars and clubs !!

To everyone
How many of your friends and family are non drinkers ? Bet its the vast minority !!


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[Zizu]

Not even sure why they took the kids on holiday, seeing as they spent every available hour at the hotels kids club.:shrug:


Only evenings .. I am sure they had wonderful family times during the daytime especially given they were fairly wealthy


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[Ammi]

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

…I did read that it was also because it happened overseas and the children being left in the apartment as they were didn’t fit with what what would be illegal in Portugal in terms of any neglect charges…

[Zizu]

what's a convert paedo?

Regardless, yeah I'm sure there are paedos in a lot of areas. There is still no evidence we've seen yet actually linking him to Maddie. If you want to talk statistics though, it's far more likely (statistically speaking) when a child is harmed or murdered that it was a relative or someone known to the family that did it. And in fact the only actual evidence ever brought forward was the cadaver and blood dogs who pointed to the apartment and McCanns hire car. But I digress, my point is that so far no real strong evidence of what actually happened to poor Maddie has been found so asking "What about the Monster" is meaningless when no one (no matter what opinions you have) actually knows what happened to that girl and who that (or those) monster is


Bloody predictive text


“ Convicted “


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[Glenn.]

Well we never let our kids out of our sight until they were about 13 or 14 but we are both worriers ( and non drinkers )

So many couples ( many people in fact ) have lives centred around drinking alcohol at home or at bars and clubs !!

To everyone
How many of your friends and family are non drinkers ? Bet its the vast minority !!


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Not sure what your point is about drinking alcohol. You agree that the parents were negligent in leaving them then yes? As a parent who never let your kids out of your sight you agree that you’d never leave your children in a hotel room anywhere.

[Niamh.]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

Absolutely not and I would also wonder how true the claim made that loads of people do that on Holiday is. In my experience most people when on holiday with children take them with them for food in the evening, you'd often see younger children asleep in buggys towards the end of the evening

[Niamh.]

Only evenings .. I am sure they had wonderful family times during the daytime especially given they were fairly wealthy


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Never evenings, they were in the kids club during the day. If they'd been at a kids club in the evening, we wouldn't be here talking about this now...

[Zizu]

It's difficult to provide a precise number of parents who leave their children unattended on holiday. While the law doesn't specify a minimum age, many parents and carers leave children home alone during the summer holidays, which can be a serious issue.
The NSPCC Helpline saw a large increase in contacts related to children being left alone or unsupervised during the summer holidays. In 2022, they received 453 calls and emails about children being left alone.
Between 1957 and 2023, the NSPCC Helpline received 4,717 contacts about children being left alone or unsupervised. 1,015 of these contacts were made during July and August.
The NSPCC has also reported a significant increase in concerns raised by adults about children being left alone, with a 65% increase in adult concerns.
It's important to remember that while there is no legal age for leaving children alone, parents and carers should carefully consider their child's maturity and ability to cope with unexpected situations. The NSPCC urges parents to think carefully about whether their child is ready to be left home alone.


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[Zizu]

During the months of July and August, there’s an increase in contacts to our Helpline about children being left home alone.
Neglect was the top concern in Helpline sessions in 2022/23, with 11,428 contacts. Of these, more than 40% (4,717) mentioned a child being left alone or unsupervised.
The number of contacts about children being left unsupervised increased during the summer holidays, with 1,015 contacts to the Helpline about this issue over July and August in 2022.
We wouldn’t recommend leaving a child under 12 years old home alone, particularly for a long time.


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[Niamh.]

During the months of July and August, there’s an increase in contacts to our Helpline about children being left home alone.
Neglect was the top concern in Helpline sessions in 2022/23, with 11,428 contacts. Of these, more than 40% (4,717) mentioned a child being left alone or unsupervised.
The number of contacts about children being left unsupervised increased during the summer holidays, with 1,015 contacts to the Helpline about this issue over July and August in 2022.
We wouldn’t recommend leaving a child under 12 years old home alone, particularly for a long time.


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I'm talking about when people are on foreign holidays not when children are on their summer holidays from school.

[Zizu]

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.


Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann decided not to employ a £10-an-hour babysitter to look after Madeleine, three, and two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, while they went for dinner, because they "don't like leaving them with strangers", their family said.
Mrs McCann's mother, Susan Healy, said the couple had made a mistake in leaving the children alone, but criticism of them was totally unjustified

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[Glenn.]

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.


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Even worse that they did it every night. And people are defending this.

[Zizu]

I'm talking about when people are on foreign holidays not when children are on their summer holidays from school.


It’s still neglect


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