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Twosugars · 23-08-2019, 03:26 PM

'Keep Marysville white': racist remark by would-be councilor shocks Michigan city
A question about diversity in a candidate’s forum produced a jaw-dropping response from first-time candidate Jean Cramer

For the first hour of the election forum in Marysville, Michigan, on Thursday night the debate between the five candidates for a city council seat dealt with the local subjects you might expect – how to improve Little League fields, new real estate developments and the like.

Then the question came: “Do you believe the diversity of our community needs to be looked at?”

First to answer was Jean Cramer, a local resident running her first political campaign. She replied: “Keep Marysville a white community as much as possible.”

Her response, reported by the Times-Herald newspaper in Port Huron, sent a ripple of laughter and then shock across the hall. Marysville, a small town of 10,000 north-east of Detroit, is 98% white and 0.3% African American.

Cramer’s unalloyed remark was immediately denounced by other Marysville figures. The town’s acting mayor, Kathy Hayman, said: “I don’t even know that I can talk yet, I’m so upset and shocked.”

Hayman added that her father was Syrian. “So basically, what you’ve said is that my father and his family had no business in this community.”

The outgoing mayor, Dan Damman, called Cramer’s comments “as vile as they were jaw-dropping”.

After the forum ended, Cramer doubled down on her racist outburst to the Times Herald.

She insisted she was not “against blacks” but went on to say: “A husband and wife need to be the same race … That’s how it’s been [since] … God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time.”

Paradoxically, of the five candidates in November’s mayoral election, Cramer has the weakest roots within Marysville. The other four were born in the town or have lived there for decades, but as the Times Herald pointed out she only moved to the community within the last 10 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-michigan-city

America, 2019, ladies and gents.

Niamh. · 23-08-2019, 03:31 PM

She insisted she was not “against blacks” but went on to say: “A husband and wife need to be the same race … That’s how it’s been [since] … God created the heaven and the earth. He created Adam and Eve at the same time.”

It's like we've travelled back in time. I would love to say this story is shocking but it really isn't anymore. Scary and depressing times

Liam- · 23-08-2019, 03:37 PM

She’ll probably win lbr

Ammi · 23-08-2019, 03:37 PM

...I tried to think of something to say...I can’t...she should fit right in with Trump’s American dream, then...

Niamh. · 23-08-2019, 03:40 PM

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She’ll probably win lbr

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...I tried to think of something to say...I can’t...she should fit right in with Trump’s American dream, then...

Ammi · 23-08-2019, 03:43 PM

...that’s so scary because it’s just not that unthinkable anymore...

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Niamh. · 23-08-2019, 03:46 PM

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...that’s so scary because it’s just not that unthinkable anymore...

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I know, I genuinely think, it's what makes The Handmaid's tale so uncomfortable to watch because it's so possible

Ammi · 23-08-2019, 03:52 PM

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I know, I genuinely think, it's what makes The Handmaid's tale so uncomfortable to watch because it's so possible

...yeah it is actually the single reason why I haven’t started to watch it yet, I know there would be some things that would feel quite relatable is society today ...I don’t think the writer figured that when the concept was first there and was meant to be purely fictitious...

Niamh. · 23-08-2019, 03:57 PM

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...yeah it is actually the single reason why I haven’t started to watch it yet, I know there would be some things that would feel quite relatable is society today ...I don’t think the writer figured that when the concept was first there and was meant to be purely fictitious...

Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor

Ammi · 23-08-2019, 04:08 PM

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Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor

..I was just reading a bit about the author and her inspiration came from many things through time...which were thought to have been left in time...but the original book was just the first series..?..(...I think...)...so there are probably many things drawn from our current times...sadly...

Cherie · 23-08-2019, 05:06 PM

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Yeah, I would like to know her thoughts actually, she wrote it in the 80's I think. It is a really good show though. Elizabeth Moss also, is just a phenomenal actor

Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though

as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems

Niamh. · 23-08-2019, 06:21 PM

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Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though

as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems

I'm only on about episode 9 I think, it will be sad when it ends but at the same time I need

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Twosugars · 23-08-2019, 06:52 PM

Handmaid's tale was written by Margaret Atwood, strongly recommend her other books. Very original and interesting writer

Kizzy · 23-08-2019, 08:44 PM

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Its fabulous I think I am on the penultimate episode I dont want it to end as it feels like this might be the last series, I hope not though

as for the OP, just no words really, although if anyone has ever visited Ellis Island and listened to the history of the immigrants who were processed there off the ships, the US always took a tough stance, they only wanted fit and healthy people and often separated families sending back anyone who was deemed unfit, so the American dream was only for the fit and able and white it seems

It's common knowledge that blacks were treated deplorably in the past, that's not under discussion here. This refers specifically to how we treat people in the here and now.

Cherie · 23-08-2019, 09:03 PM

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It's common knowledge that blacks were treated deplorably in the past, that's not under discussion here. This refers specifically to how we treat people in the here and now.

okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

GiRTh · 23-08-2019, 09:16 PM

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okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

How is that relevant to the thread? Are we talking about immigration in this thread or Jean Cramers comments?

Kizzy · 23-08-2019, 09:17 PM

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okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

That's not true look at the constitution, they welcomed immigrants, yet blacks only welcomed as 2nd class citizens. There was no equal playing field as you insinuate with your take on Ellis Island.
Your point didn't whiz over my head, I just don't agree with your take on it.
There is a change now, or there was before mr trump made it fashionable to regress in these redneck backwaters.

Twosugars · 23-08-2019, 09:29 PM

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okay, my point is, through history immigrants (not just blacks) have been treated badly in the US so no change now, the point obviously whizzed straight over your head though

Are you suggesting it is some sort of time-honoured tradition?

Cherie · 23-08-2019, 09:59 PM

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That's not true look at the constitution, they welcomed immigrants, yet blacks only welcomed as 2nd class citizens. There was no equal playing field as you insinuate with your take on Ellis Island.
Your point didn't whiz over my head, I just don't agree with your take on it.
There is a change now, or there was before mr trump made it fashionable to regress in these redneck backwaters.

They only welcomed fit and healthy immigrants, that’s the point...they didn’t welcome immigrants per se

Kizzy · 23-08-2019, 10:16 PM

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They only welcomed fit and healthy immigrants, that’s the point...they didn’t welcome immigrants per se

There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

GiRTh · 23-08-2019, 10:18 PM

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There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

Cherie · 24-08-2019, 02:08 AM

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There were very quick checks for very obvious signs of disease... I dont see the relevance to this issue cherie sorry.

3 to 5 hours Kizzy....and they turned people back, and separated families my point is poor treatment of immigrants didn’t start with the Trump administration

Cherie · 24-08-2019, 02:14 AM

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Yet you had no issue at all with the parallel being drawn with the hand maids tale? I have commented on the op, just expanded the argument really, not sure what your issue is

If you want me to say..wow that’s awful!.and leave it at that I can do, it seems to be what you want?

Cherie · 24-08-2019, 02:17 AM

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Are you suggesting it is some sort of time-honoured tradition?

Not sure what mental gymnastics were needed to reach that conclusion, but no not saying that at all

GiRTh · 24-08-2019, 02:25 AM

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Yet you had no issue at all with the parallel being drawn with the hand maids tale? I have commented on the op, just expanded the argument really, not sure what your issue is

Maybe, you never know, that was posted before I got online and the discussion was done, but please feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. Tell me, how do you come to that conclusion?

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If you want me to say..wow that’s awful!.and leave it at that I can do, it seems to be what you want?

Say whatever you want and I will comment when I see fit