Rise of the Nazi's

[The Slim Reaper]

Interesting series started on BBC last night, about the rise of the Nazi's into power and how a democracy can move into authoritarianism within a short period of time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m00084td/rise-of-the-nazis

[arista]

Can a Good Mod please put
this thread in the TV Section

Or Admin , if they have time

[The Slim Reaper]

It's a topic for debate as well as to watch. A good mod will know it needs to stay where it is.


PS Hitler was a celebrity.

[arista]

Its a TV Series on BBC2HD

You are Wrong

[Nicky91]

i agree with Slim, since basically it can relate back to some of today's extreme far right groups

greeks golden dawn party are nazi's, they are out of parliament there but that isn't stopping them in their desire to expand globally, so they should still be watched carefully and be stopped from growing bigger, they are murderers, proof = anyone who is against them will be murdered by them, one greek rapper against the far right got shot dead by some of golden dawn's members

they want to expand globally, well these thugs you don't want in your country

so yeah i call their story also ''rise of the nazi's''

[Mystic Mock]

It is interesting to see how much more right wing this country has become within a space of a few years.

I'm not saying that all right wing people are Nazi's obviously, but it does appear like a lot of people in Parliament and in society in general are trying to push the bounds of how extremely right wing they can go before hitting the Nazi category.

I honestly don't think all hope is lost yet though, I'm hoping that the right wing of this country (our leaders at the moment) will see sense and learn to become more moderate again, rather than trying to be like Trump, Putin, or worse... Hitler.

[Niamh.]

Can a Good Mod please put
this thread in the TV Section

Or Admin , if they have time

I think it's also a topic of debate, it can stay

[The Slim Reaper]

I think it's also a topic of debate, it can stay


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[Beso]

Lol.

So what's the debate here? The programme or the rise of nazism in the 20's and 30s?

[The Slim Reaper]

It is interesting to see how much more right wing this country has become within a space of a few years.

I'm not saying that all right wing people are Nazi's obviously, but it does appear like a lot of people in Parliament and in society in general are trying to push the bounds of how extremely right wing they can go before hitting the Nazi category.

I honestly don't think all hope is lost yet though, I'm hoping that the right wing of this country (our leaders at the moment) will see sense and learn to become more moderate again, rather than trying to be like Trump, Putin, or worse... Hitler.

I agree with pretty much all of that apart from the hope that the rw leaders will see sense. Unfortunately, the conservatives have put themselves in an extreme position, and their support (not all, but an increasing chunk) is actually dependent on that section, emboldening the far right even further.

There is a westminster rally on Sat by a far right football supporters group and they were advertising it on twitter earlier as showing their support for Boris and the queen.

[Oliver_W]

Lol.

So what's the debate here? The programme or the rise of nazism in the 20's and 30s?

"Trump is a literal nazi", or something...

[The Slim Reaper]

Lol.

So what's the debate here? The programme or the rise of nazism in the 20's and 30s?

It's not either or, parm. Maybe you could watch it later and let us know your thoughts?

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with pretty much all of that apart from the hope that the rw leaders will see sense. Unfortunately, the conservatives have put themselves in an extreme position, and their support (not all, but an increasing chunk) is actually dependent on that section, emboldening the far right even further.

There is a westminster rally on Sat by a far right football supporters group and they were advertising it on twitter earlier as showing their support for Boris and the queen.

Well if that's the case, then we have to hope that the general public will swing towards Labour and get the Conservatives out of office if they can't afford to do their jobs properly.

I know that Corbyn will be a problem for a lot of people though.

[Oliver_W]

There is a westminster rally on Sat by a far right football supporters group and they were advertising it on twitter earlier as showing their support for Boris and the queen.

How does supporting the Prime Minister and the Queen mean someone is "far right"? Boris isn't, and she's apolitical.

You might want to expand on this story.

[arista]

Lol.

So what's the debate here? The programme or the rise of nazism in the 20's and 30s?


Yes a new BBC2HD history series
nothing to do with 2019

[Beso]

It's not either or, parm. Maybe you could watch it later and let us now your thoughts?

I watched it last night.

[Twosugars]

I think that now when most people who remembered the consequences of far right getting into power are dead theres a serious danger of repeating the whole thing.
The far right of today has the potential. And we see that some individuals are happy spouting nazi-like themes and narratives

[The Slim Reaper]

How does supporting the Prime Minister and the Queen mean someone is "far right"? Boris isn't, and she's apolitical.

You might want to expand on this story.

It doesn't, but the rally is organised by a far right football supporters group. You misunderstood what I meant; my opinion is that far right and right are becoming so inextricably linked that it's difficult to see daylight between them. When have you ever seen the far right promoting and supporting generic conservatives in the past? Now they are campaigning to support them.

[Mystic Mock]

How does supporting the Prime Minister and the Queen mean someone is "far right"? Boris isn't, and she's apolitical.

You might want to expand on this story.

I think the group must have a far right history, more than the Tweet itself being far right.

Although I would call Boris a dictator after his move against Parliament. Going onto a separate issue of course.

[arista]

I think the group must have a far right history, more than the Tweet itself being far right.

Although I would call Boris a dictator after his move against Parliament. Going onto a separate issue of course.

He is the PM/



This TV Series BBC2HD
is about EVIL HITLER
He was killing loads
no one could stop him at first.

Nothing to do with Parliament UK 2019

[Oliver_W]

When have you ever seen the far right promoting and supporting generic conservatives in the past? Now they are campaigning to support them.

I don't know if they have, I ignore idiots like them when they're not being discussed.

[Twosugars]

He is the PM/



This TV Series BBC2HD
is about EVIL HITLER
He was killing loads
no one could stop him at first.

Nothing to do with Parliament UK 2019

He wasnt considered evil to start with though was he.
British prime minister Neville Chamberlain cut a deal with him didn't he. He sold Czechoslovakia to him for a promise of peace. Not the finest moment was it.

[Twosugars]

I don't know if they have, I ignore idiots like them when they're not being discussed.

You carry on ignoring far right.
But some of us will not. Not while the far right got a foothold in governments around europe and america

[Nicky91]

He wasnt considered evil to start with though was he.
British prime minister Neville Chamberlain cut a deal with him didn't he. He sold Czechoslovakia to him for a promise of peace. Not the finest moment was it.

same ''promise of peace'' the sovjets thought if they had poland in half with the nazi's, but Hitler wanted it all and that is hitler's biggest mistake because that was the turning point of sovjets joining the allied forces more or less against nazi's

if he left sovjets alone, we would've had a different story, perhaps outcome of WW2, so we're Lucky that Hitler became cocky, was too power hungry and stupid

[arista]

He wasnt considered evil to start with though was he.
British prime minister Neville Chamberlain cut a deal with him didn't he. He sold Czechoslovakia to him for a promise of peace. Not the finest moment was it.



Chamberlain trusted Hitler
making him the worst ever UK PM.

He was Evil at the start
murdering in secret

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't really want this thread to turn into a uk far right thread as we already have enough of those to be going on with. I was more interested in the use of government machinations to firstly gain power and then use it against sections of the people.

As this was only episode 1, then it will probably move into different areas after a couple more episodes anyway.

[Oliver_W]

You carry on ignoring far right.
But some of us will not. Not while the far right got a foothold in governments around europe and america

But none of the western world leaders are far right.

[The Slim Reaper]

But none of the western world leaders are far right.

Trump, Salvini, and Bolsanaro say hi.

[arista]

Don't really want this thread to turn into a uk far right thread as we already have enough of those to be going on with. I was more interested in the use of government machinations to firstly gain power and then use it against sections of the people.

As this was only episode 1, then it will probably move into different areas after a couple more episodes anyway.


Yes I have recorded it
to watch later.
Its TV series about Nazi Germany
nothing to do with 2019 UK

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes I have recorded it
to watch later.
Its TV series about Nazi Germany
nothing to do with 2019 UK

Lets not pretend that history has nothing to teach us though.

I know you'd rather sweep what's going on in the uk in 2019 under the carpet, but it's not that simple.

[Alf]

But none of the western world leaders are far right.Don't spoil their hopes and dreams.

It's only these fantasies that keep them going.

[Tom4784]

Honestly, a lot of the rhetoric of today's world is similar to that which was common during the time of the Nazi's rise and the appeasement of Germany.

'Concentration camps aren't death camps, the Nazis aren't killing anyone yet.'
'The US's immigration camps are not concentration camps, they aren't killing anyone yet.'

The dehumanisation of immigrants is so ****ing similar to what Jews went through that it's scary how close we are to history repeating itself.

[The Slim Reaper]

Don't spoil their hopes and dreams.

It's only these fantasies that keep them going.

I then named 3 without thinking.

Neither a hope, nor a dream.

[Tom4784]

Bolsonero and Trump for a start.

[Twosugars]

Don't spoil their hopes and dreams.

It's only these fantasies that keep them going.

You distraction technique doesnt work

[Twosugars]

But none of the western world leaders are far right.

:laugh: that's a good one

None of them sports a toothbrush moustache, I give you that

[Twosugars]

same ''promise of peace'' the sovjets thought if they had poland in half with the nazi's, but Hitler wanted it all and that is hitler's biggest mistake because that was the turning point of sovjets joining the allied forces more or less against nazi's

if he left sovjets alone, we would've had a different story, perhaps outcome of WW2, so we're Lucky that Hitler became cocky, was too power hungry and stupid

Absolutely Nicky.

Hitler was greedy and that was his downfall. Had he stopped at Czechoslovakia, Poland and Austria things could have turned out very different.

[Alf]

Honestly, a lot of the rhetoric of today's world is similar to that which was common during the time of the Nazi's rise and the appeasement of Germany.

'Concentration camps aren't death camps, the Nazis aren't killing anyone yet.'
'The US's immigration camps are not concentration camps, they aren't killing anyone yet.'

The dehumanisation of immigrants is so ****ing similar to what Jews went through that it's scary how close we are to history repeating itself.You forgot the bit where the Nazis took away the citizens guns. That's quite key, because without their guns, the people couldn't defend themselves against authoritarianism.

Which side of the gun debate are you on again?

[arista]

Honestly, a lot of the rhetoric of today's world is similar to that which was common during the time of the Nazi's rise and the appeasement of Germany.

'Concentration camps aren't death camps, the Nazis aren't killing anyone yet.'
'The US's immigration camps are not concentration camps, they aren't killing anyone yet.'

The dehumanisation of immigrants is so ****ing similar to what Jews went through that it's scary how close we are to history repeating itself.


No Way Dezzy.

[The Slim Reaper]

You forgot the bit where the Nazis took away the citizens guns. That's quite key, because without their guns, the people couldn't defend themselves against authoritarianism.

Which side of the gun debate are you on again?

I'm glad you brought this up, because now I know you're a Shapiro supporter. It's not actually true, either, but I don't want to shatter your hopes and dreams.

[Twosugars]

You forgot the bit where the Nazis took away the citizens guns. That's quite key, because without their guns, the people couldn't defend themselves against authoritarianism.

Which side of the gun debate are you on again?

Bc that would have made all the difference :laugh:

The nazis, like the far right today, try to capture minds first of all. Insidious propaganda and scapegoating of immigrants. All too familiar.
Some here already compare immigrant children to Jon Venables dont they Alfred

[Alf]

I'm glad you brought this up, because now I know you're a Shapiro supporter. It's not actually true, either, but I don't want to shatter your hopes and dreams.Shatter away. I'm a big boy.

[arista]

Lets not pretend that history has nothing to teach us though.

I know you'd rather sweep what's going on in the uk in 2019 under the carpet, but it's not that simple.


History can teach us for sure
But Hitler
is Nothing like UK Politics today.

You are wrong
I made a thread about Trump stopping
a Inspection system
and sadly a fella died from Paint
that had a previous banned substance in it.



I never sweep under the carpet

[Alf]

Bc that would have made all the difference :laugh:

The nazis, like the far right today, try to capture minds first of all. Insidious propaganda and scapegoating of immigrants. All too familiar.
Some here already compare immigrant children to Jon Venables dont they AlfredMy point of bringing up Venables and Thompson was because everyone was having a go at Arista, telling him to have a heart and think of the children. You've read too much into it, not my fault.

[The Slim Reaper]

Shatter away. I'm a big boy.

Nothing more for me to add, It's just not true. You can look it up yourself if you're interested.

[Twosugars]

My point of bringing up Venables and Thompson was because everyone was having a go at Arista, telling him to have a heart and think of the children. You've read too much into it, not my fault.

Whichever way you paint it what you did there was wrong

[Alf]

Whichever way you paint it what you did there was wrongSay's the authority.

[The Slim Reaper]

History can teach us for sure
But Hitler
is Nothing like UK Politics today.

You are wrong
I made a thread about Trump stopping
a Inspection system
and sadly a fella died from Paint
that had a previous banned substance in it.



I never sweep under the carpet

I didn't say Hitler was relevant to the UK today; infact you even quoted my post saying I didn't want this to turn into a UK far right thread. Neither does Trumps paint regulations have anything to do with 2019 uk politics.

[arista]

I didn't say Hitler was relevant to the UK today; infact you even quoted my post saying I didn't want this to turn into a UK far right thread. Neither does Trumps paint regulations have anything to do with 2019 uk politics.


Of Course its nothing to do with this TV Series thread
but its telling you
I do not sweep under the carpet

[Alf]

Ben Shapiro fan though. I'm definitely not one of them.

Granted, I do sometimes and have watched him and what he has to say, but by the sounds of it, so have you. But a supporter? I don't think so.

I most certainly laughed at him as Andrew Neil ripped him a new one.

[The Slim Reaper]

Of Course its nothing to do with this TV Series thread
but its telling you
I do not sweep under the carpet

How about you show me rather than tell me from here on out?

[Tom4784]

You forgot the bit where the Nazis took away the citizens guns. That's quite key, because without their guns, the people couldn't defend themselves against authoritarianism.

Which side of the gun debate are you on again?

That kind of pro-gun bull**** is ridiculous. Citizens, regardless of the guns laws, can't feasibly fight off a military that has missiles, tanks and other assault vehicles and technology.

That unrealistic second amendment defense hasn't been applicable since the height of military technology was a godamn cannon.

As it's already been said though, it's wrong. You're just sipping the cool aid of people telling you what to think at this point.

[Alf]

That kind of pro-gun bull**** is ridiculous. Citizens, regardless of the guns laws, can't feasibly fight off a military that has missiles, tanks and other assault vehicles and technology.

That unrealistic second amendment defense hasn't been applicable since the height of military technology was a godamn cannon.

As it's already been said though, it's wrong. You're just sipping the cool aid of people telling you what to think at this point.Then speak your words oh wise one, and let me take the path that you send me on.

What is the meaning of life?

[Tom4784]

Then speak your words oh wise one, and let me take the path that you send me on.

What is the meaning of life?

So you have nothing to add, as expected.

[Alf]

So you have nothing to add, as expected.No, you win.

Very well done.

[Beso]

Nazis are bad..

But right wing today is nothing like the nazis of recent history.

[Kizzy]

I think our govt is toying with neo fascism, I've said for a while thst what brexit is about and the fixation on a no deal Brexit just confirmed it imo.

[The Slim Reaper]

Nazis are bad..

But right wing today is nothing like the nazis of recent history.

Prior to the last 4/5 years I'd have agreed with you completely. There has always been a far right presence, but they weren't in any way linked with modern day conservatism. However, in the last few years, we've seen Ukip force the conservatives to push a national referendum, we see concentration camps in the US, we've seen people on these very forums (who I woldn't consider Nazi's) talk about immigrants and refugees by using the very same terms used by the far right, and one member specifically talking about how the "re-education" camps in china were a good thing, and these are just a few examples. All of those things would have been unconscionable up until the last few years.

What people struggle to accept, is that Nazism wasn't day 1 - kill all the jews. In fact, there were arguments being made by jews at the time, that the Nazi's were only rhetoric and now that they'd got power they'd have to govern properly. These things creep, because if you told people of your plans from the off, then a majority of the people would be instantly turned off, so this incessant messaging about foreigners, others etc is all used as a way to condition.

Richard Littlejohn is the highest paid news columnist in the country, and he wrote one of the most Orwellian pieces after BJ pulled his prorogation stunt; he said he knew BJ was lying to the people, and he was glad he was doing it. Good, honest, hardworking people are just as susceptible to anyone as being brainwashed. We see highly educated people that know better joining religious cults, and yet people struggle often refuse to accept what is happening to themselves, and the hardening of their own beliefs towards other human beings.