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Denver
20-10-2019, 05:55 PM
:hehe: we love ending winning runs
Yes by cheating
Denver
20-10-2019, 05:55 PM
I do honestly think Atkinson needs to be investigated and the VAR team, very dodgy today
Denver
20-10-2019, 05:56 PM
Who would have thought our best players would have been Lallana and Keita though?
Mystic Mock
21-10-2019, 02:42 AM
Atkinson is a Utd fan
Is that allowed?
Because if so then I want to Referee some Birmingham City games.:laugh:
GiRTh
21-10-2019, 07:36 PM
We went two full games without conceding a goal. One of those games was actually in the Premiership. We're back to normal now. :facepalm:
GiRTh
21-10-2019, 08:53 PM
:shrug::bored:
Shaun
22-10-2019, 04:11 AM
Emery is completely clueless.
GiRTh
22-10-2019, 08:26 AM
#SpanishPardew
michael21
22-10-2019, 09:04 PM
Spurs won 5-0 tonight the same on Sunday to make it a perfit 10 :cheer2:
Rufus
25-10-2019, 09:04 PM
Wow Leicester absolutely ruined Southampton.
My fantasy team scored more points tonight than the whole of last week thanks to Vardy (and Maddison) lol
GiRTh
25-10-2019, 10:07 PM
I remember when Brendan Rodgers was touted as an Arsenal manager. Typical Arsenal fans, like me, said no chance. I wonder how he's doing?
Mystic Mock
26-10-2019, 12:19 AM
A fantastic result for Leicester last night, they looked like a top 4 team, even if Southampton weren't at their best.
Luckily for Southampton fans the only way is up from here on out. I just hope that they give Hassenhutl a bit more time.
Rufus
26-10-2019, 12:44 AM
A fantastic result for Leicester last night, they looked like a top 4 team, even if Southampton weren't at their best.
Luckily for Southampton fans the only way is up from here on out. I just hope that they give Hassenhutl a bit more time.
They are a top 4 team imo.
Denver
26-10-2019, 12:47 AM
The thing is Rodgers doesnt know how to set up to defend, he shipped over 50 goals per season in 3 year worth us
Mystic Mock
26-10-2019, 01:01 AM
They are a top 4 team imo.
Tbh I agree with you. I just didn't wanna be the first one to suggest it in case people thought I was being OTT.
And @WickedSkengMan, you're probably gonna end up being right as Leicester will throw away points through the season to stop them from being in contention for the title with Liverpool and Man City.
GiRTh
27-10-2019, 06:05 PM
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GiRTh
27-10-2019, 06:10 PM
This situation has been caused by Emery. He plays Xhaka even when he makes mistakes, Xhaka then makes even more mistakes, fans get on him, Emery still starts him in every league game. Its compounded when you look at how Emery treats Ozil.
These decisions are going to get Emery the sack
michael21
27-10-2019, 06:56 PM
47 seconds :cheer2:
Dogeatdog
27-10-2019, 07:55 PM
This situation has been caused by Emery. He plays Xhaka even when he makes mistakes, Xhaka then makes even more mistakes, fans get on him, Emery still starts him in every league game. Its compounded when you look at how Emery treats Ozil.
These decisions are going to get Emery the sack
I agree with this.
It was a huge error that Xhaka was made to be captain in the first place and I struggle to understand why Emery persists with starting Xhaka week after week, when people can clearly see he is an average player at best.
Kinda feel for players like Aubameyang also as the midfield just lack a lot of creativity, hopefully this game will be a wake up call for Emery to start Torreira more and bring Ozil back into the squad and really change things up heading into the next fixture.
GiRTh
27-10-2019, 08:16 PM
I agree with this.
It was a huge error that Xhaka was made to be captain in the first place and I struggle to understand why Emery persists with starting Xhaka week after week, when people can clearly see he is an average player at best.
Kinda feel for players like Aubameyang also as the midfield just lack a lot of creativity, hopefully this game will be a wake up call for Emery to start Torreira more and bring Ozil back into the squad and really change things up heading into the next fixture.Ghendouzi is turning into the player we thought we were getting when we signed Xhaka.
This has been coming to a head for a while and I think Emery's poor judgement is the biggest culprit. Xhaka played Ok today so I see why he was p*ssed that he was getting taken off.
The boos didnt start till he slowly drudged off the field dragging his heels. He's s the captain, run off the pitch and let the team get on with it. His reaction was a disgrace. Surely he cant play, never mind be captain in the next few games.
Dogeatdog
27-10-2019, 08:49 PM
Ghendouzi is turning into the player we thought we were getting when we signed Xhaka.
This has been coming to a head for a while and I think Emery's poor judgement is the biggest culprit. Xhaka played Ok today so I see why he was p*ssed that he was getting taken off.
The boos didnt start till he slowly drudged off the field dragging his heels. He's s the captain, run off the pitch and let the team get on with it. His reaction was a disgrace. Surely he cant play, never mind be captain in the next few games.
Agree with all of this GiRTh.
I feel Xhaka has reacted so badly to this situation I don’t think he should remain as captain. It’s disrespectful to the fans that pay all that money to watch the team play, if they are unhappy with how the team or a specific player is performing, then they have a right to voice their frustrations.
Xhaka had an ok game today but I think the boos were more to do with the fact that since he’s been at Arsenal he hasn’t really proved himself to be worthy of that captains badge and Emery’s really poor judgement and tactics.
I don’t think this whole thing be blamed entirely at just Xhaka, like you say Emery’s poor judgement is what’s been causing this situation to be brewing for a while.
GiRTh
27-10-2019, 09:03 PM
Arsenal Fan Tv has been brilliant so far. Back to the glory days of about 2015.
michael21
31-10-2019, 08:26 PM
Anyone know what the table would look like with out var
GiRTh
31-10-2019, 09:26 PM
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Thats not an apology. I kinds knew this was going to happen as the disrespect between this player and fans has been going on for ages. We'll see if he's still captain on Saturday; my guess is he will be and thats not gonna fly with the arsenal fans.
The manager needs to lead on this issue and I doubt he will.
Mystic Mock
01-11-2019, 12:31 AM
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Thats not an apology. I kinds knew this was going to happen as the disrespect between this player and fans has been going on for ages. We'll see if he's still captain on Saturday; my guess is he will be and thats not gonna fly with the arsenal fans.
The manager needs to lead on this issue and I doubt he will.
He shouldn't be captain on Saturday imo.
However I do feel sorry for him if himself and his family have received death threats just because of how he plays Football, these people should get some perspective.
Denver
02-11-2019, 02:36 PM
Man U have been fantastic this season
GiRTh
02-11-2019, 02:50 PM
Xhaka not in the squad. Bit surprised TBH.
Ozil and 'touch, flick, dribble' Ceballos in the same team? :umm2: This could go horribly wrong or well play them off the park.
GiRTh
02-11-2019, 02:55 PM
He shouldn't be captain on Saturday imo.
However I do feel sorry for him if himself and his family have received death threats just because of how he plays Football, these people should get some perspective.The social media posts are totally out of order and cannot be defended.
The whole situation with him has been brewing for a while and I think both Xhaka and the coach are partly responsible. He doesnt fit into the way the modern midfield plays, he too slow and unathletic opponents can literally run round him and still get to the ball before he does and the things he does that make me question the level he's played at. He should have been managed better given his limited skill set.
Shaun
02-11-2019, 03:32 PM
Villa :omgno:
Denver
02-11-2019, 03:35 PM
How are Moss and Atkinson allowed to keep cheating us? Villas goal was offside but was given our goal was onside but ruled out
GiRTh
02-11-2019, 04:35 PM
Takes Torreira off we concede a goal. How many times does this have to happen?
Denver
02-11-2019, 04:45 PM
So the rear has really screwed us over today, he has to be sacked.
He has proved time and time again he is a terrible ref who favours certain teams
Denver
02-11-2019, 04:56 PM
I need to marry Mane
GiRTh
02-11-2019, 06:39 PM
Wolves had 25 shots . :facepalm:
We actually played OK for large sections of the game and Ozil was good again.
Apparently the reason why Torreira is playing as our most advanced mid fielders is to start the 'press'. You know when I said Emery was clueless I didnt expect him to keep giving such good examples. Torreira is our best defensive mid, even though he never plays there, the team is conceding alot of goal, we always concede when he's taken off so Emery has him playing just to tackle and win the ball back high up the field. I rest my case. I'd take Mourinho in a heart beat.
Mystic Mock
03-11-2019, 07:34 PM
How are Moss and Atkinson allowed to keep cheating us? Villas goal was offside but was given our goal was onside but ruled out
They were handheld through the Championship last season too.
They were allowed to actually try and give a concussion to poor Jutkiewicz last season. So I'm not surprised that they can get away with a more mild offence in comparison.
And to change the topic for a second, do you think that Son's red card should be recinded? I feel torn as it clearly wasn't Son's intention to hurt the player, but ultimately I've seen other players do similar challenges in the past that have led to a player getting injured, and the outcome has always been a red card.
Denver
03-11-2019, 07:38 PM
Has anyone seen the clip released of them manipulating the line to make Firmino offside?
Black Dagger
03-11-2019, 07:39 PM
Gurl why are you making out as if the FA have an agenda against you.
Denver
03-11-2019, 07:41 PM
Gurl why are you making out as if the FA have an agenda against you.
Well Atkinson and Moss are known to hate Liverpool and there has been so many incidents that they should be punished for
Denver
03-11-2019, 07:41 PM
I mean how can someone be offside by their armpit?
Black Dagger
03-11-2019, 07:43 PM
Well Atkinson and Moss are known to hate Liverpool and there has been so many incidents that they should be punished for
You get penalty chances literally every game luv.
michael21
03-11-2019, 09:51 PM
Has anyone seen the clip released of them manipulating the line to make Firmino offside?
If he not offside then Liverpool should complain to the fa post the clip
All credit to Bruce at Newcastle, i thought they were going to be dire this season
Denver
09-11-2019, 05:05 PM
Poch has to resign before he destroys his reputation
Crimson Dynamo
09-11-2019, 05:16 PM
Poch has to resign before he destroys his reputation
WHOOOAH
Roman coin face Pelligrini needs to go first :oh:
Mystic Mock
09-11-2019, 05:25 PM
Gurl why are you making out as if the FA have an agenda against you.
They love Aston Villa so I wouldn't be surprised if dirty tactics have been used by the FA.
GiRTh
09-11-2019, 05:29 PM
If this late game goes the way I think, Arsenal will be looking for a new manager in about an hour and half.
Denver
09-11-2019, 07:03 PM
North London teams just hate winning dont they
GiRTh
09-11-2019, 07:08 PM
North London teams just hate winning dont theyWe've played OK, much better than in recent weeks. Took them 70 minutes to score, 2-0 soon after, I reckon they'll get a couple more by full time.
#EmeryOut.
GiRTh
09-11-2019, 07:12 PM
Why take off Torrera and bring on Willock? Its a like for like substitution. Pointless. Clueless. :conf:
Denver
09-11-2019, 07:15 PM
The problem is you rely to much on certain players and dont have a manager good enough to coach the players who have a point to prove
This Leicester team look seriously good, they and Chelsea are a class above any other top 4 contender atm
Emery lost control, Arsenal aren't turning it around any time soon
Denver
09-11-2019, 07:22 PM
This Leicester team look seriously good, they and Chelsea are a class above any other top 4 contender atm
Emery lost control, Arsenal aren't turning it around any time soon
I'm guessing your ruling out Liverpool and City because their title challengers and pretty much guaranteed top 4?
Denver
09-11-2019, 07:23 PM
Leicester weak spot will be their defence because Rodgers cant defend and they will be found out as the season goes ahead
GiRTh
09-11-2019, 07:26 PM
The problem is you rely to much on certain players and dont have a manager good enough to coach the players who have a point to proveThats one of many problems.
Without Aubameyang Arsenal would be mid-table by now. Lacazette coming back is not playing great and now he's back that means Auba is now playing wide. He's not as effective out there. With this team, I reckon by new year Arsenal will be barely in the top half of the table.
To put things into perspective. This game is the best I've seen us play for months and we still lose 2-0 to Leicester. Arsenal are in trouble and we need to act now. Mourinho wont be liked but I'd hold my nose if Jose is appointed and accept him. It'll probably be Freddy Ljunberg tlll the end of the season.
We aint getting a top tier manager so I'd like us to have a look at Arteta. He's been Peps no 2 for three years now and has taken full charge of the team when Pep has been banned. He'd bring that style and hopefully intensity to the Emirate.
Its time to go for Unai.
I'm guessing your ruling out Liverpool and City because their title challengers and pretty much guaranteed top 4?
Yeah I think
Liverpool/City
Leicester/Chelsea
Everyone else
Crimson Dynamo
09-11-2019, 07:26 PM
woo hoo Vardy Captain, Caspar clean sheet and soyuuuuuuuuunkuuuuuuu CS
BOOM
Crimson Dynamo
09-11-2019, 07:27 PM
Leicester were very good
Also Captained Vardy, Maddison goal and Chilwell clean sheet :smug:
Had Tammy captain as well until 6.55 yesterday evening
i think the top 4 now will be top 4 at the end of the season. The other usual contenders have been pretty bad
Mystic Mock
10-11-2019, 04:29 AM
Tbh the game was pretty even up until about the last 20 minutes where Leicester upped their game and Arsenal just couldn't seem to keep up.
If Arsenal do sack Emery then Mourinho probably isn't a bad pick for this particular Arsenal side as he would tighten up their defence, and he'd probably make Aumbamayang the club 's very own Drogba where he could easily bag the team 20 goals a season if he was played properly.
GiRTh
10-11-2019, 04:39 PM
Great goal from Fabinho.
Denver
10-11-2019, 04:41 PM
I love my team
Denver
10-11-2019, 04:45 PM
I love them si much
Agueros a tool, if he hadn't stopped to appeal for a handball he could have tapped it back to Sterling and City go 1-0 up
And their back 4 is a joke
Denver
10-11-2019, 04:52 PM
I've just seen once City fan on twitter wanting to erase this season from history because they are losing :skull:
Black Dagger
10-11-2019, 04:54 PM
I love my team
Lol. You would have been crying if what had happened had been the other way around.
But no. The FA definitely don't want you to win the league.
Denver
10-11-2019, 04:55 PM
Lol. You would have been crying if what had happened had been the other way around.
But no. The FA definitely don't want you to win the league.
Not when they ruled our goal offside last week when it wasnt,
Maybe your manager should teach your players to play on rather then give up and let a goal go in
Black Dagger
10-11-2019, 04:56 PM
Or may be VAR should do it's job properly and know what a handball is.
Black Dagger
10-11-2019, 04:57 PM
And that's ignoring Salah being offside for the 2nd but yes.. agenda against the Scousers xx
Denver
10-11-2019, 04:59 PM
Or may be VAR should do it's job properly and know what a handball is.
It wasnt a handball as there was nowhere for his harm to go and it wasnt raised, it was hit onto his arm
Niamh.
10-11-2019, 05:35 PM
And that's ignoring Salah being offside for the 2nd but yes.. agenda against the Scousers xxHe wasn't offside
The Slim Reaper
10-11-2019, 07:03 PM
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Mystic Mock
10-11-2019, 09:20 PM
Or may be VAR should do it's job properly and know what a handball is.
Well VAR can join Andy Madley in the worst decisions of the season so far.
Or may be VAR should do it's job properly and know what a handball is.
Guess you didn’t spot that when Lovren booted the ball (attempting a clearance) it bounced off Bernado Silva’s HAND then onto TAA’s hand !!
They couldn’t give a handball against TAA as it came off Silva’s hand first ..
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michael21
10-11-2019, 10:49 PM
Out the top 4 now which team will drop the most point
Niamh.
11-11-2019, 11:09 AM
:love:
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The Slim Reaper
11-11-2019, 11:10 AM
Nothin special
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Nicky91
11-11-2019, 11:15 AM
Arsenal's crisis or PSV's crisis
idk which team looks more of a mess at the moment :laugh:
i mean psv's support were shouting OFF OFF OFF to coach mark van bommel, and he was back inside first, way before players headed to dressing room :shrug:
and some psv's hardcore fans call van bommel the ''rotten apple'' of the team :o
i wonder when arsenal's fans will turn against Emery
Arsenal's crisis or PSV's crisis
idk which team looks more of a mess at the moment :laugh:
i mean psv's support were shouting OFF OFF OFF to coach mark van bommel, and he was back inside first, way before players headed to dressing room :shrug:
and some psv's hardcore fans call van bommel the ''rotten apple'' of the team :o
i wonder when arsenal's fans will turn against Emery
They already have ...chants of Emery out were heard apparently..
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The Slim Reaper
12-11-2019, 03:41 PM
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Crimson Dynamo
12-11-2019, 03:47 PM
Meanwhile, Citeh's players are attacking innocent people...
Black Dagger
12-11-2019, 03:57 PM
Yeah. City players have never done charity work or anything
Crimson Dynamo
12-11-2019, 03:59 PM
Yeah. City players have never done charity work or anything
well its high time they did as they get paid enough. maybe that is why they are throwing the title away to Liverpool?
and may finish behind Leicester
Black Dagger
12-11-2019, 04:02 PM
We literally go to Manchester children's hospital every year and do donations. Maybe research that.
We were 10 points behind this time last year and Liverpool managed to bottle it as per usual.
The Slim Reaper
12-11-2019, 04:07 PM
We literally go to Manchester children's hospital every year and do donations. Maybe research that.
We were 10 points behind this time last year and Liverpool managed to bottle it as per usual.
Pretty sure 97 points isn't really bottling it, considering only 1 team has ever got a higher points tally. All the great teams in the history of the league and all it took was a bunch of plucky underdogs funded by a nation state on the backs of slaves to spend more money than god has.
It was a great race and you deserved it, but it's not a level playing field. Any team getting within 10 pts of you for the last couple of years needs to be recognised as doing a great job.
Denver
12-11-2019, 04:13 PM
I dont know how City fans live with themselves knowing where the money comes from
Black Dagger
12-11-2019, 04:42 PM
Not arsed hun. Our owner has put money into regenerating the greater Manchester area. He's not a monster.
Denver
12-11-2019, 04:44 PM
Not arsed hun. Our owner has put money into regenerating the greater Manchester area. He's not a monster.
So all those people who are killed for being gay in his country is acceptable as long as he puts money into your team.
Its blood money
Black Dagger
12-11-2019, 04:55 PM
Lmao. Don't you watch the WWE? Have morals when it suits you I see x
Denver
12-11-2019, 04:58 PM
Which I have numerous of times spoke out against the deal
michael21
19-11-2019, 09:06 PM
Spurs will beat West ham :cheer2:
michael21
21-11-2019, 09:11 PM
Spurs are winning the league next season king mourinho said
Denver
21-11-2019, 11:08 PM
I mean he is gonna take you from attractive football to the most boring football nothing to be happy about
Best day of the year tomorrow
Can't wait for us to give Mourinho a spanking in his first game
michael21
23-11-2019, 06:12 AM
I mean he is gonna take you from attractive football to the most boring football nothing to be happy about
attractive football you say that the nicest thing you said about spurs king mourinho is working his magic all ready :cheer2:
michael21
23-11-2019, 06:16 AM
Best day of the year tomorrow
Can't wait for us to give Mourinho a spanking in his first game
No king mourinho will slect the right formation to beat west ham but yes its a good day king mourinho Frist game as spurs manage :cheer2:
No king mourinho will slect the right formation to beat west ham but yes its a good day king mourinho Frist game as spurs manage :cheer2:
His usual tactics at Madrid were to wait until half time then being on three world class strikers off the bench ... sooooo that ain’t gonna happen at Spurs ..
It’s one of the most perplexing things I’ve ever come across football-wise .
A manager who’s main stipulation for success is to add hundreds of £millions to the existing squad joins forces with the tightest owner/ team in world football
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michael21
23-11-2019, 09:40 AM
His usual tactics at Madrid were to wait until half time then being on three world class strikers off the bench ... sooooo that ain’t gonna happen at Spurs ..
It’s one of the most perplexing things I’ve ever come across football-wise .
A manager who’s main stipulation for success is to add hundreds of £millions to the existing squad joins forces with the tightest owner/ team in world football
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Oh I don't remember king mourinho using that tactic at man u :smug:
Oh I don't remember king mourinho using that tactic at man u :smug:
He didn’t have the option to bring on three world class strikers at Utd .. prob why he failed ..
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michael21
23-11-2019, 01:48 PM
king mourinho got spurs from 14 to 5th and three world class strikers have score
king mourinho :cheer2::dance::cheer2::dance:
michael21
23-11-2019, 01:50 PM
Still time for more goals yet
We're a shambles. Talented players up front who don't give a toss and defenders who do try but are just useless. And don't get me started on Roberto.. it's weird because 2 months ago we looked really promising and I thought we were lucky to have Pellegrini but now he just looks lost
Noble and Rice the only ones who can carry any respect atm
michael21
23-11-2019, 02:30 PM
So under king mourinho
Played 1 won 1
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
Denver
23-11-2019, 04:31 PM
We love you Emery we do
GiRTh
23-11-2019, 04:33 PM
We'll be mid table by the time they sack him
Denver
23-11-2019, 04:45 PM
Bobby saving us :love:
Denver
23-11-2019, 04:46 PM
It's weird seeing us to continue winning while playing so bad, a few years ago this would have been a loss or high scoring draw
Crimson Dynamo
23-11-2019, 04:50 PM
Arsenal :laugh:
mind you WHAM hopefully will sack Roman Coin face first
Denver
23-11-2019, 04:55 PM
Arsenal get lucky with a 96 minute goal
GiRTh
23-11-2019, 05:05 PM
Arsenal get lucky with a 96 minute goalPoch in.
GiRTh
23-11-2019, 05:33 PM
Southampton had 21 attempts on goal. Third time this season we've given up more than 20 attempts on goal. :facepalm:
michael21
23-11-2019, 08:37 PM
Poch in.
Not sure he going to say on the UK
Poch in.
Swap you Pellegrini for Emery
GiRTh
23-11-2019, 11:29 PM
Swap you Pellegrini for Emery
No, it'd be like having Wenger back.:laugh:
The minutes tick away for OGS and ManU !!!
2:0 down to Sheffield United .. and there’s only one United playing decent football ..
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2:2
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ManU are now winning 3:2 !!
3 goals in 7 minutes .
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Lol Christ knows how United are winning this
SU got very sloppy
3:3 !!!
OGS’s job on the line again :)
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Prediction time ..
Arsenal and Everton will sack their managers next few days ...
So I’m thinking Moyes back to Everton and either Arteta or Nuno Espírito Santo to Arsenal .
ManU will sack OGS after their defeat to Jose’s Spurs next week ... no idea who takes over at United though
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Crimson Dynamo
25-11-2019, 06:52 PM
what about Eddie to wham?
what about Eddie to wham?
Yeah good shout !!
I forgot about West Ham ..
I reckon Poch will wait for a call from either Real Madrid , PSG or JUVE
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Denver
25-11-2019, 07:03 PM
I think Poch will take the Bayern job, he has the best chance of winning trophies there
Crimson Dynamo
25-11-2019, 07:08 PM
I think Poch will take the Bayern job, he has the best chance of winning trophies there
he has won NOTHING
No club should give this failure specialist a job
GiRTh
25-11-2019, 07:30 PM
he has won NOTHING
No club should give this failure specialist a jobI'd take him. :laugh:
You do him a disservice. Remember that Spurs team when he took over? Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, Bentaleb, Capue stinking up the pitch every week. He got rid of the lot. People forget how much of a mess Spurs were when he took over. They'd p*ssed the Gareth Bale money down the drain and bought a bunch of deadbeats. If he did half the job at Arsenal I'd be happy.
Denver
25-11-2019, 07:32 PM
he has won NOTHING
No club should give this failure specialist a job
Because he has a team of players that care more about themselves then the team
Crimson Dynamo
25-11-2019, 07:33 PM
I'd take him. :laugh:
You do him a disservice. Remember that Spurs team when he took over? Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, Bentaleb, Capue stinking up the pitch every week. He got rid of the lot. People forget how much of a mess Spurs were when he took over. They'd p*ssed the Gareth Bale money down the drain and bought a bunch of deadbeats. If he did half the job at Arsenal I'd be happy.
he won nothing
football is about winning
GiRTh
25-11-2019, 07:38 PM
he won nothing
football is about winning
Actually its not. The job of a coach so often is simply to make the players better. There is only one Championship and only one team can win it so you are displaying a somewhat simplistic view. Spurs have consistently finished top four and reached a Champions league final. As an Arsenal fan I know thats a long way from how they looked when he took over.
Crimson Dynamo
25-11-2019, 07:45 PM
he leaves spurs as he arrived as a team that wins FA
his job is to win, not to make money or run a business
levi has used him and the fans
Denver
25-11-2019, 07:47 PM
Yet you want Eddie Howe at WH despite only winning 1 championship trophy in what was a poor season for most teams in that league
GiRTh
25-11-2019, 07:51 PM
he leaves spurs as he arrived as a team that wins FA
his job is to win, not to make money or run a business
levi has used him and the fansHe leaves the squad in a much better shape than he took over. They have the best English striker, three very strong center backs, a modern mobile midfield and wild cards in Alli, Son and Erickssen.
His job is to coach the players.:shrug:
What are you on about? You think Levy used him to get Mourinho.? Did he hatch this plan five years ago? :conf:
GiRTh
25-11-2019, 07:52 PM
Yet you want Eddie Howe at WH despite only winning 1 championship trophy in what was a poor season for most teams in that league:laugh:
Yeah why do you want this loser LT?
Crimson Dynamo
25-11-2019, 07:56 PM
Yet you want Eddie Howe at WH despite only winning 1 championship trophy in what was a poor season for most teams in that league
no i said its a rumour
GiRTh
25-11-2019, 08:09 PM
But you still dont want him right cuz hes won nothing. Rumour or no rumour. :shrug:
Villa lead Newcastle 2:0 at halftime ... Jack Grealish absolutely running the show ..
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King Gizzard
25-11-2019, 10:19 PM
Up the mother****ing Villa x
King Gizzard
25-11-2019, 10:20 PM
Grealish is ****ing ridiculous. Finally people another than Villa fans are realising how insanely good he is
Niamh.
25-11-2019, 10:22 PM
Up the mother****ing Villa xHourihane FC [emoji16]
King Gizzard
25-11-2019, 10:23 PM
I love Conor and I love he’s starting to be appreciated from our fans
Mystic Mock
26-11-2019, 12:37 AM
he won nothing
football is about winning
He got them top 4 finishes consistently and a Champions League final despite not even spending half of the money that Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool were spending.
The question is could any of those Managers at those clubs have achieved the same success at Tottenham under those same conditions? The answer is very likely no.
Denver
26-11-2019, 12:42 AM
He got them top 4 finishes consistently and a Champions League final despite not even spending half of the money that Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, and Liverpool were spending.
The question is could any of those Managers at those clubs have achieved the same success at Tottenham under those same conditions? The answer is very likely no.
Klopp defo could, let's not forget he won the Bundesliga on a tight budget
Mystic Mock
26-11-2019, 01:06 AM
Klopp defo could, let's not forget he won the Bundesliga on a tight budget
I think that he'd be more likely to pull it off than Guardiola who would too inexperienced at managing a team that's run like Tottenham.
michael21
26-11-2019, 10:01 PM
king mourinho got spurs thought to the last 16 of the cl
Now king mourinho will win at the weekend and spurs will move up the table
king mourinho played 2 won 2 :cheer2:
michael21
29-11-2019, 11:14 AM
Some one been sack this morning :cheer2:
michael21
29-11-2019, 11:15 AM
Good job spurs have already got king mourinho:dance::cheer2::dance::cheer2:
King Gizzard
29-11-2019, 01:16 PM
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Best day ever
Denver
30-11-2019, 02:18 PM
Shelvey still has his Liverpool Jersey :love:
Denver
30-11-2019, 05:01 PM
Not sure what was going through Alissons head there? Did he think he was in the box or did he purposely get sent off to stop a goal? I'd rather have conceded then oose him for 3 games
Denver
30-11-2019, 05:02 PM
Also how the hp can a ref let a free kick happen when the keeper isnt in his net and not ready?
Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2019, 05:04 PM
So proud of Dave Martin
:clap2:
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Mystic Mock
30-11-2019, 08:05 PM
So proud of Dave Martin
:clap2:
https://resources.premierleague.com/photos/2019/06/03/e3f041aa-4786-43bf-96af-23128aebc642/martin-west-ham.png?width=930&height=620
It sounds like an incredible game for West Ham today.
michael21
30-11-2019, 08:54 PM
king mourinho played 3 won 3
I had spurs to win and over 0.5 goals in the first half and over 2.5 in 90mins build your bet
Won £150.79 :cheer2:
king mourinho got spurs up to 5th and 2 of the top 4 drop points :cheer2:
So proud of Dave Martin
:clap2:
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Our hero our saviour
GiRTh
01-12-2019, 01:58 PM
Mustafi ? Xhaka both back in the team? Every Arsenal manager has some kind f love affair with Xhaka. They cant leave him out, I dont get it. :shrug:
GiRTh
01-12-2019, 03:56 PM
Mustafi ? Xhaka both back in the team? Every Arsenal manager has some kind f love affair with Xhaka. They cant leave him out, I dont get it. :shrug:X2
Better. The players are playing for Freddie but the players mentioned showed once again, they aint up to this level. Mustafi and Luiz put in the spin cycle by Pukki for their first goal, Xhaka vacating his space for their second. I hope Freddie isnt prepared to die on this hill like Emery and Wenger. Phase these two players out of the team surely he's seen enough of these performances from both.
King Gizzard
01-12-2019, 04:44 PM
Still think Barkley is better than Grealish Southgate you tosser?
James
03-12-2019, 03:44 PM
These games are all live on Amazon Prime.
Tuesday, 3 December
Crystal Palace v Bournemouth - 19:30
Burnley v Manchester City - 20:15
Wednesday, 4 December
Chelsea v Aston Villa - 19:30
Leicester City v Watford - 19:30
Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur - 19:30
Southampton v Norwich City - 19:30
Wolverhampton Wanderers v West Ham United - 19:30
Liverpool v Everton - 20:15
Thursday, 5 December
Sheffield United v Newcastle United - 19:30
Arsenal v Brighton and Hove Albion - 20:15
Crimson Dynamo
03-12-2019, 03:51 PM
yes dont forget to do your teams by 6.30
James
03-12-2019, 09:04 PM
You can turn off commentary, and only hear stadium noise on Amazon Prime. :thumbs:
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:30 PM
Yes I like it on my big smart TV very good and easy to use there been no problem and the city game was in uhd :cheer2:
Crimson Dynamo
03-12-2019, 10:40 PM
You can turn off commentary, and only hear stadium noise on Amazon Prime. :thumbs:
I did this briefly
Crimson Dynamo
03-12-2019, 10:41 PM
U could not get this on my sky Q so I watched it on my Kindle
Is it on sky Q?
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:49 PM
U could not get this on my sky Q so I watched it on my Kindle
Is it on sky Q?
I watching it on my smart TV on prime video I don't think it available on any sky platform
You can also see all the goal I see on the meue thing very good I like it
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:50 PM
Gabby and al and the other 2 are still talking about the match guess it end at 11pm
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:51 PM
That right gabby spurs game will be good
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:51 PM
king mourinho on
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:55 PM
It's ending now
michael21
03-12-2019, 10:56 PM
It says thus event has ended
Mystic Mock
04-12-2019, 11:39 PM
That was a good win for Solskjaer going into a very tough game against Man City at the Etihad this weekend.
A shame for Tottenham though Michael, at least your women's drew with our women's team tonight though.
michael21
04-12-2019, 11:59 PM
That was a good win for Solskjaer going into a very tough game against Man City at the Etihad this weekend.
A shame for Tottenham though Michael, at least your women's drew with our women's team tonight though.
Tbf that the best I seen man u play in a long time spurs still score the best goal :cheer2:
Prime video is very good :cheer2:
Mystic Mock
05-12-2019, 03:46 AM
Tbf that the best I seen man u play in a long time spurs still score the best goal :cheer2:
Prime video is very good :cheer2:
I've heard good things about Prime Video quite a lot tonight.:laugh:
And from what I saw on MOTD I would agree with you, Man Utd looked quite solid which I haven't seen them look like throughout most of this season.
The Slim Reaper
05-12-2019, 04:22 PM
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I've heard good things about Prime Video quite a lot tonight.:laugh:
And from what I saw on MOTD I would agree with you, Man Utd looked quite solid which I haven't seen them look like throughout most of this season.
I watched the first half of United and there was a bit of buffering .. I also tried ChromeCasting but it froze after a few minutes each time I tried .
8:15 switched to watching the delayed Liverpool game .. decent quality on IPad and I daren’t try casting as there seemed to be a goal every 5 minutes :)
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Crimson Dynamo
05-12-2019, 04:40 PM
on the way home from work last night i had to listen to some "expert" ex player on 5 live spend like 15 mins having a go at Klopp for a disrespectful line up - why Lovern, Origi, Shaqiri and LLana should not be playing yada yada
then the first half happened
:skull:
The Slim Reaper
05-12-2019, 04:42 PM
on the way home from work last night i had to listen to some "expert" ex player on 5 live spend like 15 mins having a go at Klopp for a disrespectful line up - why Lovern, Origi, Shaqiri and LLana should not be playing yada yada
then the first half happened
:skull:
It was pretty disrespectful. Just made it better
Denver
05-12-2019, 04:43 PM
It's the same front 3 that destroyed Barcelona so no disrespect about it
Crimson Dynamo
05-12-2019, 04:45 PM
Alf will be pleased he is banned
Denver
05-12-2019, 04:46 PM
Glad Everton are getting Relegated
The Slim Reaper
05-12-2019, 06:35 PM
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Crimson Dynamo
05-12-2019, 06:36 PM
:laugh2:
michael21
05-12-2019, 07:23 PM
I am watching prime video ready for tonights live football
Everton sack there manager there just said on prime
Crimson Dynamo
05-12-2019, 07:25 PM
im watching Sheff U on prime tonight. Me and the Boy are having a huge Prime watchfest on Boxing day with a few cans and lots of junk food
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 07:35 PM
XHaka, Sokratis and Luiz. :facepalm:
Didn't i say at the beginning of the season these three players will get Emery the sack. Not too difficult to predict TBH :shrug: So why the **** are they all still in the team now Freddies manager. Freddies seen these players fail over and over again yet they are all in his lineup. Why is Pepe not in the side? He hasn't started for about a month.
I think the board need to step up the search for a new manager. Freddies remit is to climb the table, he aint climbing the table with these players.
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 07:51 PM
Watching on Prime. What the ****** is Pardew doing at an Arsenal match? Get him out the Emirates or he might think he's got a chance at getting the job.
Watching on Prime. What the ****** is Pardew doing at an Arsenal match? Get him out the Emirates or he might think he's got a chance at getting the job.
Well they need to sort out their defence ..
:)
Be very afraid !!
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im watching Sheff U on prime tonight. Me and the Boy are having a huge Prime watchfest on Boxing day with a few cans and lots of junk food
I’m watching this as we speak .. are you a Sheff United fan ??
I kinda have a soft spot for Newcastle .. Andy Carroll , the two brothers and Stevie Bruce are kinda endearing
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Are Sheffield the team who play with three CBS who come out with the ball or something ??
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Crimson Dynamo
05-12-2019, 08:09 PM
I’m watching this as we speak .. are you a Sheff United fan ??
I kinda have a soft spot for Newcastle .. Andy Carroll , the two brothers and Stevie Bruce are kinda endearing
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No I just want Lundstram to score
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 08:15 PM
Well they need to sort out their defence ..
:)
Be very afraid !!
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Pardew and Big Sam the perenniel football doctors.
Our defense needs alot of work so the manager selects the players who are most responsible for our negative goal difference :facepalm:
Nice new manager bounce from Ljungberg then
James
05-12-2019, 08:55 PM
Watching this Arsenal game I can see why Girth complains so much lol.
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 08:57 PM
Watching this Arsenal game I can see why Girth complains so much lol.:laugh:
You see it now eh? We're terrible. Out played at home to Brighton. :facepalm:
Why is Pepe not in the team? :conf:
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 09:02 PM
Nice new manager bounce from Ljungberg thenHis audition isnt going well at all. He's not up to the job IMO.
Dogeatdog
05-12-2019, 09:07 PM
I’m watching this game. Arsenal just seem to be playing with no confidence whatsoever. Brighton have definitely looked like the stronger side in this half, nearly going 2-0 up as well :shocked:
Crimson Dynamo
05-12-2019, 09:36 PM
2-1 Arsenal
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 09:37 PM
2-1 ArsenalNo VAR disallowed it.
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 09:39 PM
That goal would have made Luiz our third top scorer in the league with three.
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 10:12 PM
So do you all believe me now that we'r terrible? We gave up 20 shots for the fifth time this season. To put into perspective that period at the start of the 2nd half is easily the best I've seen us play all season in the league. SO what does Freddie do, take off an attacker for another. I still ask why no one has played Pep, Auba, Lacazette and Ozil together at the same time. Its not like we're keeping it tight at the back; we're giving up two goals a game. The defence is hopeless so I think our only tactic from now on should be to score one more than the opposition; no more complicated that that. So I ask again, why have our best four attackers never been on the pitch at the same time.
Dogeatdog
05-12-2019, 10:30 PM
Looked like Arsenal was gonna come back at the beginning of the 2nd half, thought Pepe injected a bit of life into that team when he came on but they ended up just going back to how they was playing in the 1st half. The Lacazette substitution was a bit bizarre, IMO he was one of better players on the pitch I don’t know why they brought him off :shrug:
Again it’s the defence that just let them down, giving Brighton so much space and they took advantage of that. The morale in that team must be so low at the moment, players unhappy with each other.etc. I do wonder how they’ll turn this around?
King Gizzard
05-12-2019, 10:34 PM
League is ridiculous this season. Anyone outside the relegation zone is two wins from Europa League and we’re in December
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 10:49 PM
Looked like Arsenal was gonna come back at the beginning of the 2nd half, thought Pepe injected a bit of life into that team when he came on but they ended up just going back to how they was playing in the 1st half. The Lacazette substitution was a bit bizarre, IMO he was one of better players on the pitch I don’t know why they brought him off :shrug:
Again it’s the defence that just let them down, giving Brighton so much space and they took advantage of that. The morale in that team must be so low at the moment, players unhappy with each other.etc. I do wonder how they’ll turn this around?
We were never coming back, dont let them fool you.
michael21
05-12-2019, 11:21 PM
We were never coming back, dont let them fool you.
If you could get point for being offside you be top of the league :laugh:
GiRTh
05-12-2019, 11:33 PM
If you could get point for being offside you be top of the league :laugh::laugh:
We lead in bad passes too.
Mystic Mock
06-12-2019, 11:38 PM
I watched the first half of United and there was a bit of buffering .. I also tried ChromeCasting but it froze after a few minutes each time I tried .
8:15 switched to watching the delayed Liverpool game .. decent quality on IPad and I daren’t try casting as there seemed to be a goal every 5 minutes :)
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Well at least you ended up catching a very exciting game.
Mystic Mock
06-12-2019, 11:42 PM
Watching on Prime. What the ****** is Pardew doing at an Arsenal match? Get him out the Emirates or he might think he's got a chance at getting the job.
Tbf he might be your next Manager.:joker:
Mystic Mock
06-12-2019, 11:51 PM
League is ridiculous this season. Anyone outside the relegation zone is two wins from Europa League and we’re in December
And some people say that VAR hasn't made the league more exciting.:joker:
But yeah the table is crazy, the fact that Everton are in the relegation zone is proof of that imo.
Jack Grealish is kinda suffering in comparison to Mount and Maddison as they’re playing in real good , attacking teams and have free creative roles and they both have one or two great holding midfielders behind them ( Kante - Juninho- Ndidi) BUT Jack is Villa’s best player and Captain .. he does both the creative and covering role . He can also play as the left sided forward position as Iniesta used to do for us occasionally
He’s an amazing player and has been for about 5 years and still so young 23/24 ? He put in some fabulous performances when he was last in the premier league about 5 years ago at 18/19 years old
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King Gizzard
07-12-2019, 01:42 PM
Jack Grealish is kinda suffering in comparison to Mount and Maddison as they’re playing in real good , attacking teams and have free creative roles and they both have one or two great holding midfielders behind them ( Kante - Juninho- Ndidi) BUT Jack is Villa’s best player and Captain .. he does both the creative and covering role . He can also play as the left sided forward position as Iniesta used to do for us occasionally
He’s an amazing player and has been for about 5 years and still so young 23/24 ? He put in some fabulous performances when he was last in the premier league about 5 years ago at 18/19 years old
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I don’t hold much hope of keeping him, but we’re a couple of players off a really good top half side. It’ll take a huge wedge of money for us to sell him though. City/Liverpool/Spurs for 70m+
10/10 to Duncan Ferguson :clap1:
Denver
07-12-2019, 06:00 PM
Man U 2-0 up against Citeh after 30 mins :skull:
Denver
07-12-2019, 06:55 PM
City fans showing themselves for the scum they are
Denver
07-12-2019, 06:56 PM
Time for them to be heavily sanctioned
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:04 PM
City fans showing themselves for the scum they are
What they up to?
Denver
07-12-2019, 07:09 PM
What they up to?
Throwing lighters and bottles on to the pitch and hitting 2 players with lighters then one fan did what looked like a monkey gesture to the 2 black players by the corner
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:15 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELNL4saWoAAgNnf?format=jpg&name=small
Yeah, **** will be hitting the fan after this.
Crimson Dynamo
07-12-2019, 07:15 PM
One threw a full bottle vof water
Denver
07-12-2019, 07:16 PM
It's ironic that plastic fans are throwing plastic objects
Crimson Dynamo
07-12-2019, 07:18 PM
Pep has a girl's scarf on wtaf
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:21 PM
Just hold on.
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:25 PM
City need to win every single league game to finish on 98 points again. League could be won with around 86-90 pts this year.
Crimson Dynamo
07-12-2019, 07:29 PM
I think Liverpool will go undefeated
Denver
07-12-2019, 07:29 PM
I think Liverpool will go undefeated
We hope
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:31 PM
They'll def lose at least a couple. City will beat them, and probably away against either arsenal, spurs or everton.
Denver
07-12-2019, 07:32 PM
They'll def lose at least a couple. City will beat them, and probably away against either arsenal, spurs or everton.
I mean we just dont lose to Everton and the others are not strong enough to beat us if we hit full throttle which we are yet to reach
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:35 PM
I mean we just dont lose to Everton and the others are not strong enough to beat us if we hit full throttle which we are yet to reach
Law of averages. It's 33 or 34 unbeaten now. You can't keep not losing over that many league games, it's madness. Even city, who've been unbelievable the last 2 years have lost a few games.
AnnieK
07-12-2019, 07:36 PM
Great game
Denver
07-12-2019, 07:37 PM
We just have a special mentality and the ability to dig in deep and get a result plus we live turning up in the last 15 mins to score
Crimson Dynamo
07-12-2019, 07:39 PM
City are a shambles
The Slim Reaper
07-12-2019, 07:52 PM
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GiRTh
07-12-2019, 08:24 PM
They'll def lose at least a couple. City will beat them, and probably away against either arsenal, spurs or everton.They'll lose but not to Arsenal . I dont think we've beaten Liverpool for about five years. We're petrified of their front three and with our defenders its like a buffet, help yourself.
GiRTh
07-12-2019, 08:29 PM
League is especially poor this year. For this Man Utd team to be fifth says it all.
michael21
07-12-2019, 10:03 PM
So we now no the premier league 2019/20 champions now it's just champions league euoper league and regation to be sorted
King mourinho spurs won 5-0 :cheer2:
I had £50 on over 2 goals on the machester darby thank you var :cheer2:
Dogeatdog
07-12-2019, 10:25 PM
So we now no the premier league 2019/20 champions now it's just champions league euoper league and regation to be sorted
King mourinho spurs won 5-0 :cheer2:
I had £50 on over 2 goals on the machester darby thank you var :cheer2:
I saw Son’s goal earlier that was incredible.
King Gizzard
07-12-2019, 10:27 PM
Start the parade tomorrow when we beat Leicester
michael21
07-12-2019, 10:27 PM
I saw Son’s goal earlier that was incredible.
Yes far better then any other goal I seen
michael21
07-12-2019, 10:38 PM
Saturday 11th January
PREMIER LEAGUE
Tottenham Hotspur
Vs
Liverpool
17:30
This is when Liverpool will lose
And it's live :cheer2:
Mystic Mock
08-12-2019, 01:06 AM
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Yeah, **** will be hitting the fan after this.
That was horrible to watch, but tbf I don't like it when a whole club's fan base is tarred with the same brush.
Man Utd however played fantastic, they definitely deserved the 3 points imo.
Black Dagger
08-12-2019, 09:24 AM
City fans showing themselves for the scum they are
Do you ever get bored?
The Slim Reaper
08-12-2019, 10:55 AM
That was horrible to watch, but tbf I don't like it when a whole club's fan base is tarred with the same brush.
Man Utd however played fantastic, they definitely deserved the 3 points imo.
I agree with this; with tens of thousands of people attending matches, statistically you're going to get a few wrong'uns, then throw in the boldness that comes from the safety of groups and it's inevitable.
The Slim Reaper
08-12-2019, 10:56 AM
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Denver
08-12-2019, 11:17 AM
Do you ever get bored?
So your saying their actions were acceptable?
Black Dagger
08-12-2019, 12:25 PM
So your saying their actions were acceptable?
Yes... that's exactly what I'm saying Adam isn't it. Love racist City fans me. Going to bed them x.
Every club has ****e fans. To our knowledge at least ours haven't every murdered anybody. Sick of your hyperbolic nonsense every time something remotely controversial happens in football. Their actions are shameful. Doesn't mean you can tar every fan with the same brush.
Denver
08-12-2019, 02:52 PM
Well you never condemned their actions
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