Farage calls for violence against civil service

[Twosugars]

Police are looking into remarks made by Nigel Farage at a rally in which he told the crowd: “Once Brexit is done, we will take the knife to the pen-pushers in Whitehall.”

Gwent police said they were investigating the comments made by the Brexit party leader during the event at the Neon in Newport last weekend.

The comments, made to an audience of about 500 people, were reported to the force by several people on Twitter.

In response, Gwent police said: “Thank you for your message. We have been made aware of comments made last night in Newport and we are looking into these allegations. Thanks.”

The Alliance party MEP, Naomi Long, had asked police on Twitter if they would be investigating “this clear case of incitement to violence against staff in the civil service”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/police-investigate-nigel-farage-knife-comments

[Tom4784]

Cue the Nigel supporters making out that it's a joke who would be up in arms about the same comment if it was made by someone they dislike.

It's a dumb statement and one he's purposefully chose to word that way. He's fully on board with making out people who oppose him as 'traitors' and 'enemies'.

We are heading towards another Jo Cox situation and it'll be statements like these that fan the flames for extremists.

[user104658]

I mean... it's fairly obvious that he's speaking metaphorically and means "cutting the strings". Then again, he's speaking to an audience that probably doesn't know what a metaphor is so it will certainly have been TAKEN by some of them as an incitement to literal violence.

Pretending that it was a literal statement is a bit disingenuous though.

[bots]

See, i don't think anyone should use language like that, and that includes Jess Phillips. However, the only people that it would incite to do something would be those that are already violent within the community. It doesn't make me think, oh i will need to go out and knife someone today.

[user104658]

See, i don't think anyone should use language like that, and that includes Jess Phillips. However, the only people that it would incite to do something would be those that are already violent within the community. It doesn't make me think, oh i will need to go out and knife someone today.

True, you can't (easily) turn a non-violent individual to violence with a few words, it takes years of indoctrination. But you can trigger an individual already predisposed to violence to take action, or direct their violence in a specific direction, so public figures do need to be careful.

And to be honest, I suspect that some individuals ARE starting to "fall to the extremes" regarding Brexit. It *has* been a constant drip feed for years at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are people out there now willing to commit violent acts who wouldn't have dreamt of it 3 years ago.

[Tom4784]

See, i don't think anyone should use language like that, and that includes Jess Phillips. However, the only people that it would incite to do something would be those that are already violent within the community. It doesn't make me think, oh i will need to go out and knife someone today.

The problem is that those violent people are becoming more empowered by the day by people like Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and the orange toad across the pond. It's no coincidence that Right Wing Terrorism is rapidly becoming the most frequent form of terrorism in the west when our leaders are engaging in this sort of behaviour.

People aren't becoming more violent, it's just that the already violent people are becoming emboldened.

[bots]

They are being empowered by everyone in the HoC, who have been playing games for the last 3 years. To single out individuls is wrong in my opinion when the whole rabble have been at it constantly for 3 years.

People are not motivated by language alone, they are motivated by blatant displays of aggression and there has been plenty of that on display in the HoC.

People say MP's have never been in such danger before, but neither have we had a HoC that have been constantly at each others throats for years either.

The whole sorry debacle has no place in a civilised society.

[user104658]

They are being empowered by everyone in the HoC, who have been playing games for the last 3 years. To single out individuls is wrong in my opinion when the whole rabble have been at it constantly for 3 years.

People are not motivated by language alone, they are motivated by blatant displays of aggression and there has been plenty of that on display in the HoC.

People say MP's have never been in such danger before, but neither have we had a HoC that have been constantly at each others throats for years either.

The whole sorry debacle has no place in a civilised society.

Let's face it they've always been playing games. They're just increasingly juvenile games.

[arista]

Police are looking into remarks made by Nigel Farage at a rally in which he told the crowd: “Once Brexit is done, we will take the knife to the pen-pushers in Whitehall.”

Gwent police said they were investigating the comments made by the Brexit party leader during the event at the Neon in Newport last weekend.

The comments, made to an audience of about 500 people, were reported to the force by several people on Twitter.

In response, Gwent police said: “Thank you for your message. We have been made aware of comments made last night in Newport and we are looking into these allegations. Thanks.”

The Alliance party MEP, Naomi Long, had asked police on Twitter if they would be investigating “this clear case of incitement to violence against staff in the civil service”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/police-investigate-nigel-farage-knife-comments


What a load of Rubbish

[bots]

I think MP's should write their speeches before hand and then have the transcripts read out by civil servants. Take all the emotion out of them, and see who then gives a **** what is said in the HoC

[Twosugars]

What a load of Rubbish

Agree. He does talk unbelievable crap

[Twosugars]

But someone somewherexwill read those words and take them literally
Only yesterday I posted about two examples

A woman got a brick with traitor written on it for having anti brexit poster in her window

A soldier tweeted to a labour remain mp that brexiters will have her blood in the coming civil war

[arista]

But someone somewherexwill read those words and take them literally
Only yesterday I posted about two examples

A woman got a brick with traitor written on it for having anti brexit poster in her window

A soldier tweeted to a labour remain mp that brexiters will have her blood in the coming civil war


If that's true
that is very wrong

[arista]

Cue the Nigel supporters making out that it's a joke who would be up in arms about the same comment if it was made by someone they dislike.

It's a dumb statement and one he's purposefully chose to word that way. He's fully on board with making out people who oppose him as 'traitors' and 'enemies'.

We are heading towards another Jo Cox situation and it'll be statements like these that fan the flames for extremists.

Yes could be
It is Not on any TV news , yet

[arista]

It was Just on LBC
they said he has tweeted he should of said a AXE
draws more blood.....................

[Kazanne]

I mean... it's fairly obvious that he's speaking metaphorically and means "cutting the strings". Then again, he's speaking to an audience that probably doesn't know what a metaphor is so it will certainly have been TAKEN by some of them as an incitement to literal violence.

Pretending that it was a literal statement is a bit disingenuous though.

Are you saying his supporters are thick ?

[Vicky.]

Title is very misleading here, doesn't appear he did any such thing to me at all.

[arista]

Title is very misleading here, doesn't appear he did any such thing to me at all.


Yes its typical of that Poster

[Kazanne]

Good God,I think most sane people realise what he was on about.

[Twosugars]

Title is very misleading here, doesn't appear he did any such thing to me at all.

Yes its typical of that Poster

The Alliance party MEP, Naomi Long, had asked police on Twitter if they would be investigating “this clear case of incitement to violence against staff in the civil service”.
The Guardian

I'm not the only one who took it literally

He should learn to use his words carefully

[arista]

He should learn to use his words carefully

That's like telling Trump to behave



Its a Joke
Like he Updated it
to a Axe.

[arista]

https://www.rei.com/media/fe9b9558-e856-4e38-a7ab-580903043c7a?size=784x588

[Twosugars]

:rolleyes:

[Twosugars]

I mean... it's fairly obvious that he's speaking metaphorically and means "cutting the strings". Then again, he's speaking to an audience that probably doesn't know what a metaphor is so it will certainly have been TAKEN by some of them as an incitement to literal violence.

Pretending that it was a literal statement is a bit disingenuous though.

Well now apparently it meant "reducing"


He is a nasty, pompous and lying arse

[Tom4784]

They are being empowered by everyone in the HoC, who have been playing games for the last 3 years. To single out individuls is wrong in my opinion when the whole rabble have been at it constantly for 3 years.

People are not motivated by language alone, they are motivated by blatant displays of aggression and there has been plenty of that on display in the HoC.

People say MP's have never been in such danger before, but neither have we had a HoC that have been constantly at each others throats for years either.

The whole sorry debacle has no place in a civilised society.

That's a centrist take on it and like all centrist takes, it's in favour of one side more than the other because, instead of criticising the right for constantly engaging in antics that empower extremists, you're making out that taking a stand against that sort of thing is also a contributing factor. You're basically saying that opposition has a large part in creating extremists which in essence is suggesting that no one can oppose anything because rampant false equivalency means that taking a stance against Boris' words, for example, is just as bad as Boris saying those things. Whether that's your intent or not, you're basically pulling for Boris' opposition to stop opposing him.

Centrism is a noble political leaning in theory but in practice it's just endless false equivalency and rather pointless exclamations that 'everyone is as bad as each other' when it's simply not the case.

[arista]

"Nigel Farage: No police action over 'take the knife' comments"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49865706



It Just a JOKE

[joeysteele]

Well now apparently it meant "reducing"


He is a nasty, pompous and lying arse

He's a very dangerously divisive politician.
In a really bad way.

The majority of politicians have elements of divisiveness but it can be healthy division, such as on policy.

Farage knows what he's saying and knows how controversial and damagingly divisive he wants to be too.

I don't see any redeeming qualities in him whatsoever.

[Kizzy]

Who's we anyway?..... since when did farage have any power whatsoever to cut or axe anything?
If he gets a government position post brexit as an unelected body won't that make him.....a civil servant? :/

[Twosugars]

Who's we anyway?..... since when did farage have any power whatsoever to cut or axe anything?
If he gets a government position post brexit as an unelected body won't that make him.....a civil servant? :/

He's dreaming of a coalition with cons.
I mean anything is possible but I do hope providence saves us from this worst possible scenario

[Kizzy]

He's dreaming of a coalition with cons.
I mean anything is possible but I do hope providence saves us from this worst possible scenario

I have a suspicion Boris has already hinted at this :/

[Oliver_W]

lol I doubt anyone actually thinks he was being literal, they just want him punished.

That said, he should choose his words more carefully, there are nutters out there.

[arista]

Farage was just Live in The Westminster Studio
talking to Sophie Ridge (Inside the Conservative Conference)
on SkyNewsHD
And Farage again updated his Joke
to a AXE

[Ammi]

...it wasn’t a joke, it was a term he used in explaining something his way..knife, axe...taking up a rifle ..?...these are all terms he’s used which relate to weapons and violence...terms do not have to have this vein about them to explain any situation...there are many terms that can be used which have no reference to violence...I mean this is the politician who has been shocked with milkshake attacks...so he should know the importance of these things more than anyone...of things that could incite...

[Oliver_W]

"Taking the axe" to something is a turn of phrase, despite the strong imagery it clearly means to "trim the fat", and misunderstandings are wilfull and/or influenced by a dislike of Farage himself.

[Ammi]

..the point that is being made with our politicians atm...(..regardless of where political leanings may lie..)...is that words can incite whether intended or not...and words carry weight ...so to choose more wisely in their phrases, which don’t have to relate to weaponry or violence at all...as you said yourself, Oliver...words need to be chosen more carefully, there are ‘nutters’ out there...these are not private, living room type conversations...

[joeysteele]

..the point that is being made with our politicians atm...(..regardless of where political leanings may lie..)...is that words can incite whether intended or not...and words carry weight ...so to choose more wisely in their phrases, which don’t have to relate to weaponry or violence at all...as you said yourself, Oliver...words need to be chosen more carefully, there are ‘nutters’ out there...these are not private, living room type conversations...

Absolutely right.
I agree with all that.

Words do carry weight, very much so.

[Oliver_W]

Oh I don't refute that his words could theoretically be used in the wrong way. But he clearly didn't mean them to be, he made the mistake of assuming everyone in the room had an IQ higher than a tub of yogurt.

[arista]

"Taking the axe" to something is a turn of phrase, despite the strong imagery it clearly means to "trim the fat", and misunderstandings are wilfull and/or influenced by a dislike of Farage himself.


Yes Trim The Fat

Perfect Oliver

[Kazanne]

Oh I don't refute that his words could theoretically be used in the wrong way. But he clearly didn't mean them to be, he made the mistake of assuming everyone in the room had an IQ higher than a tub of yogurt.

:joker::joker:Funny analogy and true :wavey:

[Ammi]

Oh I don't refute that his words could theoretically be used in the wrong way. But he clearly didn't mean them to be, he made the mistake of assuming everyone in the room had an IQ higher than a tub of yogurt.

...just referring to your post...’it’s influenced by a dislike of Farage’...it really isn’t, I’m thinking that you may have realised that I’m no huge Boris fan either...but I haven’t really engaged in any of the conversations about his use of words recently...with Farage though, he for me is becoming more a ‘serial offender’ with his choice of hostile phrases, which are including weaponry...and he’s also personally been subjected to milkshake attacks...and then afterward, condemned any use of ‘joke words or phrases’ that could be interpreted as incite full....the irony of him having just been investigated by our police force for his own hostile word choices...our very, very stretched police force atm, as well...

[bots]

whenever you want to take a cut to something, whether it be a film, a book, an organisation or whatever, it is customary to to say take a knife to it. If it were not a common saying it could be considered unusual and therefore threatening, but it's not.

The title of this thread is incredibly misleading, because Farage neither encouraged others to violence against the civil service or suggested he would be violent. And for the record, I detest Farage, i am certainly not one of his supporters.

[Twosugars]

:joker::joker:Funny analogy and true :wavey:

Oh the irony

[Kazanne]

After your irish disaster I wouldn't laugh at others being stupid

I will laugh at what I want,but thanks for your input .

[Kazanne]

whenever you want to take a cut to something, whether it be a film, a book, an organisation or whatever, it is customary to to say take a knife to it. If it were not a common saying it could be considered unusual and therefore threatening, but it's not.

The title of this thread is incredibly misleading, because Farage neither encouraged others to violence against the civil service or suggested he would be violent. And for the record, I detest Farage, i am certainly not one of his supporters.

Exactly like when BB was AXED we all knew it didn't mean Emma had murdered the producers:wavey::laugh:

[Twosugars]

Exactly like when BB was AXED we all knew it didn't mean Emma had murdered the producers:wavey::laugh:

It was a knife when it made the news :hehe:

[Ammi]

whenever you want to take a cut to something, whether it be a film, a book, an organisation or whatever, it is customary to to say take a knife to it. If it were not a common saying it could be considered unusual and therefore threatening, but it's not.

The title of this thread is incredibly misleading, because Farage neither encouraged others to violence against the civil service or suggested he would be violent. And for the record, I detest Farage, i am certainly not one of his supporters.

...he did use the wrong expression though...(..that’s something he said himself..)...there is no phrase so far as I’m aware that would be to take a knife to...things are axed...like a TV programme..?...it still wouldn’t have an axe ..(..as in referring to an actual weapon...)..taken to it, it would be axed/cut etc...no use of a specific weapon used or necessary...These phrases, how they are being manipulated to evoke images of hostility is IMO an intentional thing in some cases...possibly all cases...

[Ammi]

...’taking an axe/knife to Emma Willis’ and ‘BB show will be axed etc’...are absolutely not the same thing at all...

[Kazanne]

It was a knife when it made the news :hehe:

Are people really that stupid that they really didn't know what he meant ,Jeez.:facepalm:

[Oliver_W]

...he did use the wrong expression though...(..that’s something he said himself..)...there is no phrase so far as I’m aware that would be to take a knife to...things are axed...like a TV programme..?...it still wouldn’t have an axe ..(..as in referring to an actual weapon...)..taken to it, it would be axed/cut etc...no use of a specific weapon used or necessary...These phrases, how they are being manipulated to evoke images of hostility is IMO an intentional thing in some cases...possibly all cases...

He was talking about "pen pushers" so maybe the old phrase "the pen is mightier than the sword" crept into his head.

[Twosugars]

Are people really that stupid that they really didn't know what he meant ,Jeez.:facepalm:

You'd be surprised

Some people go through life not knowing there's independent Ireland

[Ammi]

...I won’t use the word stupid but it was very thoughtless indeed for him to use words that used valuable police time in an investigation.../...hopefully he’s learned from that...

[Kazanne]

You'd be surprised

Some people go through life thinking theres no independent Ireland

Well how stupid are they ? :shocked: :hehe:

[Twosugars]

Well how stupid are they ? :shocked: :hehe:

You tell me :shrug:

[Kazanne]

You tell me :shrug:

Well Im stupid,so I cant :laugh:

[Ammi]

He was talking about "pen pushers" so maybe the old phrase "the pen is mightier than the sword" crept into his head.

...my head is spinning with swords, knives and axes...he obviously didn’t mean what was said and that’s what has caused the police investigation and discussions etc...and it does fit with the recent controversies of phrases and words used by our politicians atm...it is just not wise in these heightened emotional times, to use any ‘hostile terms’ I feel...it’s unnecessary at best and dangerously careless at worst...especially as the people using them not only carry their own weight in terms of potential influences...but they also are very much, potential ‘targets’ themselves, of the ‘loonies’ out there...anyways, enough weaponry chat for a Sunday morning for me...you enjoy your day, Oliver..:love:..

[Twosugars]

Well Im stupid,so I cant :laugh:

I dont know you well enough to judge :)

But farage should get his phrases right before he speaks. Otherwise he looks a fool, a dangerous fool

[Oliver_W]

...you enjoy your day, Oliver..:love:..

You too :D