View Full Version : Should the Queen be impartial in Scottish independence referendum?
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 03:13 PM
Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, has implied the Queen should refuse to be drawn into a future vote on Scottish independence after David Cameron admitted he asked the monarch to intervene in 2014.
The Guardian
Thoughts?
Yes, she should be impartial. If Scotland break away from England it is a political separation, the queen would still be queen of Scotland as she is now
No! She should put her foot down with a firm hand.
Tom4784
19-09-2019, 03:40 PM
She's retained impartiality in everything else and she should remain impartial here.
Niamh.
19-09-2019, 03:42 PM
No! She should put her foot down with a firm hand.
She's probably not that flexible anymore
joeysteele
19-09-2019, 03:42 PM
Yes she should remain impartial.
I'm sure however she would be sad to see the break up of the United Kingdom and of course Great Britain too.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 03:49 PM
Yes she should stay out of it
smudgie
19-09-2019, 04:59 PM
Yes.
arista
19-09-2019, 05:00 PM
No Cameron the Sneak
lets that out tonight 9PM BBC1HD The Cameron Years.
To Help Sell HIS book
The Queen will no longer get involved.
after this bad leak
Thing is she is the head of state so in some ways it would be odd for the head of state to be neutral on the issue of splitting their nation up..
I think she did exactly the right thing in the last referendum by hinting that she wanted Scotland to stay without explicitly stating anything
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 07:13 PM
Thing is she is the head of state so in some ways it would be odd for the head of state to be neutral on the issue of splitting their nation up..
I think she did exactly the right thing in the last referendum by hinting that she wanted Scotland to stay without explicitly stating anything
Nobody is splitting the nation. Scots are not English.
She will remain queen of Scotland.
Niamh.
19-09-2019, 07:21 PM
Nobody is splitting the nation. Scots are not English.
She will remain queen of Scotland.Would she? She didn't remain our queen when we became a Republic
Nobody is splitting the nation. Scots are not English.
She will remain queen of Scotland.
The nation is the UK not England - obviously Scottish independence splits it
Would she? She didn't remain our queen when we became a Republic
Yeah the Scottish independence campaign always said the Queen would still be head of state. I don't think there's any issue as such with the monarchy in Scotland with most people as they always had one and it was a Scottish king who first united England and Scotland so that predates the UK as it is now
The nation is the UK not England - obviously Scottish independence splits it
The queen is not queen of the uk, she is queen of england, scotland etc, therefore she has no stake in the game
The queen is not queen of the uk, she is queen of england, scotland etc, therefore she has no stake in the game
Umm I'm afraid I don't think that's true at all. The UK is a nation - England and Scotland are only constituent countries within that nation. There is no such thing as the 'Queen of England' anymore.
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 07:58 PM
The nation is the UK not England - obviously Scottish independence splits it
Disagree. UK is an union of nations.
Niamh.
19-09-2019, 07:59 PM
Yeah the Scottish independence campaign always said the Queen would still be head of state. I don't think there's any issue as such with the monarchy in Scotland with most people as they always had one and it was a Scottish king who first united England and Scotland so that predates the UK as it is nowThanks [emoji106]
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 08:02 PM
Umm I'm afraid I don't think that's true at all. The UK is a nation - England and Scotland are only constituent countries within that nation. There is no such thing as the 'Queen of England' anymore.
Are you sure?
At the opening ceremony of the devolved Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh in 1999, attended by the Queen, the Presiding Officer Lord Steel said at the close of his opening address: "It is good that today, once again, we the elected representatives of the people are able to welcome your majesty, not only as Queen of the United Kingdom, but seated as you are among us, to greet you in the historic and constitutionally correct manner, with warmth and affection, as Queen of Scots."
Wikipedia
Umm I'm afraid I don't think that's true at all. The UK is a nation - England and Scotland are only constituent countries within that nation. There is no such thing as the 'Queen of England' anymore.
i admit that your statement has some merit :laugh:
Are you sure?
At the opening ceremony of the devolved Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh in 1999, attended by the Queen, the Presiding Officer Lord Steel said at the close of his opening address: "It is good that today, once again, we the elected representatives of the people are able to welcome your majesty, not only as Queen of the United Kingdom, but seated as you are among us, to greet you in the historic and constitutionally correct manner, with warmth and affection, as Queen of Scots."
Wikipedia
Well she is Queen of Scots by virtue of being Queen of the UK but that just sounds like ceremonial language anyway really tbh. We are a union of historic countries but the UK is the nation that the Queen is officially the head of
joeysteele
19-09-2019, 08:40 PM
I understand Her Majesty's title is.
Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and other Commonwealth Countries.
I can't see her not wanting to be, still Queen of Scotland if Scotland voted for independence.
I think they'd want her to be so too.
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 08:41 PM
Well she is Queen of Scots by virtue of being Queen of the UK but that just sounds like ceremonial language anyway really tbh. We are a union of historic countries but the UK is the nation that the Queen is officially the head of
Nation means nationality ie english, scottish, welsh and irish
Nation means nationality ie english, scottish, welsh and irish
Feel like you're kinda deliberately making a different argument here. Yeah some might like England or Scotland to be their own nations and choose to identify as English or Scottish but it's a fact of international law that the UK is the actual country, the Queen is the head of state of that country and British is the official nationality
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 09:19 PM
Feel like you're kinda deliberately making a different argument here. Yeah some might like England or Scotland to be their own nations and choose to identify as English or Scottish but it's a fact of international law that the UK is the actual country, the Queen is the head of state of that country and British is the official nationality
:hmph:
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 10:01 PM
:p
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