Racist remark shocks small town in US

[Twosugars]

'Keep Marysville white': racist remark by would-be councilor shocks Michigan city
A question about diversity in a candidate’s forum produced a jaw-dropping response from first-time candidate Jean Cramer

For the first hour of the election forum in Marysville, Michigan, on Thursday night the debate between the five candidates for a city council seat dealt with the local subjects you might expect – how to improve Little League fields, new real estate developments and the like.

Then the question came: “Do you believe the diversity of our community needs to be looked at?”

First to answer was Jean Cramer, a local resident running her first political campaign. She replied: “Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible.”

Her response, reported by the Times-Herald newspaper in Port Huron, sent a ripple of laughter and then shock across the hall. Marysville, a small town of 10,000 north-east of Detroit, is 98% white and 0.3% African American.

Cramer’s unalloyed remark was immediately denounced by other Marysville figures. The town’s acting mayor, Kathy Hayman, said: “I don’t even know that I can talk yet, I’m so upset and shocked.”

Hayman added that her father was Syrian. “So basically, what you’ve said is that my father and his family had no business in this community.”

The outgoing mayor, Dan Damman, called Cramer’s comments “as vile as they were jaw-dropping”.

After the forum ended, Cramer doubled down on her racist outburst to the Times Herald.

She insisted she was not “against blacks” but went on to say: “A husband and wife need to be the same race … That’s how it’s been [since] … God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time.”

Paradoxically, of the five candidates in November’s mayoral election, Cramer has the weakest roots within Marysville. The other four were born in the town or have lived there for decades, but as the Times Herald pointed out she only moved to the community within the last 10 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/23/keep-marysville-white-racist-remark-by-would-be-mayor-shocks-michigan-city

America, 2019, ladies and gents.

[Niamh.]

She insisted she was not “against blacks” but went on to say: “A husband and wife need to be the same race … That’s how it’s been [since] … God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time.”

It's like we've travelled back in time. I would love to say this story is shocking but it really isn't anymore. Scary and depressing times

[Liam-]

She’ll probably win lbr

[Ammi]

...I tried to think of something to say...I can’t...she should fit right in with Trump’s American dream, then...

[Niamh.]

She’ll probably win lbr

...I tried to think of something to say...I can’t...she should fit right in with Trump’s American dream, then...

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ce7b711b7e790a54f32001ac581435c8/tenor.gif?itemid=11926917

[Ammi]

...that’s so scary because it’s just not that unthinkable anymore...:sad:...

[Niamh.]

...that’s so scary because it’s just not that unthinkable anymore...:sad:...

I know, I genuinely think, it's what makes The Handmaid's tale so uncomfortable to watch because it's so possible

[Ammi]

I know, I genuinely think, it's what makes The Handmaid's tale so uncomfortable to watch because it's so possible

...yeah it is actually the single reason why I haven’t started to watch it yet, I know there would be some things that would feel quite relatable is society today ...I don’t think the writer figured that when the concept was first there and was meant to be purely fictitious...

[Niamh.]

...yeah it is actually the single reason why I haven’t started to watch it yet, I know there would be some things that would feel quite relatable is society today ...I don’t think the writer figured that when the concept was first there and was meant to be purely fictitious...

Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor :worship:

[Ammi]

Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor :worship:

..I was just reading a bit about the author and her inspiration came from many things through time...which were thought to have been left in time...but the original book was just the first series..?..(...I think...)...so there are probably many things drawn from our current times...sadly...

[Cherie]

Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor :worship:

Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though


as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems :idc:

[Niamh.]

Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though


as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems :idc:I'm only on about episode 9 I think, it will be sad when it ends but at the same time I need

justice for June aarrgh and for her to save her daughters

[Twosugars]

Handmaid's tale was written by Margaret Atwood, strongly recommend her other books. Very original and interesting writer

[Kizzy]

Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though


as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems :idc:

It's common knowledge that blacks were treated deplorably in the past, that's not under discussion here. This refers specifically to how we treat people in the here and now.

[Cherie]

It's common knowledge that blacks were treated deplorably in the past, that's not under discussion here. This refers specifically to how we treat people in the here and now.

okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

[GiRTh]

okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head thoughHow is that relevant to the thread? Are we talking about immigration in this thread or Jean Cramers comments?

[Kizzy]

okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

That's not true look at the constitution, they welcomed immigrants, yet blacks only welcomed as 2nd class citizens. There was no equal playing field as you insinuate with your take on Ellis Island.
Your point didn't whiz over my head, I just don't agree with your take on it.
There is a change now, or there was before mr trump made it fashionable to regress in these redneck backwaters.

[Twosugars]

okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

Are you suggesting it is some sort of time-honoured tradition?

:umm2:

[Cherie]

That's not true look at the constitution, they welcomed immigrants, yet blacks only welcomed as 2nd class citizens. There was no equal playing field as you insinuate with your take on Ellis Island.
Your point didn't whiz over my head, I just don't agree with your take on it.
There is a change now, or there was before mr trump made it fashionable to regress in these redneck backwaters.

They only welcomed fit and healthy immigrants, that’s the point...they didn’t welcome immigrants per se

[Kizzy]

They only welcomed fit and healthy immigrants, that’s the point...they didn’t welcome immigrants per se

There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

[GiRTh]

There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.:thumbs:

[Cherie]

There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

3 to 5 hours Kizzy....and they turned people back, and separated families my point is poor treatment of immigrants didn’t start with the Trump administration

[Cherie]

:thumbs:

Yet you had no issue at all with the parallel being drawn with the hand maids tale? I have commented on the op, just expanded the argument really, not sure what your issue is

If you want me to say..wow that’s awful!.and leave it at that I can do, it seems to be what you want?

[Cherie]

Are you suggesting it is some sort of time-honoured tradition?

:umm2:

Not sure what mental gymnastics were needed to reach that conclusion, but no not saying that at all

[GiRTh]

Yet you had no issue at all with the parallel being drawn with the hand maids tale? I have commented on the op, just expanded the argument really, not sure what your issue is Maybe, you never know, that was posted before I got online and the discussion was done, but please feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. Tell me, how do you come to that conclusion?

If you want me to say..wow that’s awful!.and leave it at that I can do, it seems to be what you want?Say whatever you want and I will comment when I see fit :thumbs:

[Cherie]

Maybe, you never know, that was posted before I got online and the discussion was done, but please feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. Tell me, how do you come to that conclusion?

Say whatever you want and I will comment when I see fit :thumbs:

Great

[Kizzy]

3 to 5 hours Kizzy....and they turned people back, and separated families my point is poor treatment of immigrants didn’t start with the Trump administration

3 to 5 hrs to process 1000s of people, if you maintain some perspective that's not long at all, they were screened for sometimes incurable diseases such as smallpox at the time.
Those being examined were so by docs that spoke their language if posible, were offered the chance to purchase a boxed lunch, and if they were detained for any reason given 3 meals a day for free.
To my mind that is as humane and fair as is possible when dealing with a huge influx of people.
Just remind me why this is relevant to the op again..

[Ammi]

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/marysville-michigan-city-council-racist-comments-soh/index.html


...’if people are coming here to get away from their own country...what they need to do is to go back to their own country and help straighten it out...’...is basically what Trump said to the congresswomen...this is the influence that the President of the USA is having on his country...it’s no coincidence that others are using his language and thinking its acceptable to do so...prejudice must be fine because its what our leader preaches...a terribly hard watch is seeing Kathy Hayman...hearing her voice break as she gets so upset with Jean Cramer basically saying ‘her family is wrong’...:sad:...this is not the ‘law of God’ as Jean seems to think...this is the law of the prejudice of human beings...her words and thoughts are filled with many things but they’re completely absent of God...

[Cherie]

3 to 5 hrs to process 1000s of people, if you maintain some perspective that's not long at all, they were screened for sometimes incurable diseases such as smallpox at the time.
Those being examined were so by docs that spoke their language if posible, were offered the chance to purchase a boxed lunch, and if they were detained for any reason given 3 meals a day for free.
To my mind that is as humane and fair as is possible when dealing with a huge influx of people.
Just remind me why this is relevant to the op again..

do some research Kizzy instead of pulling 'facts' out of thin air

https://www.history.com/news/immigrants-ellis-island-short-processing-time

It varied from person to person, but for 80 percent, the process took a few hours, and then they were out and through,” he says. “But it could also take a couple days, a couple weeks, a couple months or, in some very rare cases, a couple of years.”


There are some harrowing accounts published on the Island itself about families being torn apart because grandparents were too old or to sick. disabled people etc

the land of the free eh?

its as relevant as the comment about the Handmaids Tale but you took no issue with that?

Like I said to Girth, I will leave it at 'wow that's awful' in future …..

[Kizzy]

do some research Kizzy instead of pulling 'facts' out of thin air

https://www.history.com/news/immigrants-ellis-island-short-processing-time

It varied from person to person, but for 80 percent, the process took a few hours, and then they were out and through,” he says. “But it could also take a couple days, a couple weeks, a couple months or, in some very rare cases, a couple of years.”


There are some harrowing accounts published on the Island itself about families being torn apart because grandparents were too old or to sick. disabled people etc

the land of the free eh?

its as relevant as the comment about the Handmaids Tale but you took no issue with that?

Like I said to Girth, I will leave it at 'wow that's awful' in future …..
I got my information from the same source you did cherie, you really do seem to be labouring this point and I'm still at a loss as to how you've linked it to the comments made in maryville...
As I said there would have to be limitations on entry to protect the lives of others that's just common sense, for me the decisions based on health are more acceptable a reason than those based on colour.
Secondly your point seems to only question the health related procedures immigrants undertook, it says nothing of the attitudes towards those arriving does it, therefore again how does it relate?

Like girth I wasn't part of the handmaids tale conversation, I don't watch it so would know the relevance should there be one.

And cherie wow this is awful... it's not 1907 anymore, this isn't an immigration issue, the blacks referred to in the OP won't be immigrants any longer but 3rd 4th generation American, like the congresswoman so maligned by Trump.

This is the division being sown, some just refuse to differentiate between black immigrants and black Americans.
That's partly down to trump so I won't apologise for making thst connection,look at your comment, you made this an immigration issue, why?

The topic relates to black Americans...not immigrants, I hope I've made that clear enough.

[GiRTh]

do some research Kizzy instead of pulling 'facts' out of thin air

https://www.history.com/news/immigrants-ellis-island-short-processing-time

It varied from person to person, but for 80 percent, the process took a few hours, and then they were out and through,” he says. “But it could also take a couple days, a couple weeks, a couple months or, in some very rare cases, a couple of years.”


There are some harrowing accounts published on the Island itself about families being torn apart because grandparents were too old or to sick. disabled people etc

the land of the free eh?

its as relevant as the comment about the Handmaids Tale but you took no issue with that?

Like I said to Girth, I will leave it at 'wow that's awful' in future ….Again with the Handsmaid tales? You were talking about how many episodes you'd seen and one of the characters revenge arc werent you? Not on topic, but also not the same as making a completely irrelevant point about immigration.

[Twosugars]

Not sure what mental gymnastics were needed to reach that conclusion, but no not saying that at all

I struggle to understand what you were trying to say :shrug:
Were you trying to put the current discrimination in perspective bc it used to happen before? I dont get how it makes it acceptable now?
Not to mention that this is not about immigration but people of colour who are citizens of America