A question...it regards blacks and whites (please debate your responses)

[Beso]

If black humans are going to a party that involves fancy dress, say an 80s party or something...do they white up like white humans black thier faces up for bob marley or stevie wonder?

I think white humans love black humans music so don't see an issue with making yourself look more like your musical idol of the 80s.


I think black humans don't need to whiten thier faces to look like thier musical icons from the 80s....because black humans have better musical taste than white humans.

[Moniqua]

:facepalm:

[Denver]

White people were not kidnapped from their own countries and force to live as a slave who was worth nothing in a foreign land.

That is why its unacceptable to act be black for fancy dress

[Beso]

White people were not kidnapped from their own countries and force to live as a slave who was worth nothing in a foreign land.

That is why its unacceptable to act be black for fancy dress

I think that is absolutely ridiculous...in this day and age.


You are saying a bloke can't sit in the corner off a marquee at an 80s party all bob marleyed up cause he loves bob marley music!

Surely that is why we have divisions in life.:shrug:

[Denver]

I think that is absolutely ridiculous.


You are saying a bloke can't sit in the corner off a marquee at an 80s party all bob marleyed up cause he loves bob marley music!

Surely that is why we have divisions in life.:shrug:

You dont blackface because you love some singer you buy a poster or a CD or something

[Oliver_W]

White people were not kidnapped from their own countries and force to live as a slave who was worth nothing in a foreign land.


Slaves of the Ottoman empire might beg to differ.

[Beso]

You dont blackface because you love some singer you buy a poster or a CD or something

And wander around an 80s party for your cousins 18th or something. ..hey guys I'm bob marley, can't you tell by the tshirt! !

[Denver]

And wander around an 80s party for your cousins 18th or something. ..hey guys I'm bob marley, can't you tell by the tshirt! !

You can dress up as Bob Marley without black facing

[Beso]

You can dress up as Bob Marley without black facing

Show me a picture before I comment

[Twosugars]

:facepalm:

+1

[Beso]

+1

-1

[Oliver_W]

White people were not kidnapped from their own countries and force to live as a slave who was worth nothing in a foreign land.

That is why its unacceptable to act be black for fancy dress

Several countries in northern Africa kidnapped and used white slaves, so is it unacceptable for black people from those countries to white up?

[Toy Soldier]

1) Yes it's different and anyone claiming not to realise that is either being disingenuous "to make some sort of point", or they are genuinely stupid. I think for most it's the former but who knows.

2) Other than the movie "white chicks" which is obviously a parody of blackface, I have literally NEVER seen any black person "doing whiteface". Why are people making up just utterly laughable nonsense to justify their **** lately?

[Twosugars]

1) Yes it's different and anyone claiming not to realise that is either being disingenuous "to make some sort of point", or they are genuinely stupid. I think for most it's the former but who knows.

2) Other than the movie "white chicks" which is obviously a parody of blackface, I have literally NEVER seen any black person "doing whiteface". Why are people making up just utterly laughable nonsense to justify their **** lately?

I missed you TS

[Beso]

1) Yes it's different and anyone claiming not to realise that is either being disingenuous "to make some sort of point", or they are genuinely stupid. I think for most it's the former but who knows.

2) Other than the movie "white chicks" which is obviously a parody of blackface, I have literally NEVER seen any black person "doing whiteface". Why are people making up just utterly laughable nonsense to justify their **** lately?

There's nothing racist abut going dressed up to a relatives 80s party with a bit of make up on your face because you love a certain music icon..it's stupid to me to think otherwise if I'm honest..

[Ant.]

Blackface is bad and that's that

[Oliver_W]

There's nothing racist abut going dressed up to a relatives 80s party with a bit of make up on your face because you love a certain music icon..it's stupid to me to think otherwise if I'm honest..

somethingsomething slavery, somethingsomething minstrels ...

[Beso]

Blackface is bad and that's that

Not if it's done through a lifetime of love surely!!


I don't get that if it is.:shrug:

[MB.]

Anyone who thinks blackface "isn't racist" clearly isn't knowledgeable enough to start a debate about blackface

[Beso]

somethingsomething slavery, somethingsomething minstrels ...

Oh look uncle dave came as Bob Marley. ...I hope he dies tomorrow.

[Beso]

Anyone who thinks blackface "isn't racist" clearly isn't knowledgeable enough to start a debate about blackface

Nonsense....


Dressing as Bob Marley isn't blackfacing...

[Glenn.]

I stopped reading at black humans.

[Toy Soldier]

If you're genuinely trying to convince me that people are going to fancy dress blacked up as Bob Marley as an act of admiration and respect, and not for a cheap laugh, again I'm going to have to call bull**** Parm. You know fine well people would only be doing it for "shock value" and that people don't black up for any other reason. It just doesn't happen. We're prancing around in fantasy land again.

[DouglasS]

It’s always fascinated me because I think the majority of people that do ‘blackface’ don’t know any better or are just ignorant. I don’t for one second believe most are racist at all, maybe uneducated on the matter or not knowing people can take offence.

I’ve always wondered why it is as offensive as it is perceived to be, i understand the associations and Past, but it’s like men dressing as women/drag, you can argue that women had it rough and were used/raped/had little rights pre history and yet this is fine? It’s an interesting thought

Also painting parts of your face black isn’t always ‘blackface’, I’ve gone as the angel of death a few times for Halloween that involved putting black paint over a good portion of my face. The angel of death isn’t a race, it’s a mythological creature that I was dressing up as. If people saw me and took a photo would I be regarded racist by some when clearly I’m not/I’m just in fancy dress, with nothing to do with race

[Denver]

It’s always fascinated me because I think the majority of people that do ‘blackface’ don’t know any better or are just ignorant. I don’t for one second believe most are racist at all, maybe uneducated on the matter or not knowing people can take offence.

I’ve always wondered why it is as offensive as it is sort of thing, i understand the associations and Past, but it’s like men dressing as women/drag, you can argue that women had it rough and were used/raped/had little rights pre history and yet this is fine? It’s an interesting thought

Because people use to blackface then mock black people in comedy years ago and that's why its deemed racist

[Beso]

If you're genuinely trying to convince me that people are going to fancy dress blacked up as Bob Marley as an act of admiration and respect, and not for a cheap laugh, again I'm going to have to call bull**** Parm. You know fine well people would only be doing it for "shock value" and that people don't black up for any other reason. It just doesn't happen. We're prancing around in fantasy land again.

I disagree...I think the percentages of 80s fancy dress parties that have had a bob marley fan admiring his hero will be very very high.....you can't call popping some mascara on your face to complete the look racist or even blackface iny head...not when you love his music and what he was all about...

[Beso]

It’s always fascinated me because I think the majority of people that do ‘blackface’ don’t know any better or are just ignorant. I don’t for one second believe most are racist at all, maybe uneducated on the matter or not knowing people can take offence.

I’ve always wondered why it is as offensive as it is perceived to be, i understand the associations and Past, but it’s like men dressing as women/drag, you can argue that women had it rough and were used/raped/had little rights pre history and yet this is fine? It’s an interesting thought

Also painting parts of your face black isn’t always ‘blackface’, I’ve gone as the angel of death a few times for Halloween that involved putting black paint over a good portion of my face. The angel of death isn’t a race, it’s a mythological creature that I was dressing up as. If people saw me and took a photo would I be regarded racist by some when clearly I’m not/I’m just in fancy dress, with nothing to do with race



Some good points raised..I don't know where to start.

[Northern Monkey]

You know,There is a traditional English morris dancing group who’ve been painting their faces black for years.It’s apparently from the 16th century and nothing to do with race.
I’ve seen them a few times in the 80’s/90’s and there was no problem.Everyone enjoyed it.
Only the other year though they apparently suffered abuse and had to flee from crowds who didn’t understand the tradition.

[Toy Soldier]

You know,There is a traditional English morris dancing group who’ve been painting their faces black for years.It’s apparently from the 16th century and nothing to do with race.
I’ve seen them a few times in the 80’s/90’s and there was no problem.Everyone enjoyed it.
Only the other year though they apparently suffered abuse and had to flee from crowds who didn’t understand the tradition.Thus, someone blacking up as Bob Marley so that their friends can have a chuckle on Facebook because they're the biggest fan EFFER!! is also acceptable.

[Beso]

Thus, someone blacking up as Bob Marley so that their friends can have a chuckle on Facebook because they're the biggest fan EFFER!! is also acceptable.

What's facook got to do with things. .

[Livia]

White people were not kidnapped from their own countries and force to live as a slave who was worth nothing in a foreign land.

That is why its unacceptable to act be black for fancy dress

What makes you think that? The slave trade is alive and well my friend...

[Livia]

Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing, so I apologise if you've heard it before. Black people have been oppressed for centuries. So have Jewish people. Here is a picture of black Eddie Murphy whited up as a Jew. Note the big stereotypical Jewish nose...

Was I offended? Was anyone offended? Because I've never heard anyone say this is wrong. Only that it's wrong for white people to black up.

http://d1gjpyq0w94yrb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/08042041/18.jpg

[Livia]

I disagree...I think the percentages of 80s fancy dress parties that have had a bob marley fan admiring his hero will be very very high.....you can't call popping some mascara on your face to complete the look racist or even blackface iny head...not when you love his music and what he was all about...

You're a racist, Parm, face it. So am I... and so is everyone who doesn't think exactly what others think. Like everything racist, it's all about intent.

[Northern Monkey]

Thus, someone blacking up as Bob Marley so that their friends can have a chuckle on Facebook because they're the biggest fan EFFER!! is also acceptable.

No but it does show that context and nuance should be applied.
Just a blanket ‘Thou shalt never apply boot polish to ones face under any circumstance’ (as some people think) isn’t always appropriate(as with the morris dancers).
People’s intentions aren’t always clear.

[Tom4784]

False equivalency and unrealistic hypotheticals in an attempt to justify blackface? The state of Tibb gets grimmer by the day.

You can dress up as a black musician without blacking up your skin, there is no reason for blackface to exist in modern day considering the history of it. If you don't understand why it's so wrong then look it up.

Several countries in northern Africa kidnapped and used white slaves, so is it unacceptable for black people from those countries to white up?

Whataboutism for SLAVERY?! jfc......

[Tom4784]

Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing, so I apologise if you've heard it before. Black people have been oppressed for centuries. So have Jewish people. Here is a picture of black Eddie Murphy whited up as a Jew. Note the big stereotypical Jewish nose...

Was I offended? Was anyone offended? Because I've never heard anyone say this is wrong. Only that it's wrong for white people to black up.

http://d1gjpyq0w94yrb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/08042041/18.jpg

Look up the history of Blackface, Livia, and you'll see why people get upset about it in particular.

As for your whataboutism, there's been cases of black people whiting up and it causing controversies, it's not a one way street but blackface in particular has a sordid history which is why it's judged harshly.

[Oliver_W]

Whataboutism for SLAVERY?! jfc......

No? Someone said that white people have never been slaves, which is nonsense.

As white people have been slaves, that puts us on even footing, so whiting up and blacking up are the same.

[Vicky.]

I think its pretty wellknown that blackface is offensive to many. And therefor really the only reason I see for doing it is to shock or whatever. 'Whiteface' is not really a thing tbh..and no I don't think its the same if it was a thing given..well history.

Interesting point about drag though, thats came up before in similar discussions. Yes, some drag queens just do it for fun or because they want to, but the huge majority I have seen seem to do it to basically mock women. Especially the ones clubs hire. Those ones are just pure misogynists IMO.

[Livia]

So I'm taking it that "Jewing up" is perfectly fine.... Good to know.

[Toy Soldier]

What makes you think that? The slave trade is alive and well my friend...

The slave trade (especially sex slavery) is very much alive and well, that much is sadly very true, however I think the fact that black people were enslaved specifically by white Europeans is what makes it especially inappropriate for white people to "black up", in comparison to vice-versa, or other costumes.

Honestly, the rule of thumb should be, if the majority of a group of people find something offensive (and I think this DOES apply to blackface) then other people should respect that and stop doing it. It should really be as simple as that. No matter what group that is.

[Shaun]

jesus christ this forum is pathetic

[Toy Soldier]

So I'm taking it that "Jewing up" is perfectly fine.... Good to know.

Again I'd refer to the above; if the majority of Jewish people are genuinely offended by the costume then no it's not fine and it's not something people should continue doing it. :shrug:. But does Murphy's "Jew Costume" actually offend you or is it just being used an example of "other people doing it too".

[Jordan.]

If black humans are going to a party that involves fancy dress, say an 80s party or something...do they white up like white humans black thier faces up for bob marley or stevie wonder?


The fact you needed to ask answered your own question. Did you just need to get some ignorant blackface opinions out of your system?

[Livia]

The slave trade (especially sex slavery) is very much alive and well, that much is sadly very true, however I think the fact that black people were enslaved specifically by white Europeans is what makes it especially inappropriate for white people to "black up", in comparison to vice-versa, or other costumes.

Honestly, the rule of thumb should be, if the majority of a group of people find something offensive (and I think this DOES apply to blackface) then other people should respect that and stop doing it. It should really be as simple as that. No matter what group that is.

Frankly I've only ever heard white people complain about it.

The slave trade is rife and it's happening all over the world. How many times have you heard about slaves in this country, kept to work in dreadful conditions, no access to medicine... and that's in one of the most developed countries in the world. Trouble is that we don't hear that much about modern slavery. I don't know why anyone should suppose slavery is any better for the slave now.

[Kazanne]

No? Someone said that white people have never been slaves, which is nonsense.

As white people have been slaves, that puts us on even footing, so whiting up and blacking up are the same.

Yes those 'white trash' girls are slaves to the perverted grooming gangs and that is not history ,it's happening now, Lets not forget those white girls. :wavey:

[Kazanne]

Frankly I've only ever heard white people complain about it.

The slave trade is rife and it's happening all over the world. How many times have you heard about slaves in this country, kept to work in dreadful conditions, no access to medicine... and that's in one of the most developed countries in the world. Trouble is that we don't hear that much about modern slavery. I don't know why anyone should suppose slavery is any better for the slave now.

I guess I wont be able to come as a chimney sweep to your party now Livia :hehe:

[Livia]

Again I'd refer to the above; if the majority of Jewish people are genuinely offended by the costume then no it's not fine and it's not something people should continue doing it. :shrug:. But does Murphy's "Jew Costume" actually offend you or is it just being used an example of "other people doing it too".


I'm sure you have no idea whether Jews were offended... it wouldn't have occurred to you. But you LEAP on the blackface thing. So I should just stick with that if I were you.

[GiRTh]

I've been saying for years that people on this forum dont really understand these issues and along comes a thread like this to prove me right. :thumbs:

[Matthew.]

jesus christ this forum is pathetic

+1

Only on this forum eh

[Beso]

The fact you needed to ask answered your own question. Did you just need to get some ignorant blackface opinions out of your system?

Well rather than take tibb at its word or opinion I've asked my black friend bobby all about it.


He says definatly racist and he would kick me out his party if I came with make up on ...he still likes me though

[Nicky91]

Well rather than take tibb at its word or opinion I've asked my black friend bobby all about it.


He says definatly racist and he would kick me out his party if I came with make up on ...he still likes me though

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

No? Someone said that white people have never been slaves, which is nonsense.

As white people have been slaves, that puts us on even footing, so whiting up and blacking up are the same.

Puts us on even footing?

:umm2: If I didn't know you were serious I might laugh.

[Livia]

What's the point.

[Marsh.]

I assume you're asking me?

If so, could you elaborate?

[Nicky91]

666 was the views count when i looked at SD just now :skull:

[Livia]

I assume you're asking me?

If so, could you elaborate?

Sorry Marshy, I wasn't referring to you at all. Just in general.

[Oliver_W]

Puts us on even footing?

:umm2: If I didn't know you were serious I might laugh.

Virtually all races have both been slaves and held slaves. No-one alive today has anything whatsoever to do with the historic slave trade, so everyone's hands are clean.

[Milja.]

Well rather than take tibb at its word or opinion I've asked my black friend bobby all about it.


He says definatly racist and he would kick me out his party if I came with make up on ...he still likes me though

We Stan Bobby The Educator

[Toy Soldier]

Virtually all races have both been slaves and held slaves. No-one alive today has anything whatsoever to do with the historic slave trade, so everyone's hands are clean.

It's not about whose hands are or aren't clean FFS, no one is asking you personally to feel guilty about historic slavery so stop lashing out defensively, it's nonsense :facepalm:

It's about the very obvious an real ongoing effect that black slavery has had and is still having and I honestly, honestly hope that your insistence that white and black people are "on an even footing" (just... what) when it comes to the effects of slavery and social inequality, and that "blacking up" has no more of a negative implication than (fictional) "whiting up" is purely down to naivety and nothing more sinister. I say that because 15 years ago I might have been caught saying something similar but I'm going to be blunt here and say that these sorts of opinions come from a place of inexperience and arrogance. But they are toxic. I hope you give it some real thought, eventually.

[Toy Soldier]

I can fully accept that, as with all things, there is always room for nuance BUT some of the attempts at justification on this thread are actually mind-blowing.

[Ammi]

...the blacking of faces by minstrel performers was only ever done to mock and ridicule and depict in a negative way ...I don’t think there was ever a time when it wasn’t insulting or degrading...why would anyone want to blackface and insult and degrade someone or mock them ...for the fun of it..

[Mystic Mock]

For me personally I don't mind racist humour, I've watched loads of Family Guy episodes for example that mock racist people whilst also doing stereotypes on black people. I've even seen the show make out like all British people look like Tony Blair and I find it funny rather than offensive.

However the problem with the Minstrel shows by the sounds of them is that they were done to be malicious towards black people, rather than inviting them into the joke like shows like Family Guy, American Dad, and South Park can do.

[Toy Soldier]

I don’t think there was ever a time when it wasn’t insulting or degrading...

Of course there was Ammi - when music fans blacked up as Bob Marley for fancy dress parties inside the imaginations of TiBB members.

[Beso]

Of course there was Ammi - when music fans blacked up as Bob Marley for fancy dress parties inside the imaginations of TiBB members.

Are you telling me it's all in my mind and that you havnt ever seen someone with make up on doing bob marley.

[Beso]

I don't see why being allowed to wear a wig is any different...you are clearly depicting a black guy when you are a white guy!

[Marsh.]

Virtually all races have both been slaves and held slaves. No-one alive today has anything whatsoever to do with the historic slave trade, so everyone's hands are clean.

Your attempts at normalising racism are absolutely staggering. Probably for the attention.

[Oliver_W]

Your attempts at normalising racism are absolutely staggering. Probably for the attention.

I'm not trying to nornalise anything.

[Toy Soldier]

Are you telling me it's all in my mind and that you havnt ever seen someone with make up on doing bob marley.I've seen plenty of people blacked up as various people for fancy dress and every single time it was for a cheap laugh / bit of attention through being "hehe controversial!" and nothing to do with liking or admiring the person they were dressed up as. Show me someone who claims to have blacked up as a celebrity as a mark of respect for that celebrity, and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

[Twosugars]

I've seen plenty of people blacked up as various people for fancy dress and every single time it was for a cheap laugh / bit of attention through being "hehe controversial!" and nothing to do with liking or admiring the person they were dressed up as. Show me someone who claims to have blacked up as a celebrity as a mark of respect for that celebrity, and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

:clap1:

[Beso]

I've seen plenty of people blacked up as various people for fancy dress and every single time it was for a cheap laugh / bit of attention through being "hehe controversial!" and nothing to do with liking or admiring the person they were dressed up as. Show me someone who claims to have blacked up as a celebrity as a mark of respect for that celebrity, and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

I don't know anyone that's claimed to black up...I know plenty who have or would pop a bit make up on to complete the look of thier musical icon though.

[Marsh.]

For me personally I don't mind racist humour, I've watched loads of Family Guy episodes for example that mock racist people whilst also doing stereotypes on black people. I've even seen the show make out like all British people look like Tony Blair and I find it funny rather than offensive.

However the problem with the Minstrel shows by the sounds of them is that they were done to be malicious towards black people, rather than inviting them into the joke like shows like Family Guy, American Dad, and South Park can do.

A joke that all British people look like Tony Blair isn't racism. :unsure:

[armand.kay]

I've never seen a black person whiten up their skin for a costume (as a white person) outside of 90s/00s comedy sketches

[armand.kay]

and I say that as a nick gurr

[armand.kay]

So I'm taking it that "Jewing up" is perfectly fine.... Good to know.

it's not.

[armand.kay]

What's with the weird focus on slavery on p2/3? like girl slavery is not the only atrocity on white supremacy's resume...

[Beso]

I've never seen a black person whiten up their skin for a costume (as a white person) outside of 90s/00s comedy sketches

A long time after bob marley died....

[Milja.]

and I say that as a nick gurr

Did you just I-
https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtcEsSNb0VbtWVy/giphy.gif

[armand.kay]

A long time after bob marley died....

wth is going on?

[Ant.]

I'm all for debating but I don't see how this could go any further than, 'blackface is bad'? Blackface is racist, irregardless of whether the intent is racist. (this was my initial thought on the subject - after writing a response I've came to the conclusion that you can't truly have good intentions when it comes to blackface)

I think a good example which, while is still hypothetical (as its fiction), illustrates the point I think parm is trying to get at is last season in Ackley Bridge. After a Pakistani girl bleached her skin to be 'white' (under the impression she's ugly because of her skin colour), her best friend darkens her skin and goes to school with her in an act trying to say, "brown is beautiful! Be comfortable in your own skin!" and practically all the Pakistani students were upset by her actions irregardless of her intentions. And that's because blackface as a whole is offensive. A person can claim they've darkened their skin to appreciate black people, but even if that were true, there's so much racism and history behind blackface it's disrespectful and ignorant to do blackface knowing the implications. Are people really appreciating Bob Marley by painting their face black knowing the history of it? Or are they being disrespectful, knowing full well the intent is obsolete and outweighed by a history that simply cannot (and shouldn't) be ignored? Would celebrating black people not include recognising blackface as racist and bad and respecting that, while expressing your love in an inoffensive way? I started this post trying to see an argument for which "blackface is racist irregardless of whether the intention is good" but, can people really have good intentions with blackface given how ignorant and offensive it is to do it in the first place?

[Twosugars]

I dont believe parmnion is ignorant.
You know very well what you're doing with this thread, am I right parmnion?
It's about pissing off the "lefties" isnt it?
Just having fun bantering about racism huh

[AnnieK]

Haven't you said though Parm, that your own black friend has said he would find it offensive so why keep labouring the point in here? Whether a racist intent or not, blackface is not acceptable now or ever will be again

[Beso]

I'm all for debating but I don't see how this could go any further than, 'blackface is bad'? Blackface is racist, irregardless of whether the intent is racist. (this was my initial thought on the subject - after writing a response I've came to the conclusion that you can't truly have good intentions when it comes to blackface)

I think a good example which, while is still hypothetical (as its fiction), illustrates the point I think parm is trying to get at is last season in Ackley Bridge. After a Pakistani girl bleached her skin to be 'white' (under the impression she's ugly because of her skin colour), her best friend darkens her skin and goes to school with her in an act trying to say, "brown is beautiful! Be comfortable in your own skin!" and practically all the Pakistani students were upset by her actions irregardless of her intentions. And that's because blackface as a whole is offensive. A person can claim they've darkened their skin to appreciate black people, but even if that were true, there's so much racism and history behind blackface it's disrespectful and ignorant to do blackface knowing the implications. Are people really appreciating Bob Marley by painting their face black knowing the history of it? Or are they being disrespectful, knowing full well the intent is obsolete and outweighed by a history that simply cannot (and shouldn't) be ignored? Would celebrating black people not include recognising blackface as racist and bad and respecting that, while expressing your love in an inoffensive way? I started this post trying to see an argument for which "blackface is racist irregardless of whether the intention is good" but, can people really have good intentions with blackface given how ignorant and offensive it is to do it in the first place?


History is being wiped out all over the place Ant. Of course I have to mention the lgbt community here...so there I have...


It's about time in my opinion another dark part of the human races history should be forgotten and people should be allowed to be what they want..


What if I wanted to be black? Can I transition? Can I wear make up, pre transition?


Walking round the streets where I live sometimes I wish I was.

[Beso]

Haven't you said though Parm, that your own black friend has said he would find it offensive so why keep labouring the point in here? Whether a racist intent or not, blackface is not acceptable now or ever will be again

I argued my point basically saying what I'm saying here to bobby, and that is why he is still my friend. He seen my point and agreed...but he would still kick me out his party.

[Ant.]

History is being wiped out all over the place Ant. Of course I have to mention the lgbt community here...so there I have...


It's about time in my opinion another dark part of the human races history should be forgotten and people should be allowed to be what they want..


What if I wanted to be black? Can I transition? Can I wear make up, pre transition?


Walking round the streets where I live sometimes I wish I was.

Well I'm sorry to say, but the world's not gonna conform to your needs or what you think

[Beso]

Well I'm sorry to say, but the world's not gonna conform to your needs or what you think

Well that's very inclusive of you to say and extremely exclusie of you to imagine.

[JerseyWins]

I think it's done with ignorance rather than racism a vast majority of the time tbh. Like I had noooooo idea about the history of blackface until BBUS19 (never heard/saw a thing about it being used to mock black people etc.). I also never thought about it being considered offensive for someone to act as another race with face paint. I had seen it done for both blacks and whites in comedy/music/skits of those sorts in the past and it just never came across my mind that way. I've never done it anyway, I don't do face paint in general, but after finding out the history/origins of blackface and also just seeing how it could be a sensitive area for blacks that have been mocked/judged/discriminated against for their skin color, I wouldn't second guess blackface being something that shouldn't be done. :shrug: I'd say most do it without knowing the history and don't actually intend to offend or make fun of another race at all, it's just a form of imitation for fun usually... but regardless of context, once people know how it can come across they should just respect that and not do it period.

And snake-themed face paint is fine tho /Paul :fan:

[Beso]

https://images.app.goo.gl/8SdHFG8Gugk9gmBo7


I don't remember much being said about this at the time.

[Beso]

What about if someone shoved a bob marley mask on..would that be OK?

[Crimson Dynamo]

what about Bo Selecta??

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[Vicky.]

Yeah, this thread has definitely run its course when it becomes 'but what about' over and over, basically asking how to get around something thats widely deemed racist? Or thats how it appears. Was questionable to start with IMO but left it.but now..decided its gone far enough. Another staff member may reopen it if asked and given an actual reason to..but I won't. Nor will I be replying to PMs about it, as I have learnt my lesson with that. Decision is final. From me anyway.

[Niamh.]

I agree with Vicky.