12 Israeli teens arrested for gang rape of brit girl in Ayia Napa

[Denver]

Twelve Israeli tourists have been arrested after a British woman alleged she had been raped in a popular resort town in Cyprus.

The woman, 19, filed a complaint with police in Ayia Napa on Wednesday morning saying she had been gang-raped the previous night.

The Israelis, some reportedly as young as 16, are due in court later today.

The woman is undergoing medical checks, according to the Times Of Israel.

Police say the investigation is in its early stages and it is not yet clear how many people are suspected of being involved.

State broadcaster RIK reported the alleged rape happened early on Wednesday in the hotel where the woman and the 12 suspects were staying separately.

Israel's foreign ministry said in a statement that its diplomats had been allowed to speak with the suspects.

https://news.sky.com/story/twelve-israelis-held-in-cyprus-over-alleged-gang-rape-of-british-tourist-11765367

[arista]

Yes Adam
Evil Gang Rape,

[smudgie]

Horrendous.
Hope the poor lass gets all the support she needs.

[Livia]

I was tempted to say ****ing animals... but animals don't act like that.

Assuming they're guilty, they're despicable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israeli teens jump for joy as they are released and the British woman, 19,
who accused them of gang raping her in Ayia Napa is ARRESTED for 'making false
allegations' after 'changing her story'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/07/28/14/article-7294285-16595668-449_964x421.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294285/British-woman-19-said-12-Israeli-men-gang-raped-probed-false-claims.html

[Livia]

Sigh.... I can't understand why anyone would do that. It makes genuine victims look like liars..... If she's found guilty I hope she gets a custodial sentence.

[Oliver_W]

Disgusting human being she is, lock her up for the length of 12 rape sentences.

[reece(:]

Horrendous, clubbing holidays (especially Greek) really need more security. When I went to Kavos there was maybe a police patrol once every 2 hours? Spanish patrols in Magaluf were far far better.

[Crimson Dynamo]

pleased for the guys

[Oliver_W]

Horrendous, clubbing holidays (especially Greek) really need more security. When I went to Kavos there was maybe a police patrol once every 2 hours? Spanish patrols in Magaluf were far far better.

I guess it's harder to make false claims in Magaluf then:)

[Beso]

Poor girl..maybe she just didn't want the hassle with court...sad story either way.

[Livia]

Poor girl..maybe she just didn't want the hassle with court...sad story either way.

Oh Parm… if she'd got her way 12 innocent men would have gone to jail. She needs punishment... and a bit of therapy.

[reece(:]

I guess it's harder to make false claims in Magaluf then:)

Is there any need for this? Pathetic.

[SherzyK]

I guess it's harder to make false claims in Magaluf then:)

Unnecessary comment. Don’t be so odious

[Beso]

Oh Parm… if she'd got her way 12 innocent men would have gone to jail. She needs punishment... and a bit of therapy.

She definatly needs therapy, but I don't know what I would do in a foreign country.

I think I would just want out, and away back home to the people who love me..so I may be inclined to change my story as to never have to visit the place ever again.

But yes I agree if she down right made it all up she deserves a stiff punishment..and put on the sex register in my opinion.

[Marsh.]

I guess it's harder to make false claims in Magaluf then:)

Disgusting comment. Unsurprising comment.

[Nicky91]

pleased for the guys

vile 12 boys :bored:

[Oliver_W]

vile 12 boys :bored:

Why are they vile? They're innocent!

[AnnieK]

Its awful these boys could have lost their liberty on the back of a lie. The article I read on this yesterday said she has consensual sex with 3 of them and one of the other boys she didn't have sex with proved his innocence by a selfie of him in bed with his own girlfriend at the time she said this happened.

[Nicky91]

Why are they vile? They're innocent!

i don't know if they are innocent


i myself don't trust that ''corrupt cypriot law''


let experts Judge the evidence that made drop all charges from them

[Nicky91]

and if evidence does indeed show these 12 boys are innocent, then ok

[Kizzy]

From what I've read they had already dropped the case when it was suggested they pass DNA evidence of 3 of the party.

If it was consentual why did she go to the police initially? There were 12 in the group who were arrested, my thoughts would be the would want to isolate the 3 from the 12?

[Livia]

and if evidence does indeed show these 12 boys are innocent, then ok

They dropped the case. It was enough for the court. But not for you?

[Kizzy]

Only 1 in 65 cases here result in a summons or charge... Given the media spotlight and Israeli diplomatic intervention it's a lot of pressure.

[user104658]

I mean, from what I've read about it, the suggestion has been that she did it as "revenge" for a group of them (possibly not all 12) having sex with her consensually, but several of them filming it on their phones without consent and then refusing to delete it.

So whilst accusing them of rape is obviously a MASSIVELY over the top and immature reaction ... I would say that Nicky's assessment of "vile boys" is still quite accurate. No?

And TBQFH I'm very skeptical about how "consensual" a gangbang between one probably drunk 19 year old girl and multiple boys being filmed on smartphones is likely to have been, and strongly suspect she may have withdrawn her statement due to being grilled about it in an unpleasant manner and just wanting to get the hell out of there. If her statement was obviously a bit mis-remembered and confused (as it obviously would be) and then one of the boys proved he wasn't there, because perhaps that one did leave the group earlier without her realising, it makes her entire statement fall apart, the police start aggressively quizzing her for "lying", and she just wants to go home.

[user104658]

This also serves as a prime example of why that "punish the accuser when there's proof" thread is utterly wrong headed because I'm getting the impression that plenty of people on this thread believe that there is "proof" that this girl wasn't assaulted in any way and would gleefully see her charged with a crime, when there clearly just ****ing isn't proof of that at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This also serves as a prime example of why that "punish the accuser when there's proof" thread is utterly wrong headed because I'm getting the impression that plenty of people on this thread believe that there is "proof" that this girl wasn't assaulted in any way and would gleefully see her charged with a crime, when there clearly just ****ing isn't proof of that at all.

if you think about it TS does the story sound plausible to you when you read it?

[user104658]

if you think about it TS does the story sound plausible to you when you read it?

Neither version sounds entirely accurate and that's why it being taken as "proof she was lying and they're totally innocent" is ludicrous and terrifying.

[Niamh.]

I mean, from what I've read about it, the suggestion has been that she did it as "revenge" for a group of them (possibly not all 12) having sex with her consensually, but several of them filming it on their phones without consent and then refusing to delete it.

So whilst accusing them of rape is obviously a MASSIVELY over the top and immature reaction ... I would say that Nicky's assessment of "vile boys" is still quite accurate. No?

And TBQFH I'm very skeptical about how "consensual" a gangbang between one probably drunk 19 year old girl and multiple boys being filmed on smartphones is likely to have been, and strongly suspect she may have withdrawn her statement due to being grilled about it in an unpleasant manner and just wanting to get the hell out of there. If her statement was obviously a bit mis-remembered and confused (as it obviously would be) and then one of the boys proved he wasn't there, because perhaps that one did leave the group earlier without her realising, it makes her entire statement fall apart, the police start aggressively quizzing her for "lying", and she just wants to go home.

But nah obviously an unquestionably brazen liar, string the lying slut up amirite? #Feminism.

Yeah, tend to agree with this really. And I don't know if it is illegal or not (I thought it was) but isn't filming someone having sex without their consent illegal? It really should be if it isn't

[Kizzy]

if you think about it TS does the story sound plausible to you when you read it?

Yes... it does if she was assaulted by 3 of a Party of 12 then all 12 would have to be arrested to sample their DNA to match with the sample recovered from the accuser?

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is the problem with threads about accusations. I did highlight this time and again in the SMollet case (regarding the inaccurate thread title that led to needless debate, only to be shot down and I think infracted, I cant recall

[user104658]

this is the problem with threads about accusations. I did highlight this time and again in the SMollet case (regarding the inaccurate thread title that led to needless debate, only to be shot down and I think infracted, I cant recall

What would be an accurate title?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What would be an accurate title?

i wasnt referring to this title in that post but the proper title should have been:

Twelve Israelis held in Cyprus over alleged gang rape of British tourist

[bots]

Everyone knows what Ayia Napa is like. Its the place where young people go to get legless drunk and have sex. So it's a seedy place basically. I wouldnt trust any of the accounts because the likelihood was they were completely out the game

[user104658]

Everyone knows what Ayia Napa is like. Its the place where young people go to get legless drunk and have sex. So it's a seedy place basically. I wouldnt trust any of the accounts because the likelihood was they were completely out the game

So if anyone goes on a party holiday and is sexually assaulted, they shouldn't just keep it to themselves because "debauchery" is to be expected and no one will believe them.

That does sound about right for what has happened here, yes.

[Cherie]

Horrible story from start to finish

[bots]

So if anyone goes on a party holiday and is sexually assaulted, they shouldn't just keep it to themselves because "debauchery" is to be expected and no one will believe them.

That does sound about right for what has happened here, yes.

i think people make a conscious decision to go on that type of holiday. Of course everyone retains the right to say no, but in that type of environment it's a lot less clear cut for obvious reasons

[Niamh.]

I actually listened to a guy speak about that NI case afterwards actually who made some very good points about consent and group sex involving one girl in particular (as this is usually where consent becomes the issue) He said, people don't normally have group sex, it's an unusual occurrence and something that most people won't ever do in their lives so the rule of thumb should be that unless you discussed it while sober with the girl and really knew she was comfortable with the idea then it should never happen. I really agree with that

[user104658]

i think people make a conscious decision to go on that type of holiday. Of course everyone retains the right to say no, but in that type of environment it's a lot less clear cut for obvious reasons

"Asking For It", then?

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here. Back ontopic please

[Kizzy]

Wouldn't have occurred to me TS. It just looked like the usual kind of stuff you might write.

Direct jibe at me, eh? And you feel perfectly entitled to do that.

This forum is ****ing imploding.

He has a point to be fair, you were very pro feminist on that thread, but in this one, not a glimmer... :/

[user104658]

I actually listened to a guy speak about that NI case afterwards actually who made some very good points about consent and group sex involving one girl in particular (as this is usually where consent becomes the issue) He said, people don't normally have group sex, it's an unusual occurrence and something that most people won't ever do in their lives so the rule of thumb should be that unless you discussed it while sober with the girl and really knew she was comfortable with the idea then it should never happen. I really agree with that

I agree especially when it's heavily "one sided" in nature. Threesomes (MMF or FFM) aren't THAT uncommon and even "orgies" with a mixture of men and women are different, but anyone trying to claim that a sexual encounter on a drunken night out between one girl and several men is likely to be legitimately and fully consensual...

[Kizzy]

Deleted some posts in here. Back ontopic please

Oop sorry posts crossed there :(

[bots]

"Asking For It", then.

Sorry TS, but you are too often putting words in peoples mouths for them these days, that's not what i said at all, so stop it ok?

[user104658]

Sorry TS, but you are too often putting words in peoples mouths for them these days, that's not what i said at all, so stop it ok?

Sorry, I've edited my punctuation for clarity.

[Kizzy]

i think people make a conscious decision to go on that type of holiday. Of course everyone retains the right to say no, but in that type of environment it's a lot less clear cut for obvious reasons

No I don't agree with this you could apply this logic to many scenarios .. rowdy frat parties, seedy nightclubs, there is no environment where it should be considered less clear cut.

[Niamh.]

I agree especially when it's heavily "one sided" in nature. Threesomes (MMF or FFM) aren't THAT uncommon and even "orgies" with a mixture of men and women are different, but anyone trying to claim that a sexual encounter on a drunken night out between one girl and several men is likely to be legitimately and fully consensual...

Yeah, like any of the ones that you hear about are usually drunk girl gets with one guy and all of a sudden his friends are "having a go" it seems opportunistic and never really appears fully consensual

[Kizzy]

Yeah, like any of the ones that you hear about are usually drunk girl gets with one guy and all of a sudden his friends are "having a go" it seems opportunistic and never really appears fully consensual
Well that's irrelevant now isn't it? The general consensus is now this girl lied and needs to go to jail..

[Livia]

Yeah, like any of the ones that you hear about are usually drunk girl gets with one guy and all of a sudden his friends are "having a go" it seems opportunistic and never really appears fully consensual

And that's what happened in this case?

[Niamh.]

And that's what happened in this case?

It seems to be

[Livia]

It seems to be

But "seems to be" doesn't cut it in court, Niamh.

No one on this thread is right or wrong, none of us know exactly what happened, we're all guessing. And frankly, I'm tired of being insulted by TS with the "feminist" thing (feminist is dirty word on here)... so once again, I'm going to leave him to it.

[user104658]

And that's what happened in this case?

As with the vast majority of sexual assault cases there sadly isn't enough evidence to make any sort of concrete claim on what actually happened and while that may well mean that it's right for the accused to be released without charge, it certainly isn't evidence that the accuser "should be punished for lying". Or as Oliver more boldly suggested - that she should serve 12 consecutive rape sentences.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I do agree with TSs points on this one Livia and my opinion on it is what I posted a few posts back on consent and especially consent to do with drunk girls and multiple men. What may or may not stand up in court is not what I was arguing, just my personal opinion from a moral stand point I suppose

[Amy Jade]

Everyone knows what Ayia Napa is like. Its the place where young people go to get legless drunk and have sex. So it's a seedy place basically. I wouldnt trust any of the accounts because the likelihood was they were completely out the game

Posts like this ****ing frighten me!

I have been on a few girls holidays with my friends (between 5 and 19 of us at various times/destinations) and I can assure anyone reading this that I never once went expecting to have sex and actually never did on a girls holiday, just not how I am although I don't judge anyone who does.

However the accusation that a young girl only goes to say Maga to have sex with strangers and would be best off not being believed is chilling.

[user104658]

But "seems to be" doesn't cut it in court, Niamh.

No one on this thread is right or wrong, none of us know exactly what happened, we're all guessing. And frankly, I'm tired of being insulted by TS with the "feminist" thing (feminist is dirty word on here)... so once again, I'm going to leave him to it.

Am I insulting you by calling you a feminist or by saying that you're not being feminist? I can't quite figure that out. Because whilst I'm certainly not any sort of radical, when it comes right down to it I honestly think on balance it's fairly clear that I do believe in MANY of the central principles of feminism? Being totally honest I can even fully appreciate where the self-ID concerns come from and the need for authorities to be considering with a level head rather than going off full steam ahead without any evidence base, and I got a bit too caught up in the point-scoring argument in that thread. If you'd asked me 3 years ago I'd have said that feminism is not the ongoing answer and equality rights need to move on to the next phase. Events of the last few years have shown that to be naive and that many, many aspects of feminism are still vital. I've taken a feminist stance on contless topics quite consistently on here but was instantly labelled anti-feminist and a misogynist because of a lapse on one issue that gets quickly layered and complicated, and I found that unfair, and yes it stung, so it has been spilling back out since.

[Vicky.]

I mean, from what I've read about it, the suggestion has been that she did it as "revenge" for a group of them (possibly not all 12) having sex with her consensually, but several of them filming it on their phones without consent and then refusing to delete it.

So whilst accusing them of rape is obviously a MASSIVELY over the top and immature reaction ... I would say that Nicky's assessment of "vile boys" is still quite accurate. No?

And TBQFH I'm very skeptical about how "consensual" a gangbang between one probably drunk 19 year old girl and multiple boys being filmed on smartphones is likely to have been, and strongly suspect she may have withdrawn her statement due to being grilled about it in an unpleasant manner and just wanting to get the hell out of there. If her statement was obviously a bit mis-remembered and confused (as it obviously would be) and then one of the boys proved he wasn't there, because perhaps that one did leave the group earlier without her realising, it makes her entire statement fall apart, the police start aggressively quizzing her for "lying", and she just wants to go home.

Spot on.

Honestly, I reckon she probably consented to a couple, then they all just went to town. Now some would say consenting to a gangbang means it IS a free for all, but IMO no, consent is still needed for each bloke tbh. Told the story, police were all like 'well consent to one dick means consent to all' or something, so it was withdrawn. Something along those lines tbh.

Plus filming her without consent, is very dodgy ground too.
This also serves as a prime example of why that "punish the accuser when there's proof" thread is utterly wrong headed because I'm getting the impression that plenty of people on this thread believe that there is "proof" that this girl wasn't assaulted in any way and would gleefully see her charged with a crime, when there clearly just ****ing isn't proof of that at all.
Yes, its a bit concerning how..if a allegation is withdrawn for any reason..its always 'see, proof she LIED, hang her!' type posts., And from people who minutes before were saying IF there was proof the guys should go to jail or whatever. The proof does not seem to need to be there for attacking the alleged victim though? Very odd.

[user104658]

Posts like this ****ing frighten me!

I have been on a few girls holidays with my friends (between 5 and 19 of us at various times/destinations) and I can assure anyone reading this that I never once went expecting to have sex and actually never did on a girls holiday, just not how I am although I don't judge anyone who does.

However the accusation that a young girl only goes to say Maga to have sex with strangers and would be best off not being believed is chilling.

It is chilling. I'd honestly be interested to know that statistics comparing sexual assault allegations on young holiday destinations vs charges pursued, because I'd bet that it's a horrifyingly low percentage even compared to the already-very-low rate generally. I do think people probably find it VERY hard to have their story heard and believed, and that the reasoning will often be "Well that's what you went there for wasn't it?".

[Nicky91]

Spot on.


Yes, its a bit concerning how..if a allegation is withdrawn for any reason..its always 'see, proof she LIED, hang her!' type posts., And from people who minutes before were saying IF there was proof the guys should go to jail or whatever. The proof does not seem to need to be there for attacking the alleged victim though? Very odd.

also the attorney who represents these boys had said they are gonna press charges on the girl even further

like do YOU have strong evidence to support your charges of her false rape claims

if there isn't evidence then these guys are in trouble, since then they make false charges of their own, or evidence that one of the guys filmed it without her consent the guys are also in trouble

[Niamh.]

It is chilling. I'd honestly be interested to know that statistics comparing sexual assault allegations on young holiday destinations vs charges pursued, because I'd bet that it's a horrifyingly low percentage even compared to the already-very-low rate generally. I do think people probably find it VERY hard to have their story heard and believed, and that the reasoning will often be "Well that's what you went there for wasn't it?".

I reckon most girls would want to go home and try to forget it ever happened rather than face a trial/police grilling with all those insinuations made/their sex life up for public scrutiny etc I wonder would this girl have done that too had it not been for the recording that was made. (which should be a crime on it's own whether the sex was viewed as consentual or not)

[Denver]

So they have video evidence of sexual activity happening but also evidence that the boys in the video were not actually there so how does that work? also in The UK sharing sexual contents without permission is legal so im guessing Cyprus doesnt have those laws?

[bots]

Posts like this ****ing frighten me!

I have been on a few girls holidays with my friends (between 5 and 19 of us at various times/destinations) and I can assure anyone reading this that I never once went expecting to have sex and actually never did on a girls holiday, just not how I am although I don't judge anyone who does.

However the accusation that a young girl only goes to say Maga to have sex with strangers and would be best off not being believed is chilling.

i lived in Cyprus for several years, I know Ayia Napa very well, what I said was true about it. It's a place where young people go to get very drunk and have sex. Some may not know about it, that is unfortunate, but many do.

[Daniel-X]

i lived in Cyprus for several years, I know Ayia Napa very well, what I said was true about it. It's a place where young people go to get very drunk and have sex. Some may not know about it, that is unfortunate, but many do.

I got back from Ayia Napa last week and was staying near Pambos Napa Rocks were this encounter took place. I can assure you that it is not always the case that people just go to have sex, just as me and the majority of my friends didn’t. Your view on the subject is quite out of touch with modern society.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I got back from Ayia Napa last week and was staying near Pambos Napa Rocks were this encounter took place. I can assure you that it is not always the case that people just go to have sex, just as me and the majority of my friends didn’t. Your view on the subject is quite out of touch with modern society.

so your opinion is based on like 4 people?

BOTS was not saying every single person goes there with that in mind but its a common theme - get wasted and lose your inhibitions and do something that you will regret at your leisure

[user104658]

i lived in Cyprus for several years, I know Ayia Napa very well, what I said was true about it. It's a place where young people go to get very drunk and have sex. Some may not know about it, that is unfortunate, but many do.

Just because many of the young people who go there are looking to get drunk and have sex, doesn't mean that EVERY young person does, nor that even if a young person DID go there to get drunk and have sex, she should expect not to be believed if she's sexually assaulted or raped. I'm sorry BOTS I know you've already said it's "words in mouth" but this is still sounding a lot like victim blaming? It doesn't matter "what sort of place it is" or "why some people go there", any more than it matters what someone is wearing or if they're "being clearly flirty".

[user104658]

BOTS was not saying every single person goes there with that in mind but its a common theme - get wasted and lose your inhibitions and do something that you will regret at your leisure

Something that you will regret like gang banging a drunk girl with dubious levels of consent and filming it on your smartphone. The perils of youth, eh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Something that you will regret like gang banging a drunk girl with dubious levels of consent and filming it on your smartphone. The perils of youth, eh.

i expect, if that is true, the lad was every bit as drunk as she was?

[Kizzy]

i lived in Cyprus for several years, I know Ayia Napa very well, what I said was true about it. It's a place where young people go to get very drunk and have sex. Some may not know about it, that is unfortunate, but many do.

So is blackpool ... doesn't mean that a case originating there should be given any less gravitas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Cyprus will take legal action against anyone who helped promote the lie, Ayia Napa Mayor Yiannis Karousos told Israel’s Channel 13 news, “including the girl who gave the alleged statement to police.”


The last thing the ISland wants is a rape case so they will throw the book at her as she could have damaged tourism

[user104658]

i expect, if that is true, the lad was every bit as drunk as she was?

That creates a reasonable grey area in an apparently-at-the-time one on one sexual encounter between a very drunk girl and a very drunk guy.

Trying to make it stretch to a group of pals tag-teaming one girl and filming it is a stretch. Actually it's not just "a stretch", it's bloody grim.

[user104658]

The last thing the ISland wants is a rape case so they will throw the book at her as she could have damaged tourism

This will be amazing for them, as I can only assume their rate of reported rapes and sexual assaults will drop to near enough zero. Grim.

[Niamh.]

That creates a reasonable grey area in an apparently-at-the-time one on one sexual encounter between a very drunk girl and a very drunk guy.

Trying to make it stretch to a group of pals tag-teaming one girl and filming it is a stretch. Actually it's not just "a stretch", it's bloody grim.

Yep. Excuse making for that sort of behaviour is also grim

[Denver]

i expect, if that is true, the lad was every bit as drunk as she was?

So you are saying its on to rape someone if drunk? Because you dont know what you are doing?

[Tom4784]

It makes me uneasy that charges were brought against her and I'll probably feel the same way until they reveal what they actually have on her.

[Kizzy]

so your opinion is based on like 4 people?

BOTS was not saying every single person goes there with that in mind but its a common theme - get wasted and lose your inhibitions and do something that you will regret at your leisure

Like rape someone? :/

[Vicky.]

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty D:

[user104658]

It makes me uneasy that charges were brought against her and I'll probably feel the same way until they reveal what they actually have on her.

The only thing that would make me change my mind would be if she'd had some sort of disagreement with the group and it was actually proven that none of them had been anywhere near her. The fact that THREE of them have admitted to sexual contact with her off their own back is enough for me to say that - at absolute most - the whole thing should just be dropped and she should be allowed to come home.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That creates a reasonable grey area in an apparently-at-the-time one on one sexual encounter between a very drunk girl and a very drunk guy.

Trying to make it stretch to a group of pals tag-teaming one girl and filming it is a stretch. Actually it's not just "a stretch", it's bloody grim.

how do you know anything about what happened?


All we know so far is that the girl had sex with 3 of the lads - we dont know if this was over a night ir a week, together or what. We also know that she was angry at getting kicked out of their room and she claims someone filmed her having sex and due to that she made up a rape claim.

[Crimson Dynamo]

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty D:

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

[bots]

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty D:

i think people are missing the point, what i am saying is with drunken people in those circumstances it becomes more difficult to prove something one way or another. Of course someone could still be raped, and thats very wrong, but proving something is much more difficult and the investigation will more than likely go back over all the people involved behaviour in the days running up to what happened

[Denver]

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

And you know all of this because?

[user104658]

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

LT: "No one knows anything about anything that has ever happened in any situation. Except me, here is what happened."

[Crimson Dynamo]

And you know all of this because?

it stated in a NY Post article I just read (and one from the Israeli Times)

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT: "No one knows anything about anything that has ever happened in any situation. Except me, here is what happened."

The information is quickly gathered from the MSM news articles onine, it takes about 2 minutes to gather the available evidence

[user104658]

The information is quickly gathered from the MSM news articles onine, it takes about 2 minutes to gather the available evidence

You believe that information gathered from MSM articles is "evidence"? Well this is all starting to make more sense now. I feel like one of the many enigmas of your character has just clicked into place, LT.

[Nicky91]

it stated in a NY Post article I just read (and one from the Israeli Times)

NY Post :conf:

i saw an article about this in the NY Times, not Post

[Mystic Mock]

If 12 men had sex with her then it does start to look more like a rape case imo, as even the most sexual person in the world wouldn't want to probably have sex with 12 other people at the same time.

I know that the evidence hasn't really been clear yet on if she had sex with 12 of them, but if it is the case then I am strongly leaning towards her telling the truth about the rape.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You believe that information gathered from MSM articles is "evidence"? Well this is all starting to make more sense now. I feel like one of the many enigmas of your character has just clicked into place, LT.

I am relating what information has been published by newspapers, you were making stuff up

big difference

[Crimson Dynamo]

If 12 men had sex with her then it does start to look more like a rape case imo, as even the most sexual person in the world wouldn't want to probably have sex with 12 other people at the same time.

I know that the evidence hasn't really been clear yet on if she had sex with 12 of them, but if it is the case then I am strongly leaning towards her telling the truth about the rape.

mock did you read the thread?


she had consensual sex with 3 (and we dont know over how many hours or days)

she made up the rape allegation as she was cross with one or 3 of them and will be now be prosecuted

[Mystic Mock]

mock did you read the thread?


she had consensual sex with 3 (and we dont know over how many hours or days)

she made up the rape allegation as she was cross with one or 3 of them and will be now be prosecuted

That is a truly bizarre way to lie about getting raped though.

[Livia]

Yeah I do agree with TSs points on this one Livia and my opinion on it is what I posted a few posts back on consent and especially consent to do with drunk girls and multiple men. What may or may not stand up in court is not what I was arguing, just my personal opinion from a moral stand point I suppose

Yeah, I understand that.

I also understand that girls have to take responsibility for their own safety. I am not victim blaming, I'm merely saying if you're putting your safety into the hands of a number of drunk lads, then you're taking your own safety very lightly.

Anyhoo, I'm off this thread, and any thread where "hashtag feminism" is allowed to stand as an insult.

[Kizzy]

Yeah, I understand that.

I also understand that girls have to take responsibility for their own safety. I am not victim blaming, I'm merely saying if you're putting your safety into the hands of a number of drunk lads, then you're taking your own safety very lightly.

Anyhoo, I'm off this thread, and any thread where "hashtag feminism" is allowed to stand as an insult.

Yeah take that hashtag away immediately because looking at that post nothing about it says anything remotely feminist. And as much as you say it isn't ..it is victim blaming.

[Vicky.]

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry
So you keep saying..
i think people are missing the point, what i am saying is with drunken people in those circumstances it becomes more difficult to prove something one way or another. Of course someone could still be raped, and thats very wrong, but proving something is much more difficult and the investigation will more than likely go back over all the people involved behaviour in the days running up to what happened

Well yeah, its harder to prove if people are drunk. Tbh, its hard to prove regardless I think.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you keep saying..




i am reporting the information that has been given to the media about the case - its online for all to see.

[Amy Jade]

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty D:

Same to be honest.

[user104658]

I am relating what information has been published by newspapers, you were making stuff up

big difference

What did I "make up"?

[Nicky91]

i stand with that girl, because i believe in ''Innocent until proven guilty''

only if there is enough strong evidence which backs up that she had been lying i would believe it, and i've been reading on many news sites about this, and i cannot read that there is much evidence


also vile dailymail trolls again wanting to know her name :bored: like why, do they want to do something to her or her family :think:

[SherzyK]

i am reporting the information that has been given to the media about the case - its online for all to see.

I think you’ve been reading into things a bit too much, don’t you think?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What did I "make up"?

iv just read it back TS and its my error, i read what you posted in the wrong manner. My apologies

[reece(:]

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty D:

Totally agree, the direction this thread has went is really worrying. Especially these out of touch opinions generalising everyone going to these destinations for sex, which me and my group most certainly did not.

[sleleen]

Totally agree, the direction this thread has went is really worrying. Especially these out of touch opinions generalising everyone going to these destinations for sex, which me and my group most certainly did not.

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i stand with that girl, because i believe in ''Innocent until proven guilty''

only if there is enough strong evidence which backs up that she had been lying i would believe it, and i've been reading on many news sites about this, and i cannot read that there is much evidence


also vile dailymail trolls again wanting to know her name :bored: like why, do they want to do something to her or her family :think:

She tried to ruin the lives of 12 young men and is being prosecuted

[Nicky91]

She tried to ruin the lives of 12 young men and is being prosecuted

her word vs 12 young men

just saying, she's way outnumbered of course they are gonna believe those guys more than her


before she's prosecuted they need to look for strong evidence, has she been filmed, and did she agree to being filmed or not

if she didn't agree to being filmed, those young men can still be charged, i hated those smug looks on their faces when they were released :bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

her word vs 12 young men

just saying, she's way outnumbered of course they are gonna believe those guys more than her


before she's prosecuted they need to look for strong evidence, has she been filmed, and did she agree to being filmed or not

if she didn't agree to being filmed, those young men can still be charged, i hated those smug looks on their faces when they were released :bored:

The woman has allegedly confessed that she had made a false rape claim, state broadcaster Cybc reported, citing police sources

[user104658]

I personally think that secretly filming a consensual sex act should actually be classed as a form of sexual assault anyway.

[Niamh.]

I personally think that secretly filming a consensual sex act should actually be classed as a form of sexual assault anyway.

100%

[user104658]

The woman has allegedly confessed that she had made a false rape claim, state broadcaster Cybc reported, citing police sourcesALL this means is that she's said "Never mind I don't want to pursue this, I made it all up can I go home now" which is speculation yes but wouldn't be unusual when someone feels like they aren't being believed, especially so far from home. She perhaps naively thought that if she "took it back" it would all just be over.

[AnnieK]

I personally think that secretly filming a consensual sex act should actually be classed as a form of sexual assault anyway.

100% agree with that TS

[Crimson Dynamo]

ALL this means is that she's said "Never mind I don't want to pursue this, I made it all up can I go home now" which is speculation yes but wouldn't be unusual when someone feels like they aren't being believed, especially so far from home. She perhaps naively thought that if she "took it back" it would all just be over.
Ithink they confronted her with some evidence about one of the accused she said was part of the "rape" and showed her a timestamped pic of him in bed with his girlfriend and she caved (from the Cyprus Mail)

[bots]

if she changed her mind and decided not to proceed with the whole thing,it's unlikely the police would follow it up with a prosecution, unless there were grounds to do so. We will find out in due course. There is no point getting angry over speculation.

[Nicky91]

if she changed her mind and decided not to proceed with the whole thing,it's unlikely the police would follow it up with a prosecution, unless there were grounds to do so. We will find out in due course. There is no point getting angry over speculation.

yup, that's literally all we can do now, speculate

i think she might be facing a huge fine, if the evidence is good enough to presecute her but that's again speculation

[Nicky91]

girl has to stay in custody for a while longer


she will appear in court again today

[Nicky91]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus-court-remands-for-8-days-uk-teen-who-withdrew-rape-claim-against-israelis/

she can get 1 year in prison and a fine


''She stood grim-faced during the session, without speaking. Her mother was also present.''

[Denver]

It seems like she was forced to sign a dodgy confession

[Ammi]

A British teenager, who claimed she was gang raped in Ayia Napa, has been held in prison after police forced her to retract the allegations, a UK legal group has said.

According to messages Justice Abroad said were published in media reports, the 19-year-old woman said officers forced her to sign documents, thought to be a confession, and threatened to arrest her friends if she refused.

Previous reports said the teenager had changed her story and told police she had made up the claims.

The teenagers she alleged raped her appeared in court, but five members of the group have since returned home to Israel.

In a statement, Justice Abroad, who are supporting the teenager, said: "Reports by the Cypriot police that the teenager has voluntarily recanted her rape allegation are denied by the family.

"According to the family members, what in fact occurred, was that the teenager was taken by the Cypriot police to the police station at around 6.30pm whilst on medications.

"She was asked to provide a further statement in regard to the rape allegations.


https://news.sky.com/story/british-teenager-accused-of-making-false-rape-allegations-in-cyprus-was-forced-to-confess-11778037

[Oliver_W]

Is she taking tips from Jay from the Inbetweeners or something?

Jay: Don't you even know about foreign police? Basically, if you misbehave
and don't have the money to bribe 'em, they take you up to these shepherds' huts in the hills, beat you up and bum ya.

Neil: And if they don't kill ya, you kill yourself,cos of the shame of getting a boner
whilst you was being bummed.

Will: Right, couple of things. Firstly, the hills here are full of timeshares,
not deserted shepherds' huts. Secondly, [Greece]'s in the EU, so I think the standard of policing probably goes beyond bumming and forced suicide.

[bots]

Cyprus is a corrupt place, nothing would surprise me

[Kizzy]

A British teenager, who claimed she was gang raped in Ayia Napa, has been held in prison after police forced her to retract the allegations, a UK legal group has said.

According to messages Justice Abroad said were published in media reports, the 19-year-old woman said officers forced her to sign documents, thought to be a confession, and threatened to arrest her friends if she refused.

Previous reports said the teenager had changed her story and told police she had made up the claims.

The teenagers she alleged raped her appeared in court, but five members of the group have since returned home to Israel.

In a statement, Justice Abroad, who are supporting the teenager, said: "Reports by the Cypriot police that the teenager has voluntarily recanted her rape allegation are denied by the family.

"According to the family members, what in fact occurred, was that the teenager was taken by the Cypriot police to the police station at around 6.30pm whilst on medications.

"She was asked to provide a further statement in regard to the rape allegations.


https://news.sky.com/story/british-teenager-accused-of-making-false-rape-allegations-in-cyprus-was-forced-to-confess-11778037
Well well well...
I hope this girl gets some kind of justice, something just didn't ring true from the get go. Why would Israeli diplomats decend for a start...where were our diplomats. ..or a solicitor come to that?

[Ammi]

Well well well...
I hope this girl gets some kind of justice, something just didn't ring true from the get go. Why would Israeli diplomats decend for a start...where were our diplomats. ..or a solicitor come to that?

...yeah the change of story so quickly was never something that sat quite right, Kizzy...it’ll be interesting to see what happens now...

[MTVN]

A British teenager accused of lying about being raped has said her statement withdrawing the claims was "not in proper English" and there was "no way" she would have written it.

The 19-year-old woman, who cannot be identified, told the court that police forced her to make the statement.

She is on trial in Cyprus accused of causing public mischief by allegedly falsely claiming to have been raped by 12 Israeli men in Ayia Napa on 17 July.

She denies the charge.

The woman, who is giving evidence at Famagusta District Court in Paralimni, broke down in tears as she was cross-examined for more than three hours on Wednesday.

According to her testimony, she was gang raped in a hotel room in the resort but 10 days later she says police forced her to retract the statement.

Prosecutors say she willingly wrote and signed the statement, which was brought out in court.

'Doesn't make grammatical sense'
Giving evidence, the woman said: "This is not in proper English. This is in Greek English.

"I'm very well educated. I'm going to university, I got an unconditional offer so there is no way I would write a paragraph like this."

Her lawyers say she was told what to write by Cypriot police, led by Detective Sergeant Marios Christou, and the teenager made the statement fearing she would be kidnapped or killed.

"It doesn't make grammatical sense," the teenager said.

"All the way through there isn't one sentence an English person would write."

She broke down in court as she said she had lied to her mother in a text sent from the police station, when she messaged: "Trust me, I'm OK."

She told the court: "I think any child will lie to their parents to tell them they are OK because parents don't stop worrying about their child.

"If your child had just been raped by 12 Israelis and wouldn't get out of bed and had a throat so swollen she couldn't breathe and was taken to the police station for what she thought was an hour but then went on to be nearly eight hours."

More: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50072902

Trial still ongoing but I feel so sorry for this girl and my instinct is that she's been totally screwed over

[DouglasS]

I think she has been screwed over also. The law system abroad is often very corrupt and manipulative to get their own result.

[Denver]

Of course they went from having video evidence of her having intercourse while unconscious yet later try deny it

[Niamh.]

Poor girl, it's no wonder women don't report rapes alot of the time. Seems it's legal anyway

[Nicky91]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/30/briton-found-guilty-over-ayia-napa-false-claim-cyprus

found guilty over false rape claim

''She could be sent to jail for a year or fined more than €1,000 (£854).''

[arista]

Yes she said the First time arrested was Female Police Officer
but the 2 Male Police officers were worse.
Also they do not record any interviews.

Looks like the Male Cops have changed her statement.

[Kazanne]

Its being reported here aswell
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/british-woman-found-guilty-of-lying-about-being-gang-raped-by-israeli-teenagers-in-cyprus/ar-BBYsbLF?ocid=spartandhp

[Crimson Dynamo]

so it seems she felt humiliated by being filmed and to get "revenge" se made up the rape allegation

she will now be severely punished for her lies

[Denver]

so it seems she felt humiliated by being filmed and to get "revenge" se made up the rape allegation

she will now be severely punished for her lies

Let's forget the fact she was intimidated into retracting her statement

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let's forget the fact she was intimidated into retracting her statement

the full facts have been tried in a court of law

not on a forum or on twitter

[Denver]

Yet they did it all in a room with no cameras so they couldn't be proved of intimidating a witness

The fact they had evidence of her unresponsive on the actual DeX tape should be enough but it wasnt

[Zizu]

so it seems she felt humiliated by being filmed and to get "revenge" se made up the rape allegation

she will now be severely punished for her lies



Still seems a strange scenario if I’m correct in thinking she was having sex with a tourist (possibly for money ) with eleven other guys in the room .

It all sounds very odd.. .maybe she agreed to sleep with the guy and then they all joined in .. basic pack mentality


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[Crimson Dynamo]

In a damming verdict, Judge Michalis Papathansidi said the only the time the
teenager told the truth was when she admitted to being 'humiliated' after
discovering she had been filmed by a group of Israeli men.

'She did not make a good impression on the court,' he said. 'She did not tell
the truth and tried to mislead the court.

'She tried to avoid giving answers and part of her statements could not be
accepted. I could observe no reliability on her part of her defence.

'She was never clear on what happened. She was not stating the truth and I
reject the version she gave to the court.'

He added: 'The guilt of the accused is proven. She confessed her guilt.'

The judge said he found evidence from police officers who carried out the
rape investigation to be 'honest and truthful.'

[Kizzy]

Still seems a strange scenario if I’m correct in thinking she was having sex with a tourist (possibly for money ) with eleven other guys in the room .

It all sounds very odd.. .maybe she agreed to sleep with the guy and then they all joined in .. basic pack mentality


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Hang on...now she's a prostitute?

[user104658]

The whole case is dodgy as **** and as soon as it became international news and politics started getting involved she didn't stand a chance. Collateral damage in a messed up system. She's barely an adult, the whole thing is an absolute mess.

[bots]

the whole thing is very dodgy. She was refused a lawyer be present when she "signed" her confession. The case should have been thrown out on that alone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The whole case is dodgy as **** and as soon as it became international news and politics started getting involved she didn't stand a chance. Collateral damage in a messed up system. She's barely an adult, the whole thing is an absolute mess.

if you look at it rationally, how likely is the initial claim?

id say its pretty unlikely

[user104658]

if you look at it rationally, how likely is the initial claim?

id say its pretty unlikely

You didn't strike me as someone who has lead a sheltered life LT but if you think these things don't happen (plenty) then I can only assume that you have?

I also personally think that filming without consent should be considered a form of sexual assault anyway.

[Zizu]

Hang on...now she's a prostitute?



Don’t take up the legal profession...

I said possibly as in maybe.... just throwing out a possibility as to why a young woman would agree to have sex with a complete stranger with a group of guys in the room ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

You didn't strike me as someone who has lead a sheltered life LT but if you think these things don't happen (plenty) then I can only assume that you have?

I also personally think that filming without consent should be considered a form of sexual assault anyway.

You are saying that young women are raped by 12 boys is a regular thing on holidays in the med?


where are you getting that info from?

[Kizzy]

Don’t take up the legal profession...

I said possibly as in maybe.... just throwing out a possibility as to why a young woman would agree to have sex with a complete stranger with a group of guys in the room ..


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Wouldn't dream of it, I don't do supposition...

[Tom4784]

Reading about the actions of the police and how the Judge refused to hear certain evidence paints a grim picture. I don't know how anyone could follow this story and say without a shadow of doubt that justice has been served when the police have blatantly acted in incredibly dodgy ways.

I hope this goes all the way to the top, the truth must be exposed and if it comes down to it, corruption must be cut out where it's found.

[Cherie]

The Foreign Office has issued a statement, the girl is being stitched up I think

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Foreign Office has issued a statement, the girl is being stitched up I think

they can raise concerns but justice has been served and the court will sentence on the 7th

end of

[arista]

[UK to raise concerns with Cyprus after British teen is found guilty of false rape claim]
https://news.sky.com/story/british-woman-found-guilty-of-lying-about-cyprus-gang-rape-11897959




https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/owgJCvyBNpCzTN5v04Ubxw/https/media.fyre.co/zE4DSL0QavwOn73sS1aQ_The%20Sun.JPG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/ym7K5cfnQHLvmgtJMrh8cA/https/media.fyre.co/Xi43v6ZNRxqQszooDnPm_Daily%20Mail.JPG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/v8OXZjRUJztbhMAoq8O7eg/https/media.fyre.co/wO2PXE3aRiKKOD4s8TFD_The%20Daily%20Telegraph.JPG

[Kizzy]

The truth will out...

[Ammi]

The truth will out...

...ughhhh... I do hope so, Kizzy...I mean, we like to think that, don’t we...but there is also, dreadful wrongs and injustices..:sad:...

[user104658]

they can raise concerns but justice has been served and the court will sentence on the 7th

end of

"The confession looks like it was written by a Cypriot rather than a British 19 year old in a country that has a track record for corruption, the UK police and Foreign Office think something is up and the government is even getting involved but JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED so end of."

Unquestioning adherence to systems of authority isn't sensible LT. I think you think it's sensible/mature? It isn't.

[bots]

There is obviously a bad smell about this case. I lived in Cyprus for 3+ years so I can say with some authority that the place outwardly appears to be like a mini uk but it's really like an alternative reality. The police and judicial systems are corrupt .... very .... as are all their systems of administration and banks etc. Women do not have the same rights as men. There may outwardly be laws in place to protect people, but the Cypriot way to deal with that is to ignore the law and carry on regardless. Anyone that has spent time in Cyprus will know this.

[thesheriff443]

Casual Sex can be risky, casual sex in another country adds another level of risk.

Hopefully people seeing this case will think twice about sex with strangers while on holiday.

[Denver]

This case will just destroy all relations between The UK and Cypeua and for that Cyprus will be sorry

[arista]

[£80k raised for rape claim Briton
as mum backs Cyprus boycott
It comes as the girl's mother says
she supports calls on social media
for a tourist boycott of the country.

The GoFundMe page was set up by
British lawyer John Hobbs in August
to help the 19-year-old raise funds
for legal representation.
The young woman had said she
was raped by up to 12 Israeli tourists
in a hotel room in the town of
Ayia Napa on 17 July.
But she was charged after she
signed a retraction statement
10 days after the incident.

In court, she claimed
Cypriot police
pressured her to change her
account of what happened but
she was convicted of public mischief.]


Good on the mother.

https://news.sky.com/story/80k-raised-to-help-briton-appeal-conviction-over-false-rape-claim-11898874

[Kizzy]

Would a British lawyer be advocating such actions if there wasn't the slightest hint of injustice?
Surely they would be strongly suggesting she accept the judgement :/

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning :nono:

[Tom4784]

This case will just destroy all relations between The UK and Cypeua and for that Cyprus will be sorry

It won't do ****. Countries allow for a lot of terrible **** to happen to it's citizens abroad but there's rarely political action because it's not ultimately worth losing an ally for in their eyes.

The most they'll ever do 99% of the time is voice their displeasure and hope that the media applies pressure on their behalf so that they can advise the country in question to deport the prisoner instead. The UK would never cut ties with Cyprus over something like this. It's completely naive to think that they would.

[user104658]

To be fair though, if the campaigning is strong enough it might hit tourism to Cyprus and they rely heavily on it. In fact, protecting the tourism industry is a huge part of why their corrupt police and courts systems like to pretend that the bulk of crime, especially violent crime, "didn't happen". Gang rapes are bad for the tourist dollar so... she made it up. I don't think they expected it to get the sort of publicity it has, though.

[Niamh.]

To be fair though, if the campaigning is strong enough it might hit tourism to Cyprus and they rely heavily on it. In fact, protecting the tourism industry is a huge part of why their corrupt police and courts systems like to pretend that the bulk of crime, especially violent crime, "didn't happen". Gang rapes are bad for the tourist dollar so... she made it up. I don't think they expected it to get the sort of publicity it has, though.

Well, I know I'd be persuading my 19 year old daughter to stay away from there after hearing this story (thankfully she's not really into those sort of holidays anyway)

[Tom4784]

Well, I know I'd be persuading my 19 year old daughter to stay away from there after hearing this story (thankfully she's not really into those sort of holidays anyway)

Good call, this story has exposed a lot of dodgy **** about Cyprus' law system. I will never go there after hearing this story myself.

[user104658]

Well, I know I'd be persuading my 19 year old daughter to stay away from there after hearing this story (thankfully she's not really into those sort of holidays anyway)

I mean to be fair-ish to Ayia Napa, none of these party-holiday destinations or much better than the others when it comes to these things. Riddled with predators, whether they be seeking something or selling something. I really HOPE my daughter never wants to go on that sort of holiday, because then I'll have to be there like
https://media1.tenor.com/images/0ab6d795bf08a1fa14054581b14e49ad/tenor.gif

[Niamh.]

I mean to be fair-ish to Ayia Napa, none of these party-holiday destinations or much better than the others when it comes to these things. Riddled with predators, whether they be seeking something or selling something. I really HOPE my daughter never wants to go on that sort of holiday, because then I'll have to be there like
https://media1.tenor.com/images/0ab6d795bf08a1fa14054581b14e49ad/tenor.gif

:laugh:

[Beso]

I mean to be fair-ish to Ayia Napa, none of these party-holiday destinations or much better than the others when it comes to these things. Riddled with predators, whether they be seeking something or selling something. I really HOPE my daughter never wants to go on that sort of holiday, because then I'll have to be there like
https://media1.tenor.com/images/0ab6d795bf08a1fa14054581b14e49ad/tenor.gif

Maybe best if a man of your age isn't seen loitering in bushes in these places TS

[Livia]

This case will just destroy all relations between The UK and Cypeua and for that Cyprus will be sorry

RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus is an important base in the Middle East. We can't just stomp off in a huff, we have to get them to take a good, hard look at themselves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The xenophobic undercurrent for Cyprus is rather distasteful on here...

[user104658]

Maybe best if a man of your age isn't seen loitering in bushes in these places TS

I'll use drones.

[Tom4784]

The xenophobic undercurrent for Cyprus is rather distasteful on here...

It's never a good idea to bootlick police forces with question marks over their conduct, you don't know where they've been.

[user104658]

It's never a good idea to bootlick police forces with question marks over their conduct, you don't know where they've been.

Unquestioning adherence to the findings of every police force in the world. Sorry... every force in the world except the Portuguese, they're full of NONSENSE that poor woman.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/oxLLkvfA_CgK26fkqVgjmw/https/media.fyre.co/qQfMlsCfS02M0N3QzqY3_Sun.JPG

[Ammi]

...it’s 2020 and it’s so, so sad that it’s still so difficult for a female to gain belief that she has been raped...and yet, belief that she hasn’t, seems to come so much easier...I don’t know what the truth of this is...but some public resistance to what was originally said and contrasting acceptance of what is now said is really deflating...having just recently watched ‘Unbelievable’ which is a true story, it’s easy to see how justice proceedings can feel like ‘being raped again’...and the temptation to say...no, it didn’t happen and have it all be over and give the system what is felt it wants...

[Kizzy]

As if Boris will help :/

[Zizu]

As if Boris will help :/



He may surprise everyone... time will tell


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[The Slim Reaper]

He has previous for "helping" uk citizens in trouble abroad.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran-prison-husband-daughter-letter-a9226936.html

Mr Johnson was accused of playing into the regime’s hands when, during his tenure in the foreign office, he told a Commons committee the British-Iranian citizen had been “teaching people journalism” in the country when she was arrested on charges of espionage.

The claim was used by the nation as evidence to double her prison sentence, furthering allegations she had been spreading “propaganda against the regime”. Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe and her husband Richard Ratcliffe have maintained she was on holiday at the time of her arrest.

[Livia]

The Foreign Office is already involved. Is someone's expecting Boris to fly over personally?

[user104658]

The safest bet would be to go in not trying to have her sentence overturned, but to try to get her transferred to a UK prison. Then go from there.

[Kizzy]

I'm not expecting boris to fly there personally..I hope he doesn't. .. if he starts meddling she'll be stuck there indefinately like that other poor cow he 'helped'!

[MTVN]

The safest bet would be to go in not trying to have her sentence overturned, but to try to get her transferred to a UK prison. Then go from there.

The sentencing is not till Tuesday so she may not need to spend anymore time in any prison - it sounds like a suspended sentence is quite likely

[Niamh.]

UK teenager’s conviction touches a nerve with angry Cypriot women
Women’s rights are now in the spotlight, with a new protest group using the ‘false rape’ case to raise awareness of abuse and injustice across the country

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Famagusta district court is an unlikely springboard for a women’s movement to leap into the headlines. The tired, one-storey building in the small east-coast town of Paralimni is unused to seeing camera crews, much less a clutch of Fleet Street’s finest prowling its corridors.

But even they seemed insignificant next to the protesters who had shown up in support of the British teenager on trial for allegedly fabricating a claim of being gang raped last summer by 12 Israeli youths aged between 15 and 22, in the resort town of Ayia Napa.

Members of the newly created Network Against Violence Against Women (NAVAW), they had come in the pouring rain driven by a burning desire to see a purported injustice addressed.


The fate of the 19-year-old British student – found guilty that day of falsely accusing the Israelis of rape – had brought them to this place, placards and banners in hand. But it wasn’t all. The young woman’s ordeal, as gruelling and unfair as it appeared in their eyes, had galvanised a much deeper fury – one that runs deep in the fabric of a society more Levantine than European.

“It has given an explosion to the voice of women who have been very angry since the murders,” says Argentoula Ioannou, referring to the deaths of seven foreign women and girls at the hands of a serial killer who went undetected by the island’s authorities for years. Bodies of most of the victims were found last year in suitcases in the bottom of lakes on the Mediterranean island. “It is anger that we are turning into action now.”

An activist lawyer who has long been the force behind Cyprus’s single parents’ association, Ioannou helped set up the network in October.

On Tuesday, she will be among the protesters who will again descend on the court – this time with scores of fellow female demonstrators from Israel – for the sentencing of the Briton, who stands convicted of the crime of public mischief. The offence carries a maximum penalty of a year in prison and a fine of up to €1,700.

“It will be a big protest, a protest like no other,” she warns, calling the teenager’s alleged retraction of the rape claim a travesty of justice. “What has been happening in our country is very, very wrong.”

Few cases have touched such a nerve. On an island where women’s rights are rarely aired publicly, one woman’s fight for justice has stirred an underbelly of grievances so raw few can tell where they will lead.

“It has brought to the surface the problems of sexism and misogyny that we have across the private and public sectors,” says Susana Pavlou of the Mediterranean Institute of Gender Studies in Nicosia, the divided capital.

“Cyprus has one of the highest rates of tertiary-educated women in the world, which makes you think it’s a rather modern society at first. Then a case like this comes along and all these deeply held patriarchal attitudes, that might not be apparent at first glance, come to the fore.”

From last August, when the trial began, court proceedings had been clouded by what she describes as “gender stereotypes, classic rape myths and victim bashing”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/04/cyprus-british-rape-case-womens-rights-anger-at-injustices

[arista]

Yes
we find out tomorrow.

Boycott Cyprus is growing.

[Denver]

Has anyone seen how one of the boys has done a lot of interviews claiming he wants her in prison for a long time and a hell of a lot of compo.

Makes me sick

[Crimson Dynamo]

Has anyone seen how one of the boys has done a lot of interviews claiming he wants her in prison for a long time and a hell of a lot of compo.

Makes me sick

i think if a woman had made a false rape claim against your name you would be of a similar mind

[Tom4784]

It's a disgraceful situation, Cyprus should hand her over to the UK as along with all the evidence against her so a competent investigation can be held because the more that gets revealed about this story, the more corrupt the police are looking.

[Denver]

i think if a woman had made a false rape claim against your name you would be of a similar mind

You would believe the man though

[Niamh.]

Has anyone seen how one of the boys has done a lot of interviews claiming he wants her in prison for a long time and a hell of a lot of compo.

Makes me sick

Looks like they've lost public support in Israel :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7850097/How-Israel-turned-12-teenage-boys-accused-sexually-assaulting-British-girl-Cyprus.html

This week, two of Israel’s top celebrity journalists, Guy Meroz and Orly Vilnai — the Richard and Judy of Tel Aviv — described how they’d travelled to Cyprus and interviewed the British girl many times and are convinced she is telling the truth.

‘She was raped without question,’ Orly told viewers yesterday. ‘We are both convinced she was physically raped. We met a wonderful young woman whose trauma was loud and clear in almost all her behaviour. She bites her fingernails, at times she “gets stuck” and goes into a world from which she needs to be woken up.’

[Crimson Dynamo]

You would believe the man though

the courts and the law in that country have spoken, sentence will be tomorrow

[Denver]

the courts and the law in that country have spoken, sentence will be tomorrow

Cyprus is so corrupt and their courts and law system are not to be trusted,


They had video evidence yet refused to believe the girl what so ever.

Boris should come down hard on Cypeus because they rely heavily on British money

[Tom4784]

the courts and the law in that country have spoken, sentence will be tomorrow

And they are wrong, not that bootlickers will ever be able to question what their masters are saying despite it not adding up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cyprus is so corrupt and their courts and law system are not to be trusted,


They had video evidence yet refused to believe the girl what so ever.

Boris should come down hard on Cypeus because they rely heavily on British money

that is a rather xenophobic view

foreign so must be tinpot corrupt

:/

[Denver]

The fact is they had video evidence of the rape that they disregarded and refused to look into.

Then they had a statement that she apparently wrote that said she lied but wasnt written with proper english.

Also they refused to film the interviews

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact is they had video evidence of the rape that they disregarded and refused to look into.

Then they had a statement that she apparently wrote that said she lied but wasnt written with proper english.

Also they refused to film the interviews

allegations that were dealt with in the hearing

[Denver]

They did not even investigate the video when they should have, it had proof that she was forced and called horrible names and all the bruises she was left with were Mark's that a rape victim would have had

[Denver]

They should request the girl and 12 boys are extradited to the UK and allow a proper investigation to happen

[Niamh.]

They should request the girl and 12 boys are extradited to the UK and allow a proper investigation to happen

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Tm-Cyprus-rape.jpg?strip=all&w=835

marks found on her body consistent with rape but the judge dismissed them as "jellyfish stings" this case is gross

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Tm-Cyprus-rape.jpg?strip=all&w=835

marks found on her body consistent with rape but the judge dismissed them as "jellyfish stings" this case is gross

that "evidence" came from a poor sketch, not a photograph and the conclusion from a pathologist who spoke to the Daily Mail and who saw the sketch and not the body

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State pathologist Sophocles Sophocleous had previously told the court that the teen had no marks on her body consistent with serious sexual assault. He said there were a few light bruises on her thighs and scratches on her leg but that a lot were old and those on her leg were consistent with bumping into furniture.
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The claim that they were consistent with "a rape" came from the team trying to get her off and was dismissed by the judge

[Kizzy]

Looks like they've lost public support in Israel :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7850097/How-Israel-turned-12-teenage-boys-accused-sexually-assaulting-British-girl-Cyprus.html

This week, two of Israel’s top celebrity journalists, Guy Meroz and Orly Vilnai — the Richard and Judy of Tel Aviv — described how they’d travelled to Cyprus and interviewed the British girl many times and are convinced she is telling the truth.

‘She was raped without question,’ Orly told viewers yesterday. ‘We are both convinced she was physically raped. We met a wonderful young woman whose trauma was loud and clear in almost all her behaviour. She bites her fingernails, at times she “gets stuck” and goes into a world from which she needs to be woken up.’
Poor lass, that sounds like PTSD :(

[Denver]

The judge in charge has a history of accusing female rape victims of lying.

[user104658]

There seem to be rumblings of an instant presidential pardon even if she gets a jail sentence... which of course means they get to pard her conviction and she gets to come home, but they don't have to admit that anything was wrong with the trial. I would suggest that Cyprus wants this case to "go away" because they're worried about people looking into it too much.

Even Israel isn't supporting the 12 "innocent Israeli boys" at this point ffs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There seem to be rumblings of an instant presidential pardon even if she gets a jail sentence... which of course means they get to pard her conviction and she gets to come home, but they don't have to admit that anything was wrong with the trial. I would suggest that Cyprus wants this case to "go away" because they're worried about people looking into it too much.

Even Israel isn't supporting the 12 "innocent Israeli boys" at this point ffs.

How does a country support in that way. They were proven innocent. ?

[AnnieK]

How does a country support in that way. They were proven innocent. ?

They were proven not guilty....big difference to being proven innocent

[Denver]

They were proven not guilty....big difference to being proven innocent

They wasnt even proven not guilty the people on charge didnt even care about the rape

[AnnieK]

They wasnt even proven not guilty the people on charge didnt even care about the rape

Was just coming back in to say this....the case was about her, not them.

She will be pardoned I'm sure.....hope she manages to put this behind her in time and move on with her life......and never return there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They wasnt even proven not guilty the people on charge didnt even care about the rape

You made that up.

[Beso]

I think she will be home by tomorrow night, but this stinks of money talking...poor lass, life ruined by the power and lust of others ..very very sad story :shocked:

[Niamh.]

I think she will be home by tomorrow night, but this stinks of money talking...poor lass, life ruined by the power and lust of others ..very very sad story :shocked:Indeed and I hope you're right that she will get home soon

[Ammi]

...I’ll be thinking about her today and hoping she’s on her way home soon...

[bots]

they can be very headstrong people so I wont be holding my breath for her release

[MTVN]

Four month suspended sentence so she will be coming home asap

[Ammi]

..:love:..I’m so pleased for her and her family...

[Ammi]

...as Kizzy mentioned PTSD earlier...I hope that there is a full support system network in place for her and her family...

[Amy Jade]

This case confuses me so much.

[Cherie]

Probably the only decision they could make, that lets them off without too much egg on its face

Just listening to the background properly now, horrific

[Zizu]

I may have misjudged things completely but I think she’s totally innocent and maybe we will get to know the whole truth now


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[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/cyprus-british-teen-found-guilty-of-lying-about-gang-rape-gets-suspended-sentence-11902723

Yes at least she can get proper medical
help on her return.

[Ammi]

I may have misjudged things completely but I think she’s totally innocent and maybe we will get to know the whole truth now


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...I believe that too...and while our focus has been on what this young lady has gone through, for obvious reasons...?...those she accused, have walked free...this whole thing and how victims of this horrific crime are universally disbelieved, is just so terribly wrong and saddening...the judgement placed on female behaviour and male behaviour, still has a long way to go to meet each other...:sad:..

[Strictly Jake]

So did she lie or not?

[Cherie]

So did she lie or not?

The evidence is pointing to no, she was 'encouraged' to change her statement by the Cypriot police

[arista]

This case confuses me so much.


She agreed to have sex with One Israeli
and his mate.

But Not another group of the fella's
holding her down.
Filmed on their Mobile Phone
and already out there......

The Main Problem
is in Cyprus Police they keep
No Recordings
No written record?
That helps the Police become Corrupt.

[Kazanne]

I am changing my mind on this,I think she is innocent and was pressured ,I hope she gets the help she needs when back home .

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/145AB/production/_110417338_67245fa7-e90c-47b1-b666-c034b6508bb5.jpg

Great the locals and other groups
supported her at Court today

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11FC7/production/_110417637_8a8435f1-9641-4ad8-a35e-6631e947c990.jpg

[Zizu]

...I believe that too...and while our focus has been on what this young lady has gone through, for obvious reasons...?...those she accused, have walked free...this whole thing and how victims of this horrific crime are universally disbelieved, is just so terribly wrong and saddening...the judgement placed on female behaviour and male behaviour, still has a long way to go to meet each other...:sad:..



Isn’t it extremely difficult to get a rape conviction in this country ... guessing it’s virtually impossible abroad ..


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[Zizu]

So did she lie or not?



I think she told the truth ..


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[Niamh.]

Isn’t it extremely difficult to get a rape conviction in this country ... guessing it’s virtually impossible abroad ..


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The Northern Ireland case involving the rugby players, they had a testimony from the cab driver who brought her home saying the girl was bleeding and upset but those guys still got away with it......

[Tom4784]

The way rape cases are handled are completely archaic across the board and it's allowed rape culture to fester around the world. Predators act with impunity when they know the system's weighted in their favour and it's no wonder why a majority of women will experience some form of sexual assault in their lives.

Rape cases and how they are held must change but I doubt they ever will.

[Kizzy]

A 4 month suspended sentence, they are going to appeal it still to have the conviction quashed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cyprus-rape-trial-british-teenager-woman-jail-sentence-ayia-napa-israel-a9273146.html

[Niamh.]

A 4 month suspended sentence, they are going to appeal it still to have the conviction quashed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cyprus-rape-trial-british-teenager-woman-jail-sentence-ayia-napa-israel-a9273146.html

Will she need to go back there to do that?

[user104658]

Probably the only decision they could make, that lets them off without too much egg on its face

Just listening to the background properly now, horrific

I don't think they expected it to blow up in the international press and it's fallen apart under so many eyes... so now they want it to go away ASAP. I don't think the story is over yet, though, now that the media in Israel itself is focussed on the men involved (some of whom it increasingly seems have other dodgy incidents in their past), and groups on Cyprus are using the attention to try to tackle corruption in the system there.

[Niamh.]

She agreed to have sex with One Israeli
and his mate.

But Not another group of the fella's
holding her down.
Filmed on their Mobile Phone
and already out there......

The Main Problem
is in Cyprus Police they keep
No Recordings
No written record?
That helps the Police become Corrupt.

I don't think she agreed to have sex with "his mate" from what I've read she was having a holiday romance (or so she thought) with one of the boys and he was the only one she agreed to have sex with

[Kizzy]

Will she need to go back there to do that?

I don't know.. that would be awful, it might be something they could do in her absence seeing as they have a time line of procedures that weren't followed correctly.
If she does I can't see her doing it, she's been through enough. This does need looking at from the beginning again though so who knows? what a nightmare.

[Niamh.]

I don't know.. that would be awful, it might be something they could do in her absence seeing as they have a time line of procedures that weren't followed correctly.
If she does I can't see her doing it, she's been through enough. This does need looking at from the beginning again though so who knows? what a nightmare.

I'd be terrified to go back in case things go wrong

[Kizzy]

I'd be terrified to go back in case things go wrong
True, but she has an amazing amount of support across the globe so that's great to see and might spur her on?

[Niamh.]

True, but she has an amazing amount of support across the globe so that's great to see and might spur her on?

Oh yes it's fantastic, and more brave women like her are needed to stand up for herself because she's not really just standing up for herself, she's standing up for all girls and women

[Tom4784]

Let's hope that this ordeal leads to a light being shone on Cyprus' legal system and it's corruption. The judge in question apparently has mishandled rape cases before so I'm hoping that, with all the spotlight on this one, there's consequences for him.

[Nicky91]

very confusing case this one

good for the girl she didn't lie and Always told the truth, i Always knew the guys were in the wrong (if not for the rape, then for the filming without consent but now they are for both) also good she can go home


as for the cypriot justice system i won't say anything too much about them, since the last big case before this one they did handle that properly

[Niamh.]

The thing about it is, how likely is it really that any girl (even if she's drunk and I don't know if she was or not) would think oh yeah i would love to have 12 strangers(or 12 non strangers either for that matter) have sex with me? It's not going to be an enjoyable or pleasant experience for her and it's just so highly unlikely that she consented to being passed around and humiliated like a piece of meat. It's so weird that (mostly) men think that this is something that a girl would like or enjoy at the time but then "have regrets" later in the light of day

[bots]

The thing about it is, how likely is it really that any girl (even if she's drunk and I don't know if she was or not) would think oh yeah i would love to have 12 strangers(or 12 non strangers either for that matter) have sex with me? It's not going to be an enjoyable or pleasant experience for her and it's just so highly unlikely that she consented to being passed around and humiliated like a piece of meat. It's so weird that (mostly) men think that this is something that a girl would like or enjoy at the time but then "have regrets" later in the light of day

i don't know any group of normal guys that would line up one after the other to have sex with a girl, particularly if she were drunk. That in itself should be a clue as to the character of the men involved

[Crimson Dynamo]

i don't know any group of normal guys that would line up one after the other to have sex with a girl, particularly if she were drunk. That in itself should be a clue as to the character of the men involved

she was filmed having sex with one I think so how do you or neem know if any others had sex with her?

as i recall 3 had time dated picture evidence that they were not even there at the time?

[Niamh.]

i don't know any group of normal guys that would line up one after the other to have sex with a girl, particularly if she were drunk. That in itself should be a clue as to the character of the men involved

Yeah I hope that's the case too BOTs that most normal guys wouldn't find the idea of doing that appealing but what I mean is how come when it somes to cases like this alot of men and even some women are so quick to jump to the conclusion that the girl must have consented and then later regretted it? I mean it just seems so highly unlikely that she would want to do that, you know?

[Cherie]

I don't think she agreed to have sex with "his mate" from what I've read she was having a holiday romance (or so she thought) with one of the boys and he was the only one she agreed to have sex with

yes as I understand it she was having sex with one of the men who she considered her boyfriend and the rest starting banging on the hotel room door and bragged before hand about having an orgy with the English girl, apparently there is a video circulating as well where they filmed both him and her without consent :umm2:

[arista]

Let's hope that this ordeal leads to a light being shone on Cyprus' legal system and it's corruption. The judge in question apparently has mishandled rape cases before so I'm hoping that, with all the spotlight on this one, there's consequences for him.


Yes "many" who have been in Cyprus
and were on Live LBC telling us
of the Corruption of the Police,

[Niamh.]

she was filmed having sex with one I think so how do you or neem know if any others had sex with her?

as i recall 3 had time dated picture evidence that they were not even there at the time?

As far as I'm aware 3 of them readily admitted to having sex with her

[Cherie]

some of these 'men' are 16 :sad:

[arista]

As far as I'm aware 3 of them readily admitted to having sex with her


Yes they say DNA evidence

[Crimson Dynamo]

As far as I'm aware 3 of them readily admitted to having sex with her

so why did she claim 12 did ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

3 were actually with their gfs at the time as i recall

[Crimson Dynamo]

and she was drunk yes or on drugs. they all were

[Niamh.]

so why did she claim 12 did ?

Because she obviously thinks more than 3 raped her? It's not hard to figure out LT


This is from the first Doctor who saw her after the attack (what motivation would he have to lie? :

Cypriot doctor Sergios Sergiou, who was one of the first people to see the young woman in the moments after the incident, said he felt she was telling the truth, adding that she was so distraught she passed out.

In the early hours of July 17, the teenager was taken to the Santa Marina clinic which is adjacent to the two-star Pambos Napa Rocks hotel where the alleged attack took place.

Her friend had taken her to the doctor when she found her ‘distraught’ and terrified that the ‘Israeli boys were coming for her’ after she managed to escape the room. Dr Sergiou said: ‘She was very stressed and having a panic attack. She was crying and screaming and her friends said to me some guys had raped her.

‘I asked her (what happened) but she did not speak to me. She was crying and she said, “I don’t want men next to me”. When I went to check her and see if she’s okay, she said to me, “go away from me”. That’s when I called the police because at the time it’s not something I could treat.’

Asked if he believed she was attacked, he told Israeli TV: ‘Yes, I thought that something happened. Usually if something is fake they are not calling their parents to inform them. But she was calling her parents.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7850097/How-Israel-turned-12-teenage-boys-accused-sexually-assaulting-British-girl-Cyprus.html

[Kizzy]

so why did she claim 12 did ?

Read the op... there was a group of 12 suspects, not 12 rapists.
What's them potentially being drunk got to do with rape?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because she obviously thinks more than 3 raped her? It's not hard to figure out LT


This is from the first Doctor who saw her after the attack (what motivation would he have to lie? :

Cypriot doctor Sergios Sergiou, who was one of the first people to see the young woman in the moments after the incident, said he felt she was telling the truth, adding that she was so distraught she passed out.

In the early hours of July 17, the teenager was taken to the Santa Marina clinic which is adjacent to the two-star Pambos Napa Rocks hotel where the alleged attack took place.

Her friend had taken her to the doctor when she found her ‘distraught’ and terrified that the ‘Israeli boys were coming for her’ after she managed to escape the room. Dr Sergiou said: ‘She was very stressed and having a panic attack. She was crying and screaming and her friends said to me some guys had raped her.

‘I asked her (what happened) but she did not speak to me. She was crying and she said, “I don’t want men next to me”. When I went to check her and see if she’s okay, she said to me, “go away from me”. That’s when I called the police because at the time it’s not something I could treat.’

Asked if he believed she was attacked, he told Israeli TV: ‘Yes, I thought that something happened. Usually if something is fake they are not calling their parents to inform them. But she was calling her parents.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7850097/How-Israel-turned-12-teenage-boys-accused-sexually-assaulting-British-girl-Cyprus.html

"said he felt she was telling the truth"

im afraid that is just a feeling and another doctor could have felt she was full of BS. There was a report that she has made this accusation in the past and received compensation for it but i have not seen this confirmed since? (it was in the Times of Israel)

[The Slim Reaper]

and she was drunk yes or on drugs. they all were

If this was a family member, would you say these things to her?

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this was a family member, would you say these things to her?

I am reporting from news articles that conformed that she only had a hazy memory of what happened as she was drunk on drugs and accused the boys of all being inebriated.

If it was a famly member I would find out for damn sure who drunk or took what, deffo

[Niamh.]

"said he felt she was telling the truth"

im afraid that is just a feeling and another doctor could have felt she was full of BS. There was a report that she has made this accusation in the past and received compensation for it but i have not seen this confirmed since? (it was in the Times of Israel)

Oh the Times of Israel is it, that wouldn't be a bit biassed considering where the boys were from pfft I'm sure if that had any truth to it it would have been splashed all over the British newspapers too, they love a bit of slut shaming.......

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh the Times of Israel is it, that wouldn't be a bit biassed considering where the boys were from pfft I'm sure if that had any truth to it it would have been splashed all over the British newspapers too, they love a bit of slut shaming.......

not really its a good paper and they have condemned the boys for celebrating etc, they also have investigated the angle about the gas pipeline etc,

I dont think either side comes out of this with much grace and i mean the boys, her or the cypriots

but its a small tourist island and to try and pretend is the UK and if you get into trouble with the law its all going to be just like if it was at home is crazy.